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Supreme Court To Blame For Coming ‘Civil War’ Between Church + Gays

[W]hat the Supreme Court has set up is the greatest civil war between the church and the gay community. And let me just state for the record, we don’t want that fight. We love our gay brothers and sisters. But if the Supreme Court is not going to acknowledge the fact that we have a right as religious people to have a say-so in the framework of religious ethics for our culture and society, then we reject the Supreme Court on this issue.

—The Rev. Anthony Evans, a D.C. minister who has worked with Bishop Harry Jackson, reacts after the Supreme Court refused to hear Jackson’s challenge to D.C. marriage law [photo via]

By:           Max Simon
On:           Jan 20, 2011
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  • 32 Comments
    • gregger
      gregger

      asshat bigot slime.

      Jan 20, 2011 at 10:29 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Kev C
      Kev C

      Welcome to supreme bitch slap, Rev Evans.

      Jan 20, 2011 at 10:36 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Mr. Enemabag Jones
      Mr. Enemabag Jones

      Does he not see the irony in admonishing a court, who gave him and his ancestors much of the freedom he enjoys today, for giving freedom to another attacked minority?

      Jan 20, 2011 at 10:44 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • kayla
      kayla

      Some people are completely, and utterly unacquainted with the Constitution of the United States of America. They truly do not comprehend the concept of Separation of Church and State, as set forth in the First Amendment, which has again and again been reaffirmed by the courts of the land — Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof — They have the right to believe gays are going to hell, but the laws of the land cannot or should not reflect their religious point of view, they really don’t get it….

      As for this war…well he sounds a little schizo…

      Jan 20, 2011 at 10:45 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • ChicagoJimmy
      ChicagoJimmy

      Stupid bigotted fool. You have every right to shape the framework of your church and the bile you spew during your services. You have every right to only perform marriage ceremonies in your building for the folks you want to. You do not have the “right” to shape the ethics of our culture and society based on the particular religious belief system you choose to follow.

      Jan 20, 2011 at 10:57 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Jeff K.
      Jeff K.

      This brings up an interesting question: When are we justified in physically fighting back against the bigots and homophobes? Must we wait until they start shooting us first?

      Jan 20, 2011 at 11:03 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • justiceontherocks
      justiceontherocks

      “Reverend” Evans is head of the National Black Church Initiative. Among the programs of the NBCI is the “Civil Society Initiative.” Here’s how Rev> Evans describes that initiative:

      A civil society lifts everyone to the same level of humanity, and forces people to deal with each
      other’s humanity. Our ultimate goal is to erase human prejudice, discrimination, hatred and especially violence. This project compels the Black Church to go against the grain, and not be
      afraid to speak to the most powerful institution or individual. It will also require the Black Church to correct any level of ignorance and engage into conversation in order to transfer hate filled language into words of healing and dialog.

      He needs to make up his mind.

      Jan 20, 2011 at 11:14 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Today Screaming Queen Hates You All
      Today Screaming Queen Hates You All

      @Mr. Enemabag Jones:

      Everything you said is correct, and I totally agreed, until I the end where you referred to us a “minority”…..and now it’s awwwwwwwn!

      FUUUUUUUUUUUUCK YOU and the pile of progressive hypocrisy you rode in on, NO ONE IS A MINORITY! That’s a hurtful word used to label and marginalize small groups of people in a mean and hurtful way. It has nothing to do with equality.

      I am not a minority, nor do I need sympathy from racist bigots who’ve been conditioned to think that label requires them to behave differently towards the poor oppressed minorities. I want equality, not institutionalized sympathy from the sheeple.

      Fuck you and the word “minorities”, and double Fuck you’s to Rev. Hatemonger hiding behind his religion like all the other right wing fundie bigots and democratic kapos that think believing in some invisible friend in the sky entitles them to push their beliefs onto others.

