Adam Lambert: So too gay for television, Disney/ABC is “rethinking” how they’re going to treat live performances in the future. But when it comes to college football and the homophobic outbursts from coaches, there doesn’t appear to be any rush to put the big game on a tape delay.
Thanks to the magic of super-duper audio devices, Stanford University’s football coach (hahaha) Jim Harbaugh can be overheard during a Notre Dame game screaming “fucking asshole faggot” at a ref’s call he, uh, disapproves of. And just when we thought America’s athletic leagues were scrubbing themselves free of homophobia.
Thus far, the school’s student newspaper Stanford Daily has only had this to say about the game:
Saturday’s win over the Irish, more than anything else, was a showcase for a program that has “bowed to no man” since Coach Harbaugh arrived on campus three years ago. And it doesn’t look like it will be doing so anytime soon.
Yeah. Great job coach!
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terrwill
ABC: When did Fred Phelps become Chairman of the Board?
hephaestion
FIRE his ass! Stanford can not allow this to go un-punished. If it does, it will forever be tarnished as an institution.
Cam
ABC just cancelled Adam Lambert from the Jimmie Kimmel show. so apparently it’s ok to scream “Faggot” it just isn’t ok to BE one on ABC.
Republican
Wow, as a Stanford alum, I am shocked. Yes, I know it’s the football coach, so perhaps I shouldn’t be THAT surprised, but still, Stanford has been very gay friendly for years.
Jeffrey Taylor
Want to help the on-campus groups mount their reaction? Mail Stanford’s LGBT resource center and they should point you in the right direction: [email protected]
Karanis
Ok, maybe my hearing is just bad, but I listened to that clip three times, and I couldn’t make out the part where he DID say “faggot”. I wouldn’t have known unless the speech bubble was there. I’m guessing the author of the YouTube clip can read lips, because I wouldn’t have guessed he said anything like that. My guess is that ABC didn’t either. I did, however, clearly hear “That’s bullshit!” earlier, which ABC I’m sure would ordinarily omit.
Mr. Enemabag Jones
Has anyone noticed that since Obama became president, things have gotten worse for American queers?
Mike in Brooklyn
Re: No.7: I too am very disappointed in the lack of support the GLBT community has received from the Obama Administration. It certainly seems as though we are fucked out of our share of “hope” and “yes we can”!
Nonetheless, it is not President Obama who rants and raves, who slanders us, raises money to fight our equal rights, etc. President Obama is not our enemy; our enemy is Maggie the Cunt, Pope Dickwad, Rush, Fox News/Murdock, the GOP, the “Family” of its okay for us to fuck-around but everyone is a sinner, Ruben Diaz, and the many homophobic bigoted asswipes.
I expectation was that Obama would be actively working with us; instead he only fights our enemies on issues OTHER than GLBT issues.
And as for Stanfurd and their football team/coach: Who won the Big Game? GO BEARS!
Bill Perdue
No. 8 · Mike in Brooklyn. Don’t lie. Obama is a bigot and our enemy.
Obama is our fierce defender in the same way the English and French were fierce defenders of the Czechs at Munich in 1938. Democrats gave us DADT and DOMA and gutted ENDA.
Obama’s WH is infested with bigots like ordained pentecostal bigot Joshua Dubois who organized Obama’s outreach to christian bigots utilizing Warren and McClurkin. Dubois is now in charge of bribing the same sorry group of pulpit pimps using tax money and the ‘faith based’ charities scam. Biden voted for DOMA. Obama stabbed us in the back galvanizing bigot voters ranting that ‘gawd’s in the mix’. And then there’s Rahm Emanuel.
The DNC is at least as bad as the RNC. The DNC is dominated by a homohating Dixiecrat, Tim Kaine, and Leah Daughtry, an ordained pentecostal bigot who opposes SSM and lost a lawsuit claiming that she used anti-GLBT discriminatory hiring and firing practices.
Democrats in Congress, except for a tiny minority are either bigots or pander to bigots. Both parties are right centrist and march in lockstep on key questions like the wars, stealing from the poor and workers and giving to the rich, promoting bigotry, racism, misogyny and immigrant bashing and opposing socialized medicine.
Some mistakenly support rightwing parties like the Democrats and Republicans hoping to make those parties LGBT friendly. That’s the delusion of people in the last closet, the political closet.
Many of them are in the process of coming out of that closet, prodded by two decades of contempt and bigotry from Reagan and Clinton to the Bushes and Obama abetted by huge anti-GLBT bipartisan majorities in Congress. GLBT Democrats appear to want to give the Democrats another couple of decades
Bill Perdue
No. 7 · Mr. Enemabag Jones is wrong. Things have been about the same under Clinton (DOMA and DADT), Bush (state DOMAs) and Obama (defense of DOMA and DADT). All three appointed gays as ambassadors and we got some easter eggs from Obama.
Things haven’t gotten worse, they stayed the same, and that’s bad, very bad indeed.
Attmay
My Dad and my aunt are Stanford alumni, and they will indeed hear about this.
@7 and 8:
As for Obama and gay rights, I’m saying the same thing his predecessor said about the war: You’re either with us or against us. And our enemies use his disapproval to justify it. Ruben Diaz did. The Prop H8 auto-calls did. And he has done nothing to stop them.
Is he cutting off aid or doing anything to stop the Ugandan gay Holocaust? No.
Henry Holland
Zzzzzzzzzzz……here we go again. This is SO fucking predictable, I’ll save everyone the trouble.
Stanford people will protest and write in and feel all activist. The president or one of his lackey’s will express deep regret and re-affirm Stanford’s commitment to diversity. A hastily arranged press conference will take place where Harbaugh reads a prepared statement containing the phrase “if I offended anyone” (also known as the non-apology apology). Everyone hugs, sings “Kumbaya” and….on to the next faux controversy.
Yuki
… I really, really don’t understand how people get so riled up over football.
Keith Kimmel
Yay! More reasons to Boycott ABC! Join the movement.
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=184007987035
(These people are so fucking stupid at ABC.)
dizzyspins
im confused–did ABC bleep out those words in the original broadcast? If so, Im not sure what they did wrong. Its not their job to chastize the coach for his language–just to not let it go to air
Michael Letterman
Yeah suddenly I’m a big fan of Stanford’s football. Queer, faggot, homo… all descriptive terms for what amounts to perversion, depravity and unacceptable behavior.
Drake
Contact Stanford University president John Hennessy right NOW and let him know that football coach Jim Harbaugh needs to be fired, that his slurs on national television are unacceptable:
[email protected]
TEL: (650)723-2481
Let them know that hate is no good in Proposition 8 land.
wondermann
So a President who’s trying to do things for us is a bigot and enemy, Bill?
I wonder about our community sometimes.
Bill Perdue
No. 18 • wondermann – what I presented was the short list of the hostile acts of Obama and the Democrats. The long list can be found at AmericaBlog.
Now provide us with a list of all the things he’s done for us. Start with that truly gracious invitation to the WH easter egg hunt. It was a magnificent gesture. And don’t forget to mention that he passed out a bunch of medals. And he signed a next to meaningless hate crimes bill. And, like Clinton and Bush before him, he appointed a gay man as an ambassador.
Now list all the other wonderful things he’s done for us, but don’t include promises. In DC promises are worth their weight in batshit, and smell something awful.
Johnny Walker Black
And he signed a next to meaningless hate crimes bill????
Really???
Bill none of the other ones didn’t even care. Yeah I read Americablog and that queen that runs that site irritates me something nasty. I did read 2 comments from her readers where one said
Obama did nothing for the hate crimes bill and HIV travel ban they actually said it was Bush who really got the ball rolling.
Then why didn’t the asshole pass it????
Personally I don’t hate Obama and I don’t think Obama hates us. But there is too much nastiness from this community when it comes to him. Don’t worry with all your help the GOP will be back in power. Then I want to see all of the help they will give this community.
Well Bill whatever state you live. Why don’t YOU run for office and make your voice count?
That is if you’re really FOR REAL!
brian
Stanford Daily sounds like a piece of college trash with an adolescent mindset.
ABC has lost all credibility as a media organization.
brian
Liberals are great social homophobes, conservatives less so. Conservative homophobia is usually evident at a legal level, liberal homophobia at the social one.
Bill Perdue
No. 20 · Johnny Walker Black – all that to say nothing.
Prove something or go away.
Mitchell
The comments on this site reflect why the marriage bill will not get passed. All I see is White gay people screaming for MARRIAGE RIGHTS, when we are going through a recession, unemployment is at an all time high, and we are still trying to get out of war in which we never should have gotten into. Every one of you are coming across is self-absored whinners. Republicans nor Democrats want to be bothered with your silly hissy trantrums. Why not worry about gaining access to healthcare, insuring people in our community our receiving quality information on HIV, and improving the economy that has impacted so many. The Gay community is not the only group under attack at this point. The right is viciously attacking the center and left. If you idiots continue to attack you will only provide the Right with enough ammunition to gain power. And, guess what is going to happen at that point?
romeo
@ Mitchell #24: Have you ever seen any of the posts here on those topics you mentioned? If you had, you would have seen thoughtful and considered discussions on those and other things at this site. This is a thread about an asshole football coach screaming “faggot.”
All I see when I look at your post is a complete, fucking holier than thou dimwit. Jesus, I hope you’re not really gay.
schlukitz
@ no. 7 – Mr. Enemabag Jones
Has anyone noticed that since Obama became president, things have gotten worse for American queers?
Could we have expected any differently when Mr. Obama made it crystal clear that “I believe that marriage consists of one man and one woman.”
It was all downhill from there.
@ no. 10 – Bill Perdue
Things haven’t gotten worse, they stayed the same, and that’s bad, very bad indeed.
Except the loss of same-sex marriage in California and Maine, something that both states had, and now New York, before it even got off the ground. Next, comes Iowa.
They there is the Prick Warren being invited to Obama’s affair and, only to be followed by a meeting with the President of Ugandga and the subsequent appearance of legislation calling for imprisonment/execution of gays?
Forgive me for disputing you, Bill (I am usually solidly behind you), but to my way of thinking, things have gotten worse and appear to be disintegrating rapidly.
schlukitz
Typo: Then there is…
schlukitz
@ no. 35 – Romeo to Mitchell #24
Co-sign.
The usual litany of excuses from those who do not believe in civil-rights for the LGBT community.
If he is straight, why doesn’t he just stay on his own Tits, Twats and Ass sites, instead of lurking lurking/jerking here?
pantherq
Perhaps that is the only way he knows how to hook up.
Michael Letterman
Civil rights are reserved for Civil Groups NOT sexual preference.
