Hmmm. This reminds me of when Hilary Duff claimed to be bi. It's already completely forgotten she ever claimed it. Vanessa Carleton has been with no one but guys forever, so I guess the entertainers can always claim these things. Maybe she saw herself in the mirror and fell in love. THAT wouldn't be hard. Just saying. 8P

It is just an annoying thing that female celebrities seem to be doing lately.

Most likely it is a selling point for straight males.

It certainly is not a way to help the LGBTQ community.

@Blake J: Oh, come on. If her intent was to market herself to straight males, she'd have to be an idiot to have made the announcement at *Pride* of all places.

Well, I'm happy to hear it. Another person to add to our growing list out celebrities. As long as it's truthful, anyways.

I still remember when her song and video came out for "A thousand miles", memories of life back then…

Good for her I guess? I could never date a bisexual guy though. It would just be too..umm weird. Whenever I hear the song 'A Thousand Miles', I automatically think of the movie 'White Chicks'.lol

@Blake J
I think that is extremely unfair invalidating her sexuality along with other "trending" celebrities. Bisexuals ACTUALLY exist, deal with it. Don't speak for everyone when you believe one of us Bi's are just using it for some fucked up status boost. I for one am extremely proud to have Anna Paquin to have a voice for me as a fellow Bisexual Kiwi, and I don't take kindly to ill opinions that invalidate that pride. We certainly do not have a privileged existence, we fight the same battles and then some. So don't you dare write vanessa's sexuality off as mere sex appeal to hetero's, then act like we don't have a right or a hand in LGBT rights, lest you forget the "B" in "LGBT".
And @M
I'm not fussed about being outside of your tastes, but its a pretty valid fear to be rejected by BOTH camps because of your bisexuality. I love men the same way you do, but I certainly would never reject a gay man for being "tooo into men." If I loved you, my capacity for loving women would be irrelevant, I'd love you for you. We aren't weird. We are queer too :)

@KWil:

You're right, of course, but I think you're dismissing the possibility that this is still a publicity stunt. I mean, we haven't heard from this girl in years. Maybe she is playing up some crush from her ballet days that she may or may not be inclined to repeat.

I know it is unreasonable to expect people to have proven their orientation before claiming it. It's as bad as parents asking their homo-erotic kids if they could at least try to be straight before they decide, like there aren't millions of straight virgins who still know they're straight.

But, it's kind of a bigger deal in this case, perhaps BECAUSE she came out at PRIDE.

For what it's worth, I believe Anna. Dunno why.
It just seems like she didn't really have any other reason to say it when she did besides it being true. I mean, she is at the top of her game right now.

I'm not convinced about Vanessa, though, and I think we have the right to be skeptical without being accused of bigotry.

I personally would withold judgement until we learn more about someone. To me, the instant reaction of holding the possibility of a publicity stunt is as unhelpful to the bisexual sub-community as "faking it" is to the whole LGBT community. The LGBT community doesnt really suffer until somebody is actually exposed as a faker. So why must bisexuals suffer being publicly doubted and from the get go. I'm coming out to people who give me this bullshit the minute I feel brave enough to tell them. I know how it feels to recieve this, I'm not faking, having other people tell you your sexuality is a lie hurts. I just don't like to think they have a "right" hold that to me. sorry, but it sucks! I'd rather they questioned me when they knew enough about my feelings. I know you are coming from a "bisexual celebrity" perspective, but I (and other bi's) personally experience a miniaturization of the public's rejecting attitude of them. Thats why it feels biphobic, because the constant questioning of validity is almost inherent to our sexuality. It hinges itself on the misconception that our lifestyle is an appealing, "transitional", or chooseable one.

Do you know how HARD it is to explain to your religious mom that Bisexuality is NOT a choice!!! hahaha, because if you know how to easily, please fortheloveofspongebob call me!!!

@KWil:
I imagine it's just as hard as telling her that homosexuality is not a choice. Something I have experience with.

Ok, I see where you're coming from.

It's not fair to make the assumptions I did.

Dunno. I wouldn't feel as strongly if this was just in an interview, but what is the context of this?

Was she really so overcome with LGBT pride that she just spontaneously came out?

Did she join the PRIDE tour with the intention of coming out at some point?

I just don't understand it, and that makes me suspicious.

I want to clarify that I do believe bisexuality exists. That's not what this is about. I don't happen to know of any bis personally (as far as I know). I think I might have a little more interest in women than I used to, so I kind of get it a little. I have no reason to doubt that the people I chat/post with on forums/entries like these are telling the truth about their desires and feelings.

Really, I don't even know what else to say. I can't tell you not to take it personally. You feel what you feel. I'm sorry for that. It must really suck to be hurt by this kind of speculation.

I guess being bi is a little different from being gay in this. I can't think of a comparable scenario to try to empathize. So I'm shutting up on it.

Whether she is or isn't is none of my concern anyway, and does not hinge on my belief in her.

Vanessa who?

Oh please! Not another 'bisexual' female singer. Not that i know her.

Oh, go away, Vanessa. We in the GLBT community do NOT want you on our side. With your stereotypical sultry poses and long, flowing hair, you belong with the sleazy straight guy club. Stay away from us, you're pathetic.

