If the new Scienotlogist is lucky, they will get out before they are broke, or become a babbling idiot like Cruise, fantasizing about an all-Scientology critic-free world, and having super powers over matter, energy, space and time. If you could read the stories these loons tell to each other about their “wins.”

Hubbard instructed these space cadets that when this planet is “cleared,” they are supposed to build a Space Org and begin clearing the rest of the galaxy. I wish they’d all blast off tomorrow, and take Cruise with them.

Hubbard was a psycho, but figured out a way to brainwash people, and for that, the brainwashed loons who get trapped in this scam come off as doubly cuckoo. Miscavige, Cruise and Travolta are all high school dropouts. Yet, Scientology has a front group to reform education using Hubbard Study Tech(R), and pushes it as THE WAY to learn. (Learn Hubbard crap, it just so happens.)

Scientology’s magical vitamin/sauna drug program, Narconon, costs a fortune. In this decade, you either have to have too much money on your hands, or insane, to sign their billion year contract to work for them. Scientology’s drug program works for a small percentage of people, for the same reason other drug programs work. They keep you busy, and keep you away from drugs.

If you read the history of Scientology, in the Dianetics days, gays were flocking to Hubbard to de-gay them, given the repressive climate at the time.

I don’t really care what these fried brain drug cases like Relkin or Terryeo have to say about their brainwash cult. Scientology is idiotic, totalitarian and scary.

Yeah, well they fucked my cousin up real good.

Kept hounding him until he had no money left, too.

I expect they’ll “help” anyone so long as their money is green.

But eh, it’s different for everyone. So in conclusion: Keep up the good work (:

I think I have at least a partial answer for you here. Many of scientology’s policies and claims are disgusting, hurtful, false and otherwise offensive. Thus they are mocked. When they are changed they can still be mocked if 1} the change is a smokescreen, 2} the change is to something even more absurd or 3) the change isn’t a change, just an obscure sentence Hubbard wrote later on that is being used to pretend that the policies have been altered. In my experience this is always coupled with an unwillingness of the scientologist to discuss his or her personal beliefs. For instance, if a Scientologist is asked, “Was Hubbard wrong in demeaning homosexuals in Dianetics and The Science of Survival” he will answer that his own personal view of Scientology does not have to be discussed with anyone. If he is clued into the smoke screen currently being used, that Hubbard’s earlier statements about sex have been withdrawn and he answers that Hubbard was initially wrong, he will have trouble with a supplementary question– Is there anything else in Dianetics or Science of Survival that is wrong? At this point the scientologist will seem even more like a zombie and should be criticized.

Of course if the scientologist really found fault with Hubbard it wouldn’t be a matter of that’s okay because “what is true is what is true for you”. It would be a trip to the ethics office. I know. I’ve been there.

How about it Nental Ife? Go on record on the internet. Tell us something that you have experienced in Hubbard’s writing that just isn’t so? Maybe the OT’s have no super powers. Maybe the clears have no perfect memory. Maybe Narconon doesn’t take people off drugs more frequently than placebo. Maybe Applied Scholastics is a poor rehash of already used educational procedures. Maybe upper levels scientologists are no more ethical than the average man on the street. Maybe Hubbard lied about his past. Maybe there aren’t 10,000,000 Scientologists and the numbers aren’t increasing. Tell us. If the people up above are ethical you have nothing to worry about. You have a right to express yourself. You even have a commission on human rights don’t you? Maybe the citizens commission on human rights is really just a scientology group that has nothing to do with human rights but is there to attack psychiatry. Come clean. You have nothing to fear but being placed in a condition of treason.

This was never more than a smokescreen, as was proven two years later, by their treatment of the first person declared “clear.”

“HCO ETHICS ORDER FROM: ETHICS OFFICER WW 29th December 1969 SUBJECT: JOHN McMASTER – WRIT OF EXPULSION

1. John McMaster, parishioner of 3, Carlisle Crescent, Durban, South Africa, is on this date duly expelled from the Church of Scientology for the following reason:

PLACING HIMSELF IN A POSITION OF BLACKMAIL WITH HOMOSEXUAL RELATIONS.”

most religions hate on the gays, so whether the cult of scientology hates on the gays as well doesn’t add that much more shit to the humongous pile.

now if you’ll excuse me, i’m going to go jump on my couch.

…and something about religion being for suckers?

Please explain why anyone would take somebody like this guy seriously. Why would anyone get worked up about anything he said or did? Or have I gotten him mixed up with P.T. Barnum?

p.s. Why does the title Dianetics make me think of thinner thighs in 30 days? Why? WHY!?

Artoo45 complains about a circa-1950 book saying circa-1950 things. And yet if a Scientologist suggests that the offending and now-outdated content of older Scn books have been superceded by later policies, then haters like Artoo45 say mocking nonsense about “MissCabbage” altering LRH’s texts.

So if the text is changed, they mock Scientology. And if the text ISN’T changed, they mock Scientology.

Clearly, mocking Scientology is all they really care about, not the truth. Blind stupid hatred doesn’t get much blinder. Or stupider.

