It was just yesterday Rep. Barney Frank was slamming Barack Obama‘s Department of Justice DOMA brief that relegated same-sex couples to the land of incest and called gay marriages bad for the economy. “I think the administration made a big mistake,” the Boston Herald quoted Frank saying. “The wording they used was inappropriate. … I’ve been in touch with the White House and I’m hoping the president will make clear these were not his views.” But in a shocking about-face, Frank now says the brief’s wording was just fine.
In a just-published, shall we say, “clarification,” Frank finds himself suddenly backing the White House. Sounds like someone got a talking to on Wednesday during one of his two trips to 1600 Pennsylvania.
When I was called by a newspaper reporter for reaction to the administration’s brief defending the constitutionality of the Defense of Marriage Act, I made the mistake of relying on other people’s oral descriptions to me of what had been in the brief, rather than reading it first. It is a lesson to me that I should not give in to press insistence that I comment before I have had a chance fully to inform myself on the subject at hand.
Now that I have read the brief, I believe that the administration made a conscientious and largely successful effort to avoid inappropriate rhetoric. There are some cases where I wish they had been more explicit in disavowing their view that certain arguments were correct, and to make it clear that they were talking not about their own views of these issues, but rather what was appropriate in a constitutional case with a rational basis standard – which is the one that now prevails in the federal courts, although I think it should be upgraded.”
And then he adds: “I think it is unwise for liberals like myself, who were consistently critical of President Bush’s refusal to abide by the law in cases where he disagreed with it to now object when President Obama refuses to follow the Bush example. It is the President’s job to try to change the law, but it is also his obligation to uphold and defend it when it has been enacted by appropriate processes. It would not be wise, in my judgment, for those of us who are gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender, or who sympathize with the fight for our rights, to argue for a precedent that says that executives who disagreed politically with the purpose of the law should have the option of refusing to defend it in a constitutional case.”
That’s right: The most senior openly gay elected official just defended Obama’s move because, had the president not defending DOMA, he would’ve been doing something unethical — even though plenty of legal experts have confirmed Obama was not required in the least to defend DOMA, especially in such a vile manner. Meanwhile, this is not a “political” issue; it is a civil rights issue. Would Frank’s stance be the same if, say, there were a law on the books saying gays couldn’t vote? Or blacks couldn’t marry? And Obama had defended those laws because, well, they were simply written down in the rulebook?
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Frank, meanwhile, is still supporting next week’s DNC fundraiser for the gays, saying anyone who boycotts the gala harms the only party supposedly focused on gay rights. Sadly, Frank just added his name to the list of Obama apologists. The one guy we thought we could count on just branded himself a turncoat.
Speaking of those types: HRC president Joe Solmonese, joined Obama and Reps. Frank, Tammy Baldwin, and Jared Polis in the Oval Office yesterday to sign the “gay rights” memorandum. Solmonese, who just got done taking the White House to task for its dismal gay rights record, now “commend[s] President Obama and his administration for taking this beginning step to level the playing field but we look forward to working with him to repeal the Defense of Marriage Act, overturn ‘Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell’ and guarantee the entire American workforce is free from discrimination.” Ooh, how forceful, Joe. Right back in to the establishment’s fold.
kempsternyc
Is Barney sure he read the same brief I did?
HayYall
Wow. A tier-shit law school grads buckles under the majesty of the office of PotUS. Oh and he’s a screaming bottom. Color me shocked!
Jim
Who can understand a thing Barney even says?
XY
Sorry, but injustice is injustice, and DOMA is flagrant discrimination and wrong. It should not be defended.
TANK
That fat old son of a bitch! This is infuriating. What a consumate insider….
TANK
ANd how flagrant is the “where else are ya gonna go, fags?” line. They’re calling our bluff. Third party.
emma
Please try to back up your assertions with sources other than just John Aravosis. His blog is seriously not the gospel.
The Gay Numbers
I wonder if there is some kind of deal to back ENDA?
Wisconsin Gay
@TANK: Third party? No. The best work is done from the inside. There is no greater threat to a politician than a galvanized movement within his/her base against them. Third parties also won’t work until publicly-funded elections are passed, and that’s at the very least a long time coming, if never. The pulling out of the fundraiser is a great idea. Keep up the blogging, keep up the press. Public anger is our weapon.
Barney is playing politics. I disagree with him. The brief (which I read, Congressman Frank) was disgraceful. Obama’s make-nice move with the memo today didn’t make up for it. Or the gay men and women discharged from the military. Or his lack of movement on DOMA legislatively. Or his silence on the rolling tide of marriage equality.
I voted for you, Mr. President. In the primaries and in the general. I volunteered. I campaigned. I donated money.
Where the hell do you get off?
Michael W.
We’ve been hoodwinked! BAMBOOZLED!
schlukitz
@The Gay Numbers:
Well, that’s pretty much what Washington, DC is all about, isn’t it? Making backroom deals.
And, we call that process a er, ah, “Democratic Republic”?
Yeah. And my name is Sam Spade, Private Investigator.
The Gay Numbers
@schlukitz: We shall see. I am not one to believe what I make up for myself when reality will provide a better barometer. So, I have no idea if my speculation is accurate. Just a little to quick on the draw for Frank because I am at a loss for what he gets out of this other than the bill he’s introducing next week. I mean- until now I have been lukewarm to Frank (too corporate Dem and eager to see only gay men as important)- but I never thought of him as a stupid man. Him doing this without getting something out of President Obama like his own bill being passed is highly stupid given the perception it will produce in the gay community. The only way that it would not be is if he delivers on ENDA.
Thom Freeheart
DOMA is popular with the average American. It is more important for Frank and the Dems to keep power in the 2010 mid-term elections than to stand on principle.
Frank sold out his nation by not regulating banks as was his duty.
Why wouldn’t he do this?
The Pink Donkey
I’m sorry, you regularly lambast Barney Frank, you call him traitor regularly. Why is this any different? Barney Frank does what he has to keep his position. He is first and foremost a politician. He compromises all the time, we know this already. At the same time he is the leading open gay politician in the United States. Give him the respect he deserves for his position. He was wrong to recant, but he has earned some capital down the road to spend. What did he get in return for his recanting, we won’t know until we see it. In the past when something like this has happened when good ol’Barney toed the line, did what he was told to do by the PTB, things moved forward elsewhere. I would pay close attention to what comes from Barney Franks office in the next few weeks, I think we might see some legislation proposed by Barney backed by the president…..
michael
This just keeps getting crazier and crazier and this is bullshit and a mind fuck. I am writing the S.O.B. right now and let him know the ATM is now under lock and key and I will do everything in my power to see that others do the same. How dare him try to defend this by saying that Obama is doing the right thing by doing the opposite of what Bush did. We are seeing what opposites really are, they are just a different color of the same bullshit. Keep up the anger, write the asshole and let him know his shit ain’t going to fly.