Being a fag doesn’t get you any special rights or privileges all it does is brand you a deviant and perverse person no different from the members of NAMBLA or those who have sex in animal costumes or with children. I don’t care what perversity you choose to follow you damn well won’t be getting any special rights and in fact when the time is right you’ll be losing what little acceptance you now have.
romeo
Guys! Guys! Hide the animal costumes! Letterman’s back in here!
Jeez, Michael, you know more about all that shit than we do. What’s up with that? LMAO
Are you eating anything, Mike? What are you eating?
Michael Letterman
Romeo: I believe it’s important to keep an eye on the perverts so that when they try to rise up we can quash them right back down.
And while your in an info mood, why yes I just ate dinner, egg roll, won ton soup and some fried rice, thank you for your strange and inappropriate question.
schlukitz
@ at Queerty Staff:
You guys are upset because some coach at some university yelled “fucking asshole faggot” at someone on the playing field, yet you don’t even raise an eyebrow when a straight, fag-basher like Michael Letterman posts comments like…
I believe it’s important to keep an eye on the perverts so that when they try to rise up we can quash them right back down.
and other derogatory and debasing, anti-gay slurs, one after the other, on thread after thread, to those of us who come to this site thinking that we have a safe and sane place in which to come and exchange dialogue that is of interest and benefit to the LGBT community?
Michael addresses us in the same manner white supremacists addressed blacks before they won their civil rights in 1964. No one, in this day and age, would be allowed, even for one moment, to address a black person in the manner Michael just addressed Romeo in his post no. 32 without serious ramifications..both physical and legal. It’s against the law.
We may not have the law to defend us from this type of verbal abuse, but it seems to me that it would behoove Queerty.com to be taking a more active interest and involvement in protecting LGBT folks who come to your site and providing an environment that is free from this sort of harassment and debasement.
I am certain that none of us would continue for long to patronize a gay bar or club that allows this sort of thing. Why would you think that your readers will continue to come to an Internet site, where this sort of thing goes on ad infinitum and right under the nose of Queerty editors, no less?
That remark is not only homophobic, it is threatening. By what method will “we quash them down”? Baseball bats? Beer bottles? Gunfire? What? What?
Would we of LGBT community be allowed to go onto a straight site and make similar comments and threats to the commentators on their blog sites, without risking being thrown off and barred and, if not worse? Me thinks not.
I really don’t understand why you allow this sort of thing to go on unabated. We no more than get rid of one nut, like “Youcanthandlethetruth” and that wild, fag-bashing bitch whose name I forget, who was backing him and making footballs of all of us for their amusement for a good part of this past summer, and then another one comes along to take their place.
Not only are you not enforcing your own posting rules against fag-bashers like Michael,, you have even taken away our ability to flag violators like him.
It begs the question, “what gives, Queerty?”
ChrisM
I have a hard time believing this Michael Letterman character is married. He’s probably never even touched a woman and is taking out his sexual frustrations on people who are getting some.
It’s always the extremely under-sexual or over-sexual jerk-offs that are the blatant homophobes, and he certainly doesn’t seem like an over-sexual one.
I agree with Schlukitz. I believe in free speech. But gay-bashing seems like an obvious candidate for deletion on a GAY site. We face it when we’re the minority, why should we have to face it here where we’re the majority?
schlukitz
Jeez, Michael, you know more about all that shit than we do. What’s up with that?
Romeo, Michael probably sneaks out of the house after his wife goes to sleep, if indeed, he is married, drives to the Eagle Leather Bar in Manhattan, puts on his leather or rubber doggie hood and his leash leash before entering the place and then spends the evening crawling around on all fours while sniffing the crotches and asses of all the leather men. ;P
Bill Perdue
No. 26 • schlukitz – Hi. The more debate and disagreement the better – it helps clarify things. I often agree with you too but not on this.
In terms of the LGBT struggle for equality things were bad and getting worse under Clinton (DOMA, DADT), and bad and getting worse under Bush (DOMA as a wedge issue in almost 30 states and constant hate speech from the WH) and they’re bad and getting worse under Obama (unrelenting hate speech from the WH and his DoJ in defense of Clintons DOMA and DADT, “gawd’s in the mix”) and etc.
In terms of other issues all three support deregulation and TARP which are very bold Robin Hood in Reverse measures to steal from working people and give to the rich. No surprise there, that’s what these hustling lap dogs of the rich are paid to do. And all three support the oil wars and the use of racist military genocide in South Asia. No letup there. GIs and civilians will continue to die in awful ways and in awful numbers, as they did under Clinton and Bush.
I just don’t agree with idea that Obama’s bigotry is qualitatively worse than that of Clinton or Bush. It’s all part of a continuous bipartisan policy of divide and rule aimed at us, African Americans, women, immigrant and imported workers , Latino/Latinas, the unions and etc. Divide and Rule. Its part of a huge problem that was left unsolved by the First American Revolution and the Civil War which allowed the looter class to have everything it own way. The rest of us are variously kicked under the bus, tied to train tracks or stabbed in the back on a regular on-going basis.
Their policies of cutting the standard of living of working people, sponsoring bigotry and engaging in colonialist wars are so uniformly bad that I don’t think you can blame one more than the other. I think it’s more important to point out their similarities than their differences in terms of helping people understand the kind of history we’re trapped in.
Although from the point of view of forming a strategic and tactical approach as administrations change we do have to compare them. For instance this one will be compared not to its immediate predecessors but to the Hoover and Nixon Administrations. Which means we’ll have to get our asses into the antiwar movement and unions because they’ll be taking the point soon and unions are the heavy infantry of social change.
Bill Perdue
In No. 24 • Mitchell bellows that ”All I see is White gay people screaming for MARRIAGE RIGHTS… which is odd because all the rest of us saw was the vast majority of African American NY state Senators stand up for us in solidarity yesterday. There are lots of non-white people who want and support same sex marriage and your attempt to paint them out of the struggle is revealing.
Then Mitchell says that we don’t deserve a hearing because “we are going through a recession, unemployment is at an all time high, and we are still trying to get out of war in which we never should have gotten into.” What a jackass! All the movements for social change should be encouraged and only a bigot or an agent for bigots would say we have to stand at the end of the line. We’re done with that bullshit Mitchell.
Then our little Mitchell tells us that “Every one of you are coming across is (grammar, tense) self-absored (sic) whinners(sic).“ Can you spell Bonehead English? Probably not. Coincidentally, or maybe not, that’s what all the right wing religious pigs say about us but if it makes you feel better they can’t spell, write or think coherently either.
Next the jackass tells us that “Republicans nor (grammar) Democrats want to be bothered with your silly hissy trantrums (sic). As if anyone but you gave a rat’s ass about what those lap dogs of the rich think.
Then Mitchell wonders ” Why not worry about gaining access to healthcare, insuring people in our community our receiving quality information on HIV, and improving the economy that has impacted so many.” Well, stupid, if you spent less time in the lap of cult leaders and political hustlers and more time working the LGBT struggle you’d know that we do.
Last but not least Jackass sternly warns us that “If you idiots continue to attack you will only provide the Right with enough ammunition to gain power.” Here’s a news flash dummy, the right wing is in power. And here’s another news flash, you’re a pretty dense right- winger yourself.
Bill Perdue
No. 18 • wondermann – quite some time ago I asked you for a list of all the things Obama’s done for us.
It must be a long. long list of really wonderful stuff because it’s taking you a long, long time to compile it.
Or is there some other reason you’re tardy?
schlukitz
Hi Bill. I can always count on you for a respectful, factual and swift reply. You made some excellent points and you did indeed, clarify things.
I am afraid that my being in the doldrums over our loss in New York yesterday was coloring my mood as well as my perception of how things are going for the LGBT movement and thus my response to your post. Thanks for pulling me out of the doldrums and helping me to regain my perspective
As is your custom, you are always able to retain a cool, relaxed, non-emotional view of the entire picture and keep a sensible and logical perspective. It’s one of the things I have always admired about your commentaries.
Thank you again, Cap’n, for keeping the ship on an even keel. ;)I bid you a pleasant, good evening.
P.S. Co-sign on your reply to Mitchell. You said it so much better than I ever could have. Masterfully done!
schlukitz
Bill, your post to Wondermann is cracking me up. You DO have a way with words, you devil, you. ;P
romeo
Bill, thanks for taking the time on your thoughtful posts. I am in sympathy with many of your ideas and find your words encouraging. I don’t know if I am as optimistic about coalitions, but have found that unions have often been among our greatest friends and I support them. Considering what we are up against, yes, I think aligning ourselves with friends and moving forward together is the way to go. With so many people in such desperate trouble these days, maybe those old ideas will start to pick up steam again. Time will tell.
Schlukitz and Chris, don’t know what’s up with Letterman. He’s so fucked up, but somehow needy. (?) I just don’t know. But you’re right, his consistent abusive intrusion unnecessarily distracts from and fractures our discourse here.
B
In No. 9, Bill Perdue, wrote, “Democrats gave us DADT and DOMA and gutted ENDA.”
Reality: DOMA was passed in 1996 and authored by a Republican Georgia Representative, Bob Barr. In 1996 both the Senate and the House of Representatives were controlled by Republicans. Clinton signed it, probably to avoid it becoming an election issue. DADT was the best they could do in the early 1990s. Finally, ENDA was “gutted” because otherwise it had zero chance of being passed.
Everyone would like faster progress but it is silly to blame the people who actually tried to do something useful.
B
In No. 21 · brian wrote, “Stanford Daily sounds like a piece of college trash with an adolescent mindset.” For what? Saying that their football coach had been effective? It was simple reporting and my guess is that nobody writing for The Standford Daily had heard his alleged use of the “f” word. A QUEERTY commenter (No. 6) couldn’t make it out either even after listening to the clip several times.
StanfordStudent
As an current Stanford student who worked at the Daily last year, I feel almost obligated to respond to this post.
Let me express the idea that the Daily would be perfectly willing to run this story. They will probably cover this incident in the future, but most likely the reason that they have not run anything at the moment is because the staff was not aware this was happening. Although I do not work at the Daily any more, I find personal attacks against the students and our newspaper offensive, such as calling it a “a piece of college trash with an adolescent mindset”. Keep in mind that the Daily is run by students who are currently preparing for finals (which are next week). A single word uttered during a fleeting second of a football game is not particularly an event that you could have expected the entire campus to know about, even a week after the game.
