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The View co-host simply states, “I don’t think anything predated Christians”. She’s absolutely flabbergasted when Whoopi and Joy back say otherwise. Kate Walsh just sits in quiet disbelief.
What exactly does Sherri Shepherd bring to “The View” besides ignorance?
Sherri has a religious ignorance. Her beliefs and understandings come from the Holy Bible. In her understanding, the bible came first and there were . . . okay, wait. Jesus did not come first. Sherri did you forget about the Old Testament. There were Jews, Philistines, Gentiles, Romans, etc. The ideals christianity started in the New Testament surrounding the events right before and after Jesus’ birth.
Damn. I was trying to support Sherri, but I can’t help her.
Much like Elisabeth, Sherri is out of her league! Although, I do understand what she was saying.
P.S. I think she has a 5 year contract – ugh!
Geez, even Elisabeth isn’t THIS stupid. Though, I actually worked with an old-skool “born-again” (remember that term?) back in the early 90s who believed with all his poor heart and soul that Jesus was a Christian. Even when you pointed out that he was crucified for claiming to be “King of the Jews” he stuck to his guns. I’m all for believing what one wants, but ignorance just doesn’t fly. Learn your facts before making such innane pronouncements, folks!
She makes Elisabeth look like Einstein. The really sad thing is, there are many Christians out there who are just this dumb (lots who aren’t, of course).
Whoooo isssss thisssss woman?
Are all USA TV presenters this stupid? God save us in UK from such idiocy.
When one doesn’t know anything, on any topic of substance, can embarrassing oneself be far behind?
Why is she on the air you ask ? Because Baba Wawa did a research demographic and saw that a dumb black woman would appeal to the women at home who spend the day eating HoHos and getting fat…SHERRI IS PERFECT !! OH AND SHE MAKES THE IGNORANT REPUBLIC..T LOOK ALMOST NOT DUMB..!
God bless her dim-witted little heart! When is Joy going to smack her upside the head for being a dumbass?!
GOP dumbing down of America works. Here’s proof.
When Sherri was clueless recently in a discussion about Anita Hill and Justice Thomas, she was clueless and didn’t remember the national uproar back during the confirmation hearing. She said she was a young girl at the time and not interested in current events. However, the 40 year old Shepherd was 24 in 1991! Still an airhead!
Kate Walsh is the best. I love when Sherri says, “I don’t think anything predates Christians,” and Kate says, “Are you kidding?” Run Kate…run. You are too good for that show.
This goes to show that anyone can get away with saying the most outrageous things as long as they infuse religion into it. Stop using religion as a sheild. Sherri is an idiot and an offensive one at that.
Can you imagine the uproar if Rosie had said this? It would be all over the place.
Sherri is proof positive that fundamentalist religion makes you a dumbass. Nothing predates Jesus? Not sure if the Earth is flat or round? She is a moronic, idiotic, stupid, ignorant dipshit.
Sherri is the perfect hostess to reflect the stupidity of the average American idiot. She’s a moron, pure and simple. This is what happens you embrace the ignorant slave master’s religion!!!
Sherri is the perfect hostess to reflect the stupidity of the average American idiot. She’s a moron, pure and simple. This is what happens you embrace the ignorant slave master’s religion!!! You are kept stupid and clueless like a sheep.
Sherri would be the perfect girlfriend. World is flat or round? Nothing Predates the Christians? Put this in your mouth and suck on it, it will cure the common cold. Don’t forget to swallow!
Sherri is correct in her statement. The WORLD began with God. Jesus is God…
Amen to that. I’l be clearing my cookies after visiting THIS website.
I cannot understand why people watch this garbage. Doesn’t really matter who the ig-no-ra-mus of the day is.
Jamie, Sherri said nothing predates Christianity… that is a very different claim then saying nothing predates God… Nice try at spin… Oh, and she also referred to folk being thrown to the lions… if I’m not mistaken, those were not Christians, they were Jews. Sherri is an idiot.
Let’s be clear here. Sherri’s stupidity predated her belief in Christ. It is unfortunate that Christians got stuck with her as a predominant spokesperson. The saddest thing is that this is a television show that maintains viewership. Sherri is nothing more than a representative of the shallowest end of the human gene pool. Sad.
Jamie you are right, Jesus is God and predates all. If you read the old testament there are mysterious individuals who appears for short period of time, usually explained as angels but other times not. Many believe on the other times it was Jesus coming down (yes, before he was born as a man). This can be very confusing to someone who has not studied the religion but I highly doubt this was the path she was going down. She was talking about Christians pre-dating everything, which Jesus as Jewish born man was the first Christian by being baptised by John the baptist and fulling the scriptures as the Christ, all well after the Greek time frame they were talking about. She is just a moron.
On the other hand they found a perfect replacement for Rosie; ignorant and uneducated. She will probably bring viewers in to see what dumb things will come out of her mouth next.
Sherry, may have her time line wrong as far as when Christ Followers were first called Christians.
But according to God’s Holy Scripture, Christ is Supreme and has existed from the beginning of time.
Colossians 1:15-20 NIV. 15 “He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. 16 For by him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things were created by him and for him. He is before all things, and in him all things hold together. 18 And he is the head of the body, the church; he is the beginning and the firstborn from among the dead, so that in everything he might have the supremacy. 19 For God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in him, and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether things on earth or things in heaven, by making peace through his blood, shed on the cross.”
That’s not what she meant and you know it!
Wow! That’s all I can say. Please don’t think all Christians are ignorant sheep because of what Sherri said.