Bruno
@The Pink Donkey:
Well Barney Frank came out of the closet while in office and has been a steady voice for the gay community. But what has he ACTUALLY done yet? There’s never been an actual federal law passed on our behalf that helped us. Which isn’t to say that was all up to him, but I fail to see what capital he’s really earned with us that should give him leeway to sell out our righteous indignation. You’re right about one thing, he has been and always will be a consummate politician. Looking out for #1 is all he cares about.
troy
Tonight we had some friends over for dinner. They were all straight, upper middle class professionals. Liberal in their views but not dedicated, die hard Democrats. I told them about recent events with the DOMA brief, they were appalled but said the first thing that came to mind is what choice do we have? Would we want a Republican in office? I then told them this, if I was going to be lumped into a pile with those who practice incest. If I was not going to see full civil rights. Then I might as well be the richest 3rd class citizen I can be. I would rather my taxes be as low as possible and keep my money to spend like I wish. I could take my cash that I saved by being a Republican and spend on organizations that helped gay and lesbian youth. I could spend it on my own people and myself. They looked at me and said, your right! Why would you stick to a party that did not benefit you? Then they said why would we do the same if both parties were equal when it comes to civil rights issues? Its that fucking easy folks to sway your straight friends who may be voting for Democrats just because they care about you. Let em know that their pocket books will be better off and release them of their guilt and these assholes won’t ever be in office again!
Puck
@Bruno: If I remember correctly Barney brought a couple republicans over on the matthew sheppard act under bush, before it got vetoed. He also was a key supporter on numerous health research and resources for HIV.
The Gay Numbers
@The Pink Donkey: ENDA, as I mentioned, is due to be proposed in the next week or so.
schlukitz
Several years ago a young gay man was fatally shot by a, str8, homophobic punk in a gay bar in Boston.
Angered by this latest incidence of violence directed at the LGBT community, I wrote a letter to Barney expressing my dismay over the frequency with which this was happening all over America and urged his backing of a Federal Hate Crimes bill.
Barney sent me a reply within a couple of days that appears to have been typed by him (it was informal and contained a couple of typos) and his signature was actually signed with an ink pen.
I was so impressed and pleased to receive a personally written letter from a man of his importance with his actual signature, as opposed to a form letter typed up by some secretary with his rubber-stamp signature at the bottom, that he immediately became my hero and has remained so ever since. That simple act, in my mind at least, demonstrated to me, his sincerity and his humanism.
With his actions today, however, I don’t know what to make of the man? I don’t know whether to feel sad or feel angry…or perhaps both.
What I do know, is that I feel like I have been betrayed and abandoned by a dear friend.
schlukitz
@The Gay Numbers:
I’m sorry. My post no. 20 was meant for you. It’s late. LOL
SM
Oh good God…Go out and earn you RIGHTS.
If the gay community did not blow off Prop 8 and it lost, it would have been much easier for the Democrats and Obama to go after DOMA. Its not like your community has it all together and is HELPING
Rob
@SM: What would you have us do? We already have overwhelming public support for DADT repeal, for employment non-discrimination laws, and for civil unions. The people we need to persuade now are our elected officials. How are we supposed to do this, if not by applying political pressure?
SM
@Rob:
I don’t think everyone in the gay community are not taking it seriously but I think many have never written letters, attended rallies etc.
Money, Public Service Announcements, educating people, holding your congress people accountable. Bring marriage equality to a couple more states and it becomes easier and easier to go after DOMA. The faster your community becomes more organized into an educational civil rights movement with families, religious people everywhere the more power you will have to push Obama. The younger generation is on your side.
Fight your cause in a way that straight families that may have never been exposed to a gay family can understand.
Read about other civil rights movements.
Find Religious leaders to speak out for you to shut up the Religious Right.
SM
@Rob:
If New York can get to marriage equality and then California can get its act together and win marriage equaltiy by popular vote in 2010, DOMA will crumble.
You all should focus your energy state by state for these issues. When California votes on same sex marriage again, every gay in every state better stand up for it and FIGHT even though they cannot vote. You will win.
Rudy
ROB,
From my view, we would have way better support from Obama and the Congress if we were pushing for the very things you mentioned.
ENDA is without question the most important piece of legislation as that allows gays across the country – even in red states – to come out, protest, be activists, etc. and not have to worry about losing their jobs. That is a big game-changer for everyone.
DADT’s should be part of the same package.
While it’s true we are making some progress on Marriage Equality primarily in the northeast, politicians are not going to put themselves out for something that loses at the polls in MOST states.
From a red state perspective, it seems like everything of substance has been put on the back-burner so we can argue with Fundies about a word.
DuttyBarb
Okay, i know i am not known for my support on gay marriage but i do support the repeal on DADT and ENDA(if it does not compromise the beliefs of religious groups).
However, i admit that these benefits are not enough for Federal Workers who have domestic partners or adopted children. The govt should ensure these people are sufficiently taken care of by the law. The problem i have is the whole fake husband and wife nonsense u pple are trying to pawn off.
The govt has to step up and protect those in civil unions, maybe then you pple will leave DOMA alone and stop trying to defy normal marriage with your b.s
Oh and btw, Barney is right. I have read that brief over and over and nowhere does it compare gay marriage to incest. You guys are being over dramatic as usual.
schlukitz
It’s 5:10 am and Nuttybarb is posting on here again.
Another lonely night with no cock for her. 🙁
Poor baby!
kevin57
@ Troy
You make a good point…and from poll numbers I saw on MSNBC this morning, the American people are starting to think that. Obama is going to have a tough time moving his agenda now. Most people are concerned more about the deficit than economic stimulus. I’m afraid this is good-bye to health care and the other initiatives Obama has proposed.
So, when Obama-rama’s proposals fall through, what are all you apologists going to say since you’ve been saying THOSE issues are so much more important than ours? And that it would be political suicide for him to repeat Clinton’s mistake of moving quickly on gays in the military? Obama has carefully studied that example, we’re told. If/when he falters on HIS strategy, what will you say?
hand
aside from this bewildering reversal, barney frank is a corrupt and disgusting politician who is responsible in no small part for the financial meltdown.
Joel
Why doesn’t the adminstration defend the Equal Protection clause of the constitution in regards to DOMA? Where is the brief on that?
Charles Merrill
His about face probably has to do with a finance deal, as he is head of the Finance committee. Sick. None of them use the term “Civil Rights” pertaining to our rights. It’s always the illusive “Human Rights” as if the gay community was a tiny third world country with a teetsie fly problem and the only right we need is hospital visitation. We demand all civil rights afforded by the constitution now, those same civil rights as every other citizen gets.
Andrew
@DuttyBarb:
“maybe then you pple will leave DOMA alone and stop trying to defy normal marriage with your b.s”
Defy normal marriage with (our) b.s.??
Blow me.
Charles Merrill
#16 it took the male prostitute scandal for Barney to come out of the closet. A hustler living in his basement was running a call boy business. This is not meant as a personal attack, but does he have any teeth ? I have never seen him smile and his speech is difficult to understand. He sputters like a frustrated wet hen.
Puck
He was driven out of the closet, yes, but hes made up for it since than. Stop holding the circumstances of his coming out against him, it was a different time.
