You people (people who are homosexual) fuel the fire by bitching and moaning every time someone says something, you WANT to be offended so you can complain and bitch.

I know plenty of gay people who don’t bitch and are happy with who they are, aren’t bashed and love life. Get with it pussies.

Actually south park has used the “n word” in their episodes before. South park has pretty much touched on every taboo subject. I’d think by now people would just leave it alone.

Now, I haven’t actually seen this particular episode yet, so I can’t really comment on it, but over the years they have thrown around the word fag in their work a lot in different ways. For example, in Team America, they had the Film Actors Guild (FAG) as the vocal opposition to their actions in other countries. However, they were, in part, satirizing the actions of the US around the world, and this was most likely their take on how the pro-war supporters at the time viewed the celebrity opposition to the wars. At the same time, the kids in South Park will call things gay, etc. without any clear parody or satire behind it. It’s quite possible they were satirizing their own use of it with this particular episode in question.

Personally, I try not to let stuff like this get to me. It does bother me at times, but I’m not going to make a stand with somebody over calling something gay, it’s minor and in most cases it’s futile, the only thing it will change is that they just won’t say it when I’m around. Clear hate speech, on the other hand, is more worthwhile to take a stand against, but there is a proper way to do it.

The creators of south park are libertarians that don’t give shit if you’re gay, they tend to just hate stupid people.

So, of course, the implication is that the creators of south park and you think you are absolutely brilliant (and superior as well)by using denigrating words to describe a class of people who have always been looked down on and make fun of them.

Only one word comes to mind for people like you and south park.

Deluded.

Tell me, when you order your “bitch” to get you a Budweiser, are they ok with that? Or do you just tell them that they are stupid if they object?

As for the idea that fag no longer has any connotations or associations with homosexuality, that is a ridiculous assertion that no sensible person should entertain. I’m only 20 and I and many other gay people I know still flinch at the sound of that word, so I don’t know which generation they think is changing this words definition, but it isn’t mine. Once again we have a bunch of white straight males telling minorities what they should and should not get offended by as if they are in any position to understand it. So yeah, as long as young kids are still being tormented by this word, and gay people are still being bashed as their attackers yell this word, I will not lighten up. I don’t now what fantasy world Matt, Trey and some of the people here live in, but fag is very much still a word meant to either in whole or in part reference negative feelings about gay people. This episode was nothing more than their attempt to justify it’s use without looking like ignorant homophobic assholes.

any time you want war fag boys you bring it assholes…?

This is precisely what South Park homophobic attitudes brings out of the woodwork.

They just gave homophobia their stamp of approval and their stamp of disapproval for homosexuals.

any time you want war fag boys you bring it assholes….

one of them said real loudly “That guy’s a fucking fag!”. When I looked at them, one of them threw a bottle at me and shouted “FAG!!”.

I’ve been assaulted before, not beaten badly, but you know what? It makes me not care about stupid crap words and what happens on tv. They obviously aren’t trying to insult gay people. They are definitely trying to make people angry and riled up, but that is different.

So I guess I learned the opposite lesson from you. When there is still real violence then there are more important things to care about than a comedian pushing buttons.

We’re saying you’re opinion is wrong in that you believe they don’t attack everyone, because they favor particular groups. That doesn’t mean they don’t attack everyone as vehemently as they can. They are libertarians, not conservatives. If you see the whole world as “us vs them” then I understand why you think they are so conservative.

Amen to that. Of those kids who drove that 11 year old boy to suicide, how many of them watched “South Park”?

Meanwhile Obama and Biden continue to enforce DADT and DOMA while casually ignoring anti-marijuana laws. We have fewer rights than chickens and junkies.

Complaining about a cartoon that thrives on mocking idiocy (including homophobia) and blaming it for violent attitudes in society is rather silly when in another thread, the same whiner is busy making apologies for politicians who actually do real harm to LGBT Americans.

Get a grip.