      Jan 20, 2011 at 11:34 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • One of the CA 36,000
      One of the CA 36,000

      Doesn’t this douchenozzle understand that the CIVIL RIGHTS of LGBTQ US citizens, including the right to enter into CIVIL MARRIAGE with someone of the same sex, has absolutely NOTHING to do with the “religious ethics” of this country?

      Marriage is a CIVIL CONTRACT between two eligible, consenting adults. And it has been so for CENTURIES before organized religions intruded in the concept. The government has every right– and indeed has an obligation– to control the proper execution, participation and dissolution of contracts effected within its jurisdiction.

      Church people are evil idiots. Hey asshats! We’re not going to run into your precious store-front/warehouse “churches” and demand that you marry us. Are (gasp!) JEWS barging in and forcing you at gunpoint to perform a Jewish wedding ceremony?! And here’s a newsflash. It’s legal for ATHEISTS to get married in the US as well. It’s legal for CRIMINALS ON DEATH ROW to get married, despite their lack of ability to consummate the relationship (conjugal visits being prohibited to Death Row inmates in many states). It’s legal for THE INFERTILE to get married. It’s legal for PEOPLE WHO DON’T WANT TO HAVE CHILDREN to get married. Same-sex marriage does NOTHING to impact heterosexual marriages. HETEROSEXUAL ASSH@LES RUIN THEIR OWN HETEROSEXUAL MARRIAGES. Especially FUNDAMENTALIST CHRISTIAN HETEROSEXUAL ASSH@LES, who have the highest divorce rates in the nation.

      Jan 20, 2011 at 11:49 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Devon
      Devon

      Bring back the lions.

      Jan 20, 2011 at 11:58 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • kayla
      kayla

      @Today Screaming Queen Hates You All:
      Why the rage?? As a minority, I just don’t get your anger. The word simply denotes a demographical fact, whites make up a majority of the American population, while other ethnicities make up a minority of the population…and that is all….If you were a white person living in China or the Caribbean, you would be a minority…There really isn’t more to it than that…Or am I just completely daft?

      Jan 20, 2011 at 12:05 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • justiceontherocks
      justiceontherocks

      @kayla: Let’s just say you missed her/his point, which is a good one.

      Jan 20, 2011 at 12:08 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Campbell
      Campbell

      @kayla: Kayla – wouldn’t worry about nutty rants on a blog. This is perfect, I live in DC, was married first in CA when available and such a sweet taste of victory when religious bigots are legally shut down. He and his suburban minister buddy should worry more about solving problems within their own respective flocks and neighborhoods rather than taking on civil rights issues that do not concern them.

      Jan 20, 2011 at 12:44 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Idi Amin Dada
      Idi Amin Dada

      Doesn’t this douchenozzle understand that the CIVIL RIGHTS of LGBTQ US citizens, including the right to enter into CIVIL MARRIAGE with someone of the same sex, has absolutely NOTHING to do with the “religious ethics” of this country?

      No.

      Jan 20, 2011 at 12:59 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Mr. Enemabag Jones
      Mr. Enemabag Jones

      @Today Screaming Queen Hates You All:

      I think you’re in the minority with that opinion, Queen.

      Jan 20, 2011 at 1:06 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • randy
      randy

      @Mr. Enemabag Jones: Gurl, you on a roll.

      Jan 20, 2011 at 1:09 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • ChicagoJimmy
      ChicagoJimmy

      @Today Screaming Queen Hates You All: I had something similar pointed out to me by some fellow students when I was in college taking part in Student Government. I used the word “minorities” in a speech to the assembly and afterwards some of the students of color approached me to agree with my messge if not my particular word choice. The difference between my experience and your post has everything to do with how the message of inclusivity is presented.

      You just screamed “FUCK YOU” to an ally who would probably be open to your sentiment if you didn’t come off as such an asshole. Not everyone shares the same life experience, but progressively minded folk tend to be open to a little education and insight from others of differing backgrounds if the information is expressed with the purpose of comming together rather than as an attack.