Yet another John
Wisconsin Gay: I am not trying to pick a fight, but I do not agree with you. We all worked within the party in the last election. We donated money, time and energy for Obama. We were the ones who help put him in office. What more are we supposed to do within the party? I am for moving one million voters from registered Democrats to independent or a third party. Believe me the Democrats will be much more scared of that than anything we can EVER do within the party. And most importantly, we can begin today! Barney Frank played the excellent role of ” Gay Uncle Tom” yesterday. I will credit him for outstanding work in the past, but he buckled when he should have bucked yesterday! Tammy Baldwin too. I want to see a TRUE REVOLT by the entire LGTB community on this one. Leave the party for an election cycle. Don’t donate or vote for a Dem (with the exception of Gavin Newsome who has been steadfast in his support!)
andy
Barney seems to lobbed a veiled threat at all us dissenters! Where will I go you ask Mr Barney? How about the green party. I’m voting my issue next election pure and simple, and again I will give money to those who stand for me, NOT AGAINST ME. This is ridiculous. Why is it still acceptable to legislate or defend discrimination against law abiding citizens? These people should be ashamed of themselves for letting us hang out here unprotected and marginalized for even one more day!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Tom
@The Pink Donkey: I think it’s ENDA.
Thom Freeheart
I believe that most Americans are fair at heart – they just sometimes need leadership, especially on issues where their judgment has been ruled by thousands of years of bigotry.
Sometimes an issue, like rights for the minority, just needs a little leadership to appeal those hearts. Obama with Frank and others should step up and give Americans the arguments they need to justify setting aside their intolerance. Obama is held in such high esteem in the black community that he could at least spend a little political capital and make a difference there.
Cam
“”Sadly, Frank just added his name to the list of Obama apologists. The one guy we thought we could count on just branded himself a turncoat.””
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Why would you think we could count on him? He has ALWAYS sold us out for more influence in the party. The only reason he even made the statement against the DOMA brief was because people were threatening to boycott his fundraiser. Now the WH talked to him and, threw gays some breadcrumbs. I’m sure they think we are dumb enough to not notice that the benefits they gave same sex partners are nothing compared to the ones straight couples get. Frank is now back in line…a good reliable gay. He thinks that gays will now flood into his fundraiser because Obama gave us something that amounts to nothing.
Cam
@Puck: You said “He was driven out of the closet, yes, but hes made up for it since than. Stop holding the circumstances of his coming out against him, it was a different time.”
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How? What has he done for us? He crafted Don’t Ask Don’t Tell. He codified discrimination into law…just like a good self hating former closet case would.
Cam
@schlukitz: You said “Barney sent me a reply within a couple of days that appears to have been typed by him (it was informal and contained a couple of typos) and his signature was actually signed with an ink pen.”
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The typos mean that they didn’t bother to edit the letter which was written by a junior staffer. The signiture is from something called an “Auto-Pen” that every congressman has. They turn a copy of their signiture into the craftshop on the Hill, a machine is built that mimics their signiture, a pen is inserted and hundreds of letters a day are signed this way in every single office. It is doubtful the congressman even saw your letter.
Konrad
ok. Correct me if I am wrong.
the activists screamed “Obama is comparing our relationships to incest”
The basis for this was that the brief looked at the question “Does the ‘full faith and credit’ clause require states to recognize a valid marriage in another state?” It answered “No”, since a state that does not allow first cousins to marry is not required to recognize a marriage from a state that does.
Barney might be right.
ChristopherM
@Konrad:
Yes, and the comparison being made there is that Full Faith & Credit does not require a state to recognize valid marriages that are against “public policy,” thereby implying that same-sex marriage is validly considered against public policy just like an incestuous one.
I wonder if when Obama leaves office he will give Barney his nuts back?
David
Obama’s DOJ did equate gay marriage to incest and Barney always gave me the creepy feeling he couldn’t be trusted with a 14 year old nephew for an overnight visit. He did, in fact, have an escort service run out of his DC townhouse.
His backing of Obama’s disgusting DOMA defense is the last straw for this aging, toothless, fat pervert. Suck it Barney.
Kieren
Just because Frank is gay doesn’t mean he’s smart, or even-handed, or fair, or anything. He has failed his constituents with this flip-flop. He should be ashamed of himself.
Term limits just for the Presidency? How about term limits for all these politicians who get a little lazy when they get their ‘lifetime’ posting to Washington.
We need a new breed of politician. We need new politicians.
As an aside: a smart Obama (his brilliance, to me, is waning quickly) would have dealt with DOMA and DADT as early in his term as possible so that all the fall-out would have fizzled before the next election. He would have done the right thing, people would see the world didn’t end when gays got married or served in the military, and his chance for re-election would remain intact.
John in SF
@The Pink Donkey: : He was wrong to recant, but he has earned some capital down the road to spend. What did he get in return for his recanting, we won’t know until we see it. In the past when something like this has happened when good ol’Barney toed the line, did what he was told to do by the PTB, things moved forward elsewhere.
Note how the Frank style as described by Pink Donkey differs from they style Obama said he would use. Are we trying the same old politics and expecting a different result?? Below is a quote from Obama’s speech as he accepted the Democratic nomination:
“You understand that in this election, the greatest risk we can take is to try the same old politics with the same old players and expect a different result.”
shelby
i guess we will never appreciate anything obama does huh? no wonder other democrats don’t support us. sheeeesh! if you don’t like what he is doing vote for someone else next time, and i’m sure most of your educated brains can’t guarantee that the next democratic/green party candidate will be any better on gay issues. Good luck!
slider
By Barney Frank’s logic then the POTUS should be filing briefs in support of every law, even if say it had discrimination in it..by that argument, then the federal government should have always defended “separate but equal” racial discrimination, etc. What happened to the fact that DOMA is a clear violation of the Constituion’s “good faith and credit” clause and “comity” clause where if a state allows same sex marriage then other states must recognize that marriage, even if a couple moves to a state that doesn’t allow same sex marriage. DOMA was unconstitutional when passed and remains unconstitutional….Barney Frank is a coward and as Harvard Law School graduate he knows better. SO MUCH FOR STANDING UP AND SAYING WE ARE ENTITLED TO THE SAME CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS AS STRAIGHTS>>>>I put that in caps since that is the essential fundamental in a nut shell basis for our rights as every other citizen in this country.
I agree with Troy (comment 17)…..I am tired of being run over by the Democrats..I knew Obama would do this and did not vote for him and never will..when my own sister said to me in the Summer..why would Gays support a homophobe like Obama, I knew even she got it and when she said he will never do the right thing..I knew she was correct then and is sadly still correct.
Let’s see, the excuses the HRC used was we needed a Democratic President and Democratic Congress to get passed our legislation of repeal DOMA and DADT and pass Hate Crimes and ENDA….and we got Nothing and will get nothing…..because well sit down and shut the fuck up..another election is coming up and we can’t afford to lose power…but gives us lots of money..so we can screw you over again when the election is over.
I would rather give me money to Lambda and other not for profits like GLSEN and Gay Men’s Health Crisis and I have done that since 2004 when the likes of Carville and Clinton urged John Kerry to throw us under the bus, which he did any way with comments like “marriage is for one man, one woman and for procreation and raising children”….I am still waiting for him and Teresa to have their own children..and his comments that he would support banning same sex marriage under the Massachusetts state constitution….
