In the wake of the Paris terrorist attacks, the Republican presidential candidates (a phrase that gives them more credibility than they deserve) have been falling all over themselves to be crowned head xenophobe.
First came the early responses. Donald Trump and Ben Carson think that there should be a database collecting information about Muslims. Jeb Bush and Ted Cruz think that only Christian refugees should be allowed into the U.S. Marco Rubio has agreed with all of those suggestions, except when he’s not agreeing with them.
Since then the rhetoric has only gotten uglier. Trump has fabricated the claim that there were thousands of Muslims in New Jersey cheering the fall of the World Trade Center towers in 2001. No surprise that the atmosphere is nasty; the man who led an armed protest against Muslims in Irving, Texas, has posted the names and addresses of local Muslims online.
Draw your own conclusions as to why.
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So what does all this have to do with us? A lot. Here are six reasons why it’s in our interest to stand up against the anti-Muslim hysteria gripping the Republican party
It starts with Muslims. It won’t end there
The GOP base is viscerally opposed to anyone it views as the other: Muslims, Black Lives Matters, a black President. It doesn’t matter that they are citizens. Whenever the country starts sorting people into us and them, we are always at risk. We may think we’re no different than anyone else, and in one sense that’s true. But to a lot of people we will always be “them,” outsiders who are somehow not fully part of America. That’s a dangerous place to be.
The right wing sees both Muslims and gays as terrorists
There is a persistent theme among some conservatives that the LGBT community is itself a terrorist outfit because we oppose antigay bigotry. Sometimes the connection to Muslim extremism is even more explicit. Just this summer, Breitbart columnist John Nolte insisted that the rainbow flag was triggered an attack that left four Marines dead in Chattanooga. The gunman, Muhammad Youssef Abdulazeez, grew up in the U.S. in a devout Muslim home. The fact that one of the terror suspects had a reputation as a rent boy only confirms the fringe belief.
There are gay Muslim Americans, you know
Just as a reminder of the obvious: Muslims aren’t “them.” They’re also us, and they’re dealing with a double dose of hatred. Yes, there are homophobic Muslims too, But Muslims are not a monolithic group. Kind of like Americans. You wouldn’t want to be lumped into the same category as Kim Davis, would you? And as a corollary:
Banning Muslim refugees means we might be condemning them to death
We know the horror of militant extremists who kill gay Muslims, something that conservatives like to keep pointing out. So what’s the logic in making sure that they can’t seek safety in the U.S.? Is it that it’s better for them to be dead so we can feel safe? Because that’s the ultimate effect.
A litmus test for refugees can be extended to gay asylum seekers
Imagine a Marco Rubio presidency (otherwise known as The Humger Games: Part 3). He’s already restricted Muslim refugees from entering the U.S. Who else qualifies as an undesirable alien? Once the restrictions are in place, it’s not hard to think of other categories that they can expanded to include.
It’s the right thing to do.
We’ve been on the receiving end of this kind of hatred, so we know what it’s like. Now we’re in a more secure (though not absolutely so) position. It’s time for us to be the kind of ally that we counted on when we needed it most.
Now you can make fun of Republicans, who have been complaining about immigrants ever since they came to this country. What’s shameful is the gay and bisexual Democrats in Congress who threw their lot in with the fringe to put the brakes on the already stringent and appallingly meager refugee program already in place. They fueled the hysteria at a time when they should have stood up to it.
It’s a sad day when the folks who should know what it’s like to be outsiders decide that the message to Muslims, both within our country and out of it, is that we don’t think you’re one of us.
jag4313
We should stop “leading” with religion, it’s overrated.
robdominic
I completely understand that this is your website and you can post anything you like, and as a gay man I try to support our community as best as I am able, however your article reeks of liberal hysteria and falsehoods. By reading this you’d have thought that it was Republicans who were throwing gay men off buildings instead of Islamic extremists.
Of course not all Muslims are terrorists, but the only bad behavior you apologize for, the true enemy of gay people, is NOT Republicans or devout Christians, it is radical Muslims. But your politically correct world view blinds you. Shame!
Louis
We should support them in general they are just as human as the rest of us are.
The actions of a few extremists shouldn’t define them all that’s unfair and an attitude of simple prejudice .
Louis
@robdominic: I beg to differ considering many devout Christians as well as many republicans are consistently discriminating against us and some even agree with the mentalities of those who want us dead .
If that’s not an attitude of extremism then id sure like to know what is.
AndYouWillDeal
What a crock of sht. Liberals and “progressives” aren’t known for their rational thinking, but this leftie propaganda is ridiculous.
The “right thing to do” for a country is to protect is citizens against threats. It’s not a matter of xenophobia or “islamophobia”, it’s a matter of national security. Syria is a country in which the LGBT people are either killed or raped and beaten and then killed, do you think bringing 200,000 of them (as Obama wants) wouldn’t change the culture of the places where they arrive? Look at Northern Europe, where violent crimes, especially sexual assaults, have skyrocketed…and 77% those crimes are committed by immigrants from Middle East and North Africa where the culture doesn’t respect women or LGBT people.
Do you actually feel safe bringing all those people over? They might not be terrorists, but their culture is against us, plain and simply.
I get it, you get turned on by brown skinned, hairy, violent men…but wise up Mary, they are not coming here to screw you, they are coming here to kill you. That is their culture, that’s how they treat the LGBT.
And no, one cannot be “gay Muslim”, that’s a contradiction. And those who thing the two are compatible are quite simply idiots.
Realitycheck
@Louis: There is a huge difference between a Christian disliking gays and muslim countries with death penalties or life in prison for being gay.
