Yawn.

People are going to think what they want to think. To be honest, I don’t really care what the public thinks of me as long as I have my rights, which shouldn’t rely upon a majority vote anyway.

As for how people “perceive” us, how do people perceive the religious or otherwise anti-gay community based on the actions of some of their members, like psycho Fred Phelps + his gay-bashing Westboro Baptist Church.

The religious community is not a monolith + you can’t judge the whole by the few. The same goes for the LGBT community.

I expected the gay community to immediately publicly condemn those in their ranks that are promoting violence and vandalism against persons and property in the wake of prop 8. By not doing so it seems like they condone such actions – how is that in any way helping the perception of the gay community?

B.S.

Anyone who would stop supporting gay rights because of the actions of some persons who are (rightfully) pissed about the results of the Prop 8 vote was never a real ally in the first place.

It’s not exactly like the Pro-prop 8 folks were above lying + vilifying the gays in order to get what they wanted. So, I’m not going out of my way to apologize if some of us aren’t being passive + obedient in the aftermath of having our rights stripped away.

Must have been when there was some kind of glitch on my end with the comment box + me dragging my mouse kind of funny. It should read:

@seitan-on-a-stick:

“Mormons are just Morons with an upended ‘W’ in their Cult-like name.”

What about the Mormons who were on our side during this Prop 8 fight? And the gay mothers of Mormons who were against Prop 8? Or the gays who still consider themselves Mormons?

I don’t think we wanna go there, man.

I have no problem with calling out those who are against us, specifically, but it’s no better of us to dog all religions + all religious persons while getting indignant about our own being blindly discriminated against.

“Mormons are just Morons with an upended ‘W’ in their Cult-like name.”

What about the Mormons who were on our side during this Prop 8 fight? And the gay mothers of Mormons who were against Prop 8? Or the gays who still consider themselves Mormons?

I don’t think we wanna go there, man.

I have no problem with calling out those who are against us,@seitan-on-a-stick:

“Mormons are just Morons with an upended ‘W’ in their Cult-like name.”

What about the Mormons who were on our side during this Prop 8 fight? And the gay mothers of Mormons who were against Prop 8? Or the gays who still consider themselves Mormons?

I don’t think we wanna go there, man.

I have no problem with calling out those who are against us, specifically, but it’s no better of us to dog all religions + all religious persons while getting indignant about our own being blindly discriminated against.

Your partner, asa1973.

Of course you aren’t angry. You weren’t the one who had your civil rights stripped. I love how we’re all supposed to play nice now because reasonable people can disagree. Well, the fact is that either way that vote went, your life would not have been changed. Mine was changed drastically. You should be ashamed. Millions upon millions of dollars, and rather than doing something with it that Jesus would have done, instead of feeding people or housing people, you chose to play politics. You’re damn right I’m angry. And your leaders who stirred so much of this up are going to have to answer for it, either in this life, or perhaps the next.

Pixel105: Talk “Banking on Heaven” is the best example of biased bigot based propaganda, and your comment “No. 27″ is untrue. Momons are not polygamists. FLDS is not LDS, they are a sect of the mormon church that continues to practice polygamy. And for those of you twits that don’t understand the concept of what a “sect” is like the director of this movie, they are basically people that got kicked out of the church for continuing the to practice polygamy and so they formed thier own church claiming to believe in all the same things but just to include polygamy. If you want a real lesson in mormonism try going to one of their churches on sunday morning at 9am. Won’t be very interesting if you are evangelical but you will see just husband and wife.

You seem to be off to a riveting start.

Let’s see, gays against gays
blacks against gays
mormoms against gays
you against gays against mormoms
mormoms bashing gays on a gay site

Is this the vibe going for?

Mormons do not like being called Mormons. They like being called “Latter-day Saints.” The only reason they have Mormons.org is because another group was using it as a porn site, so they bought it from them to stop the name associated with their church from being used in that way and posted information about their church instead.

How do I know this? Because I was raised Mormon.

let the Mormons hear our RAGE in stereo from BOTH coasts

OUTRAGEOUS ACTIONS MERIT OUTRAGE

Also – to our mormon friendlies:
The fact that you don’t want to be hated for the actions of your church does not make you supporters of gay rights. SUPPORTING GAY RIGHTS makes you supporters of gay rights. Until you do, your words are bullshit.

So, basically, you’re getting your ass tapped in the debate + resort to more + more ugly replies like calling gayness “degenerate behavior”.

I have now lost what modicum of respect for you I might have had at the beginning of this discussion.

Fuck off.

