
We're usually big fans of queens, but Spain's Queen Sofia's definitely an exception.
The seventy-year old monarch lets her anti-gay attitude show in a new biography, The Queen Up Close. For her first round of homo-centric conservative spew, Queen Sofia takes on gay pride, which she says doesn't deserve much space in the public sphere:
I can understand, accept and respect that there are people of other sexual tendencies, but should they be proud to be gay? Should they ride on a parade float and come out in protests? If all of those of us who aren't gay came out to protest we would halt traffic.
Later, while discussing gay marriage, Sofia offers this semantic opposition:
If those people want to live together, dress up like bride and groom and marry, they could have a right to do so, or not, depending on the law of their country, but they should not call this matrimony, because it isn't. There are many possible names: social contract, social union.
Yes, yes there are many names, but none are quite the same as marriage. Perhaps the errors of "separate, but equal" don't translate to Spanish, or something…
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Queenie
I have another nickname for you….PUNTA
Yes, there could be a translational divide between English and Spanish… or it could be that she's just a cunt?
Keep in mind that whatever the queen says (and she has no say whatsoever in Spanish politics), Spain is one of the most progressive countries on GLBT issues. The Spanish government of PM Zapatero has introduced full marriage equality several years ago. Me thinks the queen doesn't care for his govt too much.
It's PUTA mark. A more appropriate name would be KARIOLA since she really is Greek not Spaniard.
I thought the Windsors were in-bred and fugly! Seems like she got the text message from the Nazi Pope…
"Keep in mind that whatever the queen says (and she has no say whatsoever in Spanish politics), Spain is one of the most progressive countries on GLBT issues. The Spanish government of PM Zapatero has introduced full marriage equality several years ago. Me thinks the queen doesn't care for his govt too much."
Glad you brought this up, Sven. And thank all that is good and right that this ignorant fool has no say in the government.
Funny that she says
"If all of those of us who aren't gay came out to protest we would halt traffic."
Well, generally the majority doesn't HAVE a reason to protest, you dumb twat.
She should just go back inside her palace and play with her tiaras or something.
Now will somebody please tell me why we are supposed to be interested in what this cunt has to say?
now spain not is a republic thanks the catolic church, nationalist militars, nazis and italians fascist who broked our democracy and constitucion.lorca was a gay spanish simbol with dali picasso guevara.now the borboun monarchy is in the power becouse franco don't have a song and put the power for him.but juan carlos had a big brother who can to be a king but died becouse juan carlos shoot him without wanted…
sorry for my english. only i wait that leonor will be lesvian and republican really republican not republican american
At least one queen (real) tells it like it is, cant disagree with anything she writes, face it girls most of world on her side, get used to it
lorca was kill by the church with more workers from all the world france portugal england mexico cuba usa people who go to spain for fight to the fascism now we are fighting becouse the church have all the names who was kill and where are all the comun fosas but dont want and is protect by the Popular party the old fastist party alianza popular.
the people from spain are really diferent becouse the old people was educated with the church and are manipulated. the rest of europe its ilegal to reclaim nazis in spain franco and the militaris have streets with his names.spain is progressist becouse always was fighting with the church. wiki have more information more interesting "homosexualidad en españa" you can see in the middle ages arab gay califas an gay marrieg by the church!!
umm interesting.., she's showing her greek heritage. (For all you didn't know, she's the daughter of late King of Greece, so she's not even born spaniard). I wonder what the husband and kid thinks about the issue.
and she said that all people have stuady catolic religion in the public schools… she can't pronuceted she is antidemocratic. porque no se calla?
I've never seen her image before. Has she always been this charming and pretty?
If those people want to live together, dress up like king and queen and call themselves rulers, they could have a right to do so, or not, depending on the law of their country, but they should not call this monarchy, because it isn't. There are many possible names: social predators, social parasites.
I've got a possible name for her: Ignorant douchbag.