The huge gorilla in the room, those Muslim refugee we want to bring here in the USA, will be the first in line to discriminate against gays!
Do we really more of that ? NO.
Louis
@Realitycheck: That’s the problem though whose to say which of those refugees think in that manner?
Should we cast every single one of them out based on the mentalities of a few of them who wish harm against us?
I have compassion for these people but the problem is its hard to know how all of them think if we did know it would make it so much easier to know who should come here and who shouldn’t.
onthemark
@Realitycheck: The article itself addresses that. It points out that there ARE gay people in Syria and if they can’t ever get out, they’re essentially condemned to death.
@AndYouWillDeal: This is a better-than-usual article of its type. I’ve seen a lot of mawkish nonsense lately on this subject – hell, Nicholas Kristof in the NY Times actually compared the Syrian refugees to Jesus… JESUS! Holy moly. But this article is pretty good at addressing the real points.
I did get a chuckle however at your remark, “I get it, you get turned on by brown skinned, hairy, violent men….” Ooooh, well, Col. T.E. Lawrence (Lawrence of Arabia) was gay and he liked them, lol.
SeeingMoreClearly
Time to put Queerty’s editors and writers in rainbow flag T-shirts and send them walking through one of those refugee camps holding hands with their boyfriends. Let’s see…
SeeingMoreClearly
@onthemark: ….” Ooooh, well, Col. T.E. Lawrence (Lawrence of Arabia) was gay and he liked them, lol.” Lawrence, if you recall, also got turned on being kicked around by them.
Desert Boy
Stand with Muslims? You mean the Sharia Muslims who stone gay men to death, light gay men on fire and push gay men off three story buildings to their deaths?
I think not.
SeeingMoreClearly
@AndYouWillDeal: It’s a suicide wish by certain gay activists. It’s the only explanation. Next they’ll be telling us all to screw without condoms.
zp77
False! I can not believe the moronic opinion this website supports. Your statements have no factual merit!
First how can you even say that “the right wing sees both muslims and gays as terrorists?” Yes, a few conservative members have made homophobic remarks, but the GOP as a whole does NOT view gays as terrorists. That is like saying that ALL liberals consider conservatives to be bigots.
Secondly, this is an issue of our national security, not human rights. ISIS has publicly announced that their primary and final target is the US. We also know that the easiest way for entry is through refugee groups. Many of these refugees are brought up to despise America. Many (not all) Middle Eastern muslims consider America to be the Great Satan ( ????? ???? ). This is the way they are raised! How can you expect them to think highly of Americans? Also, many of these refugees are on the SAME SIDE as ISIS. The regime has been terrible to Syrian citizens, and ISIS is the only group standing up to Bashar al-Assad.
Lastly, yes, Obama has been amazing for gay rights. BUT, when it comes to dealing with foreign issues, Obama has no balls! No Middle Eastern nation is even remotely threatened by our presence. And what’s more, he is encouraging bringing in almost a quarter million of them into our country. Intelligent democrats are seeing the danger of this, and are acting on it. Stop ridiculing their efforts to increase security!
Queerty is beginning to sound like a bunch of uneducated hypocritical Christians.
SeeingMoreClearly
@zp77: I think Queerty went too far with this one. This is total idiocy about a very serious issue.
aliengod
What an incredibly ignorant article. You’ve really reached a new low, Queerty. If I hadn’t double checked, I’d think I was reading an Onion article.
SeeingMoreClearly
Does John Gallagher even have the courage to show his face after espousing such suicidal idiocy ?
Ali Hamadi
Xenophobia? How about we embrace humanity rather than beliefs?
Cam
So the American Reform Jewish church not only was the largest religious denomination to support gay marriage early, but they also just went fully Trans inclusive and Queerty responds by running an article on one single crazy Ultra Orthodox rabbi in Israel who doesn’t like gays.
So Queerty ignored and hid the fact that the denomination representing over 90% of American Jews went Trans inclusive, even trying to run articles making the opposite seem true. BUT Queerty IS now not only hiding Jewish acceptance of LGBT rights, but trying to create a common bond with one of the religious groups that is the most bigoted to us. This is worse than when Queerty would run articles attacking Israel because it accepted gays, Queerty said ” yes, but they don’t mean it”. Your agenda is showing.
Kieran
Yes, that’s what America needs right now. More religious extremists that passionately hate gay people. What could go wrong?
Ogre Magi
@robdominic: The fact that the muslims are the worst does not mean christians and republicans are not our enemies.It is all a matter of degrees.
Christianity an Islam are 2 rotten nuts from the same tree
alphacentauri
@Kieran: Exactly, queerty is ignoring the fact that they hate gay and bisexual men and kill us, and yet posts tons of articles about so called ‘Christians’ daily.
Victor Barry
I’ll stand with Syrians refugees, I couldn’t care less for their religion, however.
martinbakman
Call me selfish, but there is room in Europe.
What is the need for them here other than to save Europe some $$.
Muslim immigrants here in LA cannot be out of the closet. Their families and communities will toss them into the streets. They want the rainbow flag to vanish. We are a low form of life to them.
They are Europe’s neighbors. Remaining over there is more justifiable.
o.codone
Gay men will have to fight Muslims and the philosophy and ideals that Islam represents sooner or later. If the gay community wants to stretch their imagination, defy reason and logic or pander and kiss azz in the meantime the inevitable will still occur and gays will have to fight for their lives against Muslims. I know that it’s difficult acknowledge this eventual reality and that’s why gays are embracing an article such as this and are ready to vote for Hillary and will continue to pretend that Islam doesn’t matter.