Some people just don’t have a filtering mechanism between their brain and mouth.
“Whoooo isssss thisssss woman?
Are all USA TV presenters this stupid? God save us in UK from such idiocy.
That’s a pretty idiotic and ignorant comment as well, if I’ve ever read one.
Holy crap. That’s just ridiculous.
It’s funny how everybody is having a debate on what the bible says. The bible is man-made fiction so it can say anything. Mix a bit of factual history within the text and you have the basis of a religion.
Hate to break this to y’all but nobody knows if there is a god. You can have faith that there is a god because your mom taught you to but that doesn’t make it so.
Sherry is just another ignorant soul who’s all excited about her new found religion but doesn’t have the theocratic knowledge to back up her feelings. Ignorance is bliss but the fact that she doesn’t know if the world is flat or round sure magnifies how stupid she is. That goes beyond mere ignorance, it’s more like mentally challenged and for that you almost have to feel sorry for her (and Barbara Walters for hiring her).
I understand what she is saying, in that God and Jesus are the same..(the father, son and holy spirit) Maybe that is what she meant. Or maybe she meant religion came before Romans.. After all Adam and Eve were religous even after they sinned.
I happened upon the link to this story on a news website. I watched the u-tube clip and I read all the above comments. I do not have TV in my home and I am increasingly pleased with that decision. I am not an atheist by any stretch but I do not care for organized religion because I am offended by the middleman. That said, I feel sorry for the woman and I regret having wasted my time reading most of the comments above.
What I find funny, some dolt actually tried to blame her stupidity on the GOP. See post #11 –
Just coz she’s stupid doesn’t mean she’s a bad person or that she should not be on TV……saying that she is beginning to grate on my nerves. I think Whoppi is trying really hard to ‘help’ her.
Did anyones notice that she said “the GREEKS were throwing the Christians to the lions” … it was the ROMANS dumdum!
Any true Christian knows what Sherry is talking about. Adam and Eve were looking to the Savior to lead them out of sin after they ate the apple in Genesis. Anyone who truly studies the bible knows that God in Hebrew refers to Three Persons(Father, Son, and Holy Spirit). Jesus is included in that description if you aren’t aware of it. All throughout the Old Testament Jesus in referred to in only ways that you would know if you truly looked into it. You people who don’t read the bible and know anything about it please stop trying to put your two sense in when you don’t know what you are saying. I’m really tired of the liberal media trying to make every one who is a christian look stupid!!!!
Yak what is funny is people who never really cracked the Bible to read from it are usually the ones trying to say what is inside of it…Talk about ignorance. I suggest to those people try reading it, you’ll be taken back on how everything in the Bible lines up with history, including the order of creation of thing (earth, plants, animals, man…). It is funny how scientists for decades have tried to disprove even one simple fact in the Bible but can not, not one. For if you can prove one thing false in the Bible then you’d prove the whole book wrong. See the Bible is the word of God written down by man, not a man made story and one of the traits of God is honest (can not lie), therefore if the Bible is false he would have lied and therefore the whole Bible would be false. There are many things in the Bible you can not prove true (we do not know how to prove it), but proving that something is true, is complete different then disproving something. Example, if no man alive today can jump 10 feet straight up in the air, does that mean no man ever in history of mankind could make this jump, not one person…No does not mean it and would be silly to think it could not have happened. Now there is a possibility there is no God at all, but then some of the smartest people ever born on this planet were alive 4,000 to 2,000 years ago, youâ€™d have to be very smart to write such a book, that people could not disprove. No other religion Iâ€™ve read or study can even come close to the logic and solidness of the Bible. So, if there is a God, I believe the Bible has his words correct.
Now I will agree with you, Sherry is just ignorant. That much we all can agree on and prove.
People ..people…people, come on now…”The View”
is a Talk/Entertainment program…we can not allow such fallacy to upset us. Too bad they are exploiting ignorance and ethnicity all in the name of economics for their entertainment station.
I guess all comes down to $$ and no one is exempt.
Who really cares..She is not the only “dumb” person who is on a TV..Just look at all the Reality Shows! Some people are making lots of money being dumb..Hum maybe she is not so dumb after all, people are watching and she is far smarter the Rosie in many ways!
Give her a break..She is an example of over crowded schools and under paid teachers passing students without educating them..
She has done pretty well for herself. She has been on several TV shows and now this gig..
Amen Paul..Couldn’t have said it any better
Elisabeth is the only one on that show with any common sense…but I never thought it would get this bad. Does anyone really enjoy watching these bitter hags complain and force their liberal Democrat views on everyone?
Tammy H, in what way is this ignoramus “far smarter than Rosie” in ANY way?
Come on Jay! Rosie is a complete dumbass!! And just another train-wreck waiting to take Britney’s place
Paul said: “I suggest to those people try reading it, youâ€™ll be taken back on how everything in the Bible lines up with history, including the order of creation of thing (earth, plants, animals, manâ€¦).”
Hate to break it to you, but the Biblical order of creation does not line up with history. Your list conveniently ignored that, according to the Bible, the Sun, moon, and stars (4th day) were created after plants (3rd day). You may want to “crack open” that Bible of yours.
I didn’t think they made them that dumb !!
She blow her chance to make a difference on the view, she blow her chance to be on the Price is Right, she says 911 was a Conspiracy.. and she claims to have broken her own bones for attention..need I say more??