I was done with the DUMocrats then and I have been done a long time….I defy anyone to show me the difference…once party kisses our asses for money and we stupidly give it to them and then they kick us in the balls and fuck us over regularly…I would rather have lower taxes, economic and personal freedom and work on the local and state level and use the likes of Lambda to fight for us then give a nickel to idiots who screw us over.
My God, even Dick Cheney since 2000 has said marriage is up to the states and that he supports same sex marriage (he said so in the 2000 VP debates and we should be allowed to enter any union we want to) and leave it up to the states as it always has been…..given the economic power we Gays have…states will clamor in bad times to have our money and we see the tidal wave begun with more and more states enacting same sex marriage laws….
Barney Frank is not my leader and he has continually sold us out….time to build from the ground up..LOOK AT New York State where the Republicand support same sex marriage and its the Democrats screwing us over…..all I say is Had enough? I sure have….I stand with Troy as to his comments…..
I have been done a long time with money grubbing slime Democrats and say we organize and support groups like Lambda and find grass roots support at the local and state levels and reach out to Republicans and Independents since we will need them to give us the votes to get what we are entitled to-OUR CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS….and shame the Democrats into doing what they have refused to do and excused away our rights as the “time is not right”….the same Democrats who said that constantly to Martin Luther King, Jr…until he put the organization in place from the ground up to force Democrats (remember it was the Republicans in Congress that gave MLK, Jr. the votes he needed since a majority of Democrats in Congress voted against the Civil Rights Laws)
time to get busy and take our money and use it for our causes and not for DUMOCRATs who screw us over time and time and time again!
John in SF
Obama delivering his thoughts on the same old politics and the same old players:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C3BEbzOlXwE
Martha
In the HBO bio pic
The part of “hauling the party line” blustery buffoon turncoat Barney Frank (who tries to say the damaging insulting brief is legally logical) will be played by Nathan Lane.
The breif was Obama’s way to keep the religious Rick Warrens and Cathlics and Mormon money machine appeased and keep the homos doomed to separate-but-unequal federal civil unions (maybe someday when we decide to bestow you with the rights), but marriage is out of the question because “God is in the mix”.
They can suck it.
Cam
@shelby: You said “i guess we will never appreciate anything obama does huh? no wonder other democrats don’t support us. sheeeesh! if you don’t like what he is doing vote for someone else next time, and i’m sure most of your educated brains can’t guarantee that the next democratic/green party candidate will be any better on gay issues. Good luck!”
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Oh, I’m sorry, could you please remind me just what it is he did for us? He has just issued an executive memorandum allowing gay govt. employees to take off sick days if their partner is sick…..of course it DOESN”T allow them to put their partners on their insurance, or provide retirement benefits etc… Additionally, this is something that most companies in the U.S. as well as the State Dept. have already done. Do again, please remind me just what these amazing things the White House has done for us…or are you just so happy to be patted on the head and patronized that the fact that he has said the word “Gay” in a speech is enough for you?
M Shane
It truly saddens me to see that gay people are both so ignorant and self defeating coming forth with so much increadibly mindless and deranged rant.
As Mr. Frank said, the U.S,. came dangerrously close to becoming a dictatorship(for those who read anything) by undermining the Constitution.
Obama knows well that if this case comes befor the court, he will look stupid to anyone with Knowledge of the court, and that after self destructive falderal, the case will indfeed lose.
There is no precident or even spirit in the Constitution to support this judgement, contrary to the B.S. many right wing gay journalists and opportunists claim.
What is the point of bringing something to thew court that will not even be taken seriously. Clearly everyon can see that this contingent of marriage -happy gays are delusional and in need of impulse control. Really not unlike Sarah Palin- just dumb.
I’m sure that Mr Obama will make a move for Civil Unions in the Senate. He never promised more. Not that many people believe in marriage or see it as practical for gay people.
Just sit on an ice pack and settle down. We’ll get what’s reasonable when it’s time.
John in SF
@M Shane: Just sit on an ice pack and settle down. We’ll get what’s reasonable when it’s time.
Well, it’s time! Now is the moment for change. No delays. No excuses.
http://www.theDallasPrinciples.org
I’m just sayin…
Brian Miller
Third party? No. The best work is done from the inside. There is no greater threat to a politician than a galvanized movement within his/her base against them
That’s worked incredibly well since 1990, hasn’t it?
Politicians in Washington cower in fear every time the phone rings and the caller ID says “Human Rights Campaign” or “NGTLF.”
LOL!
Brian Miller
@M Shane: Just sit on an ice pack and settle down. We’ll get what’s reasonable when it’s time.
Yes. The Massah will take good care of us, you’ll see!
TANK
@SM:
What the fuck do you know about earning rights? You went to a goddamn march and demonstration. You don’t know dick about lgbt’ers who have dedicated their entire lives to lgbt equality, or the kind of committment that takes.
As to third party voting, I see the weakening of the republicans as optimal for third party relevance in the electorate. Enough to offset a comparative lack of funding? No, but significant.
Saspa Rilla
Uncle Barney!
InExile
Today is a good day to write a letter!
I wrote letters to both of my Senators and my Congressman today similar to this:
Dear Congressman,
I am writing you today because I am concerned about the current lack of action on the part of our legislative branch and our executive branch on issues that directly affect the lives of gay couples.
Our President promised to work with congress on a range of issues like repeal of DOMA, DADT, ENDA, Hate Crimes, and enacting Civil Unions with full federal benefits. I write you today because I know our President can not achieve movement on these issues alone. I am asking you as a life long democrat who has always volunteered to elect democrats and contributed to democrats to please help get these very important issues moving legislatively.
In tough times like these gay couples are also struggling to keep their heads above water but the difference is they are doing so without the same rights and benefits as heterosexual couples. My life waits in limbo until the Uniting American families Act passes or until the Defense of Marriage Act is repealed.
I, my friends, and my family will no longer be donating money or assisting in helping democrats be elected to office until legislation is written and passed to stop discrimination against gay couples.
Respectfully,
InExile
edgyguy1426
Ok, first off I don’t think disparaging Barney Frank’s speech impediment or weight really helps matters, it lowers things down to a level where nothing can be discussed sanely and rationally. Secondly I want to thank SM for post No. 24- can can forcefully make your point without resorting to calling people idiots or cowards. And DuttyBarb? THANKS for making your point No. 27. We can of course agree to disagree,we CAN do it in a civil way and so I’m sorry for comments like Schlukitz’s which follow your rational one with only name calling and vitriol- it really doesn’t help.
TANK
Oh, I think disparaging piggy’s weight does help matters. It accurately draws attention to his morbid obesity (a health problem) and enables one to vent the rage caused by his betrayal. You’ll only be doing that fat tub of shit a favor by lambasting him because of his weight…he should be “more” aware of it.
edgyguy1426
Can people please NOT assume that because we post negatively in here that we’re NOT doing things outside this blog to further advance our cause? It’s just not logical to connect those dots.
I got just as infuriated with people that labeled the American Idol top two as the Christian and the Gay. Who was to say that Lambert couldn’t be both?