Then the knife goes in and gays will finally know what Islam intends for the gay rights movement and for it’s members. In the meantime attend what may be the last days of a violence free gay society. It will be so sad to see all the civility rubbed out overnight by cavemen.
CWM85
I’m not buying this article. This has nothing to do with glbt but refugees who possibly can come here and reek all kind of havoc with Isis already in several countries having fake passports, visas and posing as refugees to kill all kinds of people. I think its best for a pause and what congress is proposing. I think they are better suited in middle east who they have with more in common, language, religion, culture etc. This was a weak, lib attempt to tie U.s glbt community into this and it has nothing to do with us. The middle east, syrian in general are very harsh on gays regardless where you’re from. Jail for being gay and worse so called punishments. Gays have no rights there. Those same people want to come here and possibly be another enemy of our community. Queerty. You guys are wrong in this.
CWM85
O.condone right like Islam, these people will automatically be allies to our community! Lol queerty get a dose of reality…
AlliterationAddict
Agreed. I’m not Muslim, but being mixed race with some South Asian heritage, I get mistaken for Middle Eastern all the time. And I definitely get a lot of threats from the gay community over my skin color and features, some of which have actually gotten kind of terrifying. I’ve had people threaten to attack or sexually assault me, and while it’s not exactly like I can’t stand up for myself, the fact that people harbor that kind of hate against me is really scary. And so for me, all this talk about how we need to stand up against Islam in order to protect gay people rings very hollow. It’s nice that people are fighting so that my safety is not put in jeopardy by being LGBT and where I can be proud to be gay. But I’m basically being told that instead of being ashamed of being gay, I should be ashamed of being brown, and that isn’t much of an improvement. And because I know that people are going to go for Ad Hominem, I’m completely out, extremely liberal in my views and completely accepted by my family (with the exception of one particularly Christian aunt on my white side).
Paco
“We’ve been on the receiving end of this kind of hatred, so we know what it’s like. Now we’re in a more secure (though not absolutely so) position. It’s time for us to be the kind of ally that we counted on when we needed it most.”
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Yeah well, gays don’t have a reputation of throwing people off of rooftops or setting them on fire for disagreeing with us. We don’t need to invite more homophobes into our country. We grow our own.
And this secure position we gays find ourselves in, can be taken away in the blink of an eye should the wrong majority ever gain power. Don’t ever forget that.
Brandon Humphries
No argument from me.
Cam
@AlliterationAddict: said… ” I get mistaken for Middle Eastern all the time. And I definitely get a lot of threats from the gay community over my skin color and features, some of which have actually gotten kind of terrifying. I’ve had people threaten to attack or sexually assault me, and while it’s not exactly like I can’t stand up for myself, the fact that people harbor that kind of hate against me is really scary……….I’m completely out, extremely liberal in my views and completely accepted by my family (with the exception of one particularly Christian aunt on my white side)”
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Wow, how coincidental, that you need to back up the article, and have somehow received all of these very specific threats from the gay community, and of course from one of your white relatives. It’s such a perfect fit that it’s almost as if you wrote it to exactly fit with your defense of the article.
leatherguy
I agree with you that the Republican party has done nothing but use stereotypes and difference to generate fear in order to gain political power, and that the the current fear mongering directed at Syrian refugees is as appalling as it was when directed against Jewish refugees in the ’30s. However, I feel it’s absurd to suggest that the LGBT community simply support Muslims because they are suffering from the same stereotyping and persecution we have. In every Islamic country myself and my friends would be jailed or put to death. This is not hyperbole, but a simple fact. Major polls of Muslim communities around the world have showed an overall disdain and unacceptance of homosexuality. I strongly support the plan to accept several thousand of these refugees into America – without that option many of them will be tortured and killed. However, I am under no illusions that these people would enthusiastically see me jailed or killed for who I am as a gay man. It is good to have empathy and to see the suffering of people and want to help. To do so with wilful blindness simply undermines your argument and makes you appear a fool.
Stache
Why anyone would want to be LGBT and Muslim is beyond insane. It’s no secret that the same nuts that want to do you harm also believe in that savage nonsense.
alphacentauri
@Stache: Heh I once met a man on a site who was gay and his husband had converted to Islam, and of course he no longer approved of their marriage/relationship, and they’d stopped having sex…but I’m not sure why this guy stayed with his husband?
Masc Pride
I’ll stand with the hot ones who are questioning their sexuality like Pej Vahdat in Shameless. 😉
Ummmm Yeah
Kiss my ass. I’m not going to stand to the most murderous barbaric cult on Earth which just happens to love to kill gays. If the left keeps up this extremist garbage I will vote for Donald Trump.
Stache
Most Muslim countries also carry the death penalty for being gay. This is not going to be a enemy of my enemy is my friend BS.
SeeingMoreClearly
Seriously, John Gallagher and any other Queerties responsible for this, come out of hiding now. I want to see you go to any Republican convention as an openly gay man, and then to one of the Syrian refugee camps as an openly gay man, so we can compare what happens. Do this or I’m another one saying I’m through with Queerty. You have to have integrity and stand behind your words or else you’re just deteriorating into the stereotype of a useless ineffectual gay blabbermouth.
o.codone
Apparently gentlemen, nobody’s buying your bat-sh^it kumbaya article. It’s just insane to think that anyone is going to embrace this nut-job so-called religion (of peace). For any reason. Gays are crazy, leftist democrat kooks, and even gays are not buying your crap article. Stupidist sh it i’ve ever seen.