      Good luck next time.

      Jan 20, 2011 at 2:32 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • GetBalance
      GetBalance

      “What SCOTUS has done is set up the greatest civil war between the church and the gay community”.

      FALSE FALSE FALSE

      What SCOTUS has done is set up a brick wall for the greatest aiding and abbeding felon in any civil war ever fought in the USA, The Christian Church of the United States of America.

      Jan 20, 2011 at 3:27 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Adam
      Adam

      @justiceontherocks: It’s amazing that with all the issues affecting the black community, the “Black Church” would be so focused on gay civil rights. Shouldn’t they be focusing on the many ills and inequalities in their own community? At a time when the black condition in America is still deteriorating with crime, poverty, access to education and employment, incarceration rates, etc., this fool needs to wage a war against another minority in the name of religion?

      This is stupid, plain and simple. STUPID.

      Jan 20, 2011 at 4:07 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • imarko
      imarko

      grow up

      Jan 20, 2011 at 4:13 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • justiceontherocks
      justiceontherocks

      @Adam: You are exactly right. And the hypocrisy of this man is even more disturbing than his skewed priorities.

      Jan 20, 2011 at 4:24 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • McMike
      McMike

      Give me a flying break. A civil war? Hmmm, it seems he’s too clueless to realize the LGBT community has the United States’ Constitution on it’s side.

      The irony, as people are pointing out, is just obnoxious since he’s bitching about the same constitutional aspect that gay him his equal rights. What would be more than classic, IMHO, is for SCOTUS to allow him his request and let everyone vote on everyone’s rights. I have a feeling the LGBT community would have theirs and the African American community would lose theirs.

      If it’s a war he wants, I’m all for it.

      Jan 20, 2011 at 10:28 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Ealan75
      Ealan75

      Civil war, huh? Well bring it!!!

      Jan 20, 2011 at 10:36 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • SteveC
      SteveC

      If it’s civil ware then I will be in the anti-catholic front.

      Jan 21, 2011 at 5:33 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Queer Supremacist
      Queer Supremacist

      A black Christian is like a Jew worshipping ancient Egyptian gods. Oh how I miss Jackie Wilson, Sammy Davis, Jr. and Nell Carter.

      @Jeff K.: This brings up an interesting question: When are we justified in physically fighting back against the bigots and homophobes? Must we wait until they start shooting us first?

      Answer: when is it ever NOT justified? Any more of this shit and I’m calling for the lynching of breeders who act uppity to their gay superiors. If gay is the new black, then str8 is the new whitey. And if str8 is the new whitey, then KILL WHITEY!

      Jan 21, 2011 at 10:04 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Francis
      Francis

      The fact these homophobes are so threatened by our mere existences means we have already won this entire situation. They want to continue to fight everything and anything that as much as affirms our existences in every day society, and more and more people are realizing they are nuts, especially people 32 and under, who have grown up around gay folk with no issue.

      The fact this black Christian man, which as has been said in itself is hilarious, and no, I’m not white, I’m mixed so…….yeah, Christianists used the Bible basically as a mind-controlling tool against black folk during the obviously tragic years upon years of anti-black discrimination, slavery etc. It’s truly fucking rich. Anyway, the fact he thinks he has any right to deny legal rights to legal citizens, the same way his people were denied legal rights as a black man, and thinking he has any right to supersede the government with his religious beliefs, which again, is the same thing that happened with his OWN people, is truly just ridiculous. The fact he cries about the Constitution and the courts doing their jobs, like they did in providing the required legal equality towards his own people, is just ridiculous. 100% ridiculous, nothing else.

      He wants a war, but he’s going to soon figure out that sane individuals tune freaks like him out. He can continue ranting and raving, while we continue gaining the equality we require.