My point is,you can work tirelessly for civil rights in many ways AND find time to type a few lines on Queerty.
Those here lamenting that instead of WHINING and COMPLAINING in Queerty, we should be out protesting and writing letters to Congressmen/women don’t seem to see that we can do BOTH.
XY
Smart and hard-working gays should move to Canada or the pro-gay European countries, at least for a little while, if they can’t take the crap of America. I seriously recommend it.
Martha
yes , genius
because the Deep South was sooo willing to make interracial marriage legal in 1960s.
state by state means NADA
and it doesnt touch federal benefits like Social Security
it takes the Federal Supreme Court and the Government to think Federally —
we want CIVIL MARRIAGE EQUALITY not separate but unequal civil unions.
Obama and the Dems can shove that idea.
TANK
@Martha:
Bingo. State by state cannot work when civil rights are treated like a political football…or now, like cancer.
BrianZ
@M Shane: Jesus Christ, copy and paste that shit into Word for the spell check, ok? It is simply impossible to take accept anything seriously from someone who can’t complete a sentence without at least one spelling error.
So you’ll completely understand why the rest of us giggle when you post.
Mollie
@Rudy:
Finally somebody else on this site understands the “real” environment that we as a community are really dealing with. Not an environment that we wish was present, but the actual environment that is really present in terms of “gay rights” issues.
Steve
@troy:
Get better Democrats elected in the primary elections. Stop supporting the DNC cycle of cronyism. Can you imagine? The DNC recently contested a primary election vote in Atlanta, GA because it felt the wrong Democrat won.
We can’t avoid a two party system but we can work for better Democrats. Every two years we have a chance to change all of the House and 1/3 of the Senate.
Stop supporting Gay, Inc., esp. HRC. I received fund raising letter today. I’m writing “Not until Joe resigns.” on it. I suggest others do the same.
Mollie
@M Shane:
Congrats your are person #2 today on this site who dealing is in common sense and reality!
Nick
I think all this screeching just proves that most gays aren’t really all that liberal minded. They’re single issue minded, and care not at all about anything that isn’t “gay related.” I’m 100% certain that when marriage equality is a reality and ENDA is on the books, gays will be one of the most conservative voting blocks around.
SM
@TANK:
Excuse me? I do something to fight for the Equality of the gay community every damn day. I guarantee I do more than 90% of the gay population in America that does NOTHING.
Fucking losers like you hurt your movement…kick your own ass..idiot.
TANK
Excuse me? I do something to fight for the Equality of the gay community every damn day.
Waving a flag and marching in a parade doesn’t mean you have just as much right to chastize gays and lebians for not doing their part. Further, it doesn’t put you on the same footing as an lgbt activist, asshole. YOu aren’t frank kameny, so stfu, you heterosexual.
I guarantee I do more than 90% of the gay population in America that does NOTHING.
You don’t even know a fraction of 1% of the gay population in AMerica, so you’re speaking from ignorance about what they do or do not do. FUCK YOURSELF, BREEDER.
Fucking losers like you hurt your movement…kick your own ass..idiot.
And apologists like you don’t know what you’re talking about.
TANK
chastise
and gaudy.
TANK
You do more than 90% of the gay population in america combined according to you…you’re delusional. We don’t need people like you. You do more harm than good, and have absolutely no chance of helping us or organizing people or getting people involved. DO fuck off.
TANK
Ego has no place in activism, and unfortunately professional victims like SM are ruining a coherent and viable movement with their own agendas. It’s common. And this schmuck’s an “ally”…not even an lgbt’er; though, they, too, are poisoning the well of activism.
edgyguy1426
@TANK: Thanks for the comment about ego.
Attmay
Barney Frank is a heterosexual from now on as far as I’m concerned. And you all know what I think about those “people”.
TANK
@edgyguy1426:
? LOL!
Brian Miller
@Nick: all this screeching just proves that most gays aren’t really all that liberal minded
Dontcha just love it when some straight troll charges in to accuse LGBT folks of “screeching” when their party compares gays to pedophiles?
What if the Obama administration compared Nick’s family to pedophilia and demanded his children be taken from him?
Would he accept a “wait another 40 years and we might get to it” answer?
The frequency of the “get over yourselves, sit down and shut up” replies from “liberals” are indicative of a deep-seated, homophobic contempt.
michael
These “straight” democratic trolls are showing up on gay web sites cause they are fucking scared. They realize that every gay person who choses to sit out and not vote the next election could also take a lot of straight family and friends with them. I have a mother and father and 3 siblings with 3 spouses. They vote Democrat for me. All I have to do is tell that to stop and why I think they should, but then they also have influence as well with other folks I dont know so 1 lost gay vote could mean dozens. We do have power boys and girls, more than we realize.
Jhon
I’m almost afraid to post this because everyone here seems to be so mean and snarky, but here goes: Does anyone have a link to the actual DOMA brief. I would like to read it myself. I’m not sure if I’m not looking in the right places or not using the right keywords… all I can find is articles and blog posts about it. Thank you!
mikeandrewsdantescove
Barney Frank a FLIP FLOPPER? I wish I could understand him during a press conference:-)
Mike
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3QhZPT9dqm4
BrianZ
@Jhon:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/16355867/Obamas-Motion-to-Dismiss-Marriage-case
That should work for you, I think. Cheers!
schlukitz
@edgyguy1426:
I’m sorry for comments like Schlukitz’s which follow your rational one with only name calling and vitrio
Well, let’s see now. You’ve apologized for Obama, Barney, SM and NuttyBarb. Have we left anyone out?
I wish that I could take your comments seriously so they could be given the responses they truly deserve, but I can, so I won’t.
schlukitz
Correction: “I can’t, so I won’t.”
schlukitz
@Cam:
Well, if that is the case, then I guess there isn’t much point in writing letters to any of our leaders, is there?
If they do not read them or respond to them personally, then I guess it is silly to expect a junior staffer or an auto-pen to bring about any real change.
Now, I know why I rarely, if ever, get any responses to any of the letters I write. ;(
Bill Perdue
No shock here. Frank is trapped in the last closet, the Democratic (sic) party. Here’s what that closet does to people.
What an unprincipled fake. But then, if Frank actually had any principles, or even knew what they were, he wouldn’t be a Democrat.
sucmwadhttp://www.house.gov/frank/pressreleases/2009/06-17-09-doma.html.
March on Washington
to Dump Clinton’s DOMA and DADT,
for the original ENDA,
and to Dump Barney Frank and Dump the Democrats (and their Republican bed partners).
edgyguy1426
Nope I just apologised for YOU. I just don’t see where comments like “Another lonely night with no cock for her. 🙁 ” are going to get you? It wasn’t particularly clever if you were going for laughs….doesn’t advance honest discussion either…I mean if that’s what you’re here for..or maybe you’re just rehearsing for open mike nite at your local Zanies.
If I’ve apologised for Obama’s policies, show me where. If I’ve apologised for Barney Frank’s position show me where. SM and DuttyBarb have their own agendas and when they look to engage in civil discussion, even if I disagree with them 100% I think it’s a good thing.
I’m glad you won’t give my comments responses you think they deserve. I can do without them.