AndYouWillDeal
It’s sad times when the Republicans make more sense than the Democrats, but since in the last 10 years the Democrats have turned into a bunch of fat angry feminists, tumblr SJW, and the perpetually offended trying to police language and censor freedom of speech, the only way to ensure we keep our constitutional rights is being conservative.
And the GOP has good reason to distrust the gay community as some do behave like terrorists, bullying and trying to suppress freedom of speech for those who don’t agree with a gay lifestyle. For example boycotting a bakery because it didn’t want to cater a gay wedding, as if it was the only bakery in town and the couple absolutely had to get a cake from them and couldn’t take their business somewhere else. Freedom of speech goes both ways. If you don’t believe that, you don’t believe in freedom of speech.
And about “Black Lives Matter”, it’s an organization that has concentrated on defending people who committed whatever petty crime, got arrested, resisted arrest, and got a due beating because of it. Sorry, not sorry, not every black man in prison is Nelson Mandela, innocent and imprisoned while fighting for his people’s right to vote.
Wake up.
Ridpathos
@o.codone: No one should embrace any religion. Religion is a mental illness, but we should embrace those in need and remind the conservatards that they are people too.
myloginname
As a Christian g wm who currently lives in a Muslim nation with sharia law many of the commenters need to become better educated on the Arab world. Am I legal here? No. Do I feel threatened or at risk here? No. Am I able to be out and proud? No, not really but the majority of people know I am gay and my partner. If you were to come here you would take about 15 minutes and probably deduce you are not alone and are surrounded by others just like you, those people would introduce you to straight people that were open and accepting also. You would meet other locals where many are out to their families with varying degrees of success in their acceptance just like in USA for example.As I am Christian I do not know a lot about Islam so I tried to learn some things and some of the things I learned disturbed me so I brought it up to my Muslim friends and their reply was to the effect “Are you so devout that you follow everything in the Bible?” well no, not by a long shot. Their response, “Me too”
Stache
@myloginname: Well, when it comes to gay people they sure like to follow it literally.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fdrlFyDdgQ
aliengod
@myloginname: Such a study in contrasts. I fear you are a liar. Were you really living in a Muslim country under Sharia law and “out” as you say, you’d be separated from your head. Stop making up stories! It’s harmful to our cause. Just stop it.
money718
This article is dumb. Muslim HATE gays with a passion. I’m here in NY and wouldn’t mind seeing them all deported.
myloginname
By they you mean the people portrayed in your video? Iran, Mauritania, Saudi Arabia, Sudan, Yemen, UAE and Nigeria (1:14) I was not in any way implying there is not a problem because there is I was trying to give you insight in only a paragraph what life is like over here and the people who are no different than you and I. I daresay Richard Simmons could probably run down the middle of the souk and not feel intimidated here but yes, he should probably not announce his preferences to freely.
myloginname
@aliengod: Was I? You mean am I. I am currently and if you re-read No I am not out nor do I recommend it. I don’t know how you inferred that. Many people know about me though.
SeeingMoreClearly
@money718: There are Muslim individuals who are very nice and cool (cool about gays, even) but they’re outnumbered by the homophobic majority. And in any country where Muslims are the majority, things are NOT cool for gays.
zaneymcbanes
“It’s a sad day when the folks who should know what it’s like to be outsiders decide that the message to Muslims, both within our country and out of it, is that we don’t think you’re one of us.”
Very well put! Thank you!
furbq
Dear John Gallagher,
Thank you for this article. One a positive note I wanted to ask others on this thread: is it possible, in this season of giving, to contribute to the efforts of assisting LGBT refugees or asylum applicants? Are there organizations or outfits that have some focus on Arabs or Middle Easterners in particular?
I am aware of organizations that are focused on LGBT migration and undocumented immigrants but their focus does not extend to the middle east. I do contribute to organizations such as the UNHCR and UNRAWA that have a mandate to assist all refugees regardless of sexual orientation. But wanted to give a little extra for those that focus on LGBTs.
I met a couple of asylum seekers from LGBTs Syria, Iraq and Tunisia and just don’t know how to help them. Any ideas?
furbq
Dear all,
I do understand that there is a gulf of understanding, a deadly one, between many Muslim societies and the LGBT community. But let me share this:
One an occasion when Israel bombed Southern Lebanon many from the South (mostly poor conservative working class individuals the majority belonging to the Shia sect) sought refuge in the capital Beirut’s parks. Members of the LGBT community decided, with some apprehension to support them with blankets and food. They decided that if they were asked who they were that they would answer truthfully their membership in an LGBT center, Helem. Their gifts and assistance was not rejected. Even those on the reserving end who knew exactly that they were receiving assistance from an LGBT person. It may not have been the embrace and call for solidarity one may have seen at the end of the movie “Pride” but it was a beginning of a level of respect.
The shores over this gulf of understanding is vast, but virtuous cycles between bridge makes can create miracles.
Just a thought,
SeeingMoreClearly
@zaneymcbanes: No, that’s the dumbest quote ever. Does that mean every other “outsider” should be accepted by us, just because of the outsider status? Even if they want to kill us ? Besides, if the U.S. has the means to house a million refugees, shouldn’t the first priority be to house homesless american citizens ? Has anyone here been to NYC, Los angeles, or San Francisco lately ? Seems like record numbers on the streets.
SeeingMoreClearly
@furbq: How do you know they gained any acceptance of the gay community ? Just because they took the food and blankets ??
scotty
these muslims you suggest we support would be the first people in line yelling for us to die. im gay and i love me lots of men, but supporting muslims is not something i can abide.
scotty
@zaneymcbanes:
not that sad.
