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Should Mexico City Mayor Marcelo Ebrard Waste His Time Suing Stupid Catholic Cardinal?

Do we really need Mexico City Mayor Marcelo Ebrard (pictured) filing a defamation lawsuit against Guadalajara’s Cardinal Juan Sandoval Iniguez — for claiming the Supreme Court justices were bribed to affirm the capital’s same-sex marriage law — to convince people the Catholic Church just makes shit up?

In a sermon, Iniguez called gay marriages an “aberration,” asking his flock, “Would you want to be adopted by a pair of faggots or lesbians?” before launching into a claim that Mayor Ebrard bribed the justices to go along with his city’s ruling.

Ebrand demanded Iniguez retract his statements or face a lawsuit, so now we know how that went. (The LAT reported at the time: Iniguez “received the support of the archdiocese of Mexico City and, when asked whether he had proof of his accusations, added, ‘Check their bank accounts.’ Such comments are virtually unheard of here, and some analysts suggested church authorities may feel emboldened by their closeness with the ruling PAN. Yet Sandoval’s reaction was too much even for some members of the party, who said that ultimately the court’s decision must be respected.”)

The cardinal’s claims are ridiculous, and even the Supreme Court has told him to go screw himself. And while I’m not saying the statements should go unchallenged, we hardly need a court to decide Ebrand’s reputation was harmed for any reasonable person to conclude Catholic Church leaders live in a fantasyland.

By:           JD
On:           Aug 19, 2010
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  • 20 Comments
    • Bill Perdue
      Bill Perdue

      Insted of suing, wouldn’t it be better to sponsor legislation mandating long prison sentences for roman cultists who interfere in secualar affairs?

      Aug 19, 2010 at 12:14 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Tallskin
      Tallskin

      http://www.milenio.com/node/510155

      A friend in Mexico found the above and sent it me – forgive the Google translation you native spanish speakers!

      “The presence of “evil” is in society and homosexuals and drug traffickers are his representatives, considered the Father Pedro Pantoja, coordinator of the First Congress of Exorcists and Auxiliaries 2010.

      The congress aims to identify how evil has permeated society and provide measures to rescue people through superstition, new age, occultism and spiritualism have opened the doors to hell.

      The priest Pedro Pantoja said today the presence of evil is a problem that is “presented in many people to go is foray into fashion: that the new age, everything is divination, astrology, spiritualism and all resulting from practices there is a way to open the gates to hell, that being a poor devil feels able to see people who venture into their land, then he used to after doing evil. ”

      But evil, he said, is also in “the temptation that the devil gives us the power of money, sets us apart from the natural laws as we see with gay marriage and adoption that can do all this goes against the God’s plan. ”

      This congress, Pantoja revealed, is the first carried out worldwide to integrate the features of lay people, “not to advertise the devil, but rather to address the needs of people who suffer from lack of faith. ”

      If the devil exists, he said, must know “what its capabilities and limitations and how we can defend it, especially the temptation and prevention, to avoid intruding looking ancien magic, the occult, which is what gives strength the devil to torment people. ”

      He clarified that no one has registered a total number of spells, because “the greater is a ritual exorcism as the celebration of mass and is not all the time, only in the case of a true demonic possession,” recalled that during his 11 years Exorcist “still do not feel any, I have found very damaged people with terrible events, but events have not found that I do see there is a demonic possession.”

      The opening of the congress which takes place in the Poliforum Siqueiros was led by Auxiliary Bishop of the Archdiocese of Mexico, Armando Cruz Colin, who found that drug trafficking is one of the signs of the presence of “evil” in our society.

      For this congress have developed two programs: one for doctors, psychiatrists and lay people who attend group healing, liberation priests or exorcists, the other is for priests and seminarians who participate in various rituals to expel the demon or healing influences wrong people.