Does anyone else think these women are trying to be "trendy" rather than genuine? I mean, you never see them dating other women. Whenever they're dating someone, it's a man. It just strikes me as being a confected sort of thing that's tailored towards trendiness.

Also, with these so-called "bisexual" women, notice how the men they're dating never seem to be bisexual. It's only the woman who's bisexual. Interesting, isn't it?

Alternatively, think about the possibility that a lot of these women are being instructed by their agents to declare their "bisexuality" so as to get media coverage. If that's the case, it most certainly is not helpful to the GLBT cause.

The bisexual orientation exists in men and women but the problem with women is that they tend to use their overall sexuality as a marketing ploy. Women will say and do things sexual-wise that have an ulterior motive.

In other words, women will use their sexuality to get ahead in the world, to obtain some sort of economic advantage etc etc. Men, on the other hand, will have sex in order to achieve sexual satisfaction. Men are very honest in this regard.

Therefore, we in the GLBT community need to call these women out. The best way to do it would be to ask them if their boyfriends are bisexual too.

Vanessa, have you ever dated a bisexual man?

@jason:

Speak for yourself, you misogynistic biphobe. Must you troll the web insulting every woman who comes out as bisexual?!? Get over it, it's getting tired.

Did she mean to say "bisexual" or "attention whore"?

DR,

Well, it's undeniable that there's a flood of public relations stunt-oriented women in desperate need of media attention to prop up their fading careers. I thought the media lesbians were the worst until all these "bisexual" women started coming out of the closet looking like Hugh Hefner-approved clones.

My experience is that bisexual women are actually quite homophobic. How is that the case? These women see their bisexuality as a means of pleasing straight guys who will often use them to recruit other women for threesomes. The straight guy will financially support her in return.

I knew one bi woman who said she would never go out with a bisexual man. A lot of the bisexual women who do straight porn will refuse point blank to work with a known bisexual man in their scenes.

We shouldn't embrace these women at all.

Sorry but I'm not buying this bisexuality shtick of women. They've hopped on the bandwagon to get some sort of media status or attention designed to enhance their record sales.

When there are at least the same number of men declaring their bisexuality as are women, only then will I believe there is a level playing field that isn't based on an exploitative double standard. Until then, girls, you'll just have to put up with our cynicism.

The sad thing about all of the negative comments is that it has become typical….

This is one of the reasons, and a big reason, celebrities don't come out publicly. They virtually no support when they do. They get accused of having some ulterior motive. They almost have more support from straights than they do Gays… especially the cynical and bitter Queen community.

I just don't see the point in announcing to the world that you like peanuts if no one's ever going to see you eating them.

All of these "bisexual" women who've "come out" recently seem to be attached to guys everywhere and never a woman. Coincidence?

Don't get pissy at the bisexual women who have balls to declare their same sex attraction. So, what…should lesbians/female bisexuals NOT come out until male homosexuality/bisexuality is statistically and socially aligned with the female side? RME.

Shut up Jason. You're such a damn cartoon. I'm appalled that Queerity hasn't banned your IP yet. You contribute nothing useful here.

The balls to declare her bisexuality? LOL. It doesn't take balls at all, honey. Certainly not for a woman. It takes balls for a man. That's because men have to put up with a greater stigma than women.

You only have to look at the number of "bisexual" women who perform lesbian acts for the men's magazines to see that women do it to accommodate a man's fetish. It's about his fetish more than it is her orientation. These women serve patriarchy rather than challenge it.

I'm getting to the point where I'm going to start advocating that we kick bisexual women out of the GLBT movement. They're useless. All they do is trivialize our sexuality and serve patriarchy. You're not wanted, so fuck off.

Hilarious,

Good point about these so-called bisexual women in the entertainment industry. They're never seen to be in a relationship with a woman, only a man.

You have to wonder as to what they mean by "bisexual".

Cool, I for onw would have a hard time dating someone who is bi, not b/c I don't believe it (I do), but b/c the competition for his love would double! That is the only reason, can I compete against other men AND women. It sorta makes you feel even more pressure than say just competing with one group of ppl, also the fact that what he could find in a girl I may not have at all (not talking about genetals here, but other things that may be intangible about a person).

Good for her, women are very fortunate to be able to come out with little negative consequences(even if it's b/c the male heterosexual pigs sexualize them too much-epsecially if they're as beautiful as Ms. Carlton is).

Kwil and Vox,

I am not against genuine bisexual women per se. However,I am against women who claim to be bisexual as part of a strategy of getting media attention and of appealing to men who generally crap on our rights.

I refer to it as the Jerry Springer effect. Jerry Springer used to have an assortment of guests on his show. Every time there was a lesbian or bi woman on his show, his warm-up man would get the crowd to cheer and holler their approval. Every time there was a gay or bi man, the same warm-up man would encourage the crowd to boo.

I notice anyone who said anything less than glowing about Vanessa Carlton got a thumbs down rating. Too funny.

Who is this woman and why should I care?