1EqualityUSA
Wwwwwwwedge issue, the GOP are masters of this.
Realitycheck
@zaneymcbanes: In NYC we have enough anti gay violence and homophobes, we don’t need any more crazy muslims zealots to import their insane religion. Europe is in trouble because of muslim immigrants, and by the way there would be no ISIS with out European muslims, where do you think the recruits and the money comes from?
The day Arab countries run out of oil, is the day arabs will have to finally start working hard to keep their nations together and stop meddling in to other nations affairs.
So NO it is not sad the way people and gay want to protect themselves from muslims, it is a simple Reality check!
Brian
The funny thing is that a lot of Right Wing Christians are more similar to Moslems than they wish to believe. They can’t bear the thought of being compared to them.
Cam
@AndYouWillDeal:
If you are going to troll a gay website you should really tone done your repeating of FOX News delusional cliches. It makes it too obvious.
BJ McFrisky
@AndYouWillDeal: Opinions on this site are valid, but facts? FACTS?!? It’s high time you learned that xenophobia on this site is only tolerated against those with whom you disagree (conservatives), and NOT against anyone who might one day vote Democrat. And facts only apply when they support the far-far-left liberal agenda.
The more you know . . .
alphacentauri
This is going on in Europe right now:
http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/11/11/watch-anti-migrant-video-going-viral-across-europe/
Cam
@BJ McFrisky: said…”Opinions on this site are valid, but facts? FACTS?!? It’s high time you learned that xenophobia on this site is only tolerated against those with whom you disagree (conservatives), and NOT against anyone who might one day vote Democrat.”
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So BJ, why don’t you post some of these “FACTS”? Because all you ever post are random excuses to try to turn every posting into a vague attack against your favorite boogyman “Liberals!”.
Prinny
For once republicans have a smart idea.Send them back to their countries.
Cam
Now what I HAVEN’T still heard is why Queerty has ignored a story that has been out for nearly a month. The headline on Reuters…..
“U.S. Reform Jews adopt sweeping transgender rights policy”
http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/11/05/us-usa-religion-transgender-idUSKCN0SU1VU20151105#MKo00x7h53q6u5Ed.97
So Queerty, please explain to me why, instead of reporting this, you wrote a posting about one crazy ultra orthodox rabbi in Israel that hates gays? Weird that you would time that article to come out at a time when the major Jewish denomination in the U.S. advocated for Trans acceptance. AND you never ran that story so it seems that you, once again are trying to make it seem like Jews are anti-gay, but you give a pass to other groups.
So just so we all have this straight. Queerty attacks a denomination that has advocated for LGB and now T rights and inclusion, BUT writes articles about how all gays must accept a different religion that advocates for our deaths or arrests for merely existing in every country where it holds sway.
Queerty, If your writers have their own agenda that is fine, but when their agenda actually ends up for all intents and purposes being anti-LGBT then the higher authority needs to step in.
You have people telling LGBT’s to march in lock step with a group that wants us dead, and yet you purposely mis-represent or hide stories about another group that advocates for us.
Your agenda in this instance is no different than an anti-gay site.
AndYouWillDeal
@Cam: Presenting a view point different than yours isn’t trolling. It is bringing some common sense into a group which has forgotten it, sacrificed to the altar of politic correctness.
You want facts?
How about the fact that Scandinavia is the rape capital of Europe, with 77% of the rapes committed by MUSLIM immigrants from the Middle East and North Africa.
How about the fact that in Syria the culture is so hostile against LGBT people that gays living in Syria, who were able to escape, say that they lived in constant fear of being beaten to death or raped and then beaten to death.
How about the fact that anti LGBT sentiment spans across the entire Muslim population, even the “moderate” ones.
How about the fact that opinion polls show that even moderate Muslims believe that Sharia law should override the constitution of the countries they arrive to as immigrants.
How about the fact that 40% of of Millennials who identify as liberal/progressive think freedom of speech which is offensive to minorities should be suppressed – Opening the door for suppressing ALL freedom of speech.
How about the fact that in Sweden the liberals are turning against the LGBT community for “offending” the Muslim immigrants by “being gay” in their proximity, seeking to ban the 2016 pride parade.
How about the fact that ISIS/ISIL/Daesh militants did go into Europe posing as refugees, and there is photographic evidence of them (I’m not talking about those who have committed terroristic attacks in Europe, I’m talking about some waiting to do so).
How about the fact that groups like Black Lives Matter are seeking to censor freedom of speech, create “safe spaces” for black people which amount to SEGREGATION, and more race wars that black people – as a minority – are bound to lose.
How about the fact that the far left LGBT activists often seen to suppress freedom of speech for people who disagree with the LGBT lifestyle, boycotting them and trying to shame them. I’m not talking about people like Kim Davis who had the obligation to serve people being she is a government worked, I’m talking about privately owned businesses like bakeries or pizzerias, etc which there are plenty of.
Stache
@Cam: Ha. You called the AndYouWillDealout troll on it and he now confirms his Brietbart/Fox Noise credentials.
SeeingMoreClearly
John Gallagher still hasn’t come in here to answer the criticism of his piece. It’s time to take a break from Queerty. The rest of you might want to consider taking a month or two away from here as well. When Queerty just completely insults your intelligence and then ignores you, it’s time to show some self-esteem…..find other stuff to do.
Cam
@AndYouWillDeal: said…. “@Cam: Presenting a view point different than yours isn’t trolling. It is bringing some common sense into a group which has forgotten it, sacrificed to the altar of politic correctness.