Hahaha! I never watch this show because I work at 7am. Perhaps, I should get a tv in my office just for the entertainment value? She apparently forgot all about the Old Testament….”Eh, screw those old folks. Let’s start with the book of Matthew!”
Actually Paul is okay. The first act in the creative order was heaven and earth, then light that sustained the plant life for the one day that was followed by the creation of the celestial bodies. The Hebrew word yawm is a literal evening morning or day. Way to go Paul.
I know what the Bible says. It is not the same as what science tells us. Or are you suggesting that the science books say that there was plant life on earth before the existence of the sun, moon, and stars?
She does sound confused. Her staunch belief in christianity is admirable. However, belief does not necessarily equal truth. For those who believe that the bible is the ‘word of god’, again admirable, but why did those men in past take the ‘word of god’ and edit it. The bible has seen many passages cut from it by man. Thus if god is infallible and the bible is the â€˜truthful word of godâ€™ and the bible does not have all it’s sections due to the men who put it together, does that mean that god is fallible also? I know that this will rouse many christians to scream and holler. I donâ€™t denigrate your belief; I do however have my own belief in god that has nothing to do with christianity. Yes I have studied the bible, the torah, the koran, the upanishads and many other treaties on mans belief. I also believe that god has written his word for all mankind to see. It is written in the air, the earth, the plants and animals that make up this world and everything in it. I hope that some day we can all respect each other and live in this world with respect to the gifts god has given us. Instead of living in this world as if god gave us a place to trash and destroy. If more people would look to how to change this world for the better instead of destroying each other we may actually make this world a place that god would want to visit.
As a believer in the Biblical creation account, you know that I believe that modern science is opposed to scripture. The point that I am making is that the light that God created on day one was sufficient to facilitate the photosynthesis process for one day and ensure the survival of the plants world wide. To answer your question of if it should be included in science text books, I would say teach both views and let the parents decide what is best for their children. Don’t force evolution down our throats. The Bible is not a book about science, but I do believe that when it speaks of science it is accurate. E.G. the hydrologic process spoken of in Job or the sphere of the earth in Isaiah. Peace.
To the literalists out there: I’m always curious how fundamentalists define “The Bible.” It was compiled from multiple sources, by Catholic Councils that kept copious notes on what texts they used, what they chose to keep, and what they threw out. There is no “original Hebrew text.” There are various translations. The Greek translation is actually older than our oldest surviving Hebrew versions. Other translations continue to be discovered.
So even a simple story like David’s contains multiple versions of the same events, some from Judah, some from Israel, all contradictory. Some sources stress the Hebrew’s Abrahamic roots never mention the Exodus. Some stress the Exodus and mention Abraham only in passing. The Bible is a compilation of all these stories.
If you believe that the Bible was inspired by God there’s no problem here. It’s not meant to be the literal truth. If you believe it’s the literal truth handed down direct than you’re a fool who’s ignoring known history. Spend some time reading you’re own damn book instead of asking us to. The whole book, mind you, and not select passages.
Finally, science is a METHOD OF OBSERVATION. It is independent of and not related to religion.
In dispensationalism, we are told that the law of God is written on the hearts of every man. I believe in a literal fall from grace with Adam and Eve, that resulted in a universal sin nature. In terms of the authenticity of the canon of scripture we have today, every Jewish document recognized by the orthodox community communicates the same message. A savior will come into the world to redeem mankind and he will be sent from God. Nothing recognized by the individuals God used to pen the scriptures go contrary to that truth. Hope that helps Les. Make it a great one.
Can you tell us what sources you are refering to? Every Jewish community before the Exodus, during the period of the Judges, the kings, exile, and post exile mention that Abraham was the progenitor of their people group. Help me and I’ll look into that. Thanks, peace.
“To answer your question of if it should be included in science text books, I would say teach both views and let the parents decide what is best for their children.”
That wasn’t my question. My question was, do science books teach Biblical creation chronology? They do not, which you alluded to in the first part of your post. As far as teaching both, feel free to teach Biblical creation in private schools or home schools, but leave it out of public schools. Stick with science there, not theology.
Paul I question your logic and your arguments are false on many levels but I don’t have the time or inclination to debate you.
Here is some light reading for you. If you are looking to have things disproved, this is a good start. Hopefully you are curious to read what people far more learned than I have to say about your religion and religion in general.
Richard Dawkins – “The God Delusion”
Christopher Hitchens – “God is Not Great: How Religion Poisons Everything”
Sam Harris – “The End of Faith: Religion, Terror, and the Future of Reason”
Sam Harris – “Letter to a Christian Nation”
My bad. I misunderstood your question. No, science does not teach the chronology of creation in secular texts. In terms of where creation should be taught, I do believe that many Bible believing Christians (as well as atheist and a host of other religions) pay property taxes that support the public schools. If we are going to be fair, teach both views is my position. After all, evolution is only a theory and not recognized as solid science by all in the scientific community. Peace.
I’ll bet she will be voting for Hillary or maybe Obama….. Hmmmmmm……. Ignorance is bliss.
The Council of Nicaea, 4th Century, determined that Christ and God were one, and condemned numerous other interpretations of scripture as heresy. Before this there were many theories as to their relationship (was Jesus created by God? Was he of similar substance? Did he exist from the beginning? Was he an emanation of godhead, part of a continuum that went godhead-Yahweh-Jesus-angels & on down to man? etc. All had followers among early Christians)
The Septuagint is the Greek translation of Hebrew text, written sometime in the first couple centuries AD. The early Church used this. Some traditions still do. Protestants toss out some of the books.