In other words, women will use their sexuality to get ahead in the world, to obtain some sort of economic advantage etc etc

@Jason
You hit it dead on the head. Women like to claim victim hood in order to gain economic status in society. They use their sexuality as an advantage. I don't blame them though. This world is cold to the touch. And you have to do what is needed to survive. If you read about Karren steffans (Superhead) And how she used being a video vixen and a hooker to write a book about all the famous celebs she slept with in order to bank off of her trials. You have a major sea of pop singers today claiming to be bisexual. Its a marketing ploy in order to satisfy both heterosexual and homosexual markets. This is why I tell LGBQT to part from feminism. They are only out to further the dominance of women. They are not seeking equality at all. Just responsibility with not accountability.

Example: Take a look at hip hop rapper Nikki Minaj. She is a lesbian rapper who appeals to heterosexual fetishes. She is in a genre of music who vilifies homosexuals yet she is highly anticipated for her album release.

If a known male rapper today decides to come out of the closet he has to watch his back and front. And he can forget about continuing a rap career. This right here shows you how liberated women are. This is not a womans battle anymore. You have your freedom, its up to the males to grab ours, so step ladies…..

Knowning the homophobia hip hop produces yet a female emcee can show her true colors and still be adored is because she appeals to heterosexual culture.

These type of ladies do nothing for the LGBT cause. And you can thumbs down my comments all you like. Truth is truth, and you can't hide it like the sun.

Wow the response to this is total bs. I'm a long time VC fan and if you knew anything about her you'd realise how stupid some of these comments are.
If she's says she's bi I'm inclined to believe it rather than see it as some publicity stunt given her stance on women in music (btw she's basically the opposite of a madonna, gaga, x-tina type), the lyrics she writes, the kind of music she makes, the way she's chosen to go with her career etc. She's not a woman who's just concerned with selling as many albums as she can regardless of the cost, she does have a great deal of integrity.

Seriously you need to actually find something out about the person you're talking about before you start generalising and slagging them off, genuinely bisexual women do exist outside of straight men's fantasies and for all you know she's one of them.

Some of the comments on this site make me embarassed to be a gay man sometimes, the stupidity is rampant.

While I agree that bisexuality in women may often be just for straight guys, I believe and respect V.C. in this case: saying it at a pride would reach mostly just other LGBT's and is trying to help the community.

I can't believe this. Almost EVERY post from number 10 downwards are just plain fucking upsetting to read as one seemingly solitary Bisexual person. You have no idea how unfair your treatments of bisexuality are. Almost ALL of your comments about as misconceived and attacking of one's sexuality as practically any religious organisation. You call us choosing, attention obsessed, invalid, fake, ultimately you condemn us to your own made up hell outside of the queer community.

You all seem to have NO idea what it is like to read this as somebody who actually identifies with bisexuality. How on earth can you bring yourselves, a fellow suffered culture, to actually slander somebody "different" than yourselves.

You all have made NO distinction between fakers and bisexual women. in fact, a number of you just used to term "bisexual" to directly signify being fake. Some of you claim to understand and love "genuine" bisexuals, yet you have already in your minds classified and discriminated us, how the fuck do I transition from a "fake ass" to a "genuine" Bisexual to any of you. What must one do?

We do not validate our sexuality by proving a history with both sexes for all to see and agree. We don't deserve to be placed in a box of doubt, of instant questioning. We do not pride ourselves on sexual objectivity, a Bi-Girl doesn't inherently love/need attention, a Bi-Guy can't even get a fucking date with most of you.
Nobody has any right to stick this woman in a box yet. Nobody. Questioning her choice of coming out at pride is so futile. You are not in her head. she doesn't need to whip out a double-ended dildo on stage and prove herself to you with a girl. From my point of view, Pride is a fucking MOTIVATING environment to come out.
I mean seriously, the night I came out was when Lady Gaga told me that "tonight was the night I can be exactly who I want to be" at a Monster Ball, it was my own Pride march. I decided I wanted to be free of the closet. Didnt think I would look back, but look what happens to us the second we do come out. Look what has happened to Vanessa by your very own hands. Fear, doubt and rejection.
Go on and tell me not to take this personally, but this is a blog for Lesbian, Gay, Bisexuals, and Transgendered people. The issues and stories are not supposed to be mere celebrity politics, this IS personal. If I can't get you to look outside your identity as one letter in the LGBT acronym, I cant get you to understand the things we each suffer in our differences and likenesses. And while you can't understand, I can't bear to hear you offer your two cents on the Bi-tribe. Its not fair, and it's also not fitting with the ideals we have made for the betterment of the whole queer community.

In short. Please give her a break, she has nothing to prove to you bar her own honesty. Honesty can be tarnished, but it should not be dismissed from the start. So quit being scared of what yo' momma told you bout us Bi's, start listening to us instead.

In short. Please give her a break, she has nothing to prove to you bar her own honesty.

If she has nothing to prove why don't she keep those bisexual statements to herself. I'm looking for progress in male sexuality. Could careless about an already liberated sex.

I don't need to claim who's faking it or who's real. Take a look at society, who's burried in the closet more?

Who's sexuality gives them an advantage?

Who's sexuality is more liberated?