You want facts?
How about the fact that Scandinavia is the rape capital of Europe, with 77% of the rapes committed by MUSLIM immigrants from the Middle East and North Africa.”
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I have accused BJ McFrisky multiple times of having multiple screenames he uses to comment on here.
And does anybody notice, that I asked the screename “BJ McFrisky” for “Facts” HOWEVER, he accidentally responded under A DIFFERENT SCREENAME!?!? He answered under the screename “AndYouWillDeal” LOL!!
This is the second time he has made that mistake. Hey BJ, you may want to check which name you’re signed in under before you respond to me next time. LOL!!!!
Cam
@AndYouWillDeal: said…”You want facts?
How about the fact that Scandinavia is the rape capital of Europe, with 77% of the rapes committed by MUSLIM immigrants from the Middle East and North Africa.”
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First of all, Scandinavia isn’t a country. You are taking a region of Northern Europe that contains multiple countries and trying to say that it is comparable to statistics in other countries.
So nice try.
Additionally, lets take the most populated country in Scandanavia. In Sweeden, if a woman reports that her boyfriend has raped her 10 times, the Sweedish police record 10 instances of rape unlike other countries that record one.
And lastly, I love how no matter what screename you use you still can never post a link.
Hun
Thanks, Rabbi.
AndYouWillDeal
@Cam:
You replied to me first, calling me a troll. I simply replied with FACTS for you to consider. And Scandinavia is understood by most people to comprise Sweden, Norway, Iceland, Finland, etc. While Northern Europe could even include England. Nice try, but you failed.
You know damn well Queerty often flags comments with links and they can be waiting for moderation for days and days. I already posted one with links for all my sources, awaiting moderation. Nice try at suppressing freedom of speech and trying to derail. I’ll email you the links if you really want them.
AndYouWillDeal
@Stache: You can call me whatever you want, but unless you can prove me wrong, your argument is worth less than nothing.
Hussain-TheCanadian
Some of the comments on this thread are truly shocking, sad, and down right stupid:
This is a question to all the anti Muslim Anti/Arab bigots on this thread; how many assaults or murder cases are tied to Muslims against the gay community in the United States over the past 10 years?
SeeingMoreClearly
@Hussain-TheCanadian: The Neighbors nightclub (Seattle) arson case is a pretty serious one. (Otherwise, I for one, said there are probably very cool Muslim individuals. If I had my choice they wouldn’t be hurt either).
1EqualityUSA
Hussain-TheCanadian, I thought about you while reading these comments. I was at work on lunch and don’t queerty at work. Republicans have their hot wedge issue (again). Maybe because they were pinned down too often in grammar school and given wedgies. Even gays and lesbians can be total a$$holes. People never change. Fear, hate, fear, hate, fear, hate, fear, hate, every damned generation has their target. They can’t see past it.
Republicans are really pushing it this year, because they desperately want to get four Supreme Court justices on the bench to do their bidding. When their “think tank” and I use that term very loosely, reads threads like the one above, they likely fist-pump, jump up in the air with quivering, fat thighs, and carry on like cackling crows. Doughy white-bread, entitled, haters.
This U.S. Marine, Tayyib Rashid, is what I prefer to think of. What a love. Hang in there.
http://www.msnbc.com/the-last-word/watch/muslim-marine-asks-trump-wheres-your-id-571296323970
SeeingMoreClearly
@1EqualityUSA: My views have nothing to do with Republicans. And gays have been getting killed in the Muslim worlds long before ISIS.
1EqualityUSA
I work with and see Muslims on a weekly basis and they are not this way.
SeeingMoreClearly
@1EqualityUSA: Where ?
1EqualityUSA
I have short hair. Not quite Sinead O’Connor short, but damned close. There’s no mistaking my orientation. The elderly mother gives me hugs, the daughters get my cooking magazines after I’m done with them. They talk food, and about their children and how they’re doing in sports. These are real people. It doesn’t matter where. This is my experience. Comments, like the ones above, make me feel so ashamed of all of us. We are better than this.
SeeingMoreClearly
@1EqualityUSA: And how many more real-life massacres in the west have to happen before you stop trying to dismiss animosity towards Muslims as just another hate-fad that people buy from Republicans ? Seriously, do you live in the real world ??
SeeingMoreClearly
@1EqualityUSA: You’re generalizing and saying nothing. Where do you work with all these Muslims ? And do you think, if they came to be in the majority, they wouldn’t force you to cover your head (at best) or……..have you read what they do to female captives in Africa ?
1EqualityUSA
SeeingMoreClearly, Please cool it on the fear-mongering. It’s not going to happen in this country. Majority, wtf.
SeeingMoreClearly
@1EqualityUSA: And you think the U.S. should just allow every Syrian refugee into the country ? You want to take that responsibility?
SeeingMoreClearly
@1EqualityUSA: It’s not fear-mongering. It’s hard cold reaity that you can’t deal with. I went through 9-11 (in NYC) firsthand and little did I know that was just the beginning. Don’t you dare try to dismiss what I had to see as fear-mongering.
1EqualityUSA
10,000 is not every. hyperbolic non-sense. We are going to have to agree to disagree, because locking talons mid-flight and getting nowhere is tiresome. I do not see what you see. You do not experience what I experience. The warm smiles, the genuine appreciation, the respect and human elements, you may never see. We have different perspectives. I look for the best in people and am surrounded by goodness. If you look for the bad, you see only badness. It’s how I live. I don’t want to harbor ill-will towards other American citizens (except greedy Republicans).