      Both workshops will be presented the latest advances and discoveries in the field of struggle against “evil” and its influences, it will feature the prestigious priest Gabriele Nanni, trainer of exorcists in Rome, and the priest Ernesto María Caro Vice President of the International Association of Exorcists, including religious.

      Congress attendees from all dioceses in the country came in about 9:00 hours to complete the formalities of registration, submit the letter from the pastor that endorses their participation and share of recovery of 600 billion pesos in Congress that will last until 19 August.

      While he was trained for registration, the priest of the Diocese of Irapuato Cuevas Moses stressed the importance of participating in this conference, “because all priests must assist people who are disturbed and damaged by spells and witchcraft, all that there is much There are many, and we are not stopping as it should be all that many people damaged by spells, witchcraft and superstition and a thousand things ”

      Gandarilla Maggy, who is a psychologist and supports exorcist priests, said: “I have found in practice many, many people who venture into things esoteric, occult, satanería, spiritualism and affects their psychological state.

      “Unfortunately on the rise because more people have lost faith and trust in our Lord and seeking the support of esoteric issues, will make them clean, to believe in amulets, even get paid to make them work witchcraft and stuff. “

      Aug 19, 2010 at 12:19 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Sid
      Sid

      Bribery is a serious accusation. And it was leveled by an organization with a long history of entitlement and feeling (and being) above the law. Having someone hold the Catholic Church accountable for its defamation might be just the ticket.

      Aug 19, 2010 at 1:18 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Mike in Asheville, nee "in Brooklyn"
      Mike in Asheville, nee "in Brooklyn"

      @ Author JD

      Do a little research about Mexico BEFORE opining about political/religion/social aspects of Mexican life. After the president of Mexico, the mayor of Mexico City is the most influential Mexican politician. In Mexico, making a public claim of a high crime such as bribery by the mayor of Mexico City to Justices of the Mexican Supreme Court is a very serious matter. Its not about hurt feelings and/or restoring reputation, the claims against the mayor seriously impair his office and the offices of the Justices. These claims jeopardize the ability for government functions to continue in an orderly fashion.

      As has been seen in Spain, Portugal, and Argentina, the citizenry are standing up to the hypocritical anti-Christian stances of the Catholic Church.

      Lets trust that the man who has forged equality for Mexico’s LGBT community, in his hometown of Mexico City, and for al of Mexico, who leads his party and is in position to become the next president of Mexico, knows how to manage his political affairs better than some armchair political-activist on some US gay blog.

      Aug 19, 2010 at 1:41 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Mike L.
      Mike L.

      I watched an interview he did last night on CNN en espanol and he basically said that this can’t go unchallenged basically for all the reasons Mike in Ashville said, plus the fact that another person from the church in Mexico city was inciting catholics not to vote for a certain party which is against the law since they have separation of church and state and they have to inforce the laws.

      Aug 19, 2010 at 2:04 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Bill Perdue
      Bill Perdue

      This is the inevitable result of clerical interference in civil affairs: Mexican Cardinal Javier Lozano Barragan, president of the Pontifical Council for Pastoral Health, speaking about Africa, “I think by now we’ve said everything that’s to be said regarding our position on condoms…What we need to look at are comprehensive practices like those in Uganda which reduced AIDS infections through faithfulness and abstinence.”

      There are roughly 1.1 million people living with HIV in Uganda, which includes 120,000 children. An estimated 61,000 people died from AIDS in 2008 and 1.2 million children have been orphaned by Uganda’s devastating epidemic. http://www.avert.org/aids-uganda.htm

      Religion is the enemy.

      Religion is a form of insanity composed of equal parts of greed, superstition and ignorance that comes howling straight out of the Dark Ages.

      Religion is humankinds greatest tragedy.

      Aug 19, 2010 at 2:14 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • dave
      dave

      Of course they should sue for defamation. These childfuckers have been spreading hateful lies for years; this time, they were fucking stupid enough to resort to an actionable lie.

      Nail them to the wall.

