THE SHOT – Yeah, we all complain about Obama for not “evolving” on marriage equality and not signing executive orders to stop the discharge of gay soldiers and the deportations of same-sex binational couples, but that’s only because we know he’s the best chance we’ve ever had to achieve equality under a U.S. President.
Plus, he knows he’s the best pro-LGBT president which is why he has issued this rainbow-colored infographic listing all the things that have changed in our favor since he took office.
Is he directly responsible for all the things on the list? No. Will we continue criticizing and urging him to do more? Yes. Will you vote for him in November? As if you have a choice.
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Mike in Asheville
By far the best, and, of course, the only choice in 2012.
You sure are going to be getting a lot of mumble jumble tea bagging morons, though, saying otherwise.
delurker
@Mike in Asheville: you’re gonna have lots of disgruntled hillary supporters, goprouders and naderites saying otherwise, too!
jason
The problem with Obama is that he promised to be a fierce advocate at the time he was seeking our votes. He got into power on the basis of those votes but then proceeded to act as if he didn’t want to know us.
On DADT repeal, Obama was basically pushed into signing the legislation by fellow Democrats who could see the negative comments that we gays were posting on websites like Queerty. I have it on good authority that the White House does read Queerty.
Is Obama better than other Presidents on gay rights? Yes, he is. With him as President, we have seen federal anti-hate crime legislation enacted along with DADT repeal. Should we vote for him again? Well, if we are going to vote solely on gay rights issues, you couldn’t choose Michelle Fuckman, Mitt Glory-hole or Rick Sherry, surely.
Thomas Maguire
When you start taking what politicos say with a lick of salt, then you will learn not to be disappointed.
That said, Obama has done more for LGBTs than President Palin would have.
Thomas Maguire
@jason:
“I have it on good authority that the White House does read Queerty.”
O RLY.
Ted B. (Charging Rhino)
Obama was also pushed into repealing DADT by the successful LCR court challenge that declared DADT unconstitutional. Without that successful Federal court challenge I wonder if Obama would have done it…he hasn’t done anything about ENDA or DOMA. He had solid Democratic-controlled Houses in Congress for the first two years and squandered his political-capital on Obama-Care.
Politically Incorrect Thug
Obama himself isn’t personally responsible for any progress in the last few years (still evolving, you know), but I will give him credit for creating a more liberal political atmosphere when it comes to gays. Still, it says a lot that for someone who’s so uber-liberal, he’s been maddeningly silent on all things LGBT.
Lefty
“As if you have a choice.”
It seems to me, the choice is either vote for Obama or don’t vote at all.
I’d err towards the latter myself…
Sean212
I have never voted based on 1 issue. There are other issues besides gay ones that deserve more attention….war, economy, education, international relations, energy, job creation, etc. Why is it that so many gays only vote on the gay issue? If there is another candidate that can improve other areas of importance I will definitely consider him or her.
the crustybastard
@Lefty:
Your choice — and obligation — is to vote for the candidate that will best represent you. If that’s a third-party candidate, then go vote for him or her.
Third-parties are never going to get any traction if the people they are willing to represent just bitch and stay home.
the crustybastard
@Sean212:
Because gays face issues such as war, economy, education, international relations, energy, job creation, etc., AND THOUSANDS OF ADDITIONAL CRIPPLING LEGAL DISABILITIES pointlessly created because of outrageously discriminatory laws and policies that have been ignored for decades now.
Duh.
Elloreigh
Had a long post all typed up, and Queerty ate it. I hate when that happens.
The bottom line: I don’t like Obama. I think his leadership has been very lacking, he’s no ‘fierce advocate’, and he’s not guaranteed my vote, since I’m an independent and not a one-issue voter. He has a year to persuade me; symbolic gestures are not enough, and I haven’t forgotten that business of him thinking he has already fulfilled his campaign promises to the LGBT coalition.
This is how I see my choices: Vote Republican (no way), vote third party (unlikely a viable third party candidate will emerge, but I’m not above voting that way in protest), vote to reelect Obama (like I said, he has a year to convince me), or stay home (not out of the realm of possibility if I’m really pissed off).
ewe
I am going to reserve credit to all the gay people demanding justice on transcripts in courts around the country.
ewe
Speaking of evolving? Has the Bummer evolved yet on marriage equality. Today is September 21, 2011. He has one year to implement it nationally to win a landslide.
ewe
If you tried to tell heterosexual people they should be grateful to any one person for their right to visit their loved ones in a hospital for example, they would fucking laugh in your face. Get your head out of the dog bowl people. Equality means not groveling over Obama who takes for granted what he hands out to you like some sort of gift. Replace all those words “gay and trans” with the word “straight” and see how rediculous you all sound with your kiss ass attitude.
ewe
Being LGBT is a non issue. Put those who say it is on the defense. Not yourself. We do not have to explain ourselves to anyone. The Bigots are the ones being analyzed.
Pocket Otter
@Sean212: I’m with you, bro. Far more important issues facing our country than what I do in my bedroom (which is, of course, no one’s business).
Patsy Stoned
Elloreigh, lots of people felt the same way as you in 2010, so they stayed home and Tea Party types took over. Now NC gays and lesbians are facing an anti-gay Constitutional Amendment and in NH Republicans are moving quickly to take away marriage equality. Plus many states are packing their courts full of Scalia-type right-wingers, who will be the first to kill any forward movement for gay equality. Nobody is a one-issue voter, but in reality, no political candidate will ever be ideal.
CJ
In my opinion, our leaders would be doing NOTHING about LGBT issues if it weren’t for the public’s shifting views on equal rights. Our politicians are generally not leaders, they’re generally followers of the polls. Look to see which politician speaks out against public opinion and poll results on various issues. There aren’t many. They dont’ lead. They just want votes.
Look back and count how many Democratic presidential candidates were speaking up for full LGBT marriage equality during the 2008 presidential election vs. how many were still stuck on supporting “traditional marriage” and “civil unions” for gays, lesbians, etc. Hillary, Obama, Biden, etc… “I support civil unions.”
And another thing, these lawsuits against DADT, DOMA and Prop 8 have been forcing our leaders in Washington to deal with this topic. AND, the courts have been generally ruling in favor of equality. Thus, our legislators are seeing the writing on the wall and are being forced by both the public and the courts, NOT by the US Constitution and the equal rights that it talks about.
Like I said, we have few leaders in Washington. They just do what is politically safe vs. speaking out against injustice. We had great presidents in the past that went against what was popular (there weren’t many – but there were some). In the last 2 decades the polls are what drives Washington DC and the laws and policies that come out of there.
Little Kiwi
i’m always stunned by apologists that think the “only” reason to vote for a more liberal candidate is their
Stance On Gay Shit.
now, thank GOD i’m Canadian, but after living in the US for a number of years it just stuns me how many people don’t understand that the GOP’s anti-gay bigotry is not even the biggest reason to not vote for them. Just as I’m stunned by the apologists who think that being gay is about “what you do in the bedroom.”
I dunno. Maybe you’re the sad-sack gays with no testicles who only are “gay” when you’re secretly getting pounded in the darkness because you haven’t the orbs to Live Out.
I mean…why else would one say something as stupid as to suggest that being gay is just something ‘that happens in the bedroom’?
Anti-Gay bigotry is a human rights issue. It should be important. There is anti-gay discrimination written into law in MOST States in the USA. Thats’ fucking disgusting, especially in 2011. I mean, come ON already. You just got rid of DADT this week. Canada has allowed LGBT Citizens to serve openly since 1992.
When are Americans giong to wake up and realize that you’re only number one in obesity and gun violence?
Robert in NYC
Voting for a third party candidate in this country is futile, unlike some others. So you’re wasting your vote and giving it away to one who is not going to move on any equality issues. I’d like to know which of the viable GOP (including Tea Party scumbagger) candidates is supportive of equality issues? NONE! Forget John Huntsman, only 1% rating in the polls and Ron Paul, please….he supports DOMA for those states who want it. Equality isn’t high on the agenda of gay republicans, even if the economy were in good shape. We will NEVER have marriage equality in every state in this country by leaving it to individual states to decide. African Americans would never have gained their rights if that had been the case and women’s rights wouldn’t have happened either.
Robert in NYC
Voting for a third party candidate in this country is futile, unlike some others. So you’re wasting your vote and giving it away to one who is not going to move on any equality issues. I’d like to know which of the viable GOP (including Tea Party scumbagger) candidates is supportive of equality issues? NONE! Forget John Huntsman, only 1% rating in the polls and Ron Paul, please….he supports DOMA for those states who want it, fucked up. Equality isn’t high on the agenda of gay republicans, even if the economy were in good shape. We will NEVER have marriage equality in every state in this country by leaving it to individual states to decide. African Americans would never have gained their rights if that had been the case and women would never have had the right to vote either.
Jollysocks
“I have never based my vote on 1 issue” — excuse me? One issue? We’re talking about our lives here, not economic policy. There isn’t a choice between Obama and a Tea party hellbent on putting us into concentration camps.
I wonder what all these “not just 1 issue” gays will say when President Romney amends the US Constitution to forever ban same sex marriage or when President Perry nominates Maggie Gallager to the Supreme Court.
Nice to know people would trade in their humanity for a tax cut.
newcityspot
When I vote, I vote unselfishly – I think of what’s best for all of us – not just myself.
I was Hillary supporter, but when Obama was our option, I backed him up – because that’s what was best for all of us.
Trying to make a personal statement by voting for the third party IS futile. We have to work together, not selfishly.
I hardly hear the same sentiments. Am I wrong when I vote for the good of all (well, my personal definition of “good” – probably “bad” according to the opposing party)?
Little Kiwi
It’s actually the Conservative-voters who vote based on “one issue”
i met an idiot a few months ago who flatly stated that she voted for whomever was “pro-Life” – talk about a stupid reason to vote, eh? ROE v WADE aint going anywhere, hun. You just voted for someone who cares about “not murdering jesus’ little babies!” and in doing so voted for someone who’s “financial plan” will not only not help you, but will harm you.
Cons tend to vote based on an ‘idea’ – not an intelligently backed-up factual reality. ask a conservative why they care about their politician of choice and you won’t get an intelligent and logical explanation of their policies, but a vague nonsense-answer about “good american values, and patriotism. good judgment! cutting taxes and caring about the economy!”
buzz terms that sound great to idiots.
just like how most gay republicans vote for “one issue” – vote for whomever their asshole parents are voting for in hopes that it impresses them and wins their ‘tolerance’
and why oh WHY do people say the GOP is “fiscally conservative” when the FACT is that every GOP administration puts the country back into debt?