SeeingMoreClearly
@1EqualityUSA: “These are real people”. Yeah, of course they’re real people. Everybody in the Nazi party had real people in their families. The little Nazi girls cooked and played jump rope. Most of us with any sense are still glad the Nazis didn’t take over the world.
SeeingMoreClearly
@1EqualityUSA: Okay, then live in your fantasy world away from any trauma. Luckily there are women and men on the outside with their hands in the muck to protect you living that way. But don’t insult we who deal with the world’s ugly truths.
1EqualityUSA
You would shrink away in a ball at some of the “muck” I have dealt with in this world. If you feel insulted by my comments, that was not my intention. If you are military, my hat is off to you. (I don’t wear hats, but if I did…) If you saw something on 9-11 that rocked your world, I’m sorry for that as well. Nobody should have to see something so horrendous. Not everyone is out to do this to our country.
SeeingMoreClearly
@1EqualityUSA: I doubt very much I would shrink like a ball from anything you’ve seen or done. Or else you wouldn’t have such a ridiculous philosophy about looking for the best in people (except Republicans) and being surrounded by goodness. Let’s walk you through a Muslim neighborhood in the UK hand in hand with your partner and see if that works.
SeeingMoreClearly
@1EqualityUSA: You might be a nice person, but you’re going to have to deal with reality sooner or later. You’ll profess to disagree…..that’s okay. I’ll leave it at that.
1EqualityUSA
Thanks, SeeingMoreClearly, have a good night.
Cam
@AndYouWillDeal: said…
“@Cam:
You replied to me first, calling me a troll. I simply replied with FACTS for you to consider. And Scandinavia is understood by most people to comprise Sweden, Norway, Iceland, Finland, etc. While Northern Europe could even include England. Nice try, but you failed.
You know damn well Queerty often flags comments with links and they can be waiting for moderation for days and days.”
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Ok, so lets break this down.
You first said that Scandinavia has the highest number of rapes in Europe. Compared to what? You yourself just said that you were referencing Multiple countries. So what are you comparing it to? You had to group multiple countries together before you could then turn around and claim that they had a higher number of rapes than other single countries? Nice try. Oh, and just so you know, Finland is not part of Scandanavia. It isn’t on the same peninsula and doesn’t share a language with common roots. But Nice try.
Funny, you claim you can’t post any links backing up your comments because Queerty won’t let them through. Interesting then that I’ve posted links on this very article with no trouble.
AndYouWillDeal
@Cam:
By Scandinavia I meant Nordic countries, yes: Sweden, Denmark Norway. Finland isn’t part of Scandinavia, Ok (but is part of the Nordic countries) but it is completely relevant to the discussion as Finland is suffering the same issues due to Muslim immigration than Scandinavia.
I said Scandinavia (Specifically Sweden) is the rape capital…OF EUROPE! Don’t believe I said it? Look it up in my comments. You can say that I’m talking about several countries, whatever, that is irrelevant because the point is that a specific area which has seen great migration of Muslims has also suffered an increase in rape of 1,472%
And here’s photographic evidence I posted the links and they are still waiting moderation. You try posting 6 links and see if it doesn’t get flagged.
http://s16.postimg.org/9s28s5w85/Screen_Shot_2015_12_01_at_8_36_04_AM.png
Cam
@AndYouWillDeal:
So you took a region, with multiple countries and then tried to compare it to individual countries because you needed it to make your point. That was ridiculous and you know it.
Additionally, my issue with you was that you try to use any issue to attack “Liberals” under all of your screenames. Maybe if you got over that, you could have a rational discussion. If you read, the majority of those liberals you hate on Queerty are attacking the author for the article, but you were too busy doing your usual anti-liberal schtic,that you couldn’t stop your normal posting for even a minute to notice.
You’ll have to remind me, how is it that you attack Muslims for hating gays, and yet always not just give a pass to the right wing here, but rabidly defend them for the same thing?
At least the rest of the people on here are consistent usually, anybody who attacks LGBT’s is fair game.
Vartan X.
Christian bigots are not my friends, and neither are Muslim bigots. If you are a Log Cabinet, you will side with Christian bigots. If you are a leftist, you will side with Muslim bigots. I am quite sick of this polarized ideological nonsense that dominates today’s politics. Sometimes I feel that people with rational, common sense, independent views are endangered species. I think I should move to Mars.
AndYouWillDeal
@Cam:
I don’t know what drugs you are on or what your trauma is, but I only post with this screen name. I don’t need to post with several screen names because my points are validated by receipts. And you will deal.
Nordic countries have suffered from a great deal of issues due to massive migration of Muslims, that’s a fact.
Sweden is the rape capital of Europe and 77% of the rapes are committed by Muslim immigrants, that’s a fact.
You think you are so smart, but obviously you aren’t seeing the pattern. And the pattern isn’t geography or how many countries, the pattern is the massive migration of Muslims to those regions. Duh!
I defend conservatism because nowadays conservatives are the ones defending freedom of speech, which I find far more important than being able to marry (while still having sex with someone else on the side) and adopting children (while having multiple sex partners and probably crystal meth at the bath house, as I know many “happily married gay couples” actually do). If the LGBT community and the liberals/progressives were as smart as they think they are, they would have pushed for full protection against job discrimination (which affects all LGBT people) instead of pushing for marriage (which only affects those who would want to one day to get married).
And the big difference between you and I is that I respect the GOP’s right to dislike and disagree with the gay lifestyle and even refuse to serve LGBT people at their privately owned businesses. Why? Two reasons: I believe in freedom of speech and religion, and I am smart enough to understand I don’t have to eat or shop at their privately owned businesses if I don’t want to. It’s that simple.