It may be because I am here first-hand and know the general atmosphere of tolerance — nay, acceptance — but I’m inclined to believe Harbaugh’s denial of these accusations: http://glaadblog.org/2009/12/03/stanford-coach-jim-harbaugh-tells-glaad-youtube-video-is-wrong/
http://outsports.com/jocktalkblog/2009/12/03/jim-harbaugh-i-did-not-say-faggot/
I do agree that should evidence be presented that Harbaugh really did yell “faggot” during the game that some form of punishment should be levied. However, according to other sites, the video (before it was set to private) was muted and the uploader used captions to guess what Harbaugh was saying. Because of the current lack of evidence, I have to ask you please not to get up in arms over a muted video and thus prove to right wingers that we are indeed the “militant gays” that they call us. Prematurely judging the situation, I feel, would be a bad step.
romeo
It’s hard to tell from the vid. I say give him a pass.
Bill Perdue
b, the steadfast little lap dog of the DNC is back, this time wagging his tail and yapping up a storm for Bill Clinton.
DOMA wasn’t a Republican bill, it was a bipartisan bill championed by Bill Clinton. It passed 85-14 in the Senate and 342-67 in the House. The overwhelming majority of House and Senate Democrats voted for it either because they were bigots or because Clinton strong armed them. That included Biden and Mikulski who should have known better than to betray us.
Senate vote on DOMA
YEAs —85
Abraham (R-MI)
Ashcroft (R-MO)
Baucus (D -MT)
Bennett (R-UT)
Biden (D -DE)
Bingaman (D -NM)
Bond (R-MO)
Bradley (D -NJ)
Breaux (D -LA)
Brown (R-CO)
Bryan (D -NV)
Bumpers (D-AR)
Burns (R-MT)
Byrd (D -WV)
Campbell (R-CO)
Chafee (R-RI)
Coats (R-IN)
Cochran (R-MS)
Cohen (R-ME)
Conrad (D -ND)
Coverdell (R-GA)
Craig (R-ID) Shocking.
D’Amato (R-NY)
Daschle (D -SD)
DeWine (R-OH)
Dodd (D -CT)
Domenici (R-NM)
Dorgan (D -ND)
Exon (D -NE)
Faircloth (R-NC)
Ford (D -KY)
Frahm (R-KS)
Frist (R-TN)
Glenn (D -OH)
Gorton (R-WA)
Graham (D -FL)
Gramm (R-TX)
Grams (R-MN)
Grassley (R-IA)
Gregg (R-NH)
Harkin (D -IA)
Hatch (R-UT)
Hatfield (R-OR)
Heflin (D -AL)
Helms (R-NC)
Hollings (D-SC)
Hutchison (R-TX)
Inhofe (R-OK)
Jeffords (R-VT)
Johnston (D-LA)
Kassebaum (R-KS)
Kempthorne (R-ID)
Kohl (D-WI)
Kyl (R-AZ)
Lautenberg (D-NJ)
Leahy (D-VT)
Levin (D-MI)
Lieberman (DD-CT)
Lott (R-MS)
Lugar (R-IN)
Mack (R-FL)
McCain (R-AZ)
McConnell (R-KY)
Mikulski (D-MD) should have known better
Murkowski (R-AK)
Murray (D-WA)
Nickles (R-OK)
Nunn (D-GA)
Pressler (R-SD)
Reid (D-NV)
Rockefeller (D-WV)
Roth (R-DE)
Santorum (R-PA)
Sarbanes (D-MD)
Shelby (R-AL)
Simpson (R-WY)
Smith (R-NH)
Snowe (R-ME)
Specter (R-PA)
Stevens (R-AK)
Thomas (R-WY)
Thompson (R-TN)
Thurmond (R-SC)
Warner (R-VA)
Wellstone (D-MN)
NAYs —14
Akaka (D-HI)
Boxer (D-CA)
Feingold (D-WI)
Feinstein (D-CA)
Inouye (D-HI)
Kennedy (D-MA)
Kerrey (D-NE)
Kerry (D-MA)
Moseley-Braun (D-IL)
Moynihan (D-NY)
Pell (D-RI)
Robb (D-VA)
Simon (D-IL)
Wyden (D-OR)
Not Voting – 1
Pryor (D-AR)
In the Senate 56 Republicans voted for, 29 Democrats for, 14 Democrats against and one Democrat not voting. the House vote was just as lopsided, with most Democrats voting their bigotry.
After the vote Clinton bought radio ads on dozens of redneck baptist and evangelical southern stations boasting that he was against same sex marriage and opposed reproductive choice for women.
That’s why right wing propagandists like b work so hard to invent excuses for Democrats like Clinton and Obama.
b tells us that “ENDA was “gutted” because otherwise it had zero chance of being passed.” b, if nothing else, is relentlessly, boringly stupid, and an all around ahistorical cretin.
ENDA was gutted for one reason only – the people who make money discriminating against us like the Chamber of Commerce wanted it gutted. End of story. The Democrats are the lapdogs of the rich just like b is their lapdog. The Democrats point man in the evisceration of ENDA was Barney Frank who tacked on the exclusion of coverage for Transfolk because that’s his bigotry. He accepted every amendment offered by Republicans including one that said that ENDA could not be used to oppose Clintons DOMA. In any case in 2007 the Democrats didn’t want to be seen as GLBT friendly (as if) so they quietly dropped ENDA. b’s going to have to make up better excuses than that if he wants to get paid.
b tell us that DADT was the best Democrats could do in 1993. Was the Vietnam war was the best Democrats could do in 1965? Was slavery was the best Democrats could do until the Union army of farmers, workers and freedmen drove their piggy little faces into the ground at Appomattox?
Honest people think we can do better. But not our little b . He thinks they’re our friends. The rest of us wonder why we need enemies if we have friends like that.
Bill Perdue
No. 39 • schlukitz – I was in the dumps too. Or more accurately, enraged.
This is getting really awful.
Most liberal right centrists and virtually all conservative right centrists are against and so is the WH, most of congress and the big cults like the catholic boy rapists, the southern baptist/KKK axis if evil, the lds dummies and the evangelicals.
To counter that we have lots of support among unions and in the political left of the African American and Latino/Latina communities and widespread support among youth. GSA/GLSENs groups are organized on over 3000 high school campuses and similar groups exist on virtually every college and university campus. Those new forces are constantly refreshing our movements and driving it to the left.
Thankfully, history is on our side in a big way.
No. 41 • romeo (and any one who wants to see how deeply the unions are changing and getting more militant) check this out: http://www.kclabor.org/
You can get on their email list. It’s a very good source on unions, the antiwar and environmental movements.
Cam
No. 42 · B said…
In No. 9, Bill Perdue, wrote, “Democrats gave us DADT and DOMA and gutted ENDA.”
Reality: DOMA was passed in 1996 and authored by a Republican Georgia Representative, Bob Barr. In 1996 both the Senate and the House of Representatives were controlled by Republicans. Clinton signed it, probably to avoid it becoming an election issue.
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Clinton signed it when he was approximately 16 points ahead in the polls, so you can’t attack one side and then completely excuse him. In a June 1996 interview in The Advocate, Clinton said: “I remain opposed to same-sex marriage. I believe marriage is an institution for the union of a man and a woman. This has been my long-standing position, and it is not being reviewed or reconsidered.”
Michael Letterman
schlukitz: How dare you imply I was advocating violence against homosexuals that was a downright libelous statement. In fact I have, on many occaisions beaten the crap out of people who brought violence against homosexuals or any other sub group. I used “quash” as in it’s litteral meaning to stamp out any legislation which would give “rights” to ANY group based solely on their sexual preference. To give a privlidge to gays is no different than giving the same privlidge to other sexual deviants (anything other than the NORM).
The point you need get through your skull is that I have every right to push my point of view as you have to push yours. You want to advocate deviancy, go ahead I’ll advocate morality and decency to counter it. It worked in NY it will work everywhere.
ChrisM: Who cares what you believe. I’ve been happily married to the same woman for 22 years. She knows it and I know it for you to know it makes no difference.
Schlukitz: Yeah I wait for my wife to fall asleep then I take a 1600 mile drive to a bar in Manhatten. Oh then I beat the crap out of gays and whatever else your overworked imagination can dream up I do.
All: Face facts you want to get worked up about being called faggots then abandon the word. Faggot means “a bunch of sticks” and thats exactly how I use it when I refer to gays being faggots. I would think Queer, which means “odd” or “strange” would be more of a slur to you. But it’s your lifestyle you choose what is or is not a slur.
When you start to realize your a just a sexual minority of confused people who want to be accepted as an actual gender, there are two genders, male and female. Pick one and stick with it.
Mike
-occasions
-Manhattan
-literal
-privilege
-the period (.)
-you’re
Stop being a grammar deviant, Michael Letterman. Poor spelling and grammar is a sign of laziness, or sloth, one of the seven deadly sins.
Michael Letterman
Mike: I apologize for my spelling and grammer errors. All I can say is I was typing fast and hit submit before I got a chance to read what I had written. I know that is a poor excuse. So again I apologize for any reduction to the content of my comments brought about by my lack of editing.
schlukitz
@ no. 51 – Michael Letterman
So again I apologize for any reduction to the content of my comments brought about by my lack of editing.
That’s ok, Michael. There wasn’t much content in your comments anyway.
Michael Letterman
schlukitz: There was enough content that Mike selected to correct the grammer and spelling. However the gist of what I said was not under question and therefore was understandable.
I am not seeking to convert you only to enlighten you. It is for you to choose between right and wrong I only offer a tool to help make that choice.
romeo
Michael, convert us to what? That which would be an unnatural life for us?
As for the term “faggot” in reference to homosexuals, it’s real origin derives from the time that the Catholic church could bundle powerless homosexuals in groups of two and three and use them as part of the kindling, to show their contempt for them, in the public burnings of heretics and Jews.
And in spite of that kind of power over our lives, we still appeared SPONTANEOUSLY in every generation, in every country, in every period of history. Indeed, most species exhibit homosexual behavior. We are part of Nature. We are a NORM in Nature. Michael, your prejudice is part of a tradition, not a norm, that arose out of a religious worldview that rejected the natural world. Could not cope with the reality that there are differences among us. Societies did not always think that way, and, indeed, much of the world does not think that way now.
Your view is the abnormal one, Michael. There is no enlightenment in your views, only ignorance. It has blinded you to seeing anything but evil in us. You have no place here. You’re boring and intrusive.
You have your own world; go to it.
romeo
And incidentally, Michael, when the churches had that kind of power over us and they still weren’t able to REALLY convert us, what chance do you think you have?
Michael Letterman
Romeo: does being queer preclude you from having any reading comprehension skills? I said I’m NOT out to convert you. As in I have “no wish” to convert you from anything to anything else. Be what you are.