Not to be too picky, but she really isn't Greek either. The Greek royal family does not have a drop of Greek blood in them as the royal family was brought over from Denmark.
In any event, she has a right to her opinion (however misguided) but given her nation's stance on gay marriages, she might want to keep her mouth shut — similar to the British monarchs who are "supposed" to be above giving their opinions on issues.
And remember, Queen Sofia is merely the royal consort.
She's not even the regnant monarch. In addition to having no political powers, she doesn't have any constitutional role at all. As with the equally alarming Prince Phillip in the UK, she has those meaningless titles which her spouse had granted her. And little else.
In Spain, the Prime Minister makes policy in the name of the King. And there's no doubt that this book will cause tension within the ruling Socialist Party, which is staunchly pro-gay. Sofia has crossed the line with these comments. She's not supposed to comment on ANY political issue. Prime Minister Zapatero will probably issue a press release saying "she doesn't speak for the Crown" shortly.
Okay – I am going to get so attacked for this.
But I have always wondered why gays are insisting on using the word marriage anyways.
The truth of the matter is marriage is a patriarchal institution founded by the church to suppress women and keep them in their role of having children. Why would I want to emulate that?
The whole thing was designed around bearing children. Men do not have fetuses.
I am proud of being gay and do not need to walk up an aisle in wedding dress emulating my grandparents.
I always thought what was so cool about us is we are different. I don't need to emulate straight people.
So I am perfectly happy with the word unions or partnerships if it comes down to rights and laws.
But I know some guys who go off the deep end if they don't get the word marriage as part of the deal, insisting that anything else is less and secondary.
I once dated this guy who went ape shit crazy after a GLAAD Media Awards when Tom Ford used the word civil union instead of marriage.
"What the hell is that shit?! Civil Union! I don't even know what that means! I am going to write GLAAD because I have given them money, and blah, blah, blah…"
And all I'm thinking is geez, calm the fuck down. There are a lot worse things in the world to get worked up about.
But really – the word marriage is heavily tied to the church so I am happy to have nothing to do with the word.
But some gay guys – Oh my goodness – if you say this to them they go crazy and attack you. Sheesh!
I cannot understand, accept or respect people that get their crown handed to them by a fascist dictator.
She looks like the marked-down version of royalty. And seriously, how many watches does one person need to wear?
@Into the NIghtlife:
Nice spin. While the institution of marriage might have a religious and patriarchal foundation(others might disagree and point out other origins) the reality in present day America is that the word marriage does not solely carry a religious meaning, it can if one wishes to but it also carries a higher social distinction than say a civil union. To be more precise over more than one thousand distinctions that range from hospital visitations-to joint filing of taxes.
We didn't set these distinctions, heterosexuals did and if we seek full equality under the laws of our government(not the church) we need to strife for the same social recognitions for our relationships under the laws as those that heterosexuals enjoy and civil unions don't do it.
Even if civil unions were to have all the same rights and protections both in the state and federal level as hetero marriages the notion of a hierarchy promoted by a government to which you and I as Gay people must pay taxes to without an exception being made due to our sexual orientation would still be an act of discrimination and bias from big brother towards a sexual majority(us).
Into The Nightlife you are SO spot on….get over it people. And did you all miss the bit where she said 'I can understand, accept and respect that there are people of other sexual tendencies'?
I should've said > a hierarchy promoted by government even if it's only a difference in name<
>be an act of discrimination from big brother towards a sexual minority(us)and a show of bias for heterosexuals.<
While I am not entirely surprised, Im disappointed. She has always been a conservative.
Fortunately she does not rule, parliament does and it has done what the majority of spanish people want – equality for all in this issue.
She should not be making any comments about any political issue, the monarchy operates under the principal of neutrality, they are supposed to represent every citizen, she decided not to do it anymore, its a shame.
Also on the word marriage, the insistence of the use of the word its not a whim, that is the name of the legal document that defines the union, nothing more.
Yes BB, let us all enjoy being second class citizens. You know, 'cuz we're sooo different.