J. Twist
Bill Perdue
@Bill Perdue: Sorry. When I posted the link for Barney Franks website I included his file name. The link is http://www.house.gov/frank/pressreleases/2009/06-17-09-doma.html. Scumwad is just his file name.
schlukitz
Experimenting with highlighting a comment in italics only without bold font
edgyguy1426
I think we need fresh gay blood in the Senate. I think the old dinosaur Franks is past his prime and too ‘old politics’ to really be more activist on our part.
There have to be some up and coming people who aren’t afraid to take on the establishment.
Obama approval rating dropped about 5% in the laest poll. Should we have to wait until it drops further to make a move? It has to be ASAP while he’s still up there and has political capital to spend. With Health Care Reform being such a touchy subject, it’s not likely he’s gonna make any more friends than enemies anytime soon.
schlukitz
@edgyguy1426:
We’re all big boys and girld now who are responsible for our own comments.
We still have freedom of speech in this country and we are all entitled to say what we like…just like SM and NuttyBarb regularly do on these threads. They have the right to insult us left and right, but we can’t speak back? And who are you to tell us what we can or cannot say?
I’m glad you won’t give my comments responses you think they deserve. I can do without them.
Who asked you for your comments in the first place? they were not directed at you, so you obviously are looking to pick a bone with someone, anyone, it appears.
No one insulted you or called you any names, lest of all me. I can do without your comments as well, thank you very much!
In other words, MYOFB
wondermann
I agree with M Shane, typo or not
schlukitz
@Nick:
I’m 100% certain that when marriage equality is a reality and ENDA is on the books, gays will be one of the most conservative voting blocks around.
So, will that be your justification for voting Republican in the next election and voting affirmatively on any new Prop8 type ballots that pop-up around the country?
schlukitz
@Jhon:
Unfortunately, the mean and snarky ones on Queerty, are the str8, anti-homo trolls who have descended onto these threads like a locust plaque and whose purpose it is to eat everything and everyone in sight.
Please don’t be put off by these creeps. This site, while mainly for gays, is welcoming of all people, as long as they do not charge in here like a bull in a china shop. Many of us are truly interested in and enjoy meaningful dialogue and the exchange of information and ideas.
You are very welcome here and we hope that you will come back to visit with us as often as you wish.
edgyguy1426
Uncle Barney! ROFL!
Bill Perdue
@The Pink Donkey: In truth Frank was forced out of the closet. No big deal and he’s not alone in that.
But you’re wrong about the rest. In the main his voice has been against the LGBT community, in gutting ENDA to please the Chamber of Commerce, in denying equality in an anti-discrimination bill for transfolks and really for all of us if you believe the ACLU, Lambda Legal and the NCLR, which I do.
Barney is a quisling and like 99.9999999% of pols in both parties he’s a sleazy hustler out to make a buck. He desperately wants to be the next Senator from Massachusetts, which is why he won’t get married and tries his damndest to please big business and religious bigots.
SM
@schlukitz:
Mean and snarky? Grow up. Go watch the news..see those people in Iran fighting for their rights…they make the gay equality movement look like a JOKE.
YOU ALL MAKE THE EQUALITY MOVEMENT A LAUGHABLE JOKE.
Stop playing the freaking victim all the time and be pissed that MILLIONS OF GAY PEOPLE CAN’T SHOW UP FOR THIS FIGHT.
edgyguy1426
Many of us are truly interested in and enjoy meaningful dialogue and the exchange of information and ideas. <— today’s chuckle
edgyguy1426
SM- I don’t think you understand. The people posting here probably tend to be more activist than those who are not, you’re kinda preachin to the choir. It’s people that aren’t at all politically informed or involved that you have to light a fire under.
i watched this guy in his mid 20’s on YouTube rant for five minutes on how he was sick of how people didn’t know how to call their coffees when they came to the Starbuck’s where he worked When asked about the gay rights movement he said he didn’t think much about it and really didn’t care. I laid into him (and not in the good way) about what if he met someone and wanted to marry or about people being dismissed from the military on a daily basis for being gay… It’s THESE people we need to educate and motivate. The people posting here ranting and raving (myself included) most likely are already civically or politically involved.
edgyguy1426
@Bill Perdue: You mean Barney never got married? Curious but I guess that’s his decision.
Bill Perdue
@edgyguy1426: He’s regularly criticized for it because he’s from the home state of SSM.
edgyguy1426
I guess it’s his choice but maybe he would lose benefits because of DOMA? I’m not sure how that works. I guess he’d be to pressured to lobby even harder for rights if he were married.
alan brickman
it’s all about money obviously..very dissapointed in Barney
edgyguy1426
He’s whipped
SM
@edgyguy1426:
Obama has taken on the hardest job in the world after 8 long years of Bush screw ups.
Obama is not failing us. Maybe we are failing him.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2009/6/18/744186/-I-Failed-Barack-Obama!
edgyguy1426
No matter WHO takes that job it’s the hardest job in the world, it’s true, because you don’t really make friends in that office you only lose them. And no matter how many times you see it it must not be any easier to see your face on posters, vilifying you for one cause or another(and even a bigger nightmare for the children.) Please don’t confuse criticism here on one issue as failing him. I think most of us do support him on most issues, but 4 years is a short time, and popularity and political capital almost always decline- we get a little fidgety (ok maybe a lot) at the snail’s pace of progress.
SM
@edgyguy1426:
Then blame your own community. How many times has Rachel Maddow done a segment on how few members of the gay community are fighting this battle?
It will be easy to see if your community gets it together. NOM is going after New York and Main now bigtime and using the PR firm in California that did the Yes Campaign.
Get mad at your community because you are going to need the Democrats.
Martha
Obama didn’t realize that the night he was elected President —
millions watched and were happy (he mentioned gays in his speech. wow…um, right before “handicapped”) and the gays who adored him and clicked “donate now” every time he made a great speech would soon have their guts kicked in when that same evening they saw their rights could be stripped away – state by state.
Prop 8 tore a hole in the hearts and lives of so many.
In that one November evening a new civil rights movement was born.
Now months later, he keeps up with his ‘marriage is the individual state’s worry’ cowardice and insulted us with that DOMA brief. He still wants to push for separate-but-unequal civil unions…BUT now — in JUNE 2009 — WE WON’T SETTLE FOR LESS THAN FULL EQUALITY. WE WANT MORE NOW — and the old queens will have to see that the generation coming up EXPECT and DESERVE IT!!!
WE ARE NOT AFRAID of the word MARRIAGE and we certainly are not afraid of pushing back and saying that in 2012, YOU Mr. Obama, may be a one-term flunky without us. In 2012, we may very well still be 3rd-class citizens viewed as deviant scum in federal documents — but we will have the peace of mind of NOT supporting ANY leaders who offer us less than FULL EQUALITY ever ever again.
Hey! we can still be equally reviled and ignored under a Republican president. We are used to that.
We will use our votes and dollars more wisely going forward.
—————————–
http://www.thedallasprinciples.org
1.Full civil rights for lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender individuals must be enacted now. Delay and excuses are no longer acceptable.