I have gay friends and gay co-workers (and some gay co-workers who are friends as well) I have no problem with anyone being what they are.
It’s when you think being what you are entitles you to special rights and privileges that I have a difference of opinion.
Don’t expect me to keep my opinions to myself as I do not expect you to keep your opinions to yourself. It is by sharing openly our opinions together that we wade through the chaff and get to the heart of the matter.
I also want to point out that faggot has many meanings other than being to describe homosexuals. I won’t insult your intelligence by listing them. If you find offence at the word it is only because you select to. Words like opinions have little value other than that which we ascribe to them.
We are the ones that give “power” to words and just as we give it we can take said “power” away.
romeo
Michael, I see I did misread your post. In my defense, I tend to go a little cross-eyed when I read your stuff. Most people of your sort do want us to convert. When we are denied jobs, promotions, housing, unjustly made pariahs in society, etc., then we are not seeking “special” privileges. All of that and more exists in America now. We want the rights of every other tax paying citizen, and we are way often denied them. In many places in this country we have to fear for our lives just because we’re alive.
Michael, you’re a hypocrite when you say you don’t hate us. Every word of yours in here is filled with hatred and contempt. You say you know homosexuals through law enforcement or something. Do you think you know all gay people from that experience? I don’t think you know many of us at all. It certainly doesn’t sound like it.
Let me close my last response to you with the observation a researcher made about us in the 1950’s.
“It’s not how badly they do, but how WELL they do, given what they have to deal with.”
Michael Letterman
Romeo: I never denied a job, promotion or even rental (when I owned a boarding house in NY) to anyone based on their sexual preference. That is none of my business and if it does not affect their job it is not for me to know or care about.
I do not hate gays. I have almost my whole professional life in law enforcement I never claimed to know all only some gay people. Some are wonderful human beings and others are less so. What they do in the privacy of their home is none of my or anyone else’s business.
I only get involved when the issue of “rights” comes up.
While I never heard your quote and you didn’t attribute it for me to research it in context, I have one for you….
Dr. Joseph Nicolosi
“I do not believe that any man can ever be truly at peace in living out a homosexual orientation.”
“I think two male bodies are anatomically incompatible. The penis was not designed to be stuck up another man’s rectum….You can’t put the penis/vagina relationship and the penis/rectum on the same level.”
“I think the homosexual condition has certain limitations to it. I think that two men in a relationship have difficulty and two women would have difficulty where there is a certain compatibility between male and female.”
schlukitz
@ no. 56 – Michael Letterman
Like Romeo, I too tend to get a bit cross-eyed when I read your stuff. Everything you said in your post, and like most that preceded this one, is disingenuous.
Romeo: does being queer preclude you from having any reading comprehension skills? I said I’m NOT out to convert you. As in I have “no wish” to convert you from anything to anything else. Be what you are.
Despite the fact that Romeo has responded to you with courtesy and respect and has refrained from calling you any degrading names, as you have done in almost all of your posts thus far, you begin by calling Romeo a queer, which immediately shuts down the meaningful dialogue you claim to seek.
As to the “conversion” issue. If, as you steadfastly claim, you have no wish to convert us, then it begs the question of why are you posting so often and furiously? You seem to feel the need to respond to each and every post with superiority and condemnation, even when you are addressed with respect and reason.
I have gay friends and gay co-workers (and some gay co-workers who are friends as well) I have no problem with anyone being what they are.
Sounds eerily reminiscent of the old comment by white supremacists “Some of my best friends are black.” Epic fail, Michael. Your comment is smarmy and contemptuous and uplifted only by the fact that you chose to use the word gay, instead of saying “Some of my best friends are faggots”, a derogatory term which you have steadfastly defended.
It’s when you think being what you are entitles you to special rights and privileges that I have a difference of opinion.
Romeo did an excellent job of setting you straight on that issue in his post no. 57. Further comment would be moot and insulting to any intelligent person of reason and logic.
Don’t expect me to keep my opinions to myself as I do not expect you to keep your opinions to yourself. It is by sharing openly our opinions together that we wade through the chaff and get to the heart of the matter.
Opening dialogue with demeaning and derogatory words like abominations, perverts, faggots and similar debasements, is not dialogue, Michael. It is mean. It is bigoted. It is hateful and it is discriminatory. It is also the dialogue of a supremacist. Epic fail. As a Jew and given the history of wrongdoings against your people, you of all people should know better.
Oh…and btw…what IS the heart of the matter? That faggots are an abomination?
I also want to point out that faggot has many meanings other than being to describe homosexuals.
That’s rich. A Jewish homophobe lecturing LGBT on the meaning of hateful invectives. Another epic fail. Try telling a black man what the true meaning of “n***er” is and see what happens. Perhaps it is YOU, who will be met by a black man outside of this blog, who will teach YOU a little respect that you threatened to hand-out to Robert NYC and which YOU so sorely need. Pot. Kettle?
If you find offence at the word it is only because you select to. (tsk. tsk. Spelling is obviously not your strong suit)
Another epic fail. It’s like a rapist telling his victim that she “selected”, as you so indelicately put it, to take offense at being called a “fucking cunt” as he physically and verbally defiles her. You and your lot always use this MO to defend your most ungodly words and actions. For people like you, it is always the victim who is clearly wrong.
Words like opinions have little value other than that which we ascribe to them. We are the ones that give “power” to words and just as we give it we can take said “power” away.
Sorry, Mac. That is so airy-fairy and full of shit that it stinks to high heaven. Text-book, ESTonian bs that is so out of touch with reality and the real word that it boggles the imagination.
Tell that to some young gay person who has just hung themselves or been shot between the eyeballs in a classroom, because bullies like you feel the need to hurl invectives and words filled with your disgust and hatred for gay people at them.
You, and people like you, must be so proud of the power that YOU choose to imbue such words with.
I won’t insult your intelligence by trying to “convert” you into a nicer, more caring and loving person (that’s obviously impossible, but I will invite you to take a deep, introspective look into the reasons for your contempt and disdain for LGBT people.
You weren’t born with it, Michael and “God” did not imbue you with it.
You learned it. And like all hatred, Michael, it has to be carefully taught and nurtured to keep it alive.
Is that your lot in life, Michel, to be a teacher and a carrier of the torch for hatred? Because if it is, that hatred will only wind-up consuming the carrier of it.
ChrisM
“It’s when you think being what you are entitles you to special rights and privileges that I have a difference of opinion.”
You hypocrite! If you really believed that, then you would believe that heterosexuals shouldn’t be allowed to marry! You are advocating the idea that only heterosexuals have the right to marriage. That is a special right based on people being who they are. Where’s your outcry at that, Michael?
The point is nobody should be DENIED rights based on who they are. To deny rights just because someone is LGBT is fundamentally unAmerican.
“Who cares what you believe. I’ve been happily married to the same woman for 22 years. She knows it and I know it for you to know it makes no difference.”
When homosexuals finally get the rights we deserve, this is the attitude I’ll be taking when you tell us that you believe we are ignoring our alleged “normal” heterosexuality for “deviance.” Under better circumstances, no one here would give a shit that you pretend to know more about a person’s sexuality then they do themselves. But the stupid things you believe influence the quality of our lives, and so a passive attitude towards stupidity is not a good one right now.
By the way, you should share the things you say here with your supposed gay friends. You won’t have many gay friends afterwards.
schlukitz
@ no. 53 – Michael Letterman
I am not seeking to convert you only to enlighten you. It is for you to choose between right and wrong
And who are you, may I ask, to judge between who is right and who is wrong?
Isn’t it you religious types who always claim tht it is only for God to make those kinds of judgments?
schlukitz
@ no. 60 ChrisM
Thank you for your most supportive comments. We of the LGBT community are truly appreciative and thankful that so many understanding and accepting folks like you exist.
Congratulations on your happy marriage of 22 years. At the age of 73, I will have been with my partner, come this New Years Eve., for seven, wonderful years. Would that I could live long enough to celebrate 22 years of marriage to my mate.
Btw, I loved your closing comment to Michael. I wish I had thought to say the same thing. 😉
schlukitz
Another epic fail, Michael.
Re: Dr. Joseph Nicolosi’s observations.
Quoting one man’s stupidity and ignorance, does not the truth make.
Many educated and so-called learned men believed that the earth was flat and that the sun revolved around it.
That didn’t make it the truth either.
Michael Letterman
schlukitz: When you get cross eyed shouldn’t you tell your um “friend” to pull out a little?
Now Queer is a slur too? the name of the frigging website is a play on that word. Perhaps your too sensitive. As for why I post I believe I explained that several times. It has nothing to do with wanting to change who or what you are.
Yeah some of my best friends (and neighbors) are black too what does that have to do with anything. I’ve had many discussions regarding the background of the word nigger and again we come to the conclusion that the power words have over us are the power we give them.
I don’t hate any group conversely I don’t believe a sexual preference entitles you to any special legislation.
ChrisM: I said being what you are, not being what I am. What I am is what is normal for mankind heterosexual what you are is what is most decidedly NOT normal for mankind. No Creator or any evolution would put a man/man woman/woman together as normal. A quick look at the anatomy shows that simple fact. It is an aberration, a perversion of what is right.
This is exactly why homosexuals will never be granted special rights just like pedophiles and other sexual deviants will never get these rights.
BTW there is nothing I would say here that I do not say to my friends in conversation. I will not claim they agree with me but I have just as much a right to my opinion as you or they do and that is something that my friends and I do agree on.
Had to go all the way back to flat earth theories huh? ok
Be who you are, be what you want. You are free to do it all behind your closed door.
Out here in the world I can have my say and if you like it or not it still gets said.
Congrats on your long life and I do hope you get that 22 years in your relationship. May they all be happy and full of joy. May peace guide you all the days of your life.
I’ve had my say and you’ve listened, what you take away from it is for you to decide. I learned many things myself here. I have learned that I allow people to drag me off message too easily and too frequently. I will endeavor to fix that.
To me you are abnormal but that is but my opinion and you’ve done nothing so far to shake it.
schlukitz
@ no. 64 – Michael Letterman
schlukitz: When you get cross eyed shouldn’t you tell your um “friend” to pull out a little?
Very good. While I am not sure exactly how you meant that, I can appreciate the humor in your comment. I may be old, but I am not a fuddy-duddy.
Be who you are, be what you want. You are free to do it all behind your closed door.
That’s a double-standard, Michael, which applies to heterosexuals as well. Oh..and please do not use the tired, over-used comment that it’s “normal” for heteros to flaunt their sexuality all over the place, but not “normal” for homos to do the same thing. It just doesn’t fly in this day and age of scientific knowledge and enlightenment.