The Vulgate is a Latin translation from Hebrew by Jerome, 500 (I need to check that date). It became the dominant Roman Catholic text a few centuries later. The Hebrew version he used is lost.
The Masoretic Texts are the Hebrew version, written about 1500 years ago. The Aleppo Codex is the oldest surviving Hebrew version of the bible, written in the 900’s AD. This is the version the Protestants base their translation on. Some modern Catholic bibles also are based on this.
The Qu’ran is the Arabic version, written by Muhammed. It traces the same history as the Old Testament, and part of the New.
Sa ll we have are translations and versions of earlier texts, and they all differ. Recent discoveries (i.e. Dead Sea Scrolls, the Book of Judas, some Coptic gospels) offer variations that differ from all three. There are also numerous texts that the Roman Catholic church and, later, Luther, rejected because they didn’t fit their theologies.
So when people tell me “The Bible Says this …” I have to ask: who’s Bible? The message might be similar, but the details are not.
For old testament history, check out Robert Alter or Karen Armstrong. Both explore the different traditions that later became the written text.
Notice how the bible “scholars” tried to take over the comments? And very few of them go to the original post and point out that this woman- and most “believers” are sadly misinformed and not very bright. Well, I should say their religion has encouraged them not to think. The fact that they let this woman have a voice on TV is kind of sad and it does make me think the network wants to see an ignorantchristian show how dumb they can be.
YAK I see why you dont want to debate Paul, its tough to debate somebody whos right. By the way it takes just as much faith to believe that God doesnt exist than to believe that he does.
This is probably beating a dead horse, but in regards to the comment about the Bible always lining up with history. . . there’s a part in the Bible that talks about the sun stopping in the sky for a day. Which is impossible, as that would mean that the earth stopped rotating on it’s axis.
And that’s not to mention that in Genesis, whales somehow were created before ALL land creatures.
Oh, and there’s no historical record of Nazareth being a city during the time when it’s thought Jesus might have lived.
All this being said, one of the first words out of this woman’s mouth said that Christians have ALWAYS been around. Not God, not Jesus, but Christians. Mortal followers of Christ who somehow knew of his existence centuries before he supposedly became mortal. . . THAT’S the ignorance that is pissing people off.
Zac, nobody is right in an argument like this because, I repeat myself, nobody knows if there is a god. Even Paul agrees with that as evidenced by this quote from his earlier post “Now there is a possibility there is no God at all”.
It is a fruitless debate that nobody can win. I agree with your last statement though and that’s why I don’t consider myself an atheist. I’m an agnostic. Saying there is no god is as ridiculous a statement as saying there is one.
Cheap shot by Babs and crew to make ‘chritianity’ and ‘conservatism’ look foolish, by hiring someone obviously uneducated… I stumbled on this site looking through news articles…I was actually surprised to find that “The View” was still wasting airtime. And even ‘dumber’ people are on this site arguing about it!
Get a life…and Yak…get some better reading materials!!! forgodsake…Hitchens!!!yawn!
I think I know what she was TRYING to say…but she IS a little confused…
She was trying to say that Jesus came first because the Bible says “In the beginning was the Word, the Word was with God, and the Word was God,” so the Word came down and was born a Jesus. But she’s mixed up, because just because the Word was already around (the Word isn’t human-flesh yet, and therefore not “Jesus” yet) doesn’t mean there was a such thing as a “Christian” since the Christ hadn’t come yet.
Wow, that exchange required a special kinda stupid. Whoopi and Joy threw her a lifeline and she just kicked it away.
Between the world might be flat comment and this, she needs to go. She makes Star Jones look like a genius.
At least when Rosie had a rant, it had a certain level of logic to it. Sherri is just a moron.
Oh, it hurts! Stupidity lurks around every corner. This doesn’t even qualify as ignorance. This is just flat out stupid. This is what happens when people rely on religious books for their “facts” and history instead of, well…FACTS AND HISTORY. Put the holy books down and pick up a history book! You’ll be AMAZED at how much more sense the world will make. It hurts so much.
Not to support this woman, but she is right. Jesus was quite alive prior to being born of the virgin Mary in 4BC. To quote Jesus Christ, Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am. John 8:58
But this woman is still an ignoramus…
Please don’t allow this missing link to be the poster child for Christianity. Read the Bible if you want to know anything about what Christians are supposed to believe. The Bible NEVER gets equal air time. They always pick the weirdest of the weird to negate the efficacy of the truth.
Ye MUST be born again – no matter what your college professor told you.
You’ll soon see.
Tis only one life, T’will soon be past
Only what’s done for Christ will last!
How does Sherri explain Jesus being a “JEW”!!!!
Yak, I believe in Jesus Christ, I believe in God’s word, The Bible. All I can say is one day you too will believe, hopefully it isn’t too late.
I will be praying for you.
Jesus was a jew.. #71
He was born of a Jewish mother, in Galilee, a Jewish part of the world.
Jesus was a myth just like the Roman/Greek gods. He was a sun god and was worshipped as such. He was the “light of the world”, the “bright and morning star”, heck he even had HIS OWN star that the wise men supposedly followed. It is all astrotheology. ;)
A couple of posters have stated that what Sherry meant was the Holy Trinity including Jesus and it does, that is a fact. But she said Christianity predates everything, not just Jesus being in the trinity. There were no christians until after Christ died. Jeasus was in fact a Jew. So that was just ignoance at it’s best.