Sean212
@Little Kiwi:
Good point about obesity and gun violence. Let’s put those two issues in the mix with education, job creation, war, economy, international relations, energy. This is why I don’t believe in voting simply for the candidate that says the word “gay” without grimacing and panders to our “community”. There are so many other issues out there that need attention and affect more people than gay issues.
Yes, it is a struggle being gay at times. It’s a struggle being a woman….being black…being asian…being fat…being a red head. Over the course of my 38 years my life (and I can easily spotted for being gay)hasn’t been most affected by being gay. It has been more affected by issues with education, economic, health, etc. because these issues not only affect me, but also my friends, family, neighbors and most strangers. I guess I vote thinking more about the common good and not just about my “gay” self.
WillBFair
There are still a ton of queers who will screw us in the next election.
There is the blind crowd who don’t recognize political realities and think they can demand Universal equality delivered yesterday on a silve platter. There’s the fanatsy crowd for whom nothing is ever good enough, and who would sit out the election in order to feel self righteous. There are the dingbats who don’t understand the two party system or basic arithmetic. There’s the self destructive crowd who’ll vote for someone who can’t win in order to make things worse and have more to complain about. And there are gay republicans who are totally willing to sell us all down the river for a stinking tax cut.
Little Kiwi
and in what alternate dimension is voting GOP a vote for the “Common Good”?
I thank God every day that i was born in Canada. The GOP doesnt’ give a flying fuck about the economy, or about job creation, or about the health of its citizens, or about fixing the astonishing inept public education system in the US.
they’ve spent the last few years talking more shit about THE GAYS because they haven’t an actual legit fiscal plan that would actually help the country to promote.
You are full of crap when you say “so many gays vote only on the gay issue” – there are so many reasons to note vote GOP. it takes a profound act of willful ignorance to pretend that their biggest “problem” is their historic anti-gay stance.
holy fuck am I proud to be a Canadian in 2011….
Top to Bottom
This topic gets really frustrating for me. Sure, Obama may not have our backs 100%, but we’ve also never had a stronger ally in the White House, and we really don’t have a better option right now. I mean, when 2012 rolls around, what you going to do? Vote for one of the Republican candidates? It looks like this next batch is going to be more ridiculous than ever, and then we really won’t have any chance at progress. I know most of us want immediate gratification, but baby steps is better than not moving at all, and we’ve come a long way in the last three years, and a second term of Obama is better than a first term of any of his competitors.
And if you don’t vote, we’d better not hear you bitching about a single thing.
Cam
@Sean212: said…
“I have never voted based on 1 issue. There are other issues besides gay ones that deserve more attention….war, economy, education, international relations, energy, job creation, etc. Why is it that so many gays only vote on the gay issue? If there is another candidate that can improve other areas of importance I will definitely consider him or her.”
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When that ONE issue is whether or not I have the right to exist, then yes, I become a one issue voter.
The other issues are irrelevant to me when there is another party that would want to take away my rights. If you don’t believe me then just look at the law they tried to pass in Va. stating that two unrelated people of the same sex could not enter into an enforceable contract with each other.
Yes, that is how crazy the right wing gets until we have legally defined rights.
Little Kiwi
Dear America, congrats on finally being free from bigoted DADT policy.
You’re now officially as progressive as Canada was back in 1992.
Andy
A Republican president would be much easier to organize against on multiple fronts. Rick Perry 2012!
fredo777
lmao @ “Oh, ‘Bama”
Little Kiwi
TopToBottom, I *do* love you, you know 😉
http://littlekiwilovesbauhaus.blogspot.com/2010/08/441am-stoned-thoughts-on-gay.html
fredo777
@Politically Incorrect Thug: lmao @ “Oh, ‘Bama”
Andy
A Republican president would be much easier to organize against on multiple fronts. Rick Perry 2012!!
iDavid
To those who may stay home rather than vote or waste their vote on an independent, whereas you might as well not vote, look at it this way: It’s not about one or two issues, it’s about the life or death of America. Either you can vote O’bama no matter what, or risk having Tony Perkins and his robo meta-wife Maggie Galleger be your next metephorical President of the USofA. Do you feel a new flame under your ass to vote O’bama, at all costs, yet?
fredo777
@Politically Incorrect Thug: “…he’s been maddeningly silent on all things LGBT”
That’s definitely not a fair (or accurate) statement.
Little Kiwi
fredo, this is a guy who complains about Obama being “maddeningly silent on all things LGBT” who voted for McCain who was maddeningly vocal with his anti-LGBT beliefs as part of his campaign.
you can’t talk rational logic and facts with P.I.T. – he needs to lie to himself in order to get through the pain of being himself each day. it’s actually sad.
Jollysocks
@Sean212: “Yes, it is a struggle being gay at times. It’s a struggle being a woman….being black…being asian…being fat…being a red head”
I’m sure it is but guess what? Nobody is talking about banning women, fat people, or redheads in the United States Constitution. No one taking rights away from any of these groups, but the GOP will take away ours in a heartbeat.
Little Kiwi
Jellysocks, how DARE you use intelligent logic, reason, facts and empirical evidence when dealing with Sean212!
he needs to tell himself that being gay and being red-headed are “equally discriminated against” in America to make his “point.”
know what i mean? they have to convince themselves of lies because they know their attempt at truth makes no intellectually honest sense
legions of homosexual white boys sucking up to Conservative parents rather than growing an actual pair and defing the bigotry from a place of empowerment. it’s pathetic, frankly.
SteveC
I think that it is a sad reflection on the state of US democracy that we get only 2 choices on who to vote for – Democrat or Republican (yes there are other candidates, but the electoral system is designed to prevent them getting elected.)
Yes Obama is the most gay-friendly president ever. But when you see how low the bar has been set by previous presidents, then it’s hardly a ringing endorsement of Obama.
I’ll vote for Obama as there is no other choice.
But I’d like to live in a US where protection of corporate interests is not the main goal of all the political establishment.
SteveC
It’s no coincidence that the US has one of the lowest voter turnouts in elections, among the developed countries of this world.
People feel genuinely disenfranchised by our political system.
Voting for the lesser of 2 evils (the Democrats) really isn’t a very strong incentive to vote.
Obama’s (empty) rhetoric about ‘change’ and being ‘a fierce advocate’ was exciting as it seemed that finally we may have a president who had principle.
Instead we got a less hateful version of the same old status quo.
disco lives
Queerty, why do I keep seeing ads for Mitt Romney on the top of your website?
Michael
I feel bad for a good amount of people in this community.Yes Obama has done a lot for this community more then any other president ever has.Am I grateful for this? Absolutely no question about that.More importantly though do I trust this man? Do I think his heart has been in the right place the entire time about all of this? Do I think he is doing this because he genuinely cares about the LGBT community?
No on all accounts this man has said so many things to sway the masses and he says whatever he has to say in order for this community to actually put their faith and trust in him.Obama has already made it abundantly clear he is against gay marriage as well .
Realistically Obama does not care about any of these things half the people in this community already know he is not a gay rights supporter nor cares about our rights. Has he made a difference for this community? Absolutely and I am not saying I am not grateful for it because I most definitely am. But he did not do this because he genuinely cared more like he was forced to do these things.
I know I will get all kinds of crap about people not being happy with my difference of opinion about this.But Ive never been a full supporter of Obamas even my father didnt think he did these things out of the goodness of his heart.So its a difficult position to be in in all honesty because while Im grateful for all he has done for this community.I can’t help but feel that he has never truly been on our side nor supported us in anyway.Confusing to say the least.
Little Kiwi
Can you explain “why” you don’t trust Obama on these issues, Michael? I’m just curious as I do indeed have the opposite opinion – I believe Obama does support Us. I truly do. I believe he’s playing the Political Game – a roll-out plan as opposed to a Jump Right In Plan, which I would have truthfully preferred.
The reality is this – Obama remains the most pro-LGBT President in the history of the United States of America. That is not up for debate – no other President truly even comes *close*.
Anti-Gay Bigotry is so intense in America that in many respects giving “full support” to the LGBT Community is the political death-sentence. All of this talk on the thread about “not being a one-issue voter” ignores the sad reality that when it comes to “The Gays” being ANTI-gay is the “one issue” that far too many millions of Americans care about.
Simply put – they’ll vote for whomever is the most anti-LGBT.
i’m just wondering if you know why you don’t trust him, specifically. i can tell you why I *do* believe he’s a supporter – the man is a brilliant intelligent thinker, a compassionate and empathetic human being. One who knows firsthand the sting of bigotry and discrimination, and is also very aware of how History plays out and how history will paint not only this moment in time in America, but him as President.
I have full faith that in term two (YES, term two) the LGBT Community will be granted historic federal recognitions. I have complete faith in that. Obama knows the eventual reality of LGBT rights around the world, and he knows what he can do to cement his place in history as a Civil Rights Vanguard to be remembered. I understand why he’s seemed to drag his heels. I don’t accept it, and I certainly dont’ like it, but I do *understand* it. America is a country populated by millions of baselessly anti-gay people. I have complete faith in him unraveling a plan of emotional and intellectual evolution and “progress” about LGBT Equality in the next few years. Simply put – the man is too smart to not do it.
I’m just wondering where your absolute doubt comes form.
Michael
@Little Kiwi:
Thankfully I do not have to agree with you after all thats why its called America.
We are entitled to our opinions whether someone agrees or not.
I just basically find it very hypocritical how this president is supposedly pro gay when he is not even for gay marriage.So I look at it this way yes he has made a big impact in a positive way on this community more then any other president ever has.I am proud of that and truly appreciate it.BUT we have to ask ourselves this question does he truly believe in what he has been supporting and putting himself behind? Or is it just a way to please the masses and satisfy what everyone wants? I just find it weird and odd how hes supposedly pro gay but his position on gay marriage has not budged even an inch.So while he has made an impact on our community he still does not support our equal rights as human beings to get married to the person we love and want to spend the rest of our lives with.
To me I just find that hypocritical. Feel free to disagree I enjoy these kinds of discussions as long as they stay on a positive note.
Libertarian Larry
@Little Kiwi: Hey, Canadian: Your ranting about American politics has become annoying. We don’t tell you how to run your household, you don’t tell us how to run ours. That’s how it works among decent people.
Little Kiwi
I never said you had to agree with me. I asked you if you knew what it was that was specifically putting such absolute doubt into your mind.
I explained why I have the opposite opinion. I explained why I feel the way I feel. I was asking you to explain why you feel the way you feel.
I even explained “why” he’s taken the pro-Equality-but-not-marriage stance.
Did you read what I wrote? What do you think of it?
Again, I didn’t tell you that you have to agree. I asked you if you can specifically explain why it is that you have doubt about his being genuine.
Do you believe he’d have won the last election if he’d been in support of gay marriage? I don’t. Not at all.