So when I say, “Can I bum a Fag?” I’m actually asking to borrow a cigarette, and not asking to engage in mounting some homosexual’s ass.

What’s implied is not always what’s inferred though.
See… clear as mud.

This is a parody post isn’t it? No?

So, it’s okay for the writers of a TV show to have an opinion, but it’s wrong (and presumptuous apparently) for me to have an opinion of the show? Seriously?

Besides that, you completely missed the point of what I posted.

On the contrary, thought it was brilliant. It was VERY CLEAR about the redefinition of “fag” that is happening today. They even spell out the changing meanings of the word “fag” over the centuries. They even wrote in the gay characters to help with the redefinition! When Big Gay Al calls the bikers “faggots” and tells them to get out of town…wow.

Hence, they are just pointing out the fact that a lot of the “kids today” really ARE using the term “fag” in a way that doesn’t really mean gay. And unfortunately some still are…but can’t we leverage the others’ usage to deflect that meaning?

So I recommend not judging South Park’s intentions until you’ve SEEN this episode. I swear half of these posters haven’t seen it. And we should support their efforts to redefine it away from us! ;-)

Authoritarian douchefags like GLAAD makes me hate the illiberal “liberals” as much as they do.

Don’t get mad, get even people! If someone calls you a fag, call them a breeder. If they attack you, exercise your right to defend yourself by whatever means are at your disposal. They deserve it.

I’ve watched pretty much all but the most recent episodes and I’ll stick to what I said earlier. South Park is not an equal opportunity offender and they do not treat everyone the same. Liberals and those on the left get far more nastiness thrown at them than the right does. In other words, he “really hates fucking liberals.”

“I hate conservatives, but I really fucking hate liberals.” -Matt Stone, co-creator of South Park

Were it not for the sheer number of negative, biased and hateful comments that do get posted on this site, I probably would have realized that you were being sarcastic.

And you are totally correct. Things that are easily understood when spoken face-to-face when one can read facial and body language, often get misinterpreted in writing, so I usually use something like *sarcasm font on* as I have seen other posters do, so that the meaning and intent is clear.

Thank you for clarifying your comment for me. My apologies for jumping on your back about something which was not your intent. ;)

Co-sign.

“when we all stop letting words hurt us maybe we will all be better for it.”

Words don’t hurt me. If people want to be ignorant, that’s up to them and I’ll even defend their right to do it. A simple “you stupid ignorant cunt” stare is sufficient punishment for such things, or in the case of corporate speech, boycotting the speaker and/or its supporters. Its when they follow it up violence that I have a problem and WILL take action. In the case I talked about, throwing a bottle is the violence. Had they just called me a fag, I wouldn’t have done anything.

No. 41 · jason

“I’m gay but I personally don’t care about the gay community. I don’t belong to the collective. I’m an independent person, thanks.”

There is a now infamous quote spoken by a one Pastor Martin Niemöller (1892–1984) from the 1930s era that applies to what you just said. Even religious folks contribute something worthwhile to the conversation on occasion.

First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a communist;
Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a socialist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak out for me.

No. 45 · Mr. Enemabag Jones

“Until straight people feel physically afraid of us, they will never respect us.”

As much as possible, I try to avoid making this a Homos vs. Str8s thing. It could be argued that blindly disliking str8 folks is just as ignorant as blindly disliking homos. Same goes for instilling fear, etc. There are some wonderful str8 people in this world, I met one last night under the most bizarre of circumstances. I recently got a new phone, and the person who had the number before was an interesting character. I get calls from her numerous drug dealers offering me their goods. And last night I got a text message from one of her crushes, a straight boi. He had a broken heart because when he told her he had a crush, she stopped talking to him. Yes, he is 23. So I texted him back and said she didn’t have the number anymore, but he could have a crush on me if he wanted.