Out here in the world I can have my say and if you like it or not it still gets said.
Fair enough. I would fight to the death for your right to freedom of speech, so long as it does not impinge on my inalienable right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.
And that includes not suggesting or passing laws that reflect any bigotry on your behalf or your perception of what is right and wrong. Those are purely spiritual and religious views that have no place in the secular world/government and that’s what should remain behind closed doors.
Congrats on your long life and I do hope you get that 22 years in your relationship. May they all be happy and full of joy. May peace guide you all the days of your life.
I will choose to believe that your well wishes are sincere and coming from your heart and for which I do thank you.
I’ve had my say and you’ve listened, what you take away from it is for you to decide. I learned many things myself here.
I am delighted to hear that you have learned many things here. I’ve learned a few myself. That is the true spirit of intelligent debate and the hoped for result.
I have learned that I allow people to drag me off message too easily and too frequently. I will endeavor to fix that.
I am not certain as to what your “message” is, how we are supposed to take it or now you will endeavor tofix that. I would remind you, however, that you are a guest in a gay-orientated website and as the name of it implies by your own observation.
We gays welcome guests from all walks of life, however, and invite them to share their thoughts and comments with us…with just one stipulation. And that stipulation is, that you be respectful and observe the rules of etiquette when you are in the home/space of your hosts. Doing otherwise, is merely being a bull in a china shop and results in being asked to leave and told not darken our doorstep again.
Just as we would not come into your home or space to demean you or any member of your family, make comments about your chosen sexuality, pick a fight or hurl invectives, we would ask you to observe the same standards of decency that you so often remind us of.
To me you are abnormal but that is but my opinion and you’ve done nothing so far to shake it.
Um..this is precisely the point I sought to make in my previous comments. Calling me abnormal, in my home/space no less, does nothing to endear you to my heart or make me shake my dubious and sagging opinion of you.
Complimenting me on the one hand and then slapping me in the face on the other, serves only to shut-down down the dialogue, lessen my respect for you as a human being and make you anunwelcome guest in my home/space.
Food for thought, Michael.
ChrisM
Schlukitz, just in case you thought otherwise, as a gay man I am a member of the LGBT community. Just wanted to clear that up, because your comment to me gave me the impression you thought I was an outsider.
Michael Letterman, you have really said nothing else except that your opinion is that we are not “normal.” You have the right to that opinion. But DON’T confuse that with meaning your opinion is right. In fact, only the most bigoted people would disagree that it is wrong.
Also, don’t be so bold to think that your opinion should have any legal effect on our lives. It seems like even you should be able to appreciate that someone hating someone else does not give them the right to denigrate that person under the law. You’re quick to acknowledge that limitation of free speech can lead to horrible things, yet you fail to see that your weak support for such unfounded discriminatory laws could some day come back to bite YOU in the ass. This is what we have all been trying to get at. We don’t give a flying f*** about your opinion (note that I’m not saying you don’t have a right to it – I’m saying we couldn’t care less what you personally think). We care that you tout this opinion as a rationale for legally discriminating against LGBTs, which is complete bullshit.
romeo
Surprisingly, I think this has been a productive dialogue. Had to laugh at the quote Michael L. used about men’s bodies not being compatible for sex. LOL
Don’t knock it if ya never tried it, fella. Niiiiiiiice & tight!
LOL
Guess he doesn’t know that Nature is very compliant too. In arousal, a bottom’s anus moistens just like a vag! Poor Mike, Nature just ain’t on his side. Those old fogey’s he’s quoting didn’t know their ass from a vagina.
LAUGH MY FUCKING ASS OFF!
Michael Letterman
Schlukitz: all of my comments have been sincere and I assure you had I known you were a senior citizen at the onset I would have treated you quite a bit differently. Same thoughts, different word usage. Not that I mean that as an excuse for poor manners but I find sometimes dealing with some youths requires a more earthy approach.
By abnormal what I mean is that it is not what is/was considered normal by design or by faith take your pick. The male/female sexual organs were obviously evolved/created to go together just as the plug/socket, yin/yang, again take your pick. That would be the “norm” anything else is beyond that norm as in abnormal. Perhaps I should add I mean that in a scientific sense not “weird or strange”. Just not um conventional?
ChrisM: you are correct it is just my opinion well not just mine a great many others are of the same mind. However when I write is it “just” on my behalf I do not presume to speak for others.
As for the legal ramifications of your sexual choice. In my work as well as my private life I treat all men (mankind) as equals. In many cases I do not know/care what their sexual preference is until they tell me. I have never sought this information as I consider it beyond my business.
However, while you are entitled to be treated exactly the same as I am in all legal matters. I do not believe that anyone should be allowed to marry someone of their own gender. This is my belief and what I work towards in my private life. I did fight the special treatment law over hate crime but that’s another topic, (in short all crime are hate crime), I have come to see since that for at least awhile this anti hate crime was needed. Until such time as gays are not specifically targeted for their sexual choice.
So in short I do not advocate taking standard human rights away from gays. I just do not advocate granting special rights and privileges based on any sexual deviance (as in other than norm) not as a pejorative.
Romeo: thanks for teaching me one more thing. Never and I mean NEVER read your comments after a full dinner. After speaking with a Doctor friend of mine, he assures me your statement is fiction (stomach feels a wee bit better) nothing on a man has as many mucus ducts as the female vagina.
Never tried it, never will, knocking it, in fact knocking it hard all the same. BTW if you laugh that off whatcha gonna use as a sex organ… never mind I really DON’T want to know.
Furthermore normal vaginal sex will allow for limited amounts of stretching while your anal se
um you know what this portion of the convo is over well n truly. I so don’t want to throw up my dinner.
Congrats on living up to my expectations or should I say down to them.
romeo
Somebody tell Mike that his doctor is being disingenuous; he knows perfectly well that the anus will lubricate in sexual arousal. Perhaps not as much as a vagina, but enough.
Also tell him I hope he had a delicious dinner. LOL
ChrisM
Michael Letterman, it has boiled down to the heart of your hate, which is your use of the phrase “sexual choice.” We do not choose who we are attracted to. Plain and simple as that. You would think that you and other bigots would be able to tell that from your own experiences, unless of course you somehow force yourself to have an erection when you deem it morally appropriate. That’s probably it.
schlukitz
@ no. 66 – ChrisM
Sorry for the confusion on my behalf. I don’t know what made me think that you were straight. Perhaps the comment about your marriage. LOL
I went back and re-read your post and I can readily see that I was mistaken.
Thank you for clarifying that for me and bringing me up to speed. 😉
ChrisM
Oh no, I’m not even married. I was just expressing my disbelief in the marriage that Michael has claimed he is a part of in various places. But no worries.
B
No. 46 · Bill Perdue lied again by writing, “b, the steadfast little lap dog of the DNC is back, this time wagging his tail and yapping up a storm for Bill Clinton. DOMA wasn’t a Republican bill, it was a bipartisan bill championed by Bill Clinton.”
A complete lie – it was sponsored by Bill Barr (A Georgia Republican at the time who has since stated it was a mistake). Bill Perdue’s list of senators who voted for and against it showed that the *only* votes against the bill was from Democrats (both of my senators, who are Democrats, voted against it). Apparently Perdue never bothered to read the material he quoted.
Read http://prideagenda.blogspot.com/2008/03/our-two-cents-on-bill-clintons-doma.html (which isn’t particularly favorable towards Clinton): “To recap 1996, President Clinton was facing a hostile Republican Congress and a re-election challenge by the well-respected but way behind-in-the-polls Senator Bob Dole. Trying to find some issue that would give Dole traction with the electorate, the Republican Congress passed DOMA and sent it to Clinton, essentially daring him not to sign it so that it could be turned into a campaign issue. But he did sign it in what was widely viewed at the time as a cold calculated political decision to make the issue go away in the ’96 campaign. And indeed it did. . .for him. . .in his election.”
You can accuse the Democrats of trying to get themselves elected and compromising when necessary to do that, but by and large they are not overtly hostile towards gays. The Republicans have been.
Beyond that, I’ll ignore the details of Perdue’s rant – he is obviously emotionally disturbed.
B
In No. 48, Cam wrote, “Clinton signed [DOMA] when he was approximately 16 points ahead in the polls, so you can’t attack one side and then completely excuse him. In a June 1996 interview in The Advocate, Clinton said: ‘I remain opposed to same-sex marriage. I believe marriage is an institution for the union of a man and a woman. This has been my long-standing position, and it is not being reviewed or reconsidered.'”
Cam doesn’t understand how elections work. Clinton was making those statements to defuse same-sex marriage as a campaign issue. Do you know what would have happened if he had vetoed DOMA and said he was in favor of same-sex marriages at that time in our history? Well, first Bob Dole would have milked it for as much as it was worth, and Clinton’s 16 point lead would have dropped noticeably. Then Dole’s campaign would have started to make noises about how Dole had momentum as was going to win. Large donors, meanwhile, after looking at the numbers and the negative PR, would have started shifting funding do Dole, which would have caused Clinton’s numbers to drop even faster
That’s why he had to be careful – the last thing you need is to get yourself set up for an accelerating downward spiral.Do you think Clinton would risk blowing it given the 476 million dollars that were spent on the campaign (both sides)?
Bill Perdue
Poor, poor B. A total wipe out. He so wants to be a highly paid quisling and for most lickspittles like B it’s as easy as falling off a log. They just betray us, and then do it again.
They don’t try to make it look pretty or excuse it. Like Barney Frank and most Democrats they just do it.
But not our B. Over and over again he tries to sell us a load of shit – the Democrats are our friends – and over and over again we shoot him down.
Then he whines up a storm and, using the ideas and the vocabulary of other right wing scumbags like Dobson and Robertson, claims that we’re “obviously emotionally disturbed” so he can avoid the evidence, which is all against him and his Democrat friends.
B, no one is going to pay for your continued failures. Give it up. Go back to being a rentacop, a paid scab or a store ‘detective’ or whatever you were doing before you decided to be a fawning little toady for bigots.
Michael Letterman
Romeo: When it comes to your delusion vs. my Doctor friend your delusion pales.
ChrisM: I never said you can choose who to be attacted to I said you choose who to have sex with. My statement stands. If you choose to have sex with another man then that is the choice you make and so therefore your sexual choice, preference, whatever. I don’t care who you have sex wtih, provided its consentual. Beyond sex and into marriage is where my discomfort lay.
ChrisM
So are you saying that you do believe we can be attracted to the same sex? But you still want us to marry the opposite sex, or not at all, anyway? Can you really not see how baseless and stupid your beliefs are the barer and clearer you make them?