I’ve never witnessed anti-gay bigotry like i’ve witnessed in the USA. I’m Canadian – it’s been ages since a major politician has been able to make “being anti-gay” a part of their political platform and not have it cause them to lose.
Notice what the GOP has done in the last few years – not just grinding their heels on everything, but promoting anti-gay bigotry to every single simpleton who will listen. Don’t underestimate how many people will turn out in droves to vote against “the guy who’d let those fags marry.”
So, I’ve explained (with specifics) why I feel President Obama does indeed support us, and has a roll-out plan.
I’m just curious as to what is driving to you have such absolute doubts.
Little Kiwi
@Libertarian Larry – I’ve been living the US for years. I’m not sure why people like you get so irritated by people like me – it’s as if you forget that I’m from the country that has allowed LGBT Citizens to serve openly in the military since 1992.
the country that had its first legalized gay marriage in 2001.
the country that offers full and total rights and protections to its LGBT Citizens.
so, i’m puzzled as to why you’re not looking North or talking to a Canuck about how we got there. We’re decades ahead of your country in terms of LGBT Equality. Why not take a page from what we’ve done? Clearly your way hasn’t worked. If it was you’d not be decades behind us.
If your country is full of such “decent people” then why are you all struggling to work out things that my country did with no fuss nearly two decades ago?
Just a thought. Don’t get so uppity. And if you don’t believe in ‘foreigners’ getting involved in the political affairs of other countries i’m sure you object to everything the UN does….right? 😉
Little Kiwi
“after all thats why its called America”?
it’s called America because you can disagree? what on earth does that mean? i didn’t know the word “America” meant “disagree”.
odd.
Michael
@Little Kiwi:
*rolls eyes* Never mind talking to you is an exercise in true futility.It wont happen again period.
Michael
@Little Kiwi:
I can have doubts if I want to.I have no need to explain myself to you nor why I feel the way I do.All thats important to me are what I feel I dont trust the man and I dont think he sincerely cares about this community.Forgive me for being smart enough to know when I can see a wolf in sheeps clothing. I hope this satisfies your intellectual curiosity… as usual.
Libertarian Larry
That’s why people are jumping borders to illegally enter Canada, because it’s such a top-tier place to live, right? Or are they streaming into Canada for its great weather? Or is everyone going to Canada because it’s such an industrious nation? Oh, wait a minute, that’s right—NO ONE wants to go to Canada (except, of course, for criminals on the run).
No wonder you moved here.
Little Kiwi
I didn’t say you couldn’t have your doubts. I’m asking you what inspires them.
nothing “just is”. nobody “just feels that way” – that’s what anti-gay bigots say, remember. they can’t explain why they don’t like somehting. they can’t give an intelligent answer. they just “don’t like it, and that’s their opinion”
i’m asking you for clarity, i’m not telling your nor asking you to change your opinion. I’m asking you what inspires you to have that opinion.
You say you don’t trust him and you feel he doesn’t actually support us – I’m asking YOU what specific things have drawn you to that conclusion.
This isn’t a trick question. I was very clear and direct about why I have an opposing view; I didn’t just “give my opinion”, I explained WHY it’s my opinion.
You could help myself and others reading this would understanding by simply explaining what it is that leads you to feel the way you feel. we all have feelings and opinions for a REASON.
@Larry – rather than trying to slander Canada why not address what I said? Canada is decades ahead of the USA in terms of LGBT Equality. Why are you dismissing this, and dismissing a Canuck who could actually help your country get things going? Which I’m doing already, btw. I’ve been highly active in Civil Rights Advocacy and Activism in my years living in the USA> And yes, you’re welcome 😀
Little Kiwi
I didn’t say you couldn’t have your doubts. I’m asking you what inspires them.
nothing “just is”. nobody “just feels that way” – that’s what anti-gay bigots say, remember. they can’t explain why they don’t like somehting. they can’t give an intelligent answer. they just “don’t like it, and that’s their opinion”
i’m asking you for clarity, i’m not telling your nor asking you to change your opinion. I’m asking you what inspires you to have that opinion.
You say you don’t trust him and you feel he doesn’t actually support us – I’m asking YOU what specific things have drawn you to that conclusion.
This isn’t a trick question. I was very clear and direct about why I have an opposing view; I didn’t just “give my opinion”, I explained WHY it’s my opinion.
You could help myself and others reading this would understanding by simply explaining what it is that leads you to feel the way you feel. we all have feelings and opinions for a REASON.
@Larry – rather than trying to slander Canada why not address what I said? Canada is decades ahead of the USA in terms of LGBT Equality. Why are you dismissing this, and dismissing a Canuck who could actually help your country get things going? Which I’m doing already, btw. I’ve been highly active in Civil Rights Advocacy and Activism in my years living in the USA. And yes, you’re welcome 😀
Michael
@Little Kiwi:
Ugh your arrogance never ends 😛
You definitely consider yourself so special as if we should all bow to you and give you the response you are looking for.What a tool.
I specifically stated the reason why I do not trust the man in the beginning this guy didnt give a damn about our rights .He even said specifically that he was against gay marriage not long ago.So pardon me if I am supposed to put my trust in the hands of someone who does not want 2 people of the same sex to be married to one another and live happily.You can kiss his ass all you want to I am not gonna do that you are a brown noser too you can not even expect for one second ANYONE that disagrees with your position on your precious OBAMA lol You feel free to drink the cool aid though I refuse to.
You could help myself and others reading this would understanding by simply explaining what it is that leads you to feel the way you feel. we all have feelings and opinions for a REASON.
Ugh your pomposity just keeps getting worse and worse everytime.I really wish you would stop talking to me 2.I was quite enjoying not having to hear or see anything about you until you stupidly made a comment directed to me. I was enjoying thinking of you as non existent please do the same about me .
Little Kiwi
There’s nothing shady or tricky in asking someone to explicitly and specifically lay out WHY they feel a certain way or hold a certain belief.
“just because” is not an answer. i was very clear in why i have the opinion i have, and i’m genuinely curious as to what is driving you, Michael, to have such feelings of absolute doubt about President Obama.
those feelings must come from somewhere and I’m curious as to what they are.
Little Kiwi
this isn’t arrogance. this is how intelligent adults are supposed to talk and discuss. you don’t just give “an opinion”, you explain it. you back it up.
i have never said that you’re not entitled to your opinions, i have clearly and calmly asked you to explain where they come from and what specifics lead you to have such absolute doubt in President Obama’s sincerity.
rather than arguing with me for the sake of arguing with me, why not just explain what it is about President Obama that leads you to not trust him? Like I said, i was very explicit and clear in my explanations of why I hold an opposing opinion.
i’m not tricking you. i’m asking you to explain what leads you to the absolute conclusion you’ve come to. I’m genuinely. puzzled as to why you’re fighting me on this.
Michael
I explained why I do not trust this man yet you persist and once again insult my intelligence in the process.You are a real piece of work I tell you what dude. It isnt a just cause either my father did not trust him either and hes dead now.
I do not think the man is in it for the right reasons he ALWAYS acts as if hes forcing himself to do these things or has to be talked into it.He does not do anything out of the goodness of his heart and a real supporter a real ALLY WOULD without question without any doubts in their mind.Maybe it has to do with him being Muslim and their beliefs about homosexuality I do not know.But what I do know is I do not trust him nor his intentions we need a president who is pro gay 100% and what kind of rationalization do you think you are giving in the first place?
Who gives a shit what the bigots want if he genuinely cared about us he would say so no writing no speeches nothing memorized but instead coming from his heart. I don’t trust someone just because they do a few nice things or say a few nice words thats not how the world works. Not to mention suprisingly there are more republicans out there who are FOR gay marriage then our own marriage.Can’t you see how disheartening and dissapointing that is? Not to mention he has all the time in the world to soften his position on gay marriage he was appointed president back in November of 2008 it is now 2011 he has 4 and a half years at least and yet there has been no change.So ask yourself this question.Why is that?If these issues actually mattered to him and he genuinely and sincerely cared about us then why has his position on same sex marriage stayed exactly where it was in 2008?
Little Kiwi
Well, you didn’t actually *explain* it Michael. That’s the thing. I hear you – he doesnt’ support Gay Marriage.
let me ask you again – do you think he’d have won the Presidency if he’d campaigned on a platform of “Legalizing Marriage for LGBT Couples At A Federal Level?”
I mean, that’s what I want from him. I think it’s what most of us want from him. What I’m asking you is if you think he’d have still won the election if he’d done that.
” Not to mention suprisingly there are more republicans out there who are FOR gay marriage then our own marriage”
i’m not sure what you mean by that. are you saying there are more Republican candidates that support gay Marriage? because if you are then I’d like to provide a citation, as I can absolutely provide you with a citation that proves otherwise.
wait…did you just say that President Obama is a Muslim? Can you back THAT up? He’s not a Muslim. He’s a Christian.
The GOP is almost exclusively right-wing Christians, not Muslims, and they’re still the far more anti-gay party. How do you explain that?
But I’m genuinely puzzled…. I ask you to explain why you dont’ trust Obama, and you say “he’s a Muslim”
why do you think he’s a Muslim? Who told you that?
Cam
@Little Kiwi: said…
“Can you explain “why” you don’t trust Obama on these issues, Michael? I’m just curious as I do indeed have the opposite opinion – I believe Obama does support Us. I truly do. I believe he’s playing the Political Game – a roll-out plan as opposed to a Jump Right In Plan, which I would have truthfully preferred.”
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Easy, his White house announced in no uncertain terms that there would be NO movement on Don’t Ask Don’t Tell at that time. In fact Rep Alcey Hastings complained that the White House forced him to withdraw a DADT repeal bill he had put forth. Pelosi started to make noises about bring the bill up for repeal and the White House tried to prevent it. She brought it up anyway and Oboma didn’t make one call in support of it to wavering Senators.
It was only after the Dems took a shellacking in the mid-terms and many blamed that on an angry base that Obama at all made any noises in support of the repeal. However he also inserted additional time hurdles to the bill.
So you may think he’s playing a “Political Game” however, I am positive that if Pelosi, after pressure from the grass roots, hadn’t brought that bill up, the White House would have never done one thing on it.
Just being willing to sign the repeal isn’t being a hero.
Robert in NYC
So Michael, since you don’t trust Obama, who among the GOP candidates are going to deliver on any equality issues once elected? Name one please? If you say Ron Paul, sorry to disappoint you but he’s trailing at 1% in the polls and supports states’ rights to maintain DOMA. Ron Paul is a REPUBLICAN civil libertarian, period. Voting for Perry or Romney won’t do you a bit of good either, both don’t want you to have any rights either. Whoever among them wins the White House, expect repeal of DADT, a Tea Party demand and they all listen to that bunch of scumbaggers. Obama didn’t campaign on hate or use wedge issues to divide people and he didn’t veto DADT repeal. He signed off on it. The Tea Partyers control the GOP, whoever gets the White House takes their marching orders from them and DADT repeal is high on their agenda and making sure DOMA happens in every state.