      Aug 19, 2010 at 4:19 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Josefina Saucedo
      Josefina Saucedo

      @dave: Marcelo Ebrard is a fagot, how can he claim that he is enforcing the law if he is a fugitive of the law? When he was chief of police in México City he did nothing to protect a couple of guys that were tortured and killed by a riot. Back then he was found guilty, but wasn’t punished by political reasons. Do you trsut Marcelo? Sorry but i don’t

      Aug 19, 2010 at 5:58 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Josefina Saucedo
      Josefina Saucedo

      @Bill Perdue: Marcelo Ebrard should sponsor legislation that would allow children adopted by fagots and lesbians sue Mexico City by the psicological damage that they would inflict to these poor children.

      Aug 19, 2010 at 6:04 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Joe
      Joe

      @Josefina Saucedo: First of all, learn to spell. Second, instead of advocating that children should sue the government for allowing gays to adopt them, maybe you should ask yourself what you are doing trolling a gay website? Does your wife or girlfriend know that you take it up the ass in public washrooms?

      Aug 19, 2010 at 7:17 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Gabriel
      Gabriel

      I totally agree with Marcelo Ebrad suing and I don’t see that as a waste of time. Mexico has been really tolerant with the Catholic Church interfering with politics, which is prohibit by the aricle 130 of the Mexican Constitution that states:

      “Religious ministers may not associate for political purposes or proselytize in favor or against a candidate, political party or association. Nor may in public meeting, in acts of worship, religious propaganda or publications of religious nature, oppose the laws of the country or its institutions, nor offend in any way the patriotic symbols”.

      The central point of all this,is that the cardinal Sandoval Iñiguez made an accusation without any proof and when the Mayor asked for the evidences, the prelate simply answered “check the bank account of ministers of the court”, with this statement is clearly understood that the cardinal just speculated and is offending the highest institutions of the country,although you agreed or not with their decision

      Other huge sin committed by the Mexican Catholic Church is that through the weekly magazine “Desde la Fe” (From Faith) called the left wing party PRD a threat to the Mexican Families and appeal the readers not to vote for that party nor any other parties that support the same sex-marriages and that these could adopt. Is clear as the water that the church violated the constitution.

      If Mexico is a rule of law Sate, as president Calderon recalls every time that he defends his failure war against the drug gangs. I think is time that the church gets punished like everyone else that breaks the law. Until now the Interior Ministry (Secretaria de Gobernación) has not yet taken a position of this controversy, but if they are consequent with their discourse they have to sanction or drawn attention to the church for violation of the Constitution.

      By the way I’m a Catholic and attend Mass every Sunday, but that doesn’t mean that I should agree in everything that the clerics do or say and above all ignore the misconduct done by these.

      Aug 19, 2010 at 7:43 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Bill Perdue
      Bill Perdue

      @Josefina Saucedo: Who let you out of the sty.

      Aug 19, 2010 at 9:13 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • TruAgape
      TruAgape

      @Josefina Saucedo: The psychological damage, my friend, is the damage done when homosexual children raised by homophobic hetrosexual parents inflict the living HELL on them by a) encouraging them to marry someone of the opposite sex hence creating two miserable people in “holy” matrimony or b) forcing them to adapt to the inhumae man-made lifestyle of FORCED SINGLENESS in the name of YOUR religion. All the while you blissfully and selfishly go about satisfying your own fleshly appetite in screwing the living daylights out of your wife – getting by with describing it as “your calling”. What a HEARTLESS, RELIGIOUSLY BLINDED ANIMAL your remarks reveal you as! You hypocrite!

      If you have a biblical position regarding your comments then fine lets discuss it, right here and right now. However, if you do not, and prefer to merely be a mole popping your head out of it’s hole, like the so-called “Christians” who hope we don’t know the scriptual and historical facts about this subject, then I donn’t mind playing “Whack-A_Mole” and using the mallet of Truth to bop your jack-in-the-box method of intrusion right back into the whole it came out of!