What if the tables were flipped on you, homosexuality was the “norm,” and somebody told you that you could only marry a man, even though you were attracted to women? I guess you would have no problem with that, if that was the way society was? You wouldn’t care that you and your partner weren’t getting the benefits from a country that you put just as much into as other couples, just because you had different attractions? I predict you’ll be a coward and not answer this by saying it’s a ridiculous hypothetical situation, but know that when you say that you’re basically throwing in the towel.
B
In No 75, Bill Perdue rants some more and then lies by saying, “Then he whines up a storm and, using the ideas and the vocabulary of other right wing scumbags like Dobson and Robertson, claims that we’re ‘obviously emotionally disturbed'”
So now Perdue is using the royal “we”. I said Perdue is obviously emotionally disturbed, which is the conclusion anyone would make given his vitriolic personal attacks and persistent lies – to the extent of being pathological – directed against anyone who disagrees with him. Perdue gets particularly irate when facts that contradict his beliefs are stated and cited, a sure sign of someone with serious emotional problems.
I’ll ignore the rest of his lies and juvenile insults.
Michael Letterman
ChrisM: There are people who are attracted to many things such as children, animals, anime, trees, cars, just to name a few. That doesn’t mean they should choose to have sex with them or the right to marry them. Is that clear enough?
Why consider a hypothetical. Lets just stick to reality. We can play the if game for years and the answer from me will always be the same. There is normal and there is abnormal or that which is not normal. Homosexuality is not normal by any stretch of the imagination, for if it was that would mean either the Creator or evolution did not plan for us to continue.
If you select to live outside the boundary of what is normal then don’t complain if you are not granted “special” rights and privlidges. Well you can complain… in fact complain all you want. Each time it comes up for a vote it will end the same.
One day Congress will elect to put it up for a national referendum, that and abortion and marijuana and then we as a country will have our say. I’d say recent events lead me to believe more Americans feel the same as I do.
ChrisM
Michael, the HUGE difference between heterosexuals, homosexuals, and pedophiles (besides the fact that many pedophiles admit to NOT having sexual attractions to the kids they are hurting, and do it for the sick power – just like rapists) is that homosexuals and heterosexuals look for consensual relationships. The only real difference between homosexual couples and heterosexual couples is the sex of the people involved (yes, even your perfect hetero brothers engage in anal sex, and be sure to know that not all gays do that). You’ll see that your other examples involve much greater differences. Moreover, many of them sound more like fetishes than sexualities, and heterosexuals, bisexuals, and homosexuals share these idiosyncrasies. Maybe a car inspires a heightened arousal in a person, but it doesn’t seem likely that a person can be naturally attracted to a man-made thing like an automobile.
There are many things that are not normal in our society. It is not normal for people to live into their 80’s – advances in medicine and sanitation have extended the natural lifespan of humans. It is not normal for humans to be able to travel hundreds of miles in a matter of hours – man-made airplanes have made this possible. Homosexuality is much more “normal” than either of these things (both of which, I’m sure, you aren’t condemning). Why did the so-called “Creator” make homosexuality? Even you should know that overpopulation (caused by too much mindless breeding by heterosexuals) is as bad for a society as underpopulation when resources are limited. If some humans were born with sexual attractions to the same sex instead of the opposite one, then it would help curve overpopulation. This type of thing is common in biology. You know that the penis and the clitoris are homologous, meaning they evolved from the same group of cells in a fetus. That’s because evolution recognizes that our species needs both organs to reproduce. It exacts that change in as little work (i.e., using the same cells to achieve two different things) as possible. Evolution also knows that we need multiple sexualities to ensure that reproduction doesn’t go overboard and end up killing us all. It seems likely that sexuality takes the same split as the homologous sex organs in exacting this goal.
Your concept of “normal” as you’ve been arguing it is really just the concept of majority. Otherwise, how do you define normal? It can have nothing to do with harming other people or infringing upon others’ rights or happiness – you have already agreed that homosexuality does not do this. It can’t have to do with our inborn nature, because you have already agreed that homosexuals feel attraction to the same sex and aren’t just kissing the same sex just to irk you. Then what about homosexuality makes it worthy of your criticism? The only thing I can guess is its minority status, and our country is supposed to be one about “majority rules and minority RIGHTS.” And when one couple is getting marriage benefits while another is not, that is a denial of rights and not the absence of “special” ones. You have no reason behind your discrimination except bigotry and blind hate. Get that through your head.
romeo
Chris, Michael’s a brick wall. Arrogant, unimaginative, intellectually immobile, unable to handle any information that disputes his mindset. He also can’t spell “privilege.” He fancies he’s threading through here hitting us with major artillery, and is totally clueless as to what a fucking fool he sounds like. Chris, we were just having some fun with him, but you’re getting way serious, and you’re just going to get your underpants in a twist with this guy. He doesn’t belong here, and he’s a waste of space. Just ignore his posts until he blows away.
Thanks.
ChrisM
You are right, Romeo. I think I have said all I can say without being redundant, anyway. But I sure wish he would take his f’ed up normal self away from us.
And I was going to agree that the way he spells privilege has been bugging the crap out of me, but I realize I misspelled “curb” as “curve” above so I really can’t talk.
Michael Letterman
ChrisM: OK that’s the huge difference… etc. and what one man may call a fetish another is calling, natural for lack of another term. Perhaps homosexuality is in itself a form of fetish albeit one taken to an extreme. The point is when we single out any one sexual fetish or group (other than what is considered normal, or how about I call it vanilla does that help? Then we open up a doorway for all groups to request similar rights and privileges.
Let me put it thus… is it wronger to beat up a homosexual then a disabled child…. I’m going with no it isn’t, both are horrible crimes. So why should the punishment for beating up a homosexual be a hate crime while the attach on the disabled child is not. We can take that further is it worse to attack a heterosexual then a homosexual… I’m still going with no, both are horrible crimes… etc.
Now why should we allow a homosexual to marry and shun the woman who has “fallen in love” with her poodle and wanting to marry it.. ah your argument hinges on the term consensual. In this case the woman will claim her poodle has consented now how do we prove… mind you we’re talking court of law… that the poodle was “forced and did not voluntarily consent”? Good luck with that. This is what has messed up too many cases of statutory rape where the girl in question is a older teen yet deemed to not be of an age where she is allowed to consent. This varies from state to state to an alarming degree.
Now when we get to the rest of your argument. No I would not condemn such things as speedy travel etc… yet when an airplane steps up to request the right to marry I’ll vociferously denounce it.
I find your evolutionary statements to be utterly incorrect. From an evolutionary standpoint it would behove nature to have as much reproduction as possible to ensure continuation of the race. Yes evolution or creation brought about TWO sexes and intended for them to conjoin and reproduce. I’ll stipulate to that. As for evolution caring about over population I have seen no evidence to point to that being true.
My points have nothing to do with majority or minority I explained many times in many posts what I mean by normal and I never once mentioned anything to do with either concept. I feel no need to repeat myself.
We can go on and on about what normal is and is not. But the last time normal consisted of a man/man or even man/boy relationship the majority of people were speaking Latin and the predominant civilization was about to crumble.
schlukitz
You said “Why consider a hypothetical. Let’s stick to reality.”
Then you said “There are people who are attracted to many things such as children, animals, anime, trees, cars, just to name a few.”
Um, but you just listed a whole bunch of hypothetical stuff in one breath that has no relationship or bearing to LGBT people wanting to get married.
Aside from trotting out the the same old, tired and unsubstantiated comparisons that the religious right always try to substantiate their objections to same-sex marriage with, not one of the for instances you listed is demanding their right to marry.
How can they? None of them are able to give their informed consent.
LBGT people can give their informed consent and that makes it a whole different ball of wax. 😉
Michael Letterman
Romeo: yes I’m arrogant but then I have the high ground so I can be so. Unimaginative, sir you wound me I have lots of imagination, in fact I’m imagining holding your neck just under the surface of a crystal clear stream, watching the little bubbles float to the surface, popping with a gentle gurgle of water. Intellectually immobile? my opinions can change as proof of wrong thinking is presented so don’t blame my intransigence on your lack of providing anything to cause me to change my opinions.
In actuality I don’t thread through here, as I said, I visit an aggregater which covers quite a few abnormal blogs pointing out where perversion lies and requires correction. No one is making you read or respond to my posts but you have the “right” to do so as I have the “right” to correct your thought process. Perhaps make you more normal less deviant in the future.
After all your the idiot that thinks an anus provides it’s own lubricant, aren’t you? Anyone who thinks that basic anatomy question is correct is as stupid as the rube who purchased the Brooklyn bridge for the low low price of five dollars. I hope that your lack of lubrication use does not cause you to prematurely require the use of adult diapers but then I don’t think you really care about that.
Occasionally I skip a word spelling here and there I apologize for it however the message seems to be getting through and that’s the point anyway.
ChrisM: I guess I finally got through to you, it was about time.
ChrisM
No, Michael Letterman. It got through to me that you’re a crazy asshole (fantasizing about drowning a man and using such calm language to do it – that’s a psycho if I’ve ever seen one) and that I shouldn’t waste my time responding to you. Goodbye.
schlukitz
Michael, I am also more than slightly amused by your continual usage of the word “normal”. Use use that word as if it were Godwin’s Law…the final word that cannot be argued with.
By your own admission in another thread, you stated that words, in and of themselves, have no power than that which we imbue them with. Well, this is a perfect example.
You have imbued the word “normal” with a special power that super cedes and trumps all other argument, regardless of how sensible or logical.
Here’s the thing, Michael. Normal is only what any given group of people agree upon s being normal. For instance, at various times in history, it was normal to own slaves because there was concensus of people who agreed that it was normal…even ordained by God, if you check your bible.
The concensus of opinion has changed and the majority of people no longer believe that it either ethical or normal to own other human beings against their will.
There was a time when believing in witches, hobgoblins and ghouls was considered normal. The light of scientific evidence proved that none of these things were normal and that they were just the products of ignorance and superstition.
What these two instances prove, conclusively, is that just because a group, and yes, even a majority, believe something is normal, it does not prove that it is.
Normal is nothing more than a concensus of opinion, whether right or wrong. It is an ever changing definition than can blow with the wind, and as such, it is an evil tool that is used by evil men, to justify the evil they wish to do to their fellow man.
And, if you do not believe that, take a good, hard look at what Hitler did to the Jews and what President Moseveni wants to do the the gays in Uganda.
And please notice his use of the term “normal” to justify his plans to promote and carry out genocide in that country.
Michael Letterman
You can call it what you want however there are cases where in each instance I list someone has petitioned a court to allow them to marry. Nothing hypothetical about it. All equally ridiculous to gay marriage.