      Jan 21, 2011 at 10:38 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • GetBalance
      GetBalance

      @ Queer Supremacist

      I appreciate your zeal but that would make me a black wbitey, cuz technically, I’m bi. But if you replace “str8″ with homophobe, it might fit better. And killing might be hmm, overkill. How bout cast a spell that puts holes in their rubbers that they all have only gay kids and their current closeted gay kids come out and give them heart attacks. Less libel. Much cleaner. :)

      Jan 21, 2011 at 12:24 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • GetBalance
      GetBalance

      @Francis

      I agree completely. If there was EVER a more perfect example of ‘calling the kettle black’, this is it.

      Jan 21, 2011 at 12:28 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • geoneotheo
      geoneotheo

      Fatal error in Rev. Evans’ logic…

      1. Christians did have a say in the religious framework – the constitution guarantees they can practice their religion freely. If Evans and his people do not want to marry gays, they do not have to. No one is forcing any religious group to marry gays.

      2. The constitution ALSO guarantees that any religions entity cannot force others to comply to a particular dogmatic framework – otherwise, the very freedom Evans and other Christians enjoy in our country is nullified.

      Jan 23, 2011 at 10:13 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Rev. Anthony Evans
      Rev. Anthony Evans

      National Black Church Initiative
      P.O. Box 65177
      Washington, DC 20035
      202-744-0184
      dcbci2002@yahoo.com
      http://www.naltblackchurch.com

      Contact:
      Rev. Anthony Evans202-744-0184

      February 1, 2011
      For Immediate Release

      The National Black Church Initiative
      Condemns David Kato’s Murderers

      Violence Against Homosexuals Is Morally Reprehensible
      Washington DC – The National Black Church Initiative, a coalition of 34,000 churches comprised of 15 denominations and 15.7 million African Americans, is deeply saddened by the murder of Ugandan gay rights activist David Kato. Kato’s picture was published by an anti-gay newspaper next to the words “Hang Them” and he was later bludgeoned to death. His murder serves as a somber reminder that the world remains a brutal battleground for those whose sexual orientation, race, religion, gender or other identifying characteristic isolates them from the majority.

      President of NBCI Rev. Anthony Evans has repeatedly spoken out against violence against homosexuals as peaceful human interactions are the cornerstone of the Christian faith. Rev. Evans says, “NBCI condemns the victimization of anyone based on their sexual orientation. The structure in Uganda that allows this violence to occur is evil – the black church stands arm-in-arm with the gay community to combat violence in the US and abroad.”

      NBCI is in the process of organizing a public condemnation of all violence perpetrated against an individual or group based solely on their sexual orientation. Our commitment to increase tolerance, eradicate violence, and promote equality remains strong and we pray for those who continue to be victims of hatred and brutality.

      About NBCI
      The National Black Church Initiative (NBCI) is a coalition of 34,000 African American and Latino churches working to eradicate racial disparities in healthcare, technology, education, housing, and the environment. NBCI’s mission is to provide critical wellness information to all of its members, congregants, churches and the public. The National Black Church Initiative’s purpose is to partner with major organizations and officials whose main mission is to reduce racial disparities in the variety of areas cited above. NBCI offers faith-based, out-of-the-box and cutting edge solutions to stubborn economic and social issues. NBCI’s programs are governed by credible statistical analysis, science based strategies and techniques, and methods that work. Visit our website at http://www.naltblackchurch.com.

      Feb 10, 2011 at 8:46 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • GetBalance
      GetBalance

      @GetBalance

      Of the comments you have made here, you have taken my handle name of which I have used for a long time. Please use another handle of your own design and drop using mine. I’m sure your quite capable of using your own original name you’ve most likely used before. Or shall we have queerty trace ip addresses.

      Feb 10, 2011 at 9:00 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Shannon1981
      Shannon1981

      You know, I am warming up to Queer Supremicist’s ideas. Reasoning with bigots doesn’t seem to be working. Hard to un- brainwash crazy people who do not wish to realize that the sky daddy and his rules don’t apply to everyone.

      Feb 10, 2011 at 9:05 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·

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