He, of course, asked if I was a cute girl and I of course said no. Unlike most straight bois, he stayed around, asked lots of questions, we exchanged pics, myspaces and he wants to meet a couple of lesbian friends of mine. So here is a kid that probably has never encountered a homo before (judging by the questions he asked) and who likely wont grow up to hate, resent them or run away. I feel like something was accomplished there. I have a new friend, but whats more is Oklahoma has one less budding homophobe.

So I don’t go for the idea of just trying to instill fear in str8s. I do support sending the message that we’re not just going to be a punching bag for their frustrations in life.

“…that not everyone will see anti-gay slurs as just simple name calling.”

I think it was best summed up in The Laramie Project (or was it The Matthew Shepard Story?) by the guy who played Matts dad in the scene when they were talking about the gay joke being told at the bar. “But it wasn’t a joke, it was a little arrow of hate, shot right at him. How did he do it? They bounce off you and me Judy, but not him. How many hit him?”

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With regard to the original question asked here, I think this is a case of GLAAD fighting an easy battle. They probably will brow-beat the producers or the network or someone into saying sorry. Then they can claim victory, shine in the lime light and justify their existence. I don’t think the South Park episode is that big of a deal. If you’re offended, turn it off. They made TVs with power buttons and channels for a reason. Was it offensive? Not in my eyes, I thought it was funny. Then again, I am quite secure about my place in the world and I don’t need constant re-validation of it in the media.

@ No. 53 Mr. Enemabag Jones

You said: “especially in Florida where a law was recently passed that you can shoot an unarmed person if they are looking at you the wrong way.”

I’m going to have to stop using sarcasm here since it clearly does not translate well when written, rather than spoken.

Next time actually try to contribute something meaningful to the discussion instead of this kind of stupid, irrelevant comment.

south park makes fun of EVERY POSSIBLE KIND OF PERSON. If you’re gonna complain about “fag” usage, why not stick up for everything else that is being made fun of on the show all the time (mormons, jews, christians, red heads, chinese people, etc) instead of just complaining about the things that hit close to home

Who are you, the fucking Dalai Lama? If you want to get all quasi-Buddhist philosophy about it, the reason some words have the power to inflict psychological harm is because there they are infused with negative intention by their speaker.

Of course a young adolescent coming into their previously latent homosexuality will be hurt by someone calling them a fag/faggot/homo/queer/whatever-the-fuck. I know I was. And I’d call anyone a liar who said that they were not.

That being said, another point I’d like to make is that whether you liked the episode or not, whether you think the de-gaying/mainstreaming of “fag” is acceptable or not, there really is no need to “mainstream” the word to mean something “uncool, dickheaded, or douchey” because I dunno if anyone has noticed this besides me, BUT we have words to express those things already, LIKE uncool, dickheaded, and douchey.

Oh, and also, if I went around calling people who I thought were douchebags (and there are so, so many) “niggers”, I’d get the fucking shit beaten out of me by black people or all the white people would turn and stare and be so horrified that they would feel the need to chastise me, because, after all, they did vote for Obama.

I completely agree that the best defense is a good offense, however…

You said: “especially in Florida where a law was recently passed that you can shoot an unarmed person if they are looking at you the wrong way.”

The law in Florida you are referring to is known as the “Stand Your Ground” law and, like a good many people, you are misinterpreting and distorting it’s actual meaning and intent.

The following link should clear-up any ambiguities concerning it.

http://www.cfif.org/htdocs/fre.....se-law.htm

Like you, we Floridians believe in our Constitutional right to bear arms to protect life, limb and property.

We are not, however, the cold-blooded murderers you make us out to be. If you shoot someone in the State of Florida for simply “looking at you i the wrong way”, rest assured that you WILL be tried for first degree murder, as well you should be.

Do people who have Harleys even realize how much they fuck with the peace of other people’s lives?

Yes. I worked with a guy who has a bike with a straight pipe and he said there’s nothing he liked better than going outside at 6AM and revving the hell out of it. Some people are dicks that way, but I don’t think they’re fags.