There were no Christians before Jesus was born to this earth period. Before Christ there was the Jewish religion, Druidism, the Greek and Roman Gods. Paganism was here in full swing before Christ was born to “save” us from following false gods and not his father. She needs to take a theology class or something to smarten her up a bit, because she was just plain wrong in her statements. This is deffinitly a case of both feet shoved in her mouth!
Its sad…and very scary….oh well…while it shows a total lack of understanding history…or even any real biblical timeline…or knowing the diff between Roman and Greek cultures…I still find it scary when we (Americans) cant pick out the US on a globe or cant point to Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan, etc. But, if we do take a test on which star in currently in or out of rehab i think we will all do fine :-)
We like to watch funny people and shocking people. There is a reason our TV shows are not filled with PHDs or just “smartish” people in general (yes i know thats not a word) I am just impressed with the fact they mentioned philosophy and said “Epicirus” on TV. I am sure most people would have thought Epicurus had something to do with a Mani-Pedi.
reply to no. 75 me:
There are full Roman records of Jesus Christ (full for that time period): His trial, charges, punishment, and then crucified. There is no doubt in any decent historian of this time period to know a man named Jesus lived the life stated in the Bibleâ€¦that is were he lived, trails and how he died. Details beyond that are not list, because they do not bring a man up on charges for rising from the dead.
So, a man named Jesus as listed in the Bible was very real at one point in time. There is really only one question that can not be proved or disproved; Was Jesus really who he claimed to be, the son of God, the Christ, savior of man kind? That is were the Christian faith comes in for most people.
There are no “full Roman records of Jesus Christ.” What on earth are you talking about?
What I want to know is when are they going to take this stupid show off the air once and for all? Everyone shows their ignorance on the show, the hosts, the guests, their guest hosts. Come on, take it off. Its a horrible show that shows disrespect for anyone who disagrees with their views. Total leftist hypocracy. I have never watched this show, and never will, The only time I’ve seen it is when switching channels and when they do something really stupid (example: Rosie’s continued bullying and tirades) and it gets on the news. Again, I ask, when are the powers that be take this show off? They have taken better shows and just yanked them off the air, why not this one? This show is a waste of air time and energy. If celebrities want to continue wanting everyone to know how intelligent they think they are, they should cancel this show, because whenever they come on, they show how ignorant they all are.
This is to Charly whos says dumbing down was thanks to the GOP. Sorry, the Democrats are equally responsible for dumbing down, too, so don’t try blaming it on the GOPS. Aren’t the Democrats supposed to be the party for the downtrodden, so wouldn’t they be resposnsible mostly for the dumbing down of the education system. And for that matter, look what the Democrats are trying to do now, by letting illegal aliens stay in this country and good o’l Nancy Pelosi is trying to pass a bill that allows groups such as the Salvation Army and others to be sued because they speak English. Things that make you go hhmmm. So do a little research before you start spouting off.
Maybe she did not know who did what when and when it occurred. Who hasn’t been confused at one time or another. Her confusion just happened to be played out on TV. Many of us need to study more about God and who he was. History does not change as far as which civilizations came first and I am sure she wasn’t trying to rewrite history. I understand what she meant by “nothing predates” Jesus has always been around. It is of no consequence when the terminology of “christians came about, only that we are followers of Christ. We need to learn more of Christ and follow his example of being tolerant of others as he is towards us.
Yes there are records of this in Romian documents:
CORNELIUS TACITUS (55 – 120 A.D.) Tacitus was a 1st and 2nd century Roman historian who lived through the reigns of over half a dozen Roman emperors. Considered one of the greatest historians of ancient Rome, Tacitus verifies the Biblical account of Jesus’ execution at the hands of Pontius Pilate who governed Judea from
26-36 A.D. during the reign of Tiberius.
It’s well documented in many place but above is just one… By the way no you will not see it as Jesus Christ. Christ is what he is, not his name.
I am well aware of the passage from Tacitus, however, this is not anywhere close to “full Roman records of Jesus Christ” as you claim. Tacitus wasn’t even born until more than 20 years after the alleged death of Jesus, and wrote the passage around AD 115. The only mention he makes is below:
“Consequently, to get rid of the report, Nero fastened the guilt and inflicted the most exquisite tortures on a class hated for their abominations, called Christians by the populace. Christus, from whom the name had its origin, suffered the extreme penalty during the reign of Tiberius at the hands of one of our procurators, Pontius Pilatus, and a most mischievous superstition, thus checked for the moment, again broke out not only in Judaea, the first source of the evil, but even in Rome, where all things hideous and shameful from every part of the world find their centre and become popular.”
Brett, the rest of my quote was “full for that time period” and there are way too many records of his “Jesus” being on earth to say he never was…Oh, just as a thought I would bet more people wrote about the life of Hitler that were born after his death then that wrote about him that were born before his death. So, does that make them non-creaditable?
Your quote from Tacitus reads different then ones I read in the past….remember 95% of the people could not read during this time frame, so why would so many write about someone who did not walk among us at least at one point you’d think one of them would say, he was not really…the only thing you will see is them saying he was not the son of God, they do not say he did not walk among us…
Another person is:
FLAVIUS JOSEPHUS (37 – 100 A.D.) Josephus was a first century pharisee and historian of both priestly and royal ancestry who provided important insight into first-century Judaism. Josephus was born only three years after the crucifixion of Jesus, making him a credible witness to the historicity of Jesus.