The answers for these questions tells us that another female coming out is useless to our cause at this point. Especially if she's bisexual, who cares, Its the new trend for women now.

Wow, sexist much? A lot of you keep saying that women use bisexuality as a maketing ploy and that men are much better than to do that. Umm, no. Men don't do it because of…MEN.

(Most) Straight men are seen as open or even find bisexuality hot in a woman so woman get away with saying it. Male celebrities on the other hand can't usually get away with saying it as other men don't accept it.

I agree that it's disgusting when any celebrity claims to be something they are not, but stop saying it's ALL women and all our fault. It's the fame whores and they exist in BOTH genders.

No one is saying its women's fault at all. Your getting the message wrong. There you go placing women in the victim catagory again. Women are liberated sexually. Its time for men to fight for equal play. This is not about sexism. This is about the mere obvious struggles you see in society.

Just the other day my mother was saying how disgusted she is when two men kiss on screen. But when I asked her about women she said, Ah who cares, their just having fun. Your sexuality is not demonized like males are. This is the point of my message. The real battle is to liberate males and their sexuality.

Even blind people can see the stigma is towards male sexuality. We are viewed as predators, abusers, pedofiles, the works…..

I even read a news report of a male pedo dressing as a women in order to get close to children. And guess what, HE COMPLETED THAT MISSION!

Take a look at the documentary outrage. Who is the main politicians they outed in that film

ALL MALES!

WHY IS THAT? Cause females have no need to be in the closet anymore.

Just the other day I seen an add outside my home which said

MAN UP FREE HIV TESTS!

And guess who's picture they put right by that……

YEP a black man……

What you obviously don't realise is that your view is Bi-phobic regardless of gender. We shouldn't have to prove our VALIDITY. That is not a call to arms to shut us up. You are depriving us of validity in our own orientation entirely, can you stop selfishly preaching your "causes" as a homosexual male (I'm assuming so) at the detriment of bisexuals. Since when did LGBT all of a sudden become just G.

Stop linking Bisexuality with the word TREND for chrissakes! I don't care if you exclusively mean females, you wouldn't survive one goddamn minute amongst women with this view. It's disgusting! You do NOTHING for Bi-Men seperately. Don't be fooled for one second that I, as a male, personally would accept Bi-phobia as a combatant to Homophobia. Don't be fooled that any Bisexual would. Are we really THAT expendable to you for your "cause"!?
We don't need your derision to "equal" out gendered power. If you didn't notice, we are all supposed to be on the same side.
But if all you can do is sniff for fake in the Bisexual community, then I sir cannot your ally.

@KWIL: Most of the posts here devaluing women's bisexuality are by one person [Jason] and his various alter-egos. Ignore him. On any thread concerning bi-women he will obsessively post using the same stock phrases over and over.

Until he is institutionalized or Queerty decides to boot him, we're stuck with his vicious rants.

Revemupman.
As a male bisexual. Your treatment of female bisexuals makes me sick. it does nothing for us. I will burn myself alive the day I believe Bi-Phobia should EVER be acceptable in any amount as a combatant to Homophobia. I don't care about gender, NO bisexual is expendable for your "cause."

Last time I checked, we were all supposed to be working together for an LGBT cause. But as long as you believe in rejection and militancy to balance out gender powers at the expense of any of us, I refuse to be your ally. You want equality, don't step over your friends to get there.

Your right you shouldn't have to prove the validity of your life ventures at all. The fact is I'm tired of seeing women liberation everywhere in the media. Its overshadowing the true cause of EQUALITY. Gay suicide with males is a MUCH higher rate than females. Men are not accepted to bear femininity yet women can easily blend in masculinity. The problem stems from male sexuality having rules, while in the words of rapper young dro "My girl gotta girlfriend" mentality which seems to be the new trend of hollywood today.

And hollywood only cateres to the vain in all of us. So I don't blame anyone from there at all.

@counterpoll: Right. Jason and his alters say the same thing in every thread. They hate 1)Blacks 2)bisexuals 3)Liberals, in the order…why are you on this site again Jason?

This is why guys don't come out as bisexual. Look what readers did to Mike Manning and the politician from Philly and even the NAGAAA issues. You (gay men) even treat bisexual men like dirt. The lesbian community is a lot more progressive when it comes to sexuality, which may also be why women are more comfortable admitting bisexuality. They don't vilify women for it the same way gay men vilify it!

By the time we wake up tomorrow, Jason and his sock-puppets will have once again derailed numerous threads on Queerty. He appears to have these cycles when he can no longer control himself and his rage cannot be contained.

But hey, I forgot to say WELCOME to Ms Carlton.