Seriously, you're an idiot.
Jai, you having a chip on your shoulder doesn't make me an idiot. If you want to believe you're a second class citizen, be my guest. I was merely giving my point of view and I don't think that entitles you to make any judgement of me.
King Carlos was central in restoring democracy after the death of Franco, so cut them some slack.
The Queen is just a consort, this was stupid, and on top of that her opinions are just the mundane ones of slightly religious old ladies everywhere.
The Queen also said she was a great fan of Elton John in her youth and used to go his concerts and smoke dope. She said it was fabuloso.
I don't see myself as second class because of a word or what my relationship is referred to by society. And either should you.
Count on a dimbulb like PuddyKatz to admire a monarchy with fascist roots.
Franco's fascists abolished the Republic and restored the Monarchy in Spain after murdering roughly 500,000 trade unionists, socialists and supporters of the republic.
Juan Carlos is a willing tool of the Vatican and the CIA and is hostile to GLBT folks and to revolutions in Latin America. For those and other crimes, including his collusion with fascism, Juan Carlos and the royals deserve the hatred of decent people everywhere.
It seems that in terms of same sex marriage Sofia, McCain, Palin, Biden and Obama speak the same language – the bigoted language of the christian cultist.
Civil unions and civil partnerships equal second class citizenship and that’s why right wingers like Sofia and Obama support them. It hardly matters that some clueless GLBT folks kowtow to that bigotry, its still bigotry.
As I learn more about this book of hers, I'm beginning to think Queen Sofia just wants attention. Either that or she's auditioning to be the "Sarah Palin" of Spain.
She didn't merely bashed the gays. She also referred to herself as a creationist (against the teaching of evolution). She then discussed her views on abortion and euthanesia.
Then she entered into a snooty appraisal of her husbands' prime ministers since 1982, as well as had a little fun with foreign affairs. Among the bloopers include attacks on prime ministers Aznar (1996-2004) and Zapatero (2004-Present). Sofia said Aznar was "too serious and uncharismatic" and Zapatero is judged as "upsetting." She accused the King of Morocco of trying to "trick" Spain into making territorial concessions. She also ventured in the U.S. presidential election by endorsing a Hillary-Obama ticket. That's kind of an interesting choice there, given that her views are so right-wing.
Well, regarding marriage name thing:
The Spanish Constitution settles that it's a right, but does not state it's an exclusive right to be held between men and women. It says men and women have the right to marriage, with the same rights and duties, but not among them
Therefore, being marriage in Spain a constitutional right, though not one specially protected, as it would be equality, free of speech and such, it is a constitutional category. So, the easiest way in the Spanish case was to open in regular laws that right to the same sex unions.
The other way, giving same sex unions a different name, would have open the case for potential unequalities. This is, as this were not a constitutional right, those unions would have been loosely endorsed by the principles of equality and liberty, but would have created a category apart from marriage and out of the constitutional law (apart from those endorsements from equality, liberty and protection to the family). This would have mean that, for example, the lawmaker could have set restrictions against same sex civil unions on adoption, social benefits, etc …
That's for the marriage word debate ….
Now, our dear queen.
I am spanish, and monarchist. And I admire her for what she have done. Until now, and so far, she has only brought peace and understanding with her mere presence, which is fine for me. She has acted as a queen consort with panache.
It seems that those opinions were set on the context of a private conversation with the journalist, Pilar Urbano, who wrote the book. Pilar Urbano is a numerary (?) of the Opus Dei -by far one of the most advanced institutions of the Catholic Church, LOL- So that can explain part of the gaffe. But, as one old Arab proverb says: "You have a friend, and your friend has a friend. So be quiet"
And Pilar Urbano is interested in promoting her book about the Queen. There you have it
Does it matter what an old woman thinks anyways, she will be dead soon. all the better. the lady needs to put in her dentures and shut up.