Little Kiwi
You don’t trust Obama because you believe he’s a Muslim?
In what alternate dimension does that make any sense whatsoever?
I’m not insulting your “intelligence” by pointing out that that’s completely fucking stupid beyond words. WHY do you think President Obama is a Muslim? Because someone told you he was? Is it because his name sounds “foreign” to you? Is it because his skin is darker than yours?
I’ve asked you to explain why you don’t trust Obama and you’ve said “Maybe it has to do with him being Muslim and their beliefs about homosexuality I do not know”
that’s appalling.
Little Kiwi
@CAM, thank you for a clear explanation of your beliefs and opinions. it’s appreciated. 😀
i still feel, however, that Obama knows how to cement his place in history. the man is SMART – he knows the way history paints progress. i too have been frustrated by him. that said, i can see why he’s doing it. he’s making the system work – not his own pen.
do i like it? nope. but i do understand it.
It just would make no sense for a man in his position to not know exactly how history is going to paint his administration. there won’t be legions of cross-bearing beer-swilling plebes to wax rhapsodic for the wrong incorrect reasons (coughcough*REAGAN*coughcough).
i think we’re all frustrated with Obama. That’s a given. What I’m frankly surprised about, however, is the way people are seeming to dismiss the overwhelming power of bigotry turning into VOTES that this country is continually crippled by.
yes, we need a literal Federal citation, like Canada’s Charter of Rights and Freedoms.
does anyone think Obama would have won the election had he run on a platform of federally legalizing marriage equality? it’s a fact – people will turn out in droves over somethign that they hate more than they will over something that they love.
have a bad night in a restaurant? people will write a letter to complain. had a great night? people tend not to write. that’s the way things work. the GOP knows this – they run on sound-bite platforms, catering to the lowest common denominator.
look at the las 3 years – the GOP continues to moan and grown about LGBT Equality. They’re keeping bigotry alive and using it to get votes. Obama, alas, lives in a country where those fools DO vote.
i dont’ support nor condone the way Obama has handled things. But I do understand them.
and i do believe Term Two will be historic for LGBT Americans. truly.
Michael
@Little Kiwi:
Go to hell already BULLY boy.You are such a hypocrite if only people could see the comments you have made about people should HANG themselves.You dont even belong here you are no better then the bullies you idiot.
Little Kiwi
Why do you think President Obama is a Muslim? and if he’s a Muslim, why would that make him anti-gay when there are mostly “Christians” holding rank in the US political system who are anti-gay?
Clarity would be appreciated. genuinely, who told you President Obama was a Muslim?
Michael
@Little Kiwi:
Thank God some of us were taught humility.Sucks your parents failed you miserably in that department.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCAffMSWSzY
Obama has even admitted to being Muslim suck on that bitch. 🙂
Little Kiwi
WHY do you think President Obama is Muslim?
to say that you don’t trust him “because he’s a Muslim” is ridiculous for (at least) two reasons.
1. he’s not Muslim
2. why would that be any different from the anti-gay Christians in office?
Little Kiwi
Did your parents (and educators) not teach your to be a discerning person who comprehends what the read and see?
Even the video you posted doesn’t prove you right. You’re saying that you believe that President Obama is Muslim because of a video put on the internet by a racist right-wing conspiracy group that doesnt’ even *prove* that Obama is a “Secret Muslim”?
really?
You don’t trust Obama because you trust this video put on youtube by a bunch of racists who believe that President Obama is a “Secret Muslim”? REALLY?
R E A L L Y ?
Again, you think you’ve “got me” but you’ve only proven me correct. Yet again.
You dont’ trust Obama because you think he’s a Muslim? He’s not a Muslim. Why would you think he is? I have no idea. Maybe like with most “bithers” and “Obama is a Muslim!”-yelling Americans, you’re just a good old fashioned Racist.
Michael
@Little Kiwi:
You are such a fucking idiot .I never said I did not trust him because he was muslim dumbfuck.
I said I did not trust him due to his position on gay marriage.Yeah hes done positive things for this community but none of it has been genuine.You can tell if you had any common sense which you most definitely do not have at ALL. Pardon me for being able to detect bullshit not my problem if you are not capable of understanding that.
Nice attempt to paint me as a racist though the day you leave this site the better off it will be well except the people who constantly kiss your ass and inflate that pitiful ego of yours more and more.
Libertarian Larry
@Little Kiwi: One day, when you’re enlightened, you’ll realize that life isn’t all gay-gay-gay all the time. If militant activism is your idea of success, then congrats, good for you, have a good life. But Jesus H Christ, there’s a whole lot more to our existence than what we do in our bedrooms. You’re quick to label other posters on this site as “sad,” which is, ironically, exactly how you come across.
Michael
@Little Kiwi:
Ugh stfu already you ALWAYS think you are right.Im surprised that you have any friends your arrogance is appalling and so are you as a human being.
You continue to prove what a massive ego you have and how you LITERALLY act as if you know more then everyone here.You are a pathetic sad sack of a man in so many ways I am not gonna sit here and try to justify my opinion and why I feel the way I do.Fuck you very much and have a nice day you egotistical idiot.
Michael
@Little Kiwi:
Unlike you loser my life doesnt revolve around winning YT arguments.Even more proof of how pathetic and pitiful you are dude.Take your head out of your ass already egoboy.
Tom in Lazybrook
Look..the real problem isn’t that Obama isn’t great (but good) on Gay issues, but the Human Rights Campaign is AWFUL as a lobbying group. We need a real advocacy group.
Little Kiwi
so wait…Michael, do you truly believe that President Obama is a Muslim?
based on…..that youtube video made by a racist right-wing group? REALLY?
I asked you why yuo don’t trust Barack Obama. You said “.Maybe it has to do with him being Muslim and their beliefs about homosexuality I do not know”
he’s not a Muslim. I’m not “egotistical” for being aware that you’re completely wrong about that. Nor does it make me arrogant. You claim Obama is a Muslim. That’s just factually incorrect. it doesn’t make me arrogant to point our that you’re wrong. it makes you a fucking idiot, and likely a racist too. 😀
You claim Obama is a Muslim. That’s a lie. You call me arrogant for pointing out that you’re wrong. Hilarious 🙂
@Libertarian Larry – you’re moving goalposts when you get proven wrong. thanks for proving me right. you’re right, everything isn’t gay gay gay. at least up in Canada, where LGBT Equality has already been attained.
If militant activism is your idea of success, then congrats, good for you, have a good life.”
Well…it is a good life. it worked. We have our Equality. How well is your way of doing things working so far? You’re decades behind Canada. Why dismiss people who’ve actually produced results in getting what they want? I’m puzzled….
😉
Little Kiwi
no, Michael. your life clearly revolves around attempting to argue with me and only making yourself look like a complete idiot.
we get it. you don’t trust Obama because you insist that he’s a Muslim, when he in fact is not. And why do you insist that he’s a Muslim? Well, you’re likely a racist just like your parents.
😀
i mean, really. you came on here to fight me and the best you can come up with is a falsehood about Obama being a Muslim? eeek. that aint my problem 😉
the crustybastard
Kiwi,
The objection that those of us in the US have to Obama’s position on marriage is this: “spouse” is a specially beneficial legal status, like “citizen.” He’s an attorney, he knows.
Imagine the US had a federal law categorically barring Muslims from citizenship. (Not too hard, is it?) Could Obama claim to “support Muslims” at the same time he also maintains his Christianity informs his belief that Muslims have no right to citizenship? He could try, but such a claim should ring hollow to intelligent people who understand what the “equal protection” and “due process” clauses mean. He’s an attorney, he knows.
You are justifiably proud of Canada’s successes in LGBT rights. But those rights weren’t respected until you had courts and political leadership that boldly respected those rights. It sure didn’t happen due to “pragmatic” pandering to the antigay religious base. The US is not so different from Canada. It will require boldness here as well. Obama’s base is not going to defect to the Republicans because Obama takes an unqualified stand for full equality. It isn’t going to happen that way, and we need to quit accommodating the poisonous notion that gay rights are politically toxic. They are not.
And on a more personal note, I wonder how you can observe the pervasive and occasionally dangerous levels of antigay hostility in the US, and at the same time be so judgmental and horrible to private individuals who believe it is necessary to stay closeted?
You should be proud of your progressive country and proud of your supportive parents. But you should also understand that not everybody was blessed with the same great fortune. And you should also recognize you didn’t earn that fortune — you were born to it. So rather than being the superior voice reminding us how much our country sucks and how much our parents hate us, you might try a little empathy once in a while. Just a thought.
Cheers.
Little Kiwi
@Crusty, THAT i wholly agree with. 100%!
it’s my frustration with him, as well. pandering to the simpletons rather than saying “actually, from a factual standpoint your objection is baseless and irrelevant”
i totally agree. i’m not thrilled with his actions either. but i’m not going to say “because he’s a Muslim!” (which he’s not) as my justification for my feelings.
I understand The Closet, too. But at the same time, those in it have no business complaining that those who are Out are “doing it wrong” – that’s my issue. If you’re In , don’t complain about those who are Out.
By all means, Come Out in your own time – but until you’re dealing what an Out person deals with, it’s ridiculous to btich about the gays being Out being ‘the wrong kind of gays’ – THAT is my issue.
stand up to be counted and represent yourself, but don’t complain that those who are Out aren’t doing things “your way” – that’s my stance, Crusty, which I’m sure you can understand.
“And you should also recognize you didn’t earn that fortune — you were born to it.”
I’ll take it one step further, actually: I’m living proof of what happens when more LGBT people make it “their business” to Live Out. My mother and father knew LGBT people. Not family members, I’m the first Out one in that regard. Business associates. Co-workers. Church members. People in the community. People who didn’t “have” to let my family know that they were LGBT, but nonetheless DID – they made the CHOICE to Live Out, and in doing so opened the doors for ME.
that’s my point. always has been, always will – people say “why should i come out”? i’m living proof. we adults who are strong enough to do it should be opening the doors for the next generations of LGBT people. Men and Women in previous decades made a point of risking social disfavor and Came Out – to my parents. Because of those men and women the door was opened for me to Come Out in my teens.
It didn’t just happen on its own – I’m living proof of why it’s important for us to Come Out, to everyone.
Pocket Otter
@the crustybastard: Bravo to you, sir. Hopefully your insightful comment will finally shame Li’l Kiwi into silence. One can only hope.