And excuse me darling, but there’s a huge difference between conservatives thinking marriage should be just between a man and a woman in a MONOGAMOUS relationship, and throwing gays off the top of a building, hanging them, or glueing their anus shut and forcing them to swallow laxatives till their intestines rupture and they die slowly and painfully of blood poisoning.
1EqualityUSA
We have equal rights. Deal with it.
Hussain-TheCanadian
@SeeingMoreClearly: So you just found one?
Are you not ashamed of yourself for spreading all of this fear, anger, paranoia over one case?
If this is the Brown case, you should be more ashamed.
Very cool Muslim individuals you say? Well thank you for that distinction, im sure after the dose of hatred you’re spreading unjustifiably, the cool Muslim individuals will be very happy that you have lumped them with ISIS – Then again you seem to have no problems in seeing the world in Black and white, no gray at all.
Hussain-TheCanadian
@1EqualityUSA: Honestly EqualityUSA;this thread makes me sad; the level of fear, hate, paranoia, and utter uncivilized opinions is just shocking.
Thank you for thinking about me, that is really sweet of you – the only way cultures can mix together is by getting to know each other. I refuse for any government on earth to use the gay community as a weapon to use on any country just to fulfill some geopolitical end – not in our name.
1EqualityUSA
Hussain-TheCanadian, I must have read this last sentence of your comment six times and it’s so nuanced that it is unclear.
Hussain-TheCanadian
@1EqualityUSA: Oh im sorry – Im saying that I fear one day, “Gay rights” will be used as a bat for our western governments to hit other nations with, just like they are doing now in the name of democracy.
If people like “Seeingmoreclearly” get their way, that’s exactly what will happen. I don’t want our community to turn from being the oppressed to being the oppressor, and I feel this is what we’re doing with these refugees – at least, what I see many who are commenting on this thread seem to be willing to oppress others in the name of protection.
Was not one of the American founding fathers who said If you sacrifice liberty for protection/security, you will end up with none?
Is this how our western civilization dies? by our own hands?
1EqualityUSA
Ironic, that by being exposed to an open culture, another culture opens. Black underground railroads are looked upon with respect now. People are amazed Chinese populations were relegated to certain areas, now. Appalling were the U.S. Japanese internment camps, it is believed, now. Vietnamese refugees were given such a hard time, though now, they create restaurants and businesses that enhance our lives. My gardener’s entire family was killed by a bomb right in front of her. Her arrival to the U.S. was likely met with utter disdain. They have two doctors, a lawyer, and something else awesome. The so called American dream lived by people most don’t understand. With so many examples presented by our past, we can pull through this.
I suspect Republican motive with this whipping up of hatred and fear fodder. I suspect that the motive is to swing votes by playing off of fear, in a disingenuous and sleazy way. Yes, protection is necessary, but some of the hysteria is over the top.
Hussain-TheCanadian
@1EqualityUSA: It is Ironic I agree – we all come from somewhere – we all adapted, we all changed, we all mixed our original culture with the dominant culture. If we didn’t, our parents, Grandparents or great grand parents have; North America has an excellent track record of integrating their immigrants, refugees, economic migrants, it’s the norm.
Only a weak, dead, tired culture that is lazy and fearful of everyone else’s culture that it cannot absorb others; the bigots on this thread seem to agree.
Their mindset is no different than Daesh; Daesh says Islam is at war with the Western world, and the Right-wing bigots and Christian/Zionist extremists say the same – no difference between the two, both see the world in Black and white. They don’t differentiate between the governments and their people, or extremist fanatical cults (like ISIS) and the rest of the Religion.
It’s a sickness, it’s racism, and elitism.
1EqualityUSA
Don’t let it get under your skin. People never change. Not everyone feels this way. Most of this is compelled by GOP politics. Especially so this year, as they are desperate and NEED to stack the Supreme Court with their political pons in order to stay relevant. If they were dogs, they would be emitting odors.
Life is not a sitcom. Once the Republicans are beaten down and stomped into the grass, Reince Priebus will release a long-winded Republican autopsy report (again), including statements about, “being more inclusive” again. All of this whipped up frenzy will die down. (Again.) That’s why we refer to these schmucks as, “The Tedious Right.” 2016 can’t come soon enough. It feels as though it is a long, complicated labor. The contractions will soon be five minutes apart, then the Republicans will hang their heads in shame (again) and try to understand why the masses don’t feel as they do. Hang in there and wait for the inevitable to play out. I can see why people become grouchy after a few decades on this round Earth.
AndYouWillDeal
@1EqualityUSA: “Being more inclusive” is what has weakened the USA. Sorry, but the multicultural dream doesn’t work. Why? Because people OF COLOR are still obsessed with race. Black Lives Matter is very much like the KKK in that sense, they want segregation and a full out race war (they, as a minority, will lose).
1EqualityUSA
talk to us after 2016.
1EqualityUSA
AndYouWillDeal, I view other people, not as their encasement, but rather their spirit. The body is merely a diode, through which we communicate to one another. Once the circuitry is seen for what it is, an electrical machine, driven by inorganic fuel, an evolution of thought will prevail. We strive to overcome this world. Bodies are merely vessels. Flesh falls apart without the spirit coalescing it, under dominion of the spirit.
Those brave enough to open their homes to the underground railroad, in a time when it was unpleasant to be black, had spiritually overcome. There will be those of us who see the body for what it is, inanimate dust. Silly putty. Ethnos against ethnos was described, so to fall into it, after having been told of it, seems even more humiliating.