“Now there was about this time Jesus, a wise man, if it be lawful to call him a man, for he was a doer of wonderful works, a teacher of such men as receive the truth with pleasure. He drew over to him both many of the Jews and many of the Gentiles. He was the Christ, and when Pilate, at the suggestion of the principal men among us, had condemned him to the cross, those that loved him at the first did not forsake him. For he
appeared to them alive again the third day. As the divine prophets had foretold these and ten thousand other wonderful things concerning him. And the tribes of Christians so named from him are not extinct at this day.”
Antiquities XVIII, 3:2
SHERRI WAS ABSOLUTELY RIGHT, ACCORDING TO THE BIBLE, JESUS IS THE SON OF GOD THEREFORE IF IN THE BEGINNING GOD MADE THE HEAVENS AND THE EARTH THEN GOD IS THE BEGINING; THE ALPHA & THE OMEGA JESUS WAS SENT DOWN BY GOD. MAN CREATED religion, THERE ARE SO MANY DIFFERENT TYPES OF RELIGION TODAY, JUST IN CHRISTIANITY ALONE THERE ARE CATHOLICS,BAPTISTS, LUTHERANS, METHODISTS, PROTESTANTS, JEHOVAHS WITNESSES, SEVENTH DAY ADVENTISTS AND THE LATTER DAY SAINTS ALL OF THEM CLAIM TO BE CHRIST FOLLOWERS ALL OF THEM CLAIM TO BELIEVE IN THE BIBLE WHICH IS THE WORD OF GOD WHY SO MANY DIFFERNT NAMES.???? READ YOUR HISTORY BOOKS!!! IT WAS THE LEADERS THAT DECIDED TO LABEL THE PEOPLE THAT BELIEVED IN JESUS CHRIST AS THE SON OF GOD AND THEIR PERSONAL LORD AND SAVIOUR AFTER HE WALKED THE EARTH AND PERFORMED ALL OF THESE MIRACLES AFTER THE ROMANS CRUCIFIED HIM I DONT HAVE THE EXACT TIME LINE THEN THEY THE LEADERS DECIDED TO CALL THESE PEOPLE “CHRISTIANS” SO JUST BECAUSE THE NAME “CHRISTIAN “DIDNT EXIST DOES THAT MEAN BELIEVERS IN THE “TRUE & LIVING GOD” DIDNT UNTIL AFTER CHRIST’S DEATH…GOD FORBID PEOPLE, WHERE IS COMMON SENSE
*** THE ONLY IGNORANT DUMB PEOPLE ARE THOSE WHO ARE NOT AWARE OF THE TRUTH, NOT SHERRI, SHE MAY NOT HAVE BEEN ABLE TO BREAK IT DOWN BECAUSE YOU ALL!! JUMPED DOWN HER THROAT, BUT SHE WAS ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. IN THE BEGINING WAS THE WORD AND THE WORD WAS WITH GOD AND THE WORD WAS GOD!!!! ST. JOHN CHP 1…CHP 3 ALL THINGS WERE MADE BY HIM. JESUS WAS SENT BY GOD, ST. JOHN3:16 FOR GOD SO LOVED THE WORLD THAT HE GAVE HIS ONLY BEGOTTEN SON THAT WHOSOEVER BELIEVETH IN HIM SHOULD NOT PERISH, BUT HAVE ETERNAL LIFE. HIS NAME IS JESUS SO HOW COULD JESUS NOT HAVE BEEN BEFORE ALL OTHER!! ALL THE PROPHETS IN THE BIBLE REFER TO JESUS AS BEING OUR LORD & SAVIOUR AND THEY TESTIFIED IN “WRITING” THAT HE WAS CRUCIFIED BEFORE THEIR VERY EYES.THEY NEVER ONCE CALLED THEMSELVES “CHRISTIANS” IF YOU BELIEVE IN THE WORD WHICH IS GOD AND THE WORD WAS IN THE BEGINING, BEGINING MEANS JUST THAT BEGINING WHAT SOME PEOPLE STARTED DOING LATER SEPERATED THEM FROM GOD SO THEY STATRTED CREATING THEIR OWN IDEAS AND STARTED WORSHIPPING OTHER gods, SMALL (g) WHETHER IT WAS MONEY OR A GOLDEN COW OR A PHYSICAL PERSON THEY DIVIDED THEMSELVES BECUSE THEY WERE DISOBEDIENT TO THEIR CREATOR, SIMILAR TO PARENT -CHILD RELATIONSHIP, IF OUR CHILDREN DECIDE TO NOT FOLLOW THE WAY WE BROUGHT THEM UP DOES IT MEAN WE DIDNT EXIST IN THE BEGINING OF THEIR LIVES, NO!!! IT SIMPLY MEANS THEY CHOSE ANOTHER ROUTE. AND THATS WHY MANY SERIAL KILLERS HAD PERFECT PARENTS GENTLE, KIND LOVING PARENTS THAT GAVE UP THEIR LIVES BECUSE OF THE LOVE THEY HAD FOR THEM AND THESE CHILDREN CHOSE TO HAVE THEIR OWN BELIEF AND HAVE NOT ONLY DESTROYED OTHERS BY THEIR ACTIONS BUT HAVE DESTROYED THEIR OWN SOULS. NOBODY ON THIS EARTH SHOULD EVER BASH ANOTHER PERSON BECAUSE WE ARE ALL IMPERFECT, WHETHER WE BELIEVE IN GOD OR NOT, WE SHOULD NEVER JUDGE ANOTHER AS HARSHLY AND AS IMMATURELY AS YOU ALL JUDGED SHERRI, SHE WAS ACTUALLY RIGHT AND ALL OF YOU “DISSED” HER BECAUSE OF YOUR OWN IGNORANCE.