Little Kiwi
And no, Canadians got marriage equality because we had a leader that took a stand against the bigots. An intelligent, logical, fact-based decision was made. not one that courts a baseless and emotional “opinion” – after all the big argument against Marriage Equality seems to be “But they’re GAYYYYY!” as if that makes automatic sense or something….
that said, LGBT Canadians and LGBT-supportive Canadians made it a priority. Do I wish Obama would take such a stand, and risk public scorn by doing what millions will hate by making a Federal LGBT Equality Act or bill? YES> Of Course.
i’m just one who actually thinks it could come from Term Two. Do the rest of you really think it won’t?
Obama is far too intelligent to let such an opportunity pass him by. He knows how future generations will look back on all of this, he knows how to cement his place in history. Do you guys TRULY think Term Two won’t be historic?
Michael
@Little Kiwi:
Stfu already and there you go again with your superiority bullshit.You act like you are Gods gift to the world.You sir are not even a gentleman much less a rhodes scholar. I know gay americans who are far more intelligent classier and humble then YOU will ever be.Now fuck off already.Said it before will say it again if I ever met you id probably knock you out just for the shitty way you treat people.
tjr101
Anytime someone says, “Obama is a muslim” that person is usually a right-wing troll. It’s 3 years into his administration and that sort of crap is still being thrown around along with him being a Kenyan.
fredo777
Wow. Some definite novel-length replies posted on this one since my last comment.
If I wasn’t self-diagnosed with ADD, I’d read through all of them. Alas…
Little Kiwi
How does my understanding that President Obama is not Muslim make me any of the things you’ve listed?
Seriously. I don’t get it. you want to physically attack me because i understand that President Obama is not Muslim and you don’t?
then you criticize me for being a bully in the same breath that you utter a physical threat against me? gurl, you unHINGED.
first, i’m not remotely scared of your threats of violence against me. not at all. not even a little bit. you keep insisting that President Obama is Muslim. He’s not. Me pointing that out doesn’t mean I have a superiority complex. It’s pointing out that you’re factually incorrect.
Why do you believe that President Obama is Muslim?
Michael
@tjr101:
You’re ridiculous ive never been right wing in my life nor am I a troll.
I have nothing against muslims but people dont seem to be getting the point.Arrogance does that to a person. *rolls eyes as usual*
Obama himself admitted he was one of them and he said this after speaking of muslims .I dont give a damn what his religion or beliefs are that was not even the point of my entire comment.
My comment was addressing his personal stance on gay marriage or AGAINST gay marriage that is.
It has nothing to do with his being a muslim or not being a muslim or his religion for that matter.It does however have to do with his personal beliefs.
I have no problem… unlike SOME PEOPLE here to admit when I am wrong. But why would Obama himself claim he was Muslim if he were not? Why would someone lie about that? The man said it with his own words his own mouth yet a certain numbskull here refuses to believe it.Anything to be right all the time I guess some people are just that sad.
Little Kiwi
President Obama is not a Muslim. to keep insisting that he is only makes you look like an idiot, and at worst a bigot.
for real. you’re angry at me when you should be angry at yourself. President Obama is not Muslim. You keep insisting that he is. The rest of us pointing out that you’re wrong doesn’t make us assholes, dude.
And it doesnt’ mean you get to physically threaten people.
Michael
@Little Kiwi:
Nope I have no reason to be angry at myself dipshit Im not a bigot never have been a day in my life.Yet here you continue to LIE and claim I am.Always funny when people like you claim something is true yet never have any facts to back up your LIES with.Unbelievable but not surprised by you never am.
Talk about childish also yet another way your parents failed you miserably.Calling me an idiot for simply having a difference in opinion in that area.No wonder gays dont have equality half of you idiots are not even capable of showing equal respect to each other no surprise.In order to obtain equality we need to first learn to treat each other with respect but knowing people like you exist within this community hell would have to freeze over before that ever happened.
tjr101
@Michael: Do you have proof of him saying this? A link would be appreciated.
As for him not supporting same-sex marriage I see it more as a political calculation more than anything else since the majority of Americans still don’t support SSM. After all he did support it while he was an unknown back in Chicago. And then I ask you Michael, since when does any politician act on a genuine belief and not political calculation? We don’t elect saints, Ab Lincoln had a half hearted approach to emancipation of slaves and JFK had a half ass approach to black civil rights.
Jobew
American politics are hilarious, but sad. And Michael sounds like a total douche.
Little Kiwi
Fact: President Obama is not Muslim
Fact: YOU keep insisting that he is
This isn’t a “difference of opinion.” This is you ignoring a fact. This isnt about “equal respect” – it’s about respecting the facts. THE FACTS>
Everyone is entitled to their own opinions, everyone is *not* entitled to their own facts. I don’t know why this is lost on you.
My parents taught me that much – knowing the difference between a fact and an opinion.
I can’t “respect” the lie you’re telling. It’s a LIE. President Obama is NOT MUSLIM.
Michael
@Jobew:
You sound like an asshole so we are even.
Little Kiwi
Why do you keep insisting that President Obama is Muslim, Michael?
do you not realize that the link you provided as “proof” not only doesn’t prove it, but was put together by a racist right-wing extremist group?
Next you’ll be citing the KKK and lauding their fascinating documentary on how fit Blacks and Jews are at being parents.
😉
Michael
@Little Kiwi:
I can’t respect the fact that you were on a video about bullying when you do the same thing.
I can’t respect the fact that you claim that some people here are afraid their daddys do not love them.
I can’t respect the fact that you think that your I.Q. gives you some form of entitlement and makes you think you can talk down and treat people like shit whenever you want to.
I can’t respect someone who tells certain people here that they should go hang themselves I.E. SUICIDE.
I can’t respect someone who then goes onto a video about a kid who was bullied to the point of where he committed suicide who has ALREADY told others to do the same thing here.
Lastly I can not respect…. a hypocrite and you are one of those on many levels.
Your parents didnt teach you humility they didnt teach you how to respect people etc…… id be here all day dude.
You made a dumbass deal about me saying Obama was muslim when the man himself has even said he is Muslim .Yet anything you can do to LIE and win internet arguments you will ALWAYS do as you have done here today in an attempt to smear and discredit my words.YOU are the idiot.You stupidly claimed that video was right wing it makes no difference whether its left or right moron Obama himself SAID he was Muslim and theres nothing wrong with that either no matter how many times you attempt to paint me as a racist.
Little Kiwi
President Obama is not Muslim. The only people who keep insisting that he is are racists.
fact.
Michael
@Little Kiwi:
Guess again dumbfuck ive never been racist a day in my life.But please do continue your little smear campaign you’re an arrogant ass anyways so this does not surprise me in the least.Continue to expose YOUR character flaws maybe eventually even your kiss asses will catch on and see the REAL you. 🙂
You who tells people to go hang themselves talk about a sick person that would be YOU hypocrite not me.
Little Kiwi
curious, how do justify calling me a “hypocrite” when you yourself, in this thread and others, have uttered physical threats against me?
😀
are you applying the same logic that you use to deduce that President Obama is a Muslim, even though he’s not?
sure looks like it 😉
Little Kiwi
No, you tell people that you’re going to physically assault them in public 😉
You now sound just like Rick Santorum, actually. He rants and rants and spreads lies against LGBT people and then says “This is so unfair! Why are you calling me a bigot! I’m not bigoted!”
You keep saying President Obama is a Muslim. When he’s not. Sure, you’re not racist 😉 And Rick Santorum isn’t remotely homophobic.
😉
yes. the real me. the eeeeevil realll me….that understands that President Obama is not Muslim.
😉
Cam
@Michael: said…
Obama has even admitted to being Muslim suck on that bitch. 🙂
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1. The video you linked to STARTS with t adisclaimer that says the people who made the video state that it in no way is meant to imply Obama is a Muslim. So you might want to actually check your links before you paste them.
2. The right wing has attacked Obama for BOTH being a Muslim AND for the statements made the the Reverned Wright, leader of the CHRISTIAN church he attends. How interesting that according the right wing he is a Christian AND a Muslim.
Here is a thought, instead of being a bigot, if you dislike something about Obamas actions or policies try using those. Merely to run around foaming at the mouth yelling “He’s a Muslim” is just foolish.
Michael
@Little Kiwi:
You’re pathetic how you ALWAYS think you are right and everyone else is wrong.You really do have an ego problem kid.
Nice attempt though smug little twit. You must be incredibly stupid you are so determined to make yourself right you are being intellectually dishonest and LYING .Claiming that Obama did not say he was Muslim in that video.Did you watch the same video I did? It wasnt changed the video wasnt messed with you could tell if it was.So YOU are the one being intellectually dishonest here not me.
My comment pertained to real life you idiot thankfully I dont know trash like you and would never associate with your kind to begin with.You arrogant little shits make the LGBT community look really bad but of course your arrogance makes you think you never do any wrong theres that lack of humility thing again lol
Id never physically harm you because you are worth my time to begin with.Not to mention itd be incredibly stupid to get into a fight over an INTERNET argument to begin with.Especially to get the money bus ticket plane ticket whatever and go to where you live.Id never waste my time.Unlike you I do not talk down to people that happens when your parents teach you humility im sorry yours failed you so massively in that area.But please keep tooting your own horn morons like you never can admit your mistakes always have to point the finger at someone else.Typical.
Little Kiwi
this isn’t about thinking anyone’s right or wrong. it’s about addressing facts. i’m defenseless in the face of facts.
i understand the difference between facts and opinions.
you, clearly, do not.
Cam, for example, gave an intelligent well-reason and backed-up expression of his dissatisfaction with Obama. the points he made i actually agree with.
you keep saying “He’s a Muslim!”
congrats. you’re like that crazy-haired McCain lady we all came to know and love on Youtube 😀
but hey, keep digging your own grave. keep insisting that he’s a Muslim and that you’re not racist.
good luck with that 😉
heheehe.
Michael
@Cam:
I am seriously amazed how arrogant this community is as a whole.Get some fucking humility already .Pitiful how you went through all that trouble to nitpick in order to support your argument.Egotistical people like you always do that though. Hilarious how half of you here treat others as if they are simpletons or commoners because they simply disagree with any of you.
No wonder this community has so many issues.I beg to differ also moron I have never been racist or bigoted a day in my life I have friends of all shapes sizes genders races nationality creed religions etc….
Michael
@Little Kiwi:
Thank god my parents raised me better then you and half these peoples here did.
No humility in any of you how sad.
Anyways ive been researching and now I see that the reason I said that previously was they have twisted and distorted things over the years about Obama.
Over the years its has gotten to the point of confusing .Some people say hes Christian others say hes Muslim so I was basically in the bracket of not knowing which one was true or not true.