EXACTLY the type of straights I would never allow anywhere near MY LIFE.

How about you two hets find a place, where someone wants you?

http://www.ksl.com/index.php?n.....ments=true

It’s probably a good thing to have your ideas challenged occasionally rather than only read stuff you agree with.

Is anything you post on this issue not going to be half-baked nonsense?

There has been plenty of discussion about voters from different ethnic groups supporting Prop 8, but the bottom line is that plenty of the money used to reach those voters in the first place with ads, etc. came from LDS members.

As for the rest of your post, it was all over the place. Suffice it to say, though, you’re wrong on about 90% of it + the majority voting to deny rights for the minority is not appropriate in our particular gov’t. Just read some of my earlier posts for the response to why. I don’t plan on reiterating it a zillion times for those who can’t be effed to scroll up a bit.

Perhaps your brother would be happier if he didn’t have his family blindly passing judgment against him + making prejudiced comments about his being gay as a “lifestyle”.

He’s one person. There are unhappy gay persons just as there are unhappy hetero ones (even ones with kids + spouses!). Shocker.

“If homosexuality isn’t a choice, then how do “y’all” explain the whole “queer by choice” faction? They actually consider it “homophobic” to use the “of course I was born this way, do you think I’d CHOOSE this?” line of reasoning.”

Don’t give a shit. They can tell any story they wish about why they’re gay but they don’t speak for me or the millions of other gays who didn’t choose to be attracted to the same sex.

Next…

“Aren’t you the one who wouldn’t read the LDS Proclamation on the Family?”

Apples + oranges. I didn’t come to a Mormon-themed blog + start ranting about what Mormons should + shouldn’t be able to do. You started posting nonsense about gays here + exposed your own ignorance.

As for that latter bit about gays + their kids, that’s not your place to judge. What is selfish, ironically enough, is people like yourself trying to horde the term marriage + its legal rights for yourselves because you “had it first”. Pfft.

The black’s of SoCal did not support gays for many reason but one of them was their lack of support for black issues in the past. That’s the feeling I get from reading black responses to prop 8 on other sites. If fact the LA Times reports the vote was 2 to 1 in support of the proposition among blacks. Nor did the latino neighborhoods in ELA give their endorsement to gays. Yet, not one of you commenting on this site has had the courage to condemn either group. Nor have you yet to picket a black church in South LA. It matters who voted against gays more than any money given to support the issue? It is not more likely that 52% of California’s voters said that is going a little to far, i.e. marriage within the same sex. The voters drew the land in the sand. Many of them belonging to no church at all. Yes, the mormons gave more but so what they didn’t defeate the issue people from all walks of life said no.
Lots of moral issue are decided by voters. Didn’t you know that going in.

The voters that voted in favor of prop 8 to justify their vote will draw closer to the Catholic and Mormon Churches if you keepup this silly haranguing.

Quit the cowardlyness get opening mad at everyone. Be a little consistant. Pull out your hair, jump up and down, cry day an night it wont’ change the vote. Decrying the Mormon people will not change their vote next time. You will have to change the minds of more voters that voted yes to eight. Relax….

I’m just as hetero as every man and woman in the world. I just don’t have SSA tendencies. My older brother in Manhatten does and acts upon those tendencies. I love him, but he’s not happy. I know it kills him when he sees me on holidays, etc with my kids because doesn’t have that joy that only comes from a mother and father rearing their children together. What he does in his personal life with other men is his decisions and he can live with it without my interference. But this I know; he has become a very sad person due to his SSA struggles. It actually breaks my heart to see him go through it because he used to be such a happy guy until he was about 27. He decided to act on the temptations of sexual sin outside of marriage and he lost something spiritually. He’s a brilliant guy, Columbia PHD student, but he is also on numerous anti-depressants and has been suicidal. This is my best friend older brother. Our family will never stop loving him but he knows we don’t agree with his lifestyle. He respects it and I respect him. The only difference between us is he has lost that spiritual light. I used to be the troublemaker kid and he was always on track. Now that has all changed as he’s been addicted to cocaine and been involved in who knows what else. It’s not a happy lifestyle. It’s not a lifestyle to bring innocent children into. That’s the problem prop8 supporters have with your cause.

Ahh, I see. I wondered if you were out to get Robert Redford and co just because he lives in Utah.

Learn about the people posting here? Aren’t you the one who wouldn’t read the LDS Proclamation on the Family? What you described to me about having kids with lesbians doesn’t sound very gay to me. It sounds like selfish adults who are more concerned about personal pleasure then rearing a child with a mother and a father.