      I’m sorry but I am so sick and tired of letting people like you go unchallenged and unchecked! SICK OF IT!!! So bring it! Put all of your cards, your issues, your beliefs, your so-called “facts”, your history birng it all and put it on the table and lets let Truth be the reveal you as the hateful bigot your are and/or the ignorant oest you prefer!!

      Aug 20, 2010 at 1:28 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • TruAgape
      TruAgape

      @Josefina Saucedo: The psychological damage, my friend, is the damage done when homosexual children raised by homophobic hetrosexual parents inflict the living HELL on them by a) encouraging them to marry someone of the opposite sex hence creating two miserable people in “holy” matrimony or b) forcing them to adapt to the inhumae man-made lifestyle of FORCED SINGLENESS in the name of YOUR religion. All the while you blissfully and selfishly go about satisfying your own fleshly appetite in screwing the living daylights out of your wife – getting by with describing it as “your calling”. What a HEARTLESS, RELIGIOUSLY BLINDED ANIMAL your remarks reveal you as! You hypocrite!

      If you have a biblical position regarding your comments then fine lets discuss it, right here and right now. However, if you do not, and prefer to merely be a mole popping your head out of it’s hole, like the so-called “Christians” who hope we don’t know the scriptual and historical facts about this subject, then I donn’t mind playing “Whack-A_Mole” and using the mallet of Truth to bop your jack-in-the-box method of intrusion right back into the whole it came out of!

      I’m sorry but I am so sick and tired of letting people like you go unchallenged and unchecked! SICK OF IT!!! So bring it! Put all of your cards, your issues, your beliefs, your so-called “facts”, your history bring it all and put it on the table and lets let Truth reveal you as the hateful bigot you are and/or the ignorant pest you prefer to be!!

      Aug 20, 2010 at 1:32 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • horus
      horus

      @Josefina Saucedo: vaya a su iglesia y aspire el pene de Cristo. entonces masturbate con el crucifijo.

      Aug 20, 2010 at 11:07 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Josefina Saucedo
      Josefina Saucedo

      @TruAgape: Truagape, if fagots and lesbians should be able to sue their homophobic heterosexual parents for making their lives miserable, why children adopted by fagots and lesbians shouldn’t be able to sue Mexico city and/or Marcelo Ebrard for the psychological damage inflicted to them?
      Let’s pretend you’are gay and your homophobic heterosexual parents made your life miserable by forcing you to marry someone from the opposite sex. Then you are gay and have an additional issue, to the best of my knowledge teenage marriages are illegal. If you were already an adult why you kept receiving orders from your parents?
      The point is that Marcelo Ebrard is not giving the option to the orphan children adopted by fagots and lesbians to choose between being adopted by a gay couple or by a normal couple. If he’s not giving this option, at least he should allow them to sue Mexico city for the Psicological damage inflicted to them. Got it?

      Aug 20, 2010 at 1:33 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • TruAgape
      TruAgape

      @Josefina Saucedo: Before I pick up my metophoric mallet and respond to you, please elaborate on your understanding of the “damage” done against children raised by gay parents.

      Aug 20, 2010 at 7:10 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Joe
      Joe

      @Josefina Saucedo: LEARN to SPELL for Christ’s sake. It’s “psychological” NOT ‘psicological’. You know, just like PSYCHO. Not only are your posts bigoted, you’re an ignorant fool who needs more education.

      Aug 21, 2010 at 12:07 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Pablo
      Pablo

      100% with Ebrad, sue the Cardinal, his place is not in politics, unless he wants to leave his material comfort as Cardinal and then run for office, but should not hide behind the cloth.

      Aug 21, 2010 at 8:41 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • mario cuniglio
      mario cuniglio

      The CC should sue his (the Mayor’s)pants off! Only figuratively, of course.

      Oct 1, 2011 at 3:07 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·

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