But I enjoy this I am glad I am exposing this community for what it actually is a bunch of arrogant assholes who gang up on people who disagree with them bully them and treat them like shit. Great community here no wonder half the kids in America dont want to come out… look at the community awaiting them.I feel for them and definitely understand.But anyways LilShitwi will be along soon flaunting himself as usual lol
Point proven about this community though many users here have proven that its all about egos talking down to people demeaning and lessening another persons opinion or putting them down if they simply disagree with an opinion.Uh huh yeah sureee as I said nice community NOT .
Little Kiwi
you’re the one who needs the humility, dude. you’re too proud to admit that you’re wrong. this isn’t about Opinions – this is you intentionally ignoring a factual reality.
the only people in this country who are still insisting that President Obama is “a Muslim” are racists.
You’re not a simpleton for not agreeing, you’re a fucking idiot for ignoring factual reality because you’re too proud to admit that you’re wrong.
I’m truly sorry that your father wasn’t able to teach you that a real man accepts facts and realities, and doesn’t try to “save face” by continuing to insist that a lie is in fact truth.
you have my sympathies for that. genuinely.
Little Kiwi
what did you expose? that you just wasted an evening insisting that you were right when you were in fact wrong?
that’s not my fault. you were too proud to listen to the truth, and argued with me even though you were wrong the entire time.
now you’re blaming “the community” for knowing things that you refused to. is it MY fault you didn’t know Obama wasn’t Muslim?
No. It was yours. Notice that you’re blaming me “ego” for you not knowing Obama wasn’t a Muslim.
reverse it. you didn’t know because you can’t get over YOUR OWN EGO.
your last post was particularly hilarious. you’re mad at me, and the community, for being right about something that you were so proud to be wrong about.
because that makes sense 😉
night sugar! 😀
CBRad
@Michael: Michael- Yes, the gay “community” is greatly made up of bullies, but I think even they don’t represent the vast array of homosexuals out there, most who are a varied bunch of different religions, political persuasions, open to different viewpoints, rich and poor, etc. or just working 9 to 5 and don’t have time for these blogs, which really ARE, greatly, for people with too much time on their hands. And that includes me sometimes.
Politically Incorrect Thug
@Michael: Since first visiting this site, I’ve become alarmingly aware of how thin-skinned our gay brothers are. Reason rarely works well with hyper-militant liberals.
Michael
@Little Kiwi:
Thanks for once again proving what a hypocritical dipshit YOU are.You go around here claiming people should hang themselves and you think thats acceptable? That there is nothing wrong with that? Fucking moron. Oh yeah YOUR parents did a damn bang up job when it came to raising you to be a decent human being.Hell you arent even capable of doing THAT.
My father died in July you dumbfuck but thanks for reminding me.You’re a fucking idiot to keep bringing peoples fathers up to begin with.YOUR father failed YOU mine instilled in me values and the ability to treat others with respect.Its only your dipshit kind who are too hypocritical and vile to others I have no respect for period.You have my sympathies for once AGAIN trying to turn it around on me instead of focusing on YOUR lack of humility and respect for others.Like I said your parents did a bang up job raising you NOT.Flagged again.
Little Kiwi
i didn’t spent a whole evening insisting that Barack Obama is a Muslim when he in fact is not. That was you.
Just as P.I.T. bitches about how little Obama has done for the LGBT Community, all the while he voted for JOHN MCCAIN who not only would have done even less, but would have worked to undo what has already been done.
Keep flagging me, Michael. it’s not my fault that you didn’t properly educate yourself.
you have been talking about “my parents” all day. i did the same thing. you cried foul.
look up the word hypocrite, you use it enough 😉
Michael
If this is what this site is all about mocking making fun of putting down peoples opinions then to hell with it.You people need help in more ways then one.The next time another child takes their life blame YOURSELVES its exactly this kind of behavior and attitudes that perpetuates this kind of hate not only towards our community but to those who want to be a part of it.The exclusionary attitudes are especially disgraceful.
Egos and I.Q.s do not make a decent human being too bad half of you never will comprehend that.
As far as Obama I was incorrect and once again unlike most of you I can admit that. Im not racist nor bigoted Im also ashamed to be a part of this community knowing people like Kiwi exist within it and give it a bad name.
CBRad
@Michael: Whenn I saw those “hang yourself” posts it totally negated anything kiwi has to say. And what’s worse, he’s trying to press their “suicide buttons”, trying to push them over the edge, from a safe comfortable suburb. Isn’t that creepy as anything? He probably worships Michael Vick.
Little Kiwi
Obama is not a Muslim. Had you been smart enough to know that we’d have had no argument today, Michael.
go back to the beginning, see how our interactions today began and ended. it was all you, dude.
you didn’t admit anything. you sulked, and then still found a way to make it everyone else’s fault.
seriously. reread this thread. from where you and i began. notice who flew off the handle and was ridiculous right away. *hint – it wasn’t me.
aiight, off with the man 😀
Michael
@Little Kiwi:
Nah my comments about your parents were about the shitty way you treat people.Never speak to me about getting myself educated either you pompous bore.You just never quit period like I said though thank God I dont have friends like you id never be that desperate nor pitiful enough to be friends with someone who looks down on others and patronizes them the way you do.You are a bully dipshit you always will be one and the hilarious thing is you are too stupid to even see that.
My dad died in the hospital in July from a virus that got in his blood and slowly shut his body down.
The difference is I didnt say anything hateful about your parents I just said they failed you.
My father unlike your parents though however is DEAD a sociopath like you though is never capable of being a decent person so this once again does NOT surprise me in the least.
Now fuck off back to your shit doesn’t stink friends . So glad people like you do not represent this community.
the crustybastard
Michael, Kiwi: would you two either fuck each other or knock it off?
Please?
And ferchrissakes, what does it MATTER which pile of superstitious nonsense Obama claims to believe? Whether his antigay bigotry is rationalized by Yahweh or Jesus or Muhammad or Krishna or Zeus or Odin or Rongo or Zombi or Quetzalcoatl or a talking dog doesn’t make a goddam bit of difference.
Obama is still a bigot using religion to justify his continued bigotry, and why should I endure this theocratic nonsense as a policy basis from the Chief Executive of the United Goddam States?
It’s precisely the same shit Republicans are selling, and it’s not somehow more palatable because it comes from Democrats.
Michael
@CBRad:
Hes a typical sociopath he’s another one on this site who cares far more about words then he does about people.
Michael
@Little Kiwi:
LOL you are a pathetic loser never think you can do no wrong ever.
You have told PEOPLE TO GO HANG THEMSELVES HERE THAT IS A LITTLE SOMETHING CALLED SUICIDE.
So my hypocritical thinks hes always right dipshit WHY would you say shit like that if you are against bullying?Your superiority bullshit btw is old tired and boring as you are dude but glad in your own mind you are always right yay you! You lied also about me sulking you really are pitiful love to put words into peoples mouths don’t ya? 😉
All I did was chew you up and spit you out as you always deserve based on the shitty way you treat people here. 🙂
I will never let you off that easily child anyone who tells people they should go hang themselves is clearly MENTAL. Please seek help for your many psychological issues it takes a real lunatic to go around telling people to take their own lives.Even more so it takes a true hypocrite to claim they were right about some nonexistent argument about Obama that YOU made the big deal out of in the first place lol
You just kept boring me to the point where I told you to fuck off.I even specifically told you to stop talking to me but you persisted.So no LIAR you only have yourself to blame one only needs to go back and see you directed a comment to me that INITIATED this entire thing. You really are a BAAAAAD Liar dude 🙂
Oh noezz Obamas a Christian Obamas a muslim oh noezz lmfao
Psst dude Ive got friends who are atheist christian muslim protestant etc… Nice try at trying to smear me making me look like a bigot just because I previously disagreed with you. :)You always think you are right and prove your points when the fact is you are sad in so many ways and hardly ever prove ANYTHING unless that is you prove more about YOURSELF.That is even LESS about yourself then you already do here on a daily basis. 🙂
I also know how it feels to be talked down dumbass so why would I have an ego to begin with? I dont talk down to people like YOU do or half the people on this site im just blunt and to the point.
Michael
@the crustybastard:
LOL I have a wonderful boyfriend id never be that desperate to begin with lol
I agree with what you said also.Look out though anyone that disagrees with Kiwithemagnificent will get a bunch of long ass boring speeches sermons whatever the fuck they are called lol
Red Meat
Bachmann for first gay lady 2012!
jeff4justice
As if there was much competition.
I’ll vote for a Green, Libertarian,, or Peace & Freedom party candidate instead of this corporately-owned tool.
Too bad Obama, Kerry & Gore cost the alternative party candidates the election.
George412
@Little Kiwi:
Based on how many responses Little Kiwi has made over the course of this day I would suggest he invest in backing a President who can get him/her a job, whether Republican or Democrat. What do you do for work that you have time to play online all day? Or is that just the Canadian work ethic?
Hyhybt
NEITHER party can really fix the economy.
Personally, I think Obama has done pretty well, all things considered… but for those who don’t: which is better, a weak ally or a strong opponent?
David Nichols
I hate when gay people (or I guess, anyone really) says that they are not impressed with Obama on GLBT rights/issues. Those that say because we don’t have complete equality with straights that he is not trying hard enough. He doesn’t have a magic wand that he can just wave and go POOF!! equal rights granted. He is not a monarch that can simply make sovereign decrees whenever and where ever he sees fit. He has made much progress for the lgbt(as well as his action to preserve the separation of church and state). I support Obama, and to say that Obama doesn’t care about gay Americans is absolutely ludicrous.
Michael
@David Nichols:
What exactly is Obama doing about the anti gay hate in schools? Words mean nothing unless their are actions behind those words that make an actual difference.So whilst he has done more for this community then any other president even did or attempted we still have a long way to go and so does he.Surprisingly though I am trying to stay optimistic and hopeful.
We all need hope in this world especially those lost souls out there who believe they never had any to begin with or have lost all theirs.
TxHeat
Obama 2012! I will not argue with those that vote otherwise but to me I think they are at best Gay Uncle Toms with blood on there hands of future Gay generations. I do not find it hard to believe the Tea Party has so called Gay followers as some people put personal greed above all else or still suffer from self hatred. I will vote for someone who will appoint Supreme court justices that believe in rights for all Americans. Thank you President Obama for all the freedoms you have assured our people and I look forward to term 2.
R.A,
Any gay person who would vote for Bachmann, Perry or Caine is an absolute moron.
In fact, so is any straight person.
Frank
Nope. I believe in voting my conscience and for a candidate who has the platform and the integrity to truly represent me, not simply for who’s popular. I still regret not voting for a person truly worthy of my vote, Cynthia McKinney, instead of drinking the Kool-Aid and voting for Obama in 2008. I didn’t make that same mistake in 2010, and I won’t in 2012. They may not win, but at least I can say that I was true to myself and didn’t sell out my values. After all, if no one votes for a third party candidate and we all submit to the tyranny of the two party fascism we are currently under, then the dream of democracy is dead.