@KWil: The B gets treated just as badly as the T in this supposed "GLBT" happy family.

sexual deviancy is rampant in this world.too many sexually inverted anti-couples faking sexual belonging and naturalness.the psycho-physical understanding of mono-sexuality and di-sexuality is very hidden,in its place, very skillfully, the social version is strongly enforced.as a consequence, many homosexuals without any psycho-physical understanding of the mechanisms taking place have become ironically sexual deviants(socially but not physically)that avoid sexual deviancy(physical).this occurs because by DESIGN asymmetric insemination requires ones to experience sexual deviancy.as a result,most males emit "sodomy"(output) and absorb "lesbianism"(input).a good mathematical model of this can be constructed showing the run-off(weathering) and blending of both branches of homosexuality as they are eroded by varying different parameters such as sexual dimorphism and plotting emission(output)vs absorption(input).Bottom line is, careful with those males with the ability to feel(excite) and consume other sorts of organ's discharges and reject those of their own kind.the social version call those of this type non-sexual deviant/inverts(aka straights),but make no mistake,males of this sort are the actual PSYCHO-PHYSICAL sexual deviants to the core, and yes, depraved as hell as well.these are the ones who pretend to teach morality to the eternally Moral ones,the HOMOS and the HOMOSEXUALS.

@Gilber:
The more I'm trying to understand what the fuck you're saying, the more my brain hurts.

Here comes the "bisexual" rampage. It's really not that serious. Chill the fuck out.

The term "bi-phobic" makes me giggle. No seriously.

Bisexuality is like the last thing on anyone's mind, there's not enough care there to assume anyone has a phobia. I can assure you they don't.

Wow, how did I know that on this subject all of the assholes were going to crawl out of the cracks and say shit like:

"I don't know if bisexuality is real"

"She's doing it for attention and straight guys"

"Bi's are wishy washy"

"Why do bisexual women all have boyfirends?"

"Bi's wanna have it both ways"

"Bi's are lying".

It's like playing biphobia bingo with queerty commenters.

My attitude towards bisexual females is gleaned from real-world observations, and not from a knee-jerk reaction. Here is what I've found in relation to many bisexual females, especially those in the entertainment industry:

a) They are almost always in relationships with men. You hardly, if ever, see them in a relationship with a woman.

b) They often refuse to date bisexual men.

When you combine a and b, it's patently obviously that the true homophobes are these bisexual women.

Also, if you look at the bisexual women who perform porn, many of them are horrifically homophobic towards gay or bisexual men. They will often refuse to work with any man who has ever had a male-male experience.

There is a black-list in the "straight" porn industry in relation to bisexual men, and much of this can be attributed to the homophobia of these bisexual women. I urge you to check it out.

Facts are facts, and it's a fact that many of these bisexual women are exceptionally homophobic.

DR,

The reason more men don't come out as bi is because women conspire against male bisexuality. Refere to my illustration of the bisexual women in porn who often denigrate bisexual men and refuse point blank to work with them. The same attitude has spread to the mainstream.

If anything, I think we in the GLBT community need to weed out the women who use their sexuality – including bisexuality – as a marketing ploy. These women are hugely damaging to our movement.

Let's keep the GLBT community an orientation movement, and not something that is exploited by women who are marketing themselves in ways that don't really help us.

It’s a trend that is unlikely to dissipate, but one may have to brace themselves for the next series of revelations and behaviors as America fuels its appetite for the forbidden.

http://scallywagandvagabond.co.....-bisexual/

No-one is treating bisexuality with disrespect. What I am doing is treating a certain group of FEMALES who use bisexuality as a marketing ploy in order to elevate themselves to some special hallowed ground reserved only for "hot bisexual females with straight male approval".

The GLBT community needs to be more discerning in how it treats women – especially in the entertainment industy – who claim to be lesbians or bisexual. This is necessary because women are known to use their sexuality as a ploy rather than as a genuine expression of their inner selves.

One of my best friends is a genuine bisexual female, by the way.

Revemupman,

Your post no. 30 perfectly illustrates how a certain type of woman – lesbian or bi – is accommodating the fetishes of sleazy straight guys who are very homophobic towards the concept of gay rights in general.

@missanthrope:

Not to dismiss biphobia from gays, but posters like Jason make valid points. There are bisexual women, in porn and in the mainstream, who are unfairly prejudiced against bi and gay men, and there are lots of cheap whores who "come out" as bisexual for publicity and to titillate straight male fans, but then do nothing to contribute to the movement and continue to mistreat others. Female bisexuality is "safer", in society and media: some of the most uptight, homophobic males will admit to finding the idea of two girls together arousing, and TV networks regularly throw out a female same-sex kiss when they're desperate for ratings. It goes to how our society views gender and sexuality: if a girl's with another girl it's innocent and sexy and maybe they'll let you join in or at least watch. A girl is deemed more likely to "grow out of it". But if a guy ever, even just once, does so much as kiss another guy, he is forever and irrevocably gay; the closest comparison to this bizarre double-standard would be the one-drop rule regarding blackness in America: . A "bi" girl is just seen as a slut or attention whore at the worst, or as the new, "empowered", and sexy woman. But a bi guy is seen as a fag in denial.

@Jason

Exactly, the battle is within males perception of sexual encounters. Women are already liberated by both genders. This is a battle within our own gender. Women are no of no importence in this chapter of subject.

This is the message I'm trying to convey. But everyone on here seems to vilify my argument by saying I'm Biphobic or a women hater. I could careless about womens issues cause you barely have any besides abortion……

Lets face it, the cards are not in favor of males sexuality. Even heterosexual women find our sexuality disgusting. This is the issue, why are men demonized?