Oh, she does have teeth, but you can't see them because they're stained and worn down… probably from chewing her cud.
Just a remant of old Fascist Spain. Fortunately they are socialists and allow gay marriage. Who gives a shit : just an old vestage of Catholicism.
diego thanks for the correction, my mistake
I love this Queen already. Didn't know who she was eventhough my Grandfather is from Spain. I love her I love her I love her. Her anti Gay message is a bonus!!!
It always amazes me how people can make definitive statements about subjects that they do not have all the facts on.
Obviously, Into The Night Life does not know that some 32,000 couples people who are involved in multi-national relations as I am, cannot petition their government to bring their spouses to
America and become citizens like 'married' people can.
Civil-unions and domestic partnerships do not allow for this and are not recognized by the United States government or the US Immigration Department and it is that distinction that makes LGBT people second-class citizens.
>The truth of the matter is marriage is a patriarchal institution founded by the church to suppress women and keep them in their role of having children.", Into The Night Life said.
Not so. An absolute falsehood. The church did not get into the marriage act until sometime during the seventh century. The "institution" of marriage existed long before religion had anything to do with it. You can Google that fact for yourself.
Choose whatever title you wish to use for your relationship; it matters not to me. But before you go advocating what is right for everyone else, do get your facts straight before going off on an ignorant rant.
And BB, I would chose my idols more carefully, or at the very least, check the veracity of someone's statements, before applauding them, lest you be accused of being birds of a feather that flock together.
Gueller, you're only kidding, right?
GUELLER, seriously fuck off you chicken shit.
no 15: Spot on! I'm a Spanish lesbian and from today a Republican too. It's unconceivable that these parasites that are living of my wages think that they have the right to belittle and discriminate me. Although her role as Queen is to be a symbol, a flag and therefore behave as one by keeping her mouth shut, it's kind of good that she has shared with us her views on gay marriage, the need to teach children religion in school ( catholic, of course) so they learn about the origins of life (!) ( pleeeaaseee…),called women that abort killers and best of all has recommended that machist violence towards women should not be publicised or talked about so it doesn't become "contagious" (!!): sure Sofia, abused women should suffer in silence, right? Now we know where she stands. She's "outed" herself. I call for the end of the parasitic institution of the monarchy in Spain.
Her mother was in the nazi youth group…like mother,…
Bill Perdue is a marxist and a poopy-face.
The problem with being a marxist is?
The truth of the matter is marriage is a patriarchal institution{…} to suppress women and keep them in their role of having children.
There is some partial accuracy to the role of marriage.being a patriarchal or heterohomogenious institution.
Problem with being a marxist is that it kills your sense of humor! (Unless you are a grouchomarxist!)
Typical swinecat behavior.
P. Katz, lackwit, can’t be bothered to make political comebacks when he’s called on for supporting the English policies of apartheid and ethnic cleansing in occupied Ireland, opposing laws and sanctions aimed at quashing hate crimes in the US and fawning over a monarchy founded by fascists with the blood of half a million Spanish workers and framers on it's hands.
All our little shoatkitten is able to come up with is "cut them some slack" and the ever devastating “poopy faceâ€. Very entertaining, but only if you’re into rightwing chuckleheaded grotesqueries. Thankfully, not many are. Few share his dalliances with fascism, monarchism, foreign occupations, and homophobia.
I take it back! Bill Perdue had me literally LOL in no 47!
Dear Qeen,
tru Lithuanian mens wiht you.
Thank you for tru pozition.
We love tru Qeen, we love Spain Qeen.
what a cunt. what's the purpose of monarchy anyway? they should dethrone that royal bitch and put her back in her place…
kokjwbpwzzabsdaawell, hi admin adn people nice forum indeed. how's life? hope it's introduce branch ;)
Hi, My name is Sarah Bader. I do artwork. I made some beautiful artwork to the photos of the Queen and I would like to send it to her on CD. How can I get an address to mail to her?
Thank you
sarah A bader
9-2-2009