IN A WORLD FULL OF HATE, ANGER, MALICE A TIME WHEN MOTHERS ARE KILLING THEIR OWN CHILDREN, ADULTS HAVING SEX WITH OUR BABIES AND PRESIDENTS STARTING WARS THEY HAVE NO BUSINESS STARTING LETS EXAMIN OURSELVES AS PEOPLE AND LEARN HOW TO LOVE ONE ANOTHER AND ACKNOWLEDGE EVIL WHEN WE ARE FACED WITH IT. SHERRI IS A FAR CRY FROM THE EVIL I READ ABOUT DAILY SHES A FUNNY INTELLIGENT AND OBVIOUSLY IF YOU ARE WATCHING HER ON TV SUCCESFUL BLACK WOMAN, SHE SAID NOTHING THAT WARRANTED THESE TYPES OF COMMENTS.
*** THE MESSAGE JESUS CAME TO DELIVER WAS FROM GOD; THE BEGINING. THEREFORE PEOPLE WERE FOLLOWING THE MESSAGE JESUS CAME TO DELIVER FROM GOD — THIS WAS FROM THE TRUE AND LIVING GOD, ALLOF THESE OTHER RELIGIONS ARE JUST BITS AND PIECES THEY EXTRACTED FROM THE TRUTH.
I PRAY THAT YOU ALL ASK FOR THE SPIRIT OF WISDOM
IN JESUS NAME
PEACE & GRACE.
PEACE &GRACE TO YOU ALL
Tacitus’s account isn’t “full for that time period,” either. What I quoted above is all that he writes, and that isn’t much. Josephus’s account is known to be at least a partial interpolation (for instance, the real Josephus would not call Jesus “the Christ”). As you mentioned, Josephus was born 3 or so years after Jesus’s alleged death, so that does NOT make him a credible witness. Not only that, but he wrote “Antiquities of the Jews” in AD 93! Furthermore, Josephus often wrote fanciful accounts based on hearsay, such as his mentions of Hercules, or of soldiers flying through the clouds. Neither Josephus’s nor Tacitus’s accounts, even if authentic, are “full Roman records of Jesus Christ (full for that time period),” as you stated.
It’s funny that there were no historians who were alive during the alleged life of Jesus that mention him at all. This is particularly troublesome when you consider how famous the gospels portray Jesus as being.
You wrote: “ALL THE PROPHETS IN THE BIBLE REFER TO JESUS AS BEING OUR LORD & SAVIOUR AND THEY TESTIFIED IN â€œWRITINGâ€ THAT HE WAS CRUCIFIED BEFORE THEIR VERY EYES.”
ALL the prophets, Mary? I tell you what, you don’t have to give me an example from each prophet, just give me on example of where Habakkuk refers “TO JESUS AS BEING OUR LORD & SAVIOUR AND THEY TESTIFIED IN ‘WRITING’ THAT HE WAS CRUCIFIED BEFORE THEIR VERY EYES.” It’s a short book, it shouldn’t take too long for you to read it all. If you can’t find where he does so, then your “ALL” statement is incorrect.
Someone tell the Golden Cow to turn off her cap lock keys.
Amen to that hisurfer#89. What’s all the shouting for? Anyway I can’t watch The View anymore, it’s annoying, silly and pointless.
Sherri also seems to have forgotten (or never learned) that Jesus, himself, was Jewish! In fact, Jesus was NEVER A CHRISTIAN!! The term, “Christian”, to mean, “Christ-like”, was coined AFTER his death, by Peter, I believe, as he continued to try to carry Jesus’ philosophies of life to the Jews and Pagans. It was then, when those followers of his teachings got together, were they then called, via Peter, “Christians”, or Christ-like people. Ergo, if one is to be Christ-like, one should be JEWISH!
Sherri Shepherd is an ignoramus, a moron, an uneducated, classless cretan. And Barbara Walters should be ashamed of herself, and embarrassed to have Shepherd sitting at that table!
MARY, fix that capslock key already. If you had something important to say, I missed it because I couldn’t read that mess. Your Great Wall of Text may be the only man-made blog comment that can be seen from orbit.
Now, with regard to what Ms. Shepherd said, she said that there were Christians — not Jesus, not worshipers of the Abrahamic God, but specifically Christians — in ancient Greece. She clearly misses out on the whole “BC” thing. She also stated that Greeks threw Christians to the lions. Greek culture did not include gladiatorial games of any type; the Romans adopted those from the Etruscans. And yes, it was Christians who were tossed lion-ward … along with followers of other un-state-sanctioned religions, criminals, and a few stray political enemies.
Now, you can split as many theological hairs as you want, but it’s plain that she was not speaking of the Trinity, that she was not speaking of an eternal divine being, but she was speaking specifically of Jesus of Nazareth, called the Christ, and of his followers, called for that reason Christians. While trinitarian branches of Christianity do consider that aspect of the Trinity known as the Son to be eternal and co-equal with the Father, that’s not precisely the same thing; the name “Jesus” specifically refers to the Son incarnated as a man. Looking at it another way, I think we can all agree that Ms. Shepherd’s understanding of theology (or, from the look of it, much of anything) is not very deep. To someone with her level of sophistication on the subject, or lack thereof, “Jesus” means the lil’ baby whose birth we’re going to be celebrating in a few weeks, and the man he grew up to become, not a rather abstract concept of Deity that can manage to be one and three simultaneously, a feat otherwise accomplished only by certain credit card companies.