2.We will not leave any part of our community behind.
3.Separate is never equal.
4.Religious beliefs are not a basis upon which to affirm or deny civil rights.
5.The establishment and guardianship of full civil rights is a non-partisan issue.
6.Individual involvement and grassroots action are paramount to success and must be encouraged.
7.Success is measured by the civil rights we all achieve, not by words, access or money raised.
8.Those who seek our support are expected to commit to these principles.
SM
@Martha:
There is a little something you left out of that rant….You forgot to thank the MILLIONS of straight Democrats that donated time, money and energy to No On Prop 8 and other issues.
DO you all ever issue massive public statements saying thanks to those Democrats or do you just bitch? Trust me, they are noticing and can change their vote too.
You all have an ODD way of winning an equality fight
TANK
@SM:
THat’s right. We have a lot of allies who are going to duck out of supporting this bigoted admin and party when we leave. Fuck do you know about lgbt activists? How the fuck dare you blame my community (not yours, fucktard) for not doing all we can do…you lost, asshole. YOU FUCKED UP. Sick of your ego. YOu haven’t done a billionth of what many activists who are actually gay have and endured. And we’re talking for civil rights, too, re: bayard rustin.
Martha
oh SM — you bore me with your “you whiney gays are shooting yerself in the foot with us helpful heteros” crap.
I will never THANK anybody for working towards a fundamental human right for others.
(# 5 ) The establishment and guardianship of full civil rights is a non-partisan issue and (# 4 ) Religious beliefs are not a basis upon which to affirm or deny civil rights.
If you see a class of citizens kept DOWN by bigots you should rise to help and not look for praise or thanks.
TANK
Your piecemeal suggestion is a failure. This is not a state by state game. The civil rights movement proved what a loser that tactic is. Go take your empty propaganda elsewhere. Most of us are sick and tired of hearing it–the same tired lines since CLINTON. It has gotten us nowhere.
edgyguy1426
@SM: What’s with the Forgot to thank rant? Do we need the millions of straight democrats or whatever to achieve our goals? Of course, but we want them to do it because it’s the right thing to do, not because they want a pat on the back.
TANK
I, for one, refuse to give straight allies like SM free blowjobs for helping out. It’s abhorrent.
SM
@TANK:
Dude…you are just a troll. You have gotten nowhere because you community is just as much to blame as anything else.
Funny…I made the same comments I’m making here, somewhere else and people agreed with me. The straight democrats who put themselves on the line for you, speaking out for you because you might get fired, etc are starting to think the gay rights movement is just a joke…A FLIPPING JOKE
edgyguy1426
@Martha: AMEN!!
TANK
@SM:
Once again, you don’t know what you’re talking about when you accuse “the community” (of which you’re not a member) of not doing what it should be doing. We have, and are continuing to. The only reason you even marched and helped out on the no on 8 campaign by waving a flag in a parade is because of what members of this community have done.
SM
@TANK:
I’ve never marched in a parade and you are still an idiot that hurts the gay rights movement.
TANK
And put yourselves on the line? Bitch, you don’t know the meaning of the word homophobia. You got that? Not the meaning of the word. I’m sick of you long suffering straight martyrs trying to HIJACK the gay rights movement while suggesting that you’re taking a huge chance doing the right thing…fuck you, you tired idiot. You haven’t sacrificed a shred of your heterosexual privilege doing what a person is ethically obliged to do.
TANK
You aren’t an ally.
SM
@TANK:
You are the tired idiot. I have done more for the gay rights movement than your stupid dreams.
Is is ok if I copy all your preschool posts to share with my family in the Castro?
fucking POS
TANK
@SM:
LOL! “I”. No you really haven’t. And I can tell from your constant need to remind everyone just how little you’ve actually done, peewee. You aren’t an ally. You’re a combative, self indulgent and promoting infant.
You worked on the no on 8 campaign like several other straight people, so obviously that makes you one of the greatest civil rights pioneers for lgbt equality that has ever lived. Get lost, you delusional creep. I am disgusted that we have people like you “representing” us.
TANK
It really is typical of heteros to inflict their heterosexual entitlement, sense of superiority, and privilege even when they’re helping out those who don’t have it. Just disgusting.
SM
@TANK:
Nah…the way you psychos act here needs to be copied and posted on other blogs. You all think you are so hot and help the gay rights movement. Let’s pass it around
Hell…maybe the Democrats should drop gays…It would actually be EASIER to win national elections and middle America without you.
fucking idiot.
TANK
I can’t tell you apart from the yes on 8 people.
TANK
And we’ll see how easy it is. How easy was the coleman franken election? The trend is that elections are getting a lot narrower and are decided by smaller groups of people.
SM
@TANK:
Ididot…You all are the ones yelling at the Democrats so don’t let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.
BYE!
It would be so much easier to win Florida and Ohio without your wedge issue.
Fight your own battles. ALl the money I donated to No On Prop 8, I could have donated to Obama…works both ways psycho.
TANK
@SM:
Well, we never stopped fighting our own battles given the great big pile of nothing you’ve done for us and the money, time and resources we’ve given to you.
SM
@TANK:
Yep….and you never seem to win very many.
Hey…If you hate the Democrats and your supporters so much…BYE!!!!!!!!!!! GO AWAY!
You all dont make it easier to win national elections, you make it HARDER.
TANK
You all dont make it easier to win national elections, you make it HARDER.
This is a lie the democrats have been using to threaten us with for too long. Obama was an exception, not the rule. Don’t forget that. There are options.
ALl that our straight allies and democrats combined have done in terms of volutneering their time and money, though appreciated, doesn’t amount to a fraction of the lgbt community has donated in money and time to the democratic party.
SM
@TANK:
Dude…Public Opinion on same sex marriage has DROPPED 10 points since January becuase of the way people like you are acting.
You all really represent your fight and treat your supporters nice~
TANK
@SM:
I think that’s a lie. You’re getting desperate. Nobody likes a “master,” especially not in a representative democracy, bigoted bully troll.
NewsGal
@SM:
Most people in our community do not share the extreme irrational points of view that you read daily on this website. The majority of us are reasonable and responsible citizens who love this country. The majority of us believe: 1-That it was a major mistake pursing the marriage issue instead of civil unions, 2-Employment non-discrimination (ENDA) in the workplace should be the most important issue to pursue, 3-Most gays and lesbians are also people of faith like the majority of people are in America. We are not Christian haters and agnostics like what is frequently portrayed on websites like this, 4-Most of us do not understand why transgendered individuals (who should be treatly fairly) should be included in our struggle. It is mixing apples and oranges, 5-Most of us know that promises made by the President and any other politician cannot be fulfilled in less than six months, 6-Most of us realize that with large items looming like-North Korea regularly testing nukes, an increase in violence in Iraq (4 US soldiers killed the other day), the US banking system totally collasping, US auto industry totally collaspsing, hundreds of thousands of jobs being lost for more than 7 or 8 months in the US, even college graduates not being able to find employment, millions of Americans loosing their homes-that issues like marriage would not be first on the agenda. If any of those issues I listed are not fixed and fixed correctly, the US is done. In my opinion, quite a few that post here are really Republican gays and lesbians/PUMA’s. So please do not believe that the majority of the irrational rants that are posted daily to websites like this are any way representative of our gay and lesbian community, because they are not! These are extremist pure and simple that cannot be reasoned with. SM don’t even continue to waste your time with this crowd!