Revemupman,

Good point about how outing seems to be reserved for males only.

Also, have you noticed how the derogatory expression "down low", used to describe black bisexual men, is reserved only for the males? Why aren't bisexual black women described as being on the "down low" too?

The answer is obvious. Bisexuality in females is admired by the patriarchy, and thus mustn't be denigrated.

@jason: I don't think the best way to prove your theory of the phobia of the general population towards bisexual males is to use female porn whores as an example and extrapolate their points of view to the general population. Just sayin'…

@jason: Outing is reserved for males because it's male politicians that bash gays and end up being gay themselves…our elected politicians also tend to be overwhelmingly male so there's a whole lot more of them to out…men to be more sexually depraved than women as well. Your points don't make any sense whatsoever and just come across as stupidly misogynistic…stop embarrassing yourself and us Jason.

James from Cambridge,

A lot of people draw conclusions on human sexuality from porn. What happens in porn eventually percolates to the mainstream. These "female porn whores" need to be taken seriously because they are contributing to the bisexual double standard that we now see.

@jason:

Unless and until you have solid proof that Ms. Paquin or Ms. Carlton or any other bisexual female celeb (besides Tila Tequila, who we all know is not quite right) have any hidden agenda which exists outside of your biphobic, misogynistic conspiracy theories, you need to stop trolling the boards with your venom.

Revemupman,

We also need to fight female marketing.

@jason + his sock-puppet cheering party: Get some professional help, please. If you're already getting help, get better help.

The signs of total psychological and cognitive melt-down are in full evidence in your posts.

I'm worried for you + about you.

I stand by my belief that there's no such thing as Bisexuality. It is a farce and a pretense for gay men and women to double dip and hide in public view. This woman is not bisexual and she's seeking attention to increase her sales. It's a travesty and should not be tolerated by the GLTQ community.

@Truth: You stand wrong. Yeah, some celebrities say they're bi to increase their moola and cred. We all know that. Extrapolating this rather rarefied crowd into every bisexual woman ever is where you head into bigotland. It's easier to just call them all liars, than to try to integrate a new idea and risk a headache.

If you don't want to tolerate them, why should anyone else tolerate you?

@counterpoll: Well, either he's a nineteenth century psychology professor with schizophrenia caused by the time warp that deposited him here, or he's tripping. I have no idea which, though.

Vanessa is not a Lady Gaga, or a Katy Perry, or a Ke$ha; you will never see her sell her soul for attention, something that those other three are pretty known for.

Vanessa has never been one to use sex or controversy to help her career; she is more a musician than she is a celebrity and I think she likes it that way. She usually shies away from fame, so I'm sure coming out was a pretty big deal to her and not just a publicity stunt.

Many people here should do a little research about Ms. Carlton before accusing her of being just one more in the sea of fauxsexual pop stars.

JASON and REVEMUPMAN, you two are right on. The truth you speak typically is misunderstood by the lazy majority.

It does not matter if these ladies are gimmicks or not……

If they are accepted in mainstream culture in hollywood. Then they are recognized in society as social norm/trend. Which means another step towards WOMEN LIB!

I'm not looking for those anymore. Its like buying a mix bag of chips and always pulling out the pretzel. I WANT A CHEETO FOR ONCE!

@Nikko

Thank you, at least someone understands my viewpoint. I'm all for liberation, but I want a equal playing field. And right now its feeling kind of lop sided.

As predicted earlier, the loons have overtaken the asylum. Jason has become completely unhinged, run amok along with it's pretend 'friends' and derailed yet another thread here on Queerty.

When, pray tell, will someone sane, with the good sense that is superior to a goat, 'moderate ' its posts so we don't have to find higher ground??

Stop the insanity, the inanity, and the revolting rants. Please.

still, I love Vanessa Carlton and her expressive music.

Hey, not a troll here.

Bisexual women, get off your fucking soap box. Oh woe is me, I'll never be accepted in society because the heteros AND the homos hate me. I'll never be accepted by either community because of my UNIQUE and SPECIAL position as a lover of both men and (maybe!) the occasionally women.

Fuck off, your fight isn't any harder.

I invite those of you who don't yet "get" bisexuality to read one of the amazing anthologies out there. Getting Bi: Voices of Bisexuals Around the World and Bi Any Other Name are two excellent books to start with.

"Counter, the scary truth is that I don't think Queerty has a way of blocking Jason/Jesse Helms/Gilber/Nikko/Revemupman/etc"

WTF, why would you want to block someone just because we have different viewpoints? This is insane, follow your agenda or get booted huh?