The whole argument revolves around informed consent which has been declared to be different things in different jurisdictions. There are those who would make the argument that homosexuality is itself a disorder and therefore rendering such incapable of making informed decisions. This is not my argument but until thoroughly disproven it remains a viable point.
Spare me the various scientific studies which claim that homosexuality is or is not one thing or the other, the fact is insufficient time and money has gone into this issue and it remains one of the many unknown mysteries of the world.
schlukitz
Michael, you posted a reply to ChrisM before I had a change to post my response to you in No. 87. Had I had the opportunity to read it beforehand, I wouldn’t have bothered to post it.
Sorry buddy. Fantasizing about drowning a man and using such calm language to do it, is clearly over the top.
I co-sign with ChrisM’s response to you. You are definitely coming across as a psycho and if the editors of this site do not report this to the proper authorities as a death threat, I will and I will also urge every poster on this site who has been the victim of your verbal abuse, to do likewise.
schlukitz
To the editors of Queerty,
Gentlemen, we have here what appears to be the making of a death threat against one of our regular posters on Queerty. Com.
This was posted on Dec. 5, 2009 @ 9:57 pm under the thread Stanford’s Badass Football Coach Jo, Harbaugh Gets ‘Faggot’ Past ABC’s Censors.
“No. 85 · Michael Letterman
Romeo: yes I’m arrogant but then I have the high ground so I can be so. Unimaginative, sir you wound me I have lots of imagination, in fact I’m imagining holding your neck just under the surface of a crystal clear stream, watching the little bubbles float to the surface, popping with a gentle gurgle of water.
Mr. Letterman has definitely gone over the top and is exhibiting psychotic behavior. It is very clear that he coming to this site for one purpose only and that purpose is to provoke, agitate and abuse those LGBT people who come to this site for camaraderie, the exchange pleasant dialogue and healthy debate.
I submit that Mr. Letterman’s postings not only violate the policies of Queerty.com, they also violate the dignity and respect that all LGBT people deserve. LGBT people should not have to tolerate this sort of thing on a gay website.
In the interest of restoring accord and decorum back to our site and our blogs, I respectfully request that Mr. Letterman be barred from this site before he is successful in alienating these posters that still remain.
scott ny'er
why any of my fellow peeps continue to engage with the crazy dude, i just don’t understand. Most people who see crazy people on the street in NYC, just stay clear of them. Why? Because they are CRAZY!!!
just sayin’.
schlukitz
You’re absolutely right, Scott NY’er.
I guess we just didn’t realize just how crazy Michael was until he made Post no. 86 to ChrisM. And that was part of the problem. We couldn’t “see” him.
I sincerely doubt that anyone will be posting any further replies to him, provided that he is not booted from this site for that bizarre murder fantasy comment.
Michael Letterman
schlukltz: While you garner from me a certain degree of respect due to your advanced age there is just so much insult I will take from you. It seems you have a double standard, color me surprised, the queers can insult me and talk about my death and insult my family and friends but I make one humorous fantasy comment and I’m the bad guy. It is this double standard you seek to apply across the boards I got an idea why not put on your rainbow tank top and your short shorts and make a few signs condemning me for fantasizing about drowning a foul mouthed, dirty minded and completely uncouth fagboy.
I find you sir to be not only abnormal in the traditional sense but a pathetic person en-toto. I do not know if it is due to your advanced age or your lifestyle choice but perhaps being a queer is what causes you to also have a double standard after all if your confused about your gender and what the actual purpose of your sex organs are for then you might be confused about everything.
I should have realized what kind of person you are when you said your age and that you have only been in a relationship for seven years. That would leave many, many decades where you were not in a relationship. While I hope you continue to enjoy your relationship for what remains of your life. I do not for a second believe a queer can make a relationship work at all.
Michael Letterman
ChrisM: I expected as much, its fine to insult me and my family but insult a fag ohhhhh, I forgot to take into account the overly sensitive nature of you girl-boys. I honestly don’t expect you to reply to my postings, at some point even you will have to see the truth in my argument and therefore render it unassailable and that only leaves you the tools of the lowly, insult and abuse, oh and mock fury.
schlukltz: Of course you find the word “normal” amusing, an abnormal would. Spare me the reminisces of your youth, yes there was a time ……. there was also a time when being a queer was “normal” and man/man man/boy relationships took preference over man/woman, people also spoke Latin and the entire civilization soon collapsed. That is what happens when an abnormal group tried to redefine themselves as normal.
I may fantasize about it I certainly am not advocating violence to any abnormal group. In fact you can keep sticking your penis wherever you want (I suggest the wall socket) in the privacy of your home. If you find someone who wants to let you bugger them go for it. But if you take it where I can see it or flaunt it where it can influence children or even attempt to change the laws to make it easier. Then I shall get involved and as I said before quash it and legislate it into the shadows and alleyways.
Michael Letterman
I have said time and again I do not advocate violence against queers, you ignore this message and instead fixate on a fantasy I wrote regarding someone who has not only insulted me but my family and friends as well. This is fine, I do not expect decency or fairness from any of you I do not think any of you are capable of it.
If you live your live outside the boundaries of what is acceptable then no one can expect you to have any modicum of respect after all one must respect themselves before they can respect another. I see in many of you the manner in which you compose yourselves in a public forum. You scream for decency when you offer little decency in return, you take offence at others while giving offence yourself, you cry for fairness when you cannot bring yourselves to be fair, you plead foul when the foulness is within yourselves to a greater degree.
In essence you bait then cannot take the heat of the truth offered to you. I do not know if this is inherent to your lifestyle choice or only the dominion of the small minds I’ve encountered here. Gentlemen, and here I use this term in the loosest possible sense, take a good look at yourselves and the lives you have lead so far, if you are comfortable with all you have done and continue to do then congratulations you have succeeded in the attempted destruction of the human race and have managed to spit in the eye of your chosen Creator/evolution. If you are not comfortable it is not too late to correct your path and I’d be happy to assist any and all who wish to change their lifestyles.
B
No. 95 · Michael Letterman wrote, “you ignore this message and instead fixate on a fantasy I wrote regarding someone who has not only insulted me but my family and friends as well. This is fine, I do not expect decency or fairness from any of you I do not think any of you are capable of it.”
While I’ve been ignoring Mr. Letterman’s rants, upon reading that I tried to find any of these alleged insults directed at his family and friends and didn’t see any (although it is admittedly pretty easy to start zoning out who said what in all the clutter).
I would, however, suggest that Mr. Letterman might find a warmer reception if his posts were more intellectually honest. For example: in No 58, he quoted a certain Dr. Joseph Nicolosi as saying “I think two male bodies are anatomically incompatible. The penis was not designed to be stuck up another man’s rectum….You can’t put the penis/vagina relationship and the penis/rectum on the same level.”
A quick google search found http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Nicolosi and that page claims he is “an American clinical psychologist, founder and director of the Thomas Aquinas Psychological Clinic, in Encino, California, and a past-president of the National Association for Research and Therapy of Homosexuality (NARTH).”
Perhaps Mr. Letterman would care to explain what qualifies a psychologist to make medical observations best left to a proctologist. Referring to Nicolosi as “Dr. Nicolosi”, followed by a medical statement about the rectum, gives the impression that he was a physician. He isn’t – he’s a psychologist associated with a religion-based organization (http://home.messiah.edu/~chase/h/HELPLIS.HTM lists the Thomas Aquinas Psychological Clinic under “Christian Ministries for People Wanting Help in Dealing with Homosexuality”).
scott ny'er
@schlukitz
yeah. you know what i mean by “seen”, right. I mean, I like to have nice intellectual discourse with people who want to try and understand LGBT or are willing to listen. But c’mon, all I’ve seen is hate and ugly on various threads from Mr. Crazy. It’s just bait and you guys are feeding into it.
but kudos to all of you for trying.
1equalityUSA
Mr. Letterman, You use the word, “I” alot.
schlukitz
@ no. 97 – Scot NY’er
I know and I am biting my own tongue now for taking the bait and allowing myself to fall into the trap Letterman is obviously baiting and setting for those of us who post regularly on these threads.
After all, I was the one who made the comment that if you want to extinguish a fire, you must deprive it of oxygen. I failed to Heed my own advice. HeeHee
Like you, I too like to have a pleasant, intellectual discourse with people who want to try and understand LGBt folks and are willing to listen. I also like to think that there is good in everyone and I try to appeal to that.
The reality of life seems to be, unfortunately, that there are those who are not interested in nice, intellectual discourse and whose only desire is to shove their agenda down our throats as forcefully and brutally as they deem necessary, since it is “for our own good”. (Sarcasm intended)
Your screen name indicates that you are a New Yorker. Would that be as in New York State or New York City? As you’ve probably already noted from my past posts, I am an ex-New Yorker (state and city) who now resides in Florida, but I recently inherited the family home in Queens, NY and am now spending time on the old homestead making repairs and giving it a bit more “curb appeal”, as they like to say on HGTV.
Hope you are enjoying a pleasant, relaxing and warm Sunday at home. I was a bit freaked by the gloppy snowfall I encountered when I came out of Home Depot late yesterday afternoon. Glad none of it stuck, however. I hate driving in snow and ice.
Oh, and btw, thank you for initiating the nice discourse which I am enjoying. It’s always a pleasure to chat with people who know the meaning of respect and courtesy. 😉
Mark from NM
Mirroring much Mr Letterman?
Michael Letterman
B: I think the lesson you should take from this is to never assume. Just because a quote is offered, one which I may add that was as succient and accurate as can be, does not imply it came from a doctor of medicine, phycology, or a PhD in Theoretics. The quote stands as a monument to those moments when something is stated that is so perfectly correct one must wonder why it need be stated at all.
Furthermore how could anyone expect a warm reception when the message he offers is contrary to what the audience wants to believe. At times I feel as if I’m talking to a group of preschoolers and having to inform them of the fallacy of Santa Claus. I can almost see the heartbreak and agony on the cherubic faces as they learn just what an abomination they have made as a lifestyle choice.
Dr. Nicolosi is but one of many such who are working towards finding a cure for such a dreaded disease, perhaps of the mind, perhaps of the genetic code or perhaps merely viral in nature. I so not pretend to know but take comfort that there are those who diligently work towards the cure.