TANK
If we’ve learned anything from no on 8, it’s that we need to keep straight people away from planning anything.
rick
THE BRIEF SAYS THE SAME DAMN THINGS BUT LESS SO THAN THOSE FROM THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION.
USED TO BE THERE WOULD BE NO PUBLIC OUTCRY.
NOW THERE IS.
OBAMA IS WORKING THE SYSTEM THE RIGHT CREATED AGAINST THEM.
NOW SHUT UP AND LET THE MAN WORK THE SYSTEM TO OUR FAVOR, WHICH IS GOING TO TAKE TIME YOU FUCK HEADS, AND TRY AND FIX THE THINGS THAT AFFECT EVERYONE.
GOOD FUCKING LORD HE CAN’T FIX EVERYTHING ALL AT ONCE.
GOING OUT OF THE WAY TO DENY GAYS RIGHTS WAS A HALLMARK OF THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION.
THE GOP AND THE CHRISTIAN RIGHT IS PROVING TIME AFTER TIME WHAT SLIMY BASTARDS THEY ARE.
OBAMA IS SETTING THE RIGHT UP TO TAKE THE BLAME FOR EVERYTHING.
THE WORM IS TURNING.
TANK
They’ve bullied their way to key positions with this “movement,” and they need to be removed.
SM
@TANK:
Well that is hilarious because gays made the Top Stupid decisions for the campaign.
TANK
@SM:
Not all of them. Especially not concerning the public outreach and the ad campaigns (a heterosexual was responsible for a lot of that). They need to go, along with people like you…and those that allowed them to get as far as they did.
SM
@TANK:
You think I’m the only one saying this stuff? Think again. Congrats on hurting your campaign.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/06/18/stonewall-dems-complain-d_n_217684.html
SM
@TANK:
Uh…gays made the decisions to hire those and blindly follow those people idiot.
schlukitz
@TANK:
Tank and Martha, I love ya, but you are wasting your time on SM.
You see, SM, and rabidly homophobic str8’s like him, do not understand that human rights are inalienable and that no society is truly free as long as one person is denied their rights.
Schmucks like him believe that we homos must beg and grovel at the Master’s boots, lest we offend and that we must “earn” our rights.
And if they are part of the Jebus crowd, well then, the whole deal is off.
Fuggeddaboutit. He is a puss-boil on the anus of mankind. We don’t need his approval, his help…or his fucking vote. Let him shove it where the sun does not shine.
Why do I keep thinking of Gloria Gaynor singing “I will Survive.” as Jesus get hits by a bus?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H3hjo7lpo4o
SM
@schlukitz:
Tells you how much you know…I’m not a him.
Hey..I have my full equality. If you want to keep hurting your community…have fun.
schlukitz
And here I thought SM stood for Sister Mary all along.
Hey..I have my full equality
Yep. Them’s the words of a dedicated, caring, tireless and fearless warrior for righting the wrongs of the world.
You just blew your cover, bitch. As the old expression goes, give a person enough rope and sooner or later they will hang themselves with it.
Oh…and thanks for that fierce Fuck You, you worthless POS.
schlukitz
@Martha:
If you see a class of citizens kept DOWN by bigots you should rise to help and not look for praise or thanks
Schmuck Mouth (SM) has obviously never heard of a man by the name of Peter Singer, a man who is a fierce advocate for helping the downtrodden and those who are less fortunate than ourselves.
If SM’s limited intelligence would allow her to understand such a concept, then she would never, ever, be capable of depositing the smelly, steaming piles of dung she leaves on these threads daily.
schlukitz
@TANK:
I, for one, refuse to give straight allies like SM free blowjobs for helping out. It’s abhorrent
Well, given that SM has revealed to us us that he is a she, I guess carpet munching would really be over the top. ;P
AB
Not shocking. Anyone paying attention to people like Frank know he is an amoral egotist.
TANK
@SM:
Another problem I see is your assertion that the democrats are this monolithic party and that it’s lgbt folks vs. the party. I hate to break it to you, but we’re just as much as democrats as you are, and have just as much a say in criticizing this party as you do.
schlukitz
@TANK:
I made the same comments I’m making here, somewhere else and people agreed with me
This sounds eerily like the kind of stuff Anderson Cooper is my Next Husband and GetReal used to say when they were trying to get Bill Purdue and Charles Mueller drummed off of Queerty.
TANK
@schlukitz:
Oh, they tried to get me, too. LOL! Good for them. I mean, I wouldn’t be a part of anything I were involved in, either.
michael
@SM: Obama only got his job because Bush fucked everything up and Americans being so extreme and reactionary in their nature went for what appeared to be the opposite. But what America got was the same B,S, cloaked in a different mask. I always wondered why they lumped Obama into the same shit pile as other politicians in the film “Zeitgeist”. Now I can know why.
michael
@NewsGal: Where are your sources and stats for your rant? You seem to be extremely co-dependent and like to tell others what others think and feel. Get some therapy you nut bag because your dead wrong, dead wrong. You may be confusing the inactivity of gay people in states like Tennessee, Arkansas etc as being the things you describe. The fact is they are just hopeless and beaten down to the point they don’t even try. So when you can back up your lies with information that substantiates them then bring them back on, in the mean time just shove them up you controlling ass.
michael
@SM: Your not a she, your a cunt, she’s are intelligent and have a heart, cunts dont
John in SF
OK FOLKS ENOUGH WITH THE AD HOMINEMS. HOW ABOUT DISCUSSING ISSUES?
schlukitz
Here come da Judge! ;P
TANK
Obama’s a jimmy carter only without the social conscience and sense of propriety. Barney Frank and the rest are living proof that we should’t vote for candidates solely because of their orientation.
TANK
@TANK:
And also that type II diabetes is a serious problem in this country attributable to out of control eating habits and rampant obesity.
Hominy Grits
Know what is more vicious that calling a woman a cunt ?
okay -take note — this is the pershing missile of woman bashing —
you say: “I hope you find a LUMP in your armpit. (then you throw in) You Cunt!
Brooke
This is not the only section on today’s Queerity where I have been amazed by the low-brow, hateful, damaging, homophobic, sexist, and disgusting posts. Truly vile and disgusting.
John in SF is right – do any of you even care about the issues?
Do any of you posting these offensive, broad comments, really expect ANYONE to take what you say seriously? Again, unbelievable. What a hateful, hateful world this is sometimes.
I for one choose to be positive and hopeful!
And to talk about the issue at hand in this posting – I will say it again. My disappointment with Obama on these issues is deep and entrenched at this point. But everyone seems to forget that we will have a Democratic majority House and Senate soon! Why is no one talking about national strategy for a grassroots movement that targets our actual lawmakers! Obama will sign anything that’s passed, I have no doubt. Work Congress! We haven’t had Congress in decades!!!
tarheel
Well we now know without a doubt Barney is a politician FIRST