Ok I'll just read posts from now on since people are crying to boot me out of here…..

counterpoll how do you dare to insinuate that i'm lying?!!!!!!!.do you have any scientific proof to tell me i'm wrong? is there any physical evidence that what i'm saying is wrong? how do you dare to deny the physical evidences? and a nineteenth century psychologist? who? me?!!! i hate psychology buddy.you don't know how much i hate it.this is the very one who created all this mess, and still stand behind the OLD social version.it is because of this pseudo-science that gay people has suffered sooooo much throughout history. when two sexually inverted anti-couples tell you in your face that they are "straight" do you think it is PHYSICALLY TRUE ? or when they tell you that it is not them but you, the sexual deviant or invert, simply because you don't perform the sexual "stunts" they are trained to do to the other sex,e.x when a heterosexual man tells you that you are effeminate because you don't lick(and FEEL!!) clitoris but instead a freaking cock,do you think it is you the androgynous one?,and why not him? after all,it is him the one who has a non-masculine "other half",don't you think? do you believe in the sexual positions and roles invented by the social version as being able to make you feel like a woman? what about if it the woman actually feeling like the man? or even worse, that you are attracted to your own(AND ONLY) sex because you have feminine hormones that you got from your mother's womb,and the bunch of funny stupidities, such us the brain of MASCULINE homosexuals having the same size than those of heterosexual females.do you believe it? wouldn't it be more intelligent and more realistic to think that is is the poor female the one who has to PRETEND that she has a REAL,EVIDENT, NATURAL SEXUAL ORGANIC BELONGING,and not a socially fabricated one plagued with sexual dimorphism and adopting others sexuality as hers.wouldn't it be the woman's brain the one turning "masculine" and forced to absorb(feel) what belongs physiologically to a homosexual couple,inside and out? however,do you know exactly what version they have been trained and programmed to bash you with, the physical or the ideological one?. do you know their major differences? what part is it that you don't understand or DON'T want to understand, the emission/excitation and absorption part? or the asymmetry/symmetry relation or perhaps is it the sexual dimorphism concept?

For once Jason isn't the looniest toon in town. Take a look at your own posts and actions Bi-Brigade. You have an absolute fit if anyone posts something you disagree with and thumb down(which is just plain funny) everything to try and silence people and basically push an agenda no one is fighting you on.

Even when I told you no one cares one way or the other about you somehow that was too offensive for your sensitive natures.

Toughen up softies, it's just not that serious. I can't stress enough how little anyone cares about bisexuality in the first place.

We don't care. Straight or gay we just don't care. You're free to be bi, partake, and get over yourselves.

I dont believe that so many young women is really bisexual. it is false and double standarts. It makes for straight men. Is this makes double standarts in homophobia more strong!

GAY GUYS, wake up! It is necessary to enter a fashion on male bisexuality. Many straight women like gay erotic also. It is necessary to clean the jealousy factor simply.

Many guys suppress own homoerotism. It is easier to them to admit that they bisexuals. It is necessary to advance male bisexuality, also as advance female bisexuality. It should become fashionable and ordinary. And accordingly there will be no homophobia. And it will bring freedom to us.

Jason, you absotelly right! I wanna talk with you.

liana.22011@yandex.ru

Homophobia is a result of sexist-machist stereotypes.

Anyone else think this thread has been taken over by some strange evil force ? :-D

i said that the social programing has many schemes, stereotypes are another form of emotional programing.this social version is aggressive toward same sex bonds,it creates institutions that promotes heterosexuality and homosexuality as two distinct entities.indeed ,it builds false a scheme in which it is very easy to fall.it is based on the wrong assumption that they are only two sexualities, heterosexuality,which is pure(non-hybrid) and homosexuality,which divides in two,sodomy and lesbianism.heterosexuals are supposed to be according to this scheme, non cross-gender and ""non cross-sexual"".homosexuals are all cross-genders and cross-sexual(deviants).this is the schemes built by the social theory and their artificial and misleading definitions that passes as physical truths.homosexuals don't realize that many times they argue about sexuality,they are actually using this very social schemes,the one in which ALL prejudices and stereotypes are based on,even homosexuals have fell into this illusory scheme.an actual physical translation of what i said before would be,that heterosexuals,the way society wants them, are supposed to be non cross-gender and cross-sexual.homosexuals however, are never cross-sexual, but sometimes they can be cross-gender,and as i said, there is a spectrum of "absorbances" related to bisexuality along the cross sexual type,and many variances along the cross gender one,going from mild effeminate gestures or
"gay voice" to full and complete transgenderism.

@Jadis: Jadis, I'm not wrong on this. This young woman clearly got memo that went out to Miley, Christina, Rihanna and Amy Winehouse who all revealed their bisexuality. This is purely a stunt. She's lying and it's despicable. PR agents and managers are fielding the question, "how can bisexuality increase my client's visibility and profits?" I'm there. I hear it. I see it. I know it.

As for Bisexuality, it is truly the biggest lie in the gay community. Any man or woman that tells me they are bisexual is lying. They've lied to themselves and are convinced of something that doesn't exist within themselves. Here's the reason… the sexual criteria for sexual attraction to males is completely different for women. As much as men would like to admit that sex is purely physical, it's not. and any woman can tell you that. They can dabble and have fun with the same or opposite sex but there's nothing there that will define their sexual orientation as Bisexual. I speak the truth and if you search your heart you'll know that I'm right.

@ Jason @ #62

"The GLBT community needs to be more discerning in how it treats women – especially in the entertainment industy – who claim to be lesbians or bisexual. This is necessary because women are known to use their sexuality as a ploy rather than as a genuine expression of their inner selves."

