And “Moin Moin” sounds so much better than “Gruess Gott”.

I could never bring myself to actually say that.

Dat stimmt

Or Schmidt’s Tivoli

And speaking of Schmidt, I don’t think there are too many other places where the head of the local football club is openly gay.

I too find Hamburg an interesting Port City. A much more diverse mix of people and attitudes. My father lived there for a number of years before he passed on.

Hamburg is home to the leather community and a host of leather bars. I doubt you’d find anything like the Reeperbahn in Bayern. LOL

I’m with you. guys. I like my leather black and shiny as well. ;)

Leder is the German word for leather and of course, hosen is the German word for pants, so it would encompass motorcycle-style leathers as well as the famliar Bavarian suede shorts that have come to be known as lederhosen.

Actually, the correct name for them is Plattlerhosen, so named for the ages old dance performed by men and boys in Bavaria called the Schuhplattle. More can be learned on the topic at the following link.

http://www.bavgirl.com/2008/02.....rhose.html

no no no…
schlukitz said it.

You said something that made no sense about “hate speech and lederhosen” and that’s what I was referring to.

But never mind, this has dragged on far enough as it is.

Lederhosen just reminds me of Bayern, not one of my favourite places. No offense to anyone from there, but my experience of the place was right-wing, reactionary and religious.

Give me Hamburg or Berlin any day.

Had to look it up to find one:
http://picasaweb.google.com/lh.....52ElwKBfYA

Didn’t quite recognize it ’cause usually they have aprons on.
Doesn’t do it for me, actually.

But lederhosen? It might just be the cultural association, but ugh… don’t like’em.

I thought you got turned on by the tim hortons uniform, strumpet.

LOL

Yeah, except I like my leather black and shiny, not suede. That Bavarian fetish gear just makes me cringe.

Very hot with Jack Boots! ;P

At the same time the armed forces have been spending dollars and time on getting rid of distinguished gay servicewomen and men (twice as many lesbians as gay men have been discharged), they have been grossly, recklessly relaxing the standards for criminal history of new recruits.

Winning global hearts and minds — with the criminal underclass as our representatives!

You sure about that, Crackuh?

What up on all the use of “fuck,” “cunt,” etc? Come on guys – I have nothing against profanity, but still…we sound like children.

Yeah, other than that, fuck the military. it’s like whining that you got a shitty meal at Arby’s. Duh- racism, inhumanity and the inequitable abuse of power are the only mandates of a military regime.

So…like, you were expecting Club Med with guns? If so, move to Dubai!

Gary, I’d like to apologize for strumpet’s venomous vindictive hatred of you and of his own kind (cranky olds). I don’t know what you did or said to him, but he’s got a real hard on for you, and I don’t think that’s right…the necessity of viagra in defiance of god aside. It’s uwarranted and malicious of him to call you “Gramps” and “methuselah” and “pile of old used up dirty laundry”. So on his behalf from me, I apologize….okay…I know you’re probably not wearing reading glasses right now….I APOLOGIZE, GARY Much better.

TANK, I’ll let everyone else reading this figure it out for themselves.

…and no, I didn’t honestly expect you to quit the slurs and games.

Delusional. No, Dan Choi is not calling on lesbian and gay servicemembers to boycott the military.

My suggestion was EXACTLY the stand Lt. Dan Choi had the guts to do.

LOL! Oh, okay…I won’t “play games”. But it’s gary, not gramps… Does it make it okay if he used the term? No…so stop being so vile with your hate speech and lederhosen. Look, I don’t know where all this hatred for your fellow olds is coming from, but it’s disturbing.

Don’t play games. Gary used the term “Gramps” himself.

Did you just call him gramps? That’s FUCKING AWFUL! I never called him gramps…that’s just…I mean you’re like seventy, right? OR in your sixties, yeah? Old is old; doesn’t matter. But gramps? That’s just hateful.

Well that’s not a lie. If this person thinks that we are
entirely responsible for our own oppression in the u.s., then that should be extended to every other oppressed group…that is inconsistent with caring about this country (the people in it; and not just some of them, but all of them).

And yes you have tried to have me removed zealously. You can’t stand the fact that I refute your ravings.

I have never tried to have you removed (I know better than to try, because the administrators here do fuck all anyway).

I have reported comments of yours which I considered offensive (like calling people nelly, faggot, and other homophobic names) but we both know that nothing has ever come of that.

Lies? I don’t want to get into a litany, but to use an immediate example your comment that SM cares nothing about your country is completely unsubstantiated.

And there is never any excuse for personal attack, especially not of this sort:
http://www.queerty.com/dykes-o.....ent-183195

For its own sake. You’re oppositional defiant disorder…ed.

I disagree with you on many issues, but have I ever told you you do not have the right to believe what you do? Have I ever questioned your right to post here?

Yes. IN fact, you’ve tried to have me removed. YOu’ve flagged comments and attempted to misconstrue what I’ve said so that they’re in violation of the comment policy.

I’d like to hear how you think forbidding personal attack would “stifle dialogue and encourage groupthink”.

Because personal attack is warranted on occasion. ALl attack is personal if you think about. There isn’t this amazing divide between your beliefs and you that your entire premise rests upon. Thus, it encourages groupthink because the moderator is editing out comments that don’t appeal to its sensibilities when those vary, and…since you value a difference of opinion, that’s a good thing to you.

If people cannot debate the issues without resorting to lies and calling each other names, then what is the point of talking at all?

Lies? Which lies? I think name calling in addition to substantive criticism is just fine. Ad hominem is invalid argument–that’s why I dislike it; not because people are getting called names… Calling people names (oft deserved ,actually) in addition to substantive criticism is just fine…not rule of informal logic is being broken. And many people need to have their feelings hurt. And this isn’t necessary, as you suggest, but the result of, say, people telling lies “respectfully” and being “bigots”. The point of talking? There isn’t much point aside from boredom talking to you…

As an example, I’d like to know how you think your comment #14 added anything relevant or productive to this discussion.

By expressing offense at bigotry.

Actually I value difference of opinion. I disagree with you on many issues, but have I ever told you you do not have the right to believe what you do? Have I ever questioned your right to post here?

I’d like to hear how you think forbidding personal attack would “stifle dialogue and encourage groupthink”.

If people cannot debate the issues without resorting to lies and calling each other names, then what is the point of talking at all?

As an example, I’d like to know how you think your comment #14 added anything relevant or productive to this discussion.

Once again…I’m not the only one saying the things you seem to despise me for. Many of your SUPPORTERS are saying it and the WAY YOU ACT IS SENDING PUBLIC OPINION IN THE OPPOSITE DIRECTION.

THE POLLS SHOW IT

But you’ll say that regardless, as family and supporters are stepping up and helping. This has nothing to do with accurate criticism of the lgbt community, and everything to do with defending bigoted obama policy.

If those tips are anything like your suggestion for getting DADT repealed, keep them to yourself. As it stands, we’d infinitely better off not taking your advice on anything.