Let’s shave this thing with Occam’s Razor: Which option requires a less complicated explanation?
1. A person who has at other times demonstrated a lack of factual knowledge (whether the Earth is flat, for example) is actually discussing complex theological principles that are normally only the domain of religious scholars
2. A person who has at other times demonstrated a lack of factual knowledge (whether the Earth is flat, for example) either never learned or does not remember anything about ancient civilizations and thinks that Jesus lived as a man before the time of ancient Greece, and that his followers known as Christians existed during that time.
With regard to the timeline of creation, let me direct you to Genesis 2:5-8 ….
Now, no shrub of the field was yet in the earth, and no plant of the field had yet sprouted, for the Lord God had not sent rain on the earth; and there was no man to cultivate the ground. But a mist used to rise from the ground and water the whole surface of the ground. Then the Lord God formed man of the dust from the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living being. And the Lord God planted a garden toward the east, in Eden, and there He placed the man whom He had formed.
Skipping over the part about rivers, very odd geography, etc., we get to Genesis 2:19-20 …
And out of the ground the Lord God formed every beast of the field, and every bird of the sky, and brought them to the man to see what he would call them; and whatever the man called a living creature, that was its name. And the man gave names to all the cattle, and to the birds of the sky, and to every beast of the field, but for Adam there was not found a helper suitable for him.
(one does have to wonder how long it took him to name all 350,000 species of beetles, and how he could see the single-celled animals clearly enough to name each sort of protozooan)
With regard to evolution being “just a theory”: So are things like atomic physics. Or the science behind the monitor that you are reading this on. Last I looked, both atomic bombs and computer monitors still functioned as advertised. As much as some people want to muddy the water, the meaning of the word “theory” in science means something that has been extensively tested and found to be the best fit with facts; the layman’s definition of “an unsupported guess” is a closer fit to the word “hypothesis”.
Should religion be taught in schools? Is science taught in your church, synagogue, mosque, temple, circle, or whatever? If we are going to teach religious beliefs in science classes, why stop with just Christian ones? Of course, the same parents who want everyone’s children to be taught their particular religion as science would hit the metaphorical roof when their own children’s homework includes the listing the attributes of Shiva, the Hindu god of creation and destruction, and an assignment to draw a picture of Raven, the Haida god of creation, dropping the stone that formed the world or finding the first humans in a clam. We open a very large and squirmy can of worms when we say “teach all the versions and let the children/parents/etc. decide.” Science belongs in science classes, religion in churches. It is better for both religion and science to keep it that way.
Paul, the Romans were fanatical bureaucrats. There are extant records of things like the Roman water supply system and property owners who had been fined for tapping into it illegally (some things never change). There are no records of Jesus. Of course, that sort of thing was generally a strictly local matter, and out in the provinces (and Judea was a particularly unruly province) the local record-keeping was often not very good. The lack of a record of the trial and execution of the leader of one of the multitude of messianic cults that flourished at the time does not mean that leader, Jesus the son of Joseph, did or didn’t exist. Later references to him by Roman historians are references to Christians, and sometimes state what the historian believes that the Christians believe about their founder. Hearsay at best, in other words, and decades after the fact at that.
But we’ve gotten far away from the real topic.
The real topic is that Sherri Shepherd believes that Jesus walked the earth, and gathered followers who became the first Christians, prior to the existence of ancient Greece, supported by the belief that the Greeks fed Christians to lions, and stuck to and expanded on that belief when challenged. That is manifestly incorrect. Whatever else she might believe, she has a timeline for the ancient world — Christianity, Greece, Rome — which is at odds with not only the historical record but with the Bible itself, which specifies that Jesus was born during the reign of Augustus Caesar, who ruled from 27 BC to AD 14. Julius Caesar, with whose name Ms. Shepherd should be familiar, died a decade before Jesus was born. And by then, of course, Rome had long since supplanted Greece.
There’s no way to spin this, only to admit the obvious: Sherri Shepherd is ignorant of both history and the Bible.
Your ignorence is killing me hun. I’m not Christian but I know the history and the Bible.
We are some thousand years older that Jesus (Yes I am Greek and my real name IS Sokrates).
Lern to undersnatd what is real history and what fairytail.
LERN HISTORY B…..!!!!!
From a comment from a TV show, made by a moron, to people claiming they know what she meant, to claiming they know what the full meaning of the Bible is, and on to a debate on God and what he/she meant….
The real reason that dip stick is on TV is because moronic dip sticks watch it. The more stupid things she says, the higher the rating go due to everyone wanting to see how stupid she’s going to be today!
After seeing this clip and reading most of this “debate” now I know why I don’t watch TV!
Next you’ll tell me not only is the world flat but it’s only 6,000 years old!
John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Adam was a Christian, and he was the first human. Christianity predates everything.
Why are you all so hard on Sherri? She was being bombarded with challenges from everyone that she probably didn’t realize what she was saying. Your retarded president makes her look like a genius!!
God-Fiction to help you all sleep and not be affraid of death
Bible-Man made so that all that come after will continue to follow this fake nonsense. Just like the Easter Bunny which is fake and set up for a religious holiday along with santa also set up for a religous holiday its fake all the way around.
I have been around some dumb people in my life. I even know a girl that does not believe in dinosaurs. WTF?
Sheri Shittthead is just a dumb fat annoying biatch.
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