OH, I see, you're a misogynist, not biphobic. Gotta keep all those wimins from being all slutty and their dangerous sewxulaity under control, or else we might eat you with our vaginas or something. Thanks letting us know that dude.

"One of my best friends is a genuine bisexual female, by the way."

Ummmm…..so she has a very poor taste in friends. Why are you telling us this?

Gilber, all of your posts read like a sexology book written in the 1920s. Lay off the nostalgia or what ever crack you're smoking. The freudian bullshit you're posting is very busted.

I don't doubt that sleazy agents are telling female entertainers to say "I'm bisexual". No doubt at all. It's a grubby ploy designed to appeal to men who are homophobic towards the concept of GLBT rights in general. It is NOT gay-friendly.

Jayson is not misogonist. But double standards which are imposed by show-business for heterosexual men are opposite to him! To me too. I am not against female bisexuality. But why we are not talking about male bisexuality? It is necessary to advance already now, while not late else, while definitively it was not fixed about neglect to romantic and sexual relations between men.

In Antiquity homophobia was not present, because all men were bisexual. I think necessary to reflect!

Don't you find all this bashing of women who claim to be bi a bit hypocritical seeing as many gay celebs pretend to be straight throughout their careers?

"Freudian theories hahahaha? isn't it because of Freud that homosexuals are called sexual deviants and homosexuality a perversion even today"

Actually he said that all people are bisexual (in the sense of incoporating aspects of both sexes on the level of gender, not just sexuality) and that homosexuality and heterosexuality were developed from that basic desposition.

As for being a "homophobic", Freud also wrote:

"Homosexuality is assuredly no advantage, but it is nothing to be ashamed of, no vice, no degradation; it cannot be classified as an illness; we consider it to be a variation of the sexual function, produced by a certain arrest of sexual development"

Certainly homopobic, but he wasn't calling people "deviants" nor was he a raging homopobe. But he was still messed up.

Anyway, if you're paper folding thing works for you, all the more power to you. But early sexologists thought that homosexuality (and bisexuality) was really a question of gender, which sounds like the gibberish you're talking about.

Stop making excuses for female bisexual attention whores. Under no circumstances should they be accepted by the GLBT community. Tell them to fuck off.

We don't want our precious movement sullied by skanky whores whose commitment to GLBT rights is next to zero. Keep in mind the important fact that these skanks are often hanging off a strictly straight guy's arm whenever they're seen out in public. They often refuse to have any sexual relationship whatsoever with bisexual men.

It's disappointing to see some women on this board making excuses for these sub-moronic skanks. Girls, learn to discern. There are things in this life that are good for our movement and there are things that are bad for it. Learn to discern.

If you don't wish to discern, then you also have no right to make commentary that is clearly counter-productive to the advancement of our rights.

Ash,

Gay men pretend to be straight due to oppression by straights.

Women often claim to be bi in order to accommodate oppressive straights, especially straight men.

One is due to oppression and the other reflects accommodation. They are two different things and it is preposterous to even compare one with the other.

The problem with the gay community in America is that it fails to be discerning. This reflects a lack of intelligence or it reflects excessive political correctness. Either way, it's harming our GLBT movement.

I read on another gay news site where the male editor congratulated Carlton. He didn't question the bisexual double standard, he didn't ask why only female entertainers were declaring their bisexuality, and not male. He just went ahead and congratulated her.

We deserve much better than self-proclaimed gay advocates and their failure to discern issues.

It is necessary to advance male bisexuality at all possible levels. It will solve a problem of a segregation of gay guys and bi guys.

@Jadis: Taking a part of my statement and spinning it to make it something it's NOT, is similar to republican psychopaths on cable news channels…

Don't compare me to religious zealots, I'm gay and proud of it. I'm just in the minority of GLT peoples who feel that bisexuality is NOT an orientation.

I am agree with Kvitka. I am straight girl and I like gay sex and bisex guys. Many other women too.

@missanthrope: There it is. I've been waiting for that to be thrown at me. Well, this interesting. I've donated time and money to the GLT issues. and the one time I happen to express dissent about a belief which I'm not alone on having, I'm called a bigot.

This kind of militant cohesive thought, "you're either with us or against us!" is endemic of the evil republicans instead of enlightened liberals. It's pathetic. Who gives a fuck? well I do. Because quite frankly, nothing is perfect. readily accepting ideas and thoughts without question is idiotic and unbecoming of intelligent people.

and if you're such "missanthrope" then what are you doing commenting on an message board?

@missanthrope:

I believe bisexuality is not an orientation.

It does not make a bigot and I certainly don't need to keep open minds in check. That's not my responsibility and it's certainly not yours. Calling me names because I hold an unpopular belief proves my point about militant liberal all or nothing nonsense. That's the truly cowardly thing to do.

I disagree, so I'm Pat Robertson's company. That is quintessential fatuity. Keep your sophistry to yourself.

@D'oh, The Magnificent:
dissenting psychologists have stated they don't believe bisexuality is an orientation. I don't need my own emotional belief systems to prove what researchers have concluded.