To vote for some corporate puppet who is merely part of the wider agenda of destroying this country would truly be a waste of my vote, and a personal embarrassment. I believe in change, not the same ol’ crap. As long as we have Democrats and Republicans running the show along with their corporate and Wall Street controllers – nothing will change.
So they can continue sucking up to minorities with their vain propaganda in order to get our votes. It’s not going to sway me. At this point, I’m more worried about if I’m ever going to able to find a job which pays a livable wage, if I’m ever going to be able to have access to health care and if I’m going to have a roof over my head than about anything else.
fredo777
@Little Kiwi: “fredo, this is a guy who complains about Obama being “maddeningly silent on all things LGBT” who voted for McCain who was maddeningly vocal with his anti-LGBT beliefs as part of his campaign.”
‘Nuff said.
Frank
@jeff4justice:
“Too bad Obama, Kerry & Gore cost the alternative party candidates the election.”
Right on!
Rainfish
If he wins a second term, what makes you think that Obama wont give the one-finger salute to the GLBT Community. He didn’t care much about them during his first term when he knew he might have to really depend upon them to get re-elected (especially in close election), so, in a second term, what makes you think he would give a flying f*ck for a constituency whose legal marriages he once directed his Department of (in)Justice to compare to incest and bestiality as he fought tooth and nail to prevent any challenge to DOMA? The same DOJ is still fighting in federal court to prevent a final adjudication upholding the constitutional rights of Gay and Lesbian military personnel. Yeah, fierce advocate that Obama, uh huh.
And no, there never was a federal law that required Obama’s DOJ to defend any law the Congress passes that the DOJ deemed constitutionally questionable. Every president, Democrat and Republican alike, have refused in the past to do so on many occasions. But wait, the GLBT community are such masochistic, fearful, battered children that any abusive Democratic politician can rely on them to come crawling back like a whipped dog when you beat them down — so you can get away with anything. All you have to do is paint them a spooky picture of the big, bad Republican boogie-man to scare the fudge out of them. Fear is very powerful controlling force when you have a bunch of panicky cowards who allow themselves to be ruled by it.
Obama is a bigger thespian on the political stage than Ronald Regan ever was — the only difference really is that Reagan followed up on his nefarious grand plan, or at least tried. If going to the then Democratic congress didn’t work, he’d use his bully pulpit and go directly to the American people — and it worked ninety percent of the time. Obama just wallows in the BS of his own rhetorical poetic prose and invites every lemming in the Democratic party to joyfully fling their objectivity into the abyss of group-think and group-fear. I’ve seen him hit all of the right buttons and heard him say all the “Hopey, Changey” things that his drooling, adoring, uncritical fanboys and girls wanted to hear. To his credit Obama is an eloquent orator, but let us never forget what a dangerously incompetent and clueless leader he is as well.
For example, one of his cardinal campaign promises was to not extend the Bush tax cut for the wealthy. He made it very clear during the campaign that it would increase the deficit and that would be like throwing a wounded pigeon to the fiscal hawks in Congress. So what does Obama do, he extends the Bush Tax Cut and a few months later the Teabaggers hand him the bill for it and threaten to default on our national debt as well as shut down the government. The man cannot govern, he is a political train-wreak. His naivety in governance combined with his hubris and spinelessness is a recipe for disaster.
The best Obama can do, at this point, for the American people is to go on television and declare that he will not run for a second term, like Lyndon Johnson (who, by the way, was a far, far better president up to the point of getting suckered into the Vietnam War by the red-baiting Republicans in Congress).
If you truly fear a secessionist Rick “I speak to Jeebus” Perry or a magic underwear-wearing, gay-bashing, Mormon President Romney, then you should encourage Barrack “Gawd is in the mix” Obama to hang it up before it is too late. He had his shot and he blew it. Maybe he’ll “evolve”, or devolve, back to his pro-marriage equality, pro-union, pro-national health care, anti-war stance when he is safely back in Chicago and doesn’t have to face opposition on those issues. But who knows.
Labinot Ajeti
i thought you like change because you like obama
Rainfish
If he wins a second term, what makes you think that Obama wont give the one-finger salute to the GLBT Community? He didn’t care much about them during his first term when he knew he might have to really depend upon them to get re-elected (especially in close election), so, in a second term, what makes you think he would give a crap about a constituency whose legal marriages he once directed his Department of (in)Justice to compare to incest and bestiality as he fought tooth and nail to prevent any challenge to DOMA? The same DOJ is still fighting in federal court to prevent a final adjudication upholding the constitutional rights of Gay and Lesbian military personnel. Yeah, fierce advocate that Obama, uh huh.
And no, there never was a federal law that required Obama’s DOJ to defend any law the Congress passes that the DOJ deemed constitutionally questionable. Every president, Democrat and Republican alike, have refused in the past to do so on many occasions. But wait, the GLBT community are such masochistic, fearful, battered children that any abusive Democratic politician can rely on them to come crawling back like a whipped dog when you beat them down — so you can get away with anything. All you have to do is paint them a spooky picture of the big, bad Republican boogie-man to scare the fudge out of them. Fear is very powerful controlling force when you have a bunch of panicky cowards who allow themselves to be ruled by it.
Obama is a bigger thespian on the political stage than Ronald Regan ever was — the only difference really is that Reagan followed up on his nefarious grand plan, or at least tried. If going to the then Democratic congress didn’t work, he’d use his bully pulpit and go directly to the American people — and it worked ninety percent of the time. Obama just wallows in the BS of his own rhetorical poetic prose and invites every lemming in the Democratic party to joyfully fling their objectivity into the abyss of group-think and group-fear. I’ve seen him hit all of the right buttons and heard him say all the “Hopey, Changey” things that his drooling, adoring, uncritical fanboys and girls wanted to hear. To his credit Obama is an eloquent orator, but let us never forget what a dangerously incompetent and clueless leader he is as well.
For example, one of his cardinal campaign promises was to not extend the Bush tax cut for the wealthy. He made it very clear during the campaign that it would increase the deficit and that would be like throwing a wounded pigeon to the fiscal hawks in Congress. So what does Obama do, he extends the Bush Tax Cut and a few months later the Teabaggers hand him the bill for it and threaten to default on our national debt as well as shut down the government. The man cannot govern, he is a political train-wreak. His naivety in governance combined with his hubris and spinelessness is a recipe for disaster.
The best Obama can do, at this point, for the American people is to go on television and declare that he will not run for a second term, like Lyndon Johnson (who, by the way, was a far, far better president up to the point of getting suckered into the Vietnam War by the red-baiting Republicans in Congress).
If you truly fear a secessionist Rick “I speak to Jeebus” Perry or a magic underwear-wearing, gay-bashing, Mormon President Romney, then you should encourage Barrack “Gawd is in the mix” Obama to hang it up before it is too late. He had his shot and he blew it. Maybe he’ll “evolve”, or devolve, back to his pro-marriage equality, pro-union, pro-national health care, anti-war stance when he is safely back in Chicago and doesn’t have to face opposition on those issues. But who knows.
mylilpip
i want to remind (or educate) you all that the last great “fierce advocate” of gay rights was Bill Clinton. It was under his watch that DADT and the Defense of Marriage Act happened. Change doesn’t come as easy you think people.
Dave
I scanned through this story and the stack of messages attached to it. What jumped out at me was the “Obama is a Muslim” argument. Huh???
My political views are simple: if you have a “D” or an “R” after your name, you have a vested interest in maintaining the status quo. I can’t trust you and won’t support you. So most of the arguments that were made here are moot in my mind. But the fact that there are ***STILL*** people who actually insist that Obama is really, truly a Muslim blows my mind. Much like maintaining a belief in Santa Claus into adulthood, one would have to be expending an awful lot of energy each day just to remain ignorant enough to believe this long-ago disproven, ridiculously over-hyped, lame-ass attempt at a political smear-job. It’s a “rumor” that played like overly-obvious satire in its first life several years ago.
The fact that there are still people who don’t know any better and/or don’t think anything of voicing such a belief is pitiful, and it’s an indication of exactly why the USA is on the decline: Too many Americans are content to be ignorant, uneducated, uninvolved dumbasses who think that their opinions should still matter even if they’re too lazy to seek out good information on which to base said opinions.
james_from_cambridge
Michael, you need some serious therapy. Mental illness is a problem in this country in general because it goes undiagnosed so often but you especially seem to be on the verge of a breakdown. And you can’t keep lying about Obama “admitting he’s a Muslim”, which is a flat out lie and everyone knows it’s a flat out lie, then claim victimhood when people call you out on it being a lie. That’s a well-worn right-wing tactic and no one is gonna keep silent when you tell such a blatant lie, just because you seem unstable. Please get some help and stop regurgitating right-wing lies here. Nobody is gonna put up with it.
As for the right-wing trolling, as I’ve said in the past, it’s a tactic they use on gay and Liberal sites. Read about it here…
http://www.redstate.com/davenj1/2011/05/15/weakening-the-democratic-base-part-5-liberal-netroots/
Brutus
@Little Kiwi: Sup Ray.
Michael
@james_from_cambridge:
Stfu you idiot im blunt and to the point not unstable.Idiots like you just love to talk down to people and Im quite frankly sick and tired of it.Bullies like you need to be kicked off of this site and banned permanently.FYI also dumbass I admitted I was wrong about Obama but feel free to rip people to shreds for having different opinions then you do.You arrogant little hypocrites were definitely not raised to be decent human beings.Your kind cares far more about words then people.You have been flagged also for your incredibly rude and vile comment.How dare people like you continuously claim people are unstable for simply believing differently or thinking differently then you do.This site would be better off without people like you period.Im not right wing either you idiot nor a troll.So you assumed you knew so much about me know it all when you actually know nothing.I suggest once AGAIN for the slow ones to gain some humility some maturity and actually be capable of having a civil disagreement with someone without resorting to the usual stupidity claiming someone has a mental illness.Your kind are disgusting I bet you mock people who actually DO have mental issues would not surprise me in the least.
Michael
@james_from_cambridge:
Your kind always thinks because you believe you are all so brilliant and think you all have high I.Q.s that you can patronize condescend look down on and talk down to people all the time.
What pitiful existences I could care less how high or how low your I.Q. is its obvious none of you are decent human beings and were definitely not raised to treat others with respect.
Michael
@james_from_cambridge:
Oh and moron I have social anxiety disorder and my father died in July that is the extent of my : ” mental issues” rolls eyes so you know that was sarcasm.
Little Kiwi
@George, I’m a writer. work from home 🙂
President Obama is two things:
1. Not a Muslim
2. The most pro-LGBT President in the history of the United States of America
despite the fact that I am not completely happy with how things have been handled, you will not see me disregarding either of those two FACTS
Michael
@Little Kiwi:
1.Yes Obama is not a Muslim so let me clarify I was incorrect on that.But of course you always think you are right no matter what regardless of whether it is factually correct or not.