Scott: Why on earth would anyone choose to “understand” the LGBT community??? Would you suggest we endeavor to understand other such perversions? What possible outcome could be derived from this other than further revulsion and disgust.
equality: Yes I do use the work I a lot, I speak for myself not on behalf of my religion or my community or any organized group, until such time as I am elected to speak on a groups behalf on this topic, I shall begin using the word we.
schlukiltz: I shudder to think of all the things you’ve had “shoved down your throat” in these years (pun intended) much as what was crossing your eyes in a prior post, leads to be believe that this advice must be offered. Tell your partner to ease up a bit on you if he’s managing to cross your eyes and shoving things with force he is not the gentle lover you soooo deserve. If at your advanced age you still prefer the rough stuff then I’ve an idea why you’ve abandoned women at this point in your life.
Mark: No idea what you refer to so I cannot yet comment.
B
In No. 101, Michael Letterman wrote, “B: I think the lesson you should take from this is to never assume. Just because a quote is offered, one which I may add that was as succient and accurate as can be, does not imply it came from a doctor of medicine, phycology, or a PhD in Theoretics.”
There is no such thing as a PhD in “Theoretics”, but otherwise you are simply trying to justify intellectual dishonesty. As someone who actually does have a PhD, I have a good idea as to what the standards for conduct are and you failed: you were intellectually dishonest because you withheld information relevant to the discussion that you knew weakened your argument. If you are writing a scientific paper describing a model of some physical phenomena, and you know the model doesn’t work in certain cases, you are required to state those limitations – someone trying to figure out why your model works in in some cases and not others may find a better model, so we make faster progress if we state the limitations as soon as we know them. It’s a good standard to apply in general – we’d make faster progress on any number of issues if we didn’t play childish games.
Then you say, “Furthermore how could anyone expect a warm reception when the message he offers is contrary to what the audience wants to believe.” You mean like Albert Einstein?
The Special Theory of Relativity contradicted long-held assumptions about space and time. It was accepted because it worked – all the alternative explanations for what was observed were far more complex and each alternative failed under various conditions.
You go on to say, “Dr. Nicolosi is but one of many such who are working towards finding a cure for such a dreaded disease”, but
in fact it is not a disease – that idea went out decades ago.
Read http://www.apa.org/topics/sorientation.html for details.
If you want to be taken seriously, a good first step would be to get the facts straight.
Michael Letterman
B: You have a PhD but you state that there is no such thing as the same degree in Theoretics? So two of my friends how have PhDs in Theoretical Astrophysics are lying? The one acquaintance I have in with a PhD in Quantum Optics is a liar as well, how about the people I know with PhDs in Theoretical Physics?
I was pluralizing the term as I wanted to encompass the entire field of Theoretical Science so as not to insult one friend over another. For some reason must of the PhDs I know have egos the size of Alaska.
There are still many scientists who still believe homosexuality is a disease and as thus can be cured. As for those who claim they already settled the issue, I need not remind you of all the claims that something has been done or cannot be done that has been overturned by those who new insight into the situation.
Furthermore, I don’t claim to be a scientist, I’m not, don’t want to be. Albert Einstein wasn’t given a warm reception everywhere and I should not expect one either. I am taken quite seriously and at the end of the week at least I can say I shared my message. If I don’t reach every homosexual then it won’t be for lack of trying.
Republican
B, glad to see that there is another PhD gay here 😉
Michael,
Do you really think that there is even one gay in the USA who hasn’t heard the anti-gay BS that you’re spreading? Admit it, you’re just here to troll.
schlukitz
Mr. Letter man proves his previous assertion that he has lots of imagination with this latest tribute to his excessive ego, wherein he likens himself to Mr. Albert Einstein’s unpopularity.
Mr.Letterman’s comment I have lots of imagination, in fact I’m imagining holding your neck just under the surface of a crystal clear stream, watching the little bubbles float to the surface, popping with a gentle gurgle of water. had a very familiar ring to it and has been running around in my head since he posted it last week.
Please correct me if I am wrong, but did not the agent provocateur Youcanthandlethetruth, who was trolling this site most of this past summer and was subsequently banned for his vile, anti-gay posts, make the very same, verbatim comment?
B
No. 103 · Michael Letterman, “B: You have a PhD but you state that there is no such thing as the same degree in Theoretics? So two of my friends how have PhDs in Theoretical Astrophysics are lying?”
Your friends aren’t lying – it is rather that you don’t seem to understand the difference between a noun and an adjective. There is simply no field called “Theoretics”, which is what you claimed.
Then there’s your next misstatement, “I was pluralizing the term as I wanted to encompass the entire field of Theoretical Science.” You can’t be serious – there is no such field. A term such as “theoretical physics” refers to a physicist whose work is basically mathematical in nature, as opposed to one who does experiments or measurements.
Then you say, “Furthermore, I don’t claim to be a scientist, I’m not, don’t want to be.” Well thank heaven for small favors! But you can at least show enough integrity to not misrepresent the qualifications of the people you quote (via omissions in the current case).
And then, “Albert Einstein wasn’t given a warm reception everywhere and I should not expect one either.” While I don’t expect he would have gotten a warm reception in Germany during most of the 1930s, and just under half of the 1940s, aside from having difficulty very early in his career in getting an academic position (which were scarce at the time), he got a warm enough reception to win a Nobel Prize, numerous other awards, and was the president of the German Physical Society.
And finally, “I am taken quite seriously and at the end of the week at least I can say I shared my message.” Actually, at the risk of saying that the emperor has no clothes …
Michael Letterman
Republican: I’m sure there are many gay PhD holders as well as pedophile and any other perversion you can dream up. Unfortunately our universities do not single out deviants and all to often, breed them. Yet one more thing that needs be fixed in this society. Thank you for reminding me.
schlukitz: Your reading comprehension skills need honing it was the person I was responding to that brought up Albert Einstein I only took it to the next logical step.
But that’s OK you seem to love repeating my words without making a single disapproving comment to the person who insulted me and to whom I was responding. This double standard approach is often used by those with weak arguments. Wasn’t it an old adage that went, “if you can’t dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bullshit”? I’m immune to your bullshit and out of context use of my statements, I know to whom they were made and so does the original poster, I do not care if you are too small minded to read in context.
Hyposcricy from a fag is nothing new, I suppose it goes along with the depravity that in inherent in your lifestyle.
schlukitz
Some cheese with your whine, Mr. Letterman?
Superman
Wow, as soon as Romeo responded to the troll’s bait (#25/#31), I KNEW it would be downhill from there. Sure enough, after scrolling down for five minutes, I finally reached the end of the thread.
Let’s get back to the topic, shall we?
The Youtube clip CLEARLY shows this Harbaugh hypocrite mouthing the F word. Why has the pressure let up???
schlukitz
@ no. 109 – Superman
Why has the pressure let up???,/i>
Because Michael is clearly more offensive than Harbaugh…and much more fun to sharpen our claws on. 😉
romeo
Jesus, are you guys still hammering away at this? Superman, it isn’t clear to me that he’s mouthing the F word, but he may very well be. But listen, how much will it cost to hire a professional lip reader to settle this? Some of you guys are lawyers. You use them to provide evidence in cases, don’t you? It can’t cost that much.
Michael Letterman
schlukitz: Now I get it, claws, you are indeed a freak of nature and here I thought it was just odd that you were a fag.
Sharpen away old man, you’ll find me quite able to deal with you. In fact since you ignore most of my words I can write anything and you’ll find the same offence in it that you always do.
Blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah.
And why is it wrong to call a fag a faggot anyway no one complains when you call a pedophile a pervert and I’ve seen lots of people refer to people doing bestiality as depraved, why shouldn’t the homosexuals have their own label. You queers love drawing attention to yourselves so now wear your label with pride.
real man
Within the context of school activiities, baseball, etc. his son has earned a reputation for being “strange”. Another word which could be used is “disturbed”.
I’m afraid one day he’s going to “snap”.
Soldier has been told in no uncertain terms to “keep your son away from my child”.
They tell me some of these concerned parents have called Child Protective Services regarding this issue.
Dad has showed his 7 year old son hard pornography in an attempt to ensure he doesn’t become gay. Ironically, now the boy has a fascination with penis. Appropriate, because they say dad gets excited with trannys::::He wants to lift her skirt and fondle her penis.
He sure married the right girl.
Dad intends to take the boy to see a prostitute.
They say the son wants the father dead.
Parenting classes would be in order. And a little psychoanalysis.
The Gods tested his attraction to transsexuals by sending people by, likely during the period where he felt he had to prove he was a “real man”, ironically.
He’s Godless and immoral, and his son may grow to be a monster because of it.
romeo
Jamie: you came in here to look at the pictures of naked guys. Just do that and stop taking up our comment space. Oh, and BTW, everybody likes us. It’s just you.
schlukitz
No. 115 · romeo
They just keep coming out of the woodwork, don’t they?
The thing is, if we pulled this shit on straight site, insulting straights that is, the moderators would ban us in a New York heartbeat.
If Free of an agenda, except the gay one is to be believed, then why on earth does Queerty allow these straight stumble bums to come onto our site with their warped agendas and post ad nauseum?
romeo
I don’t know,Schlukitz, just for the hit count, I guess. But I think they did ban one guy over in a Uganda thread. He was going to kill us all.
Michael Letterman
schlukitz: Then maybe you should stay off of bent websites and stick to straight ones? Get your ancient dude kicks off of route 66.
About time you realized the Gay Adgenda is going the way of the dodo. EXTINCT
Jamie: 1/4, 1/2, 3/4, whole or for the heck of it give em each a vote and a half and they sitll will lose and lose badly. When it comes time to stand in the voting booth I’m sure even some gays are voting to black pro gay laws. They’d have to be since the numbes are so high.
Michael Letterman
Romeo: You think that it is just Jamie? I feel insulted. While I personally do not advocate violence against gays, I certainly understand how the increasing gay agenda into our society can make someone feel as Jamie seems to.
However that is no excuse for anyone advocating violence in a world already too filled with it. Violence will not solve the problem, it wasn’t needed in the past to keep the perversion from our televisions and our streets it will not require it now to remove the perversion from our eyes.
schlukitz
So much lip service being paid to “tolerance” on these threads. This is what we are expected to tolerate on our own site?
No. 119 · jamie
Well id like to tell you faggots that what i would really enjoy would be torturing all of you to death, but you’d probaly go tell the gay police. so I’ll just let you know most men see you fags and are disgusted , no matter what politicly correct bs people say so they dont offend you. America hates you. die faggots.
Posted: Dec 17, 2009 at 1:56 pm
Michael Letterman
schlukitz: Tell you what you take “your” site off of “my” Internet and you can do what you want with it. So long as this is a public site where people can discuss the “gay agenda” then don’t bitch like a little girl when people who do not share your opinions post their own.
Usdating
Great done and keep posted. Looking forward to reading more from you.