Nental Ife
Read this book . . .

http://www.amazon.com/Prescrip.....038;sr=8-1

. . . if you’re allowed to.

Now if only more people would also stand up against the anti-Scientology bigots.

zeitgeistmovie.com

http://vimeo.com/1227000

without the music of course.

Thanks I haven’t read the statements of Keith Relkin before. Were Hubbards vicious statements towards homosexuals rules, regulations or policies? Were they research or opinion? Were they worse than yelling “Faggot”. Does Kieth Relkin realize that although things have gone well for him up to this point they have not gone so well for others simply because they are homosexual? Has he himself done any research into the actions of the cult against other homosexuals? He mentions that the IRS calls Scientology a religion but does he know that the supreme courst of the United States says that it is not a religion? Similarly with Britain, France, Germany, Canada, Belgium, Israel, Spain and many other states. I read Keith Relkin’s statements and I am glad, and not surprised that Scientology has given him an approach to solve many of his problems. He declines to say that it is making him aware of hundreds of other problems that he didn’t even know he had. It continues to make me think that Scientology wants his money and will continue to take it just as long as he will continue to give it. But, yes, you have answered Bstewart23 and showed us one (and I assume the probability of many more) Scientologists who are out.

Still waiting.

“That’s the trick that anti-Scientology crusaders use: they try to make people believe that modern Scientologists believe that every word that ever came from Hubbard’s mouth was infallible and unchangeable (even by himself).”

1. Not much changing now that Hubbard’s been dead, save for DM squirreling the tech and deleting certain bits of ol’ L. Ron’s homophobic and racist rants in an attempt to make it more palatable to today’s sucker. HOWEVER, Hubbard’s words may not be changed. It’s a high crime, called Squirreling.
Haven’t you even read your own doctrines? All the SPs here seem better informed than you, Sonny!

Where’re your cites? Do you think we’ll just take the word of a Scientologist because you claim to be the “most ethical people on the planet?” If there is documentation to back up your assertion, by all means, post it and change some minds. Otherwise, you’re just resorting to anecdotal “evidence,” which only a fool would swallow.
Oops, sorry, Sonnyliston. Didn’t mean to hurt your feelings.

Deal with my post Red. I was there. I saw it. I read it in the Hubbard books. I am not calling things facts that I saw, maybe once, on an internet posting.

True is not what is true for you. True is the thing left over after all the prejudices are examined. Just because Hubbard said it, doesn’t mean it makes any sense either.

I’m not going to waste my time debating reality with you because you truly are a delusional and brainwashed cultist who believes whatever garbage Scientology tells you to. Nobody in Anonymous is against religion or any kind of belief system – except when those beliefs are used to destroy, hurt, deceive, and limit the freedom and beliefs of others for their own purposes – which is exactly what Scientology does and continues to do every day in Canada.

“What’s true, is true for you” is the kind of dangerous circular logic that Scientology uses on it’s own members to get them to justify and believe *ANYTHING* including the promotion of hatred against the LGBT community to an unsuspecting public. And in Canada at least, it’s going to stop.

That was less than a year ago! Scientology is *still* homophobic and *still* thinks gays and other “deviants” should be cured, quarantined, or killed.

gb2 gaia

Actually there are many people in Anonymous with what LRH would call “alternate” lifestyles. Just because you don’t see them doesn’t mean they’re not there.

Centurion’s childish and sadistic glee at attacking individual citizens for their religious beliefs seems pretty retarded as well. These immature sociopaths don’t really care about GLBT rights at all, they’re just using any weapon they can find to bash Scientology with.

And for the record, L. Ron Hubbard is NOT worshipped in Scientology and has never been given an elevated status of messiah. He said himself that he is only a man. He also said that what is true is what is true for you, and if it isn’t true for you, then it isn’t true, and that includes Scientology even though it IS Scientology.

Well, the deal is that their threats are not hollow ones. For example, one of our local protesters had his wife and child followed into Safeway, and then tailed for hours by car. They will hire private investigators to watch you, and they will try to make your life hell if they know who you are.

As for sonnyliston, he claims that Hubbard changed his mind, but only lists the Tone Scale as an example. He doesn’t link to a new one, or explain what the new stance of the Church is. It’s flat out denial, denial and more denial, fouled with the unmistakable stench of bullshit.

What about Dianetcs, sonnyliston? Why are the quotes about LGBT people still in there if Hubbard changed his mind?

BTW, “NAMBLA” members also protest that pedophilia is classed as a disorder. If there were enough of them, they’d get the DSM changed just like gays did. But playing “Emperor’s New Clothes” doesn’t change reality or biological logic.

2. In regards to harassment: If a member of Anonymous doing it to a Scientologist would lead to them getting arrested by the police, then it’s still harassment/assault when a Scientologist does it to an Anon, legally speaking.

I’m not arguing that ORGANIZED religion hasn’t created many problems, including and very importantly genocide. It has. But it’s not cause of most of what is wrong in the world.