Gee what a shocker when it comes to you.
2.He is indeed but he still has a long way to go and there is still progress that needs to be made especially the anti gay bullying in schools.These kids need to feel safe loved and wanted and schools are not doing enough to make them feel that way.Its bad enough these kids are bullied in school but then they come home and continued to be bullied online.
There is never any escape for these kids and they need an escape but not by taking their own lives.Something has to be done to make progress in this country to prevent these tragedies from continuing to happen.
Little Kiwi
“But of course you always think you are right no matter what regardless of whether it is factually correct or not.”
Actually I don’t ever disagree with facts. I am a slave to facts. If you want to “prove me wrong” you need to back up your statements with facts. I do not disagree with facts because I’m smart enough to know that while opinions vary, facts do not. I do not disagree with facts. Ever. That would be you. You spent hours, and indeed years, demanding that not only is President Obama a Muslim, but that your “opinion” that he is should be respected. That’s insane. And I’ve seen from your other posts that you get very very butt-hurt when you get corrected with facts. It’s clear you need serious psychological help. I won’t be replying to you anymore. Feel free to build an obsession for someone else.
Michael
@Little Kiwi:
Fuck off already loser as I said before thankfully most of the people on this site do not represent the gay community as a whole.In all honesty people like you BELONG with the bigots your kind always bully patronize put down people and claim they have mental issues.You’re the one in need of professional help anyone who tells people to go hang themselves then continuously acts holier then thou is a fucking moron period.
Butthurt? Sorry I don’t care for nonsensical shit that never makes one iota of sense.Now fuck off already Ive had it up to here with your shitty hypocritical kind.People like you are responsible for these suicides just as much as the bullies who torment these children.
You’re no better nor are half the people here in that area anyone who tells people to go kill themselves is in dire need of a reality check.Thanks for once again proving you have no humility or one decent bone in your body gee what a shocker.
Dave
@Michael: All the silly childish insults you sling and all the lunatic fringe ranting you post cannot obscure or change this unfortunate truth:
You treated a long-disproven, malicious rumor as absolute fact because you couldn’t be bothered to research it for yourself. You tried to spread the rumor, and when called on it you chose to argue rather than find the truth (you must be **really** allergic to research).
If the lie you were spreading had been more obscure, less well-publicized, or less important, I think most people would give you a pass. But that isn’t the case here; your willful ignorance on this subject is utterly inexcusable, period. If you can’t be bothered to seek out facts and solid sources of information, then you should stop voicing political opinions.
Those who bother to do the right thing aren’t pompous, Michael; they’re only better than you because you choose to be lazy and ignorant. Every second you spend ranting defensively on Queerty is a second you’re not using to fix those two fundamental issues.
Michael
@Dave:
Shutup about me ranting egotistical one.Who the hell do you think you are to tell me what I should and should not speak of to begin with? Boring people can focus on politics their whole damn lives but I don’t.Theres too many lies corruption distortions of the truth and hardly anyone worth trusting when it comes to politics to begin with.So pardon me the commoner for making a mistake about Obama you elitists seriously make this community look bad.The utter gall you have to treat me with such atrocious condescension and patronizing is utterly revolting as well.Do not talk to me I bow to no one nor do I kiss anyones ass I am not here to stroke your pitiful ego either so find someone who will.I will be honest with how I feel about you egomaniacs and the way you treat people also so I suggest you grow up lose the ego and get over it.Freedom of speech works both ways you’re entitled to yours just as I am entitled to mine whether you agree with me or not plain and simple.
You are yet another not raised right either do you actually think the way people like you treat others within this community is right? The fact that you do not even see the hypocrisy of your own words and actions as well as many here is unbelievable but not surprising in the least. As I said before hypocrites in this community need to stop acting as if we are the good ones fighting for our equality when we are not even capable of treating each other with equal respect.The way you responded to me was condescending rude patronizing and infantile that was not respect nor will I be your ego boost either.
Dave
@Michael: I am an educator, so I simply insist that if people want to be taken seriously, they get their facts straight. There are no excuses for not doing so, and no one needs to focus their lives on one subject to accomplish that. Get your facts straight before you issue an opinion. It’s not to much to ask.
As for who the hell I think I am: I’m the guy who’s giving you the unvarnished truth, which is that unless your true goal in life is to write angry defensive rants, your current strategy is a failure. Social anxiety disorder would appear to be the tip of a very large iceberg in your life.
I can’t change facts; you’ll just have to choose to accept them, or not. But the fact is that as long as you foment lies and make excuses for doing so, you hardly deserve anything resembling “equal respect”. It might anger you, but you’re simply not going to be accepted and respected until you begin to post material that indicates that you are a responsible, intelligent, rational person.
Michael
@Dave:
There is that arrogance I speak of your kind has no shame at all period.
You are not a psychologist either so do not even attempt to psychoanalyze me.I could quite frankly care less what an elitist snob like you has to say to begin with.People like you are the ones I avoid much less never associate with in real life I have better taste and common sense in that area i’m afraid.
But feel free to keep tooting your own horn an educator does not talk down to those they teach which is exactly what you do.Hypocrite. No one made you an authority on how to compose oneself much less how to write but ty for the attempt at insulting my intelligence your kind is always perfect at that job no surprise.
james_from_cambridge
@Michael: Thanks for proving you need help with your insane rants and by having me flagged like a coward. You’re as pathetic as Kiwi says you are…
james_from_cambridge
@Michael:
And the basis for your psychosis seems to be jealousy at those who are more educated than you. The easy solution? Educate yourself Michael, that way you won’t be such an embarrassment to yourself and your community. Or at least take your meds so you make some kind of sense.
Dave
Everyone you converse with is arrogant, elitist, rude, not raised properly. Every mistake you make has an excuse that proves it’s not your fault. Every person who disagrees with you is attacking you. You wouldn’t last five minutes in a real college classroom, Michael–and that’s not because I’m stuck up, it’s because you’re a small-minded, emotionally disturbed, willfully ignorant windbag who mistakenly believes that others should respect you simply because you exist.
Michael
@james_from_cambridge:
Thanks again for ANOTHER insult seems to be all your kind is good at no surprise again.There goes the MEDS things again I could care less what Kiwi says hes an egotistical tool just like you are so I could quite frankly not give a shit what you have to say much less your opinion or that things for that matter.
The only embarassment continues to be your kind people who come here intentionally treating people as less then they are and slamming their opinions just because you’re too petty to respect those opinions without unwarranted hostility smart ass remarks and slams against a persons mentality claiming they are MENTAL.I have no psychosis so you are dead wrong nor do I suffer from anything such as that either.My mind is as clear as can be there is no instability here.Its not my fault I call people like you out for your utterly revolting attitudes and behavior here towards others.I could care less whether you like me or not quite frankly I cant stand any of you here you’re the ones continuing to make this community look bad.Ironic thing is ive heard from people who agree with me about you people and they are not even a part of this site.Now that IS sad.You are not better then me nor are you superior to me so I suggest you get off your high horse before I gladly knock you off of it as your kind deserves. 🙂
Michael
@Dave:
zzzzzz You are a bothersome bore and quite frankly a failure as an educator.If this is the lack of maturity you show to your students then I feel sorry for them. You continue as many here have TRIED with me to speak down to me and treat me as if I was a petulant child.The irony of your kinds behavior words and actions here on a daily basis proves the hypocrites in that area so I suggest you invest in a mirror already and look at the REAL problem.Your haughty attitude and rude response once again does not surprise me you are no gentlemen nor are you an educator for that matter.No educator speaks to their students the way you have spoke to me demeaning my value as a human being and like others have tried here trying to intellectually slaughter me.Get a life and get over yourself.Im beyond tired of your hypocritical judgmental kind at this point.I sincerely hope you can one day face the fact as so many of you are never capable of and just admit to yourselves that you do indeed have issues with your egos as well as failing miserably in treating others with respect and common human decency.Tis a pity.
Michael
@Dave:
Wrong again ye of little brains I never once have expected people to respect me for simply existing.But it shows a great amount of hypocrisy stupidity immaturity and ignorance on the part of many people here when they lash out and gang up on someone for a MISTAKE.
I have made it abundantly clear that I was incorrect on my assumption of Obama being a Muslim.
But no of course elitists (which you are one you just will not admit it) like yourself just could not let it go yesterday so you hypocrites continued to attack bash lash out and mock me for making a simple mistake.But then again thats all your kind is ever good for anyways mocking putting down and putting yourselves on an imaginary pedestal so you can look down on those you deem stupid dense unintelligent or beneath you.I tire of your kinds lies also it is ALWAYS my fault even when I admit my mistakes it continues to be the villain the bad guy etc…. Enjoy your delusions of grandeur which your kind suffers from 24/7 thankfully I don’t.Ive never thought of my opinion more then someone elses nor have I ever once thought of myself as better then someone… especially based on something as petty and childish as a difference of opinion.Carry on though feel free to toot your horn god knows enough of you do that on a daily basis here as it is.
Dave
@Michael: One sentence into your latest unhinged rant and I knew better than to waste time with the rest. How’s this for arrogant: You make Ann Coulter seem intelligent, polite, rational, and well-bred by comparison; I’ve no doubt that standing next to you even her spooky wide-eyed hysteria would seem diminished. You are truly too ignorant, too obstinate, too abrasive, too inarticulate, and too crazy to be worth any more of my time.
Michael
@Dave:
You are also too pompous egotistical arrogant pathetic pitiful immature on an imaginary pedestal and not worth a fucking shit to me in the first place.Now run along you pathetic excuse for an educator you must also talk down to your students and act as if you are above them.
Elitist snob continue to make this community look bad your kind always do gee what a shocker!
Sorry your parents raised you with no humility thats your problem not mine .
Michael
@Dave:
Egotistical
Someone who thinks they are the best and are never wrong.
Egotistical 139 up, 14 down
1) one who has become so ultimately consumed by their ego, that their entire view of the world and everyone in it is twisted. They usually perceive themselves as ‘God’s Gift to Women (mayhaps Men …)’ or are just plain sick as well as cocky.
2) A person whose ego exceeds both his intelligence and his capacity to see beyond his own personal interests.
3) A self-absorbed waste of oxygen who expects us to grovel at their feet like the unwashed masses they see us as
4) Someone who talks just to hear themselves (because no-one else will listen)
5) being egoist, is loving, respecting and admiring yourself more than any other being in the World. when you simply think, you’re the best.
in better words: your egoist when you start feeling sorry for someone because you don’t love him/her:)
Describes your kind perfectly . 🙂