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		<title>By: AladinSane</title>
		<link>http://www.queerty.com/the-ape-issue-20080328/#comment-47764</link>
		<dc:creator>AladinSane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Apr 2008 05:18:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What I truly find odd, and maybe I&#039;m insensitive since I apply logic over emotion, is that there is any connection betweeen the two at all. We are a bilateral (a basic body plan in which the left and right sides of the organism can be divided into approximate mirror images of each other) species. HMMMM...that means that generaly speaking, if you want to photograph two people, one must be on the left and the other on the right. OMG, I get it...No wait, I don&#039;t. 

The only obvious connection I can make from the pictures is that there is a &quot;male&quot; on the left and a &quot;female&quot; on the right (and even that is a dubious conclusion since the ape has no obvious gender). How many ways can you pose two people? Oh wait, he&#039;s black and she&#039;s white (I think, though I&#039;ve never heard either self-identify). OMG maybe they&#039;re right, he has his arm around her and she&#039;s obviously happy (wait again, that means subjugation...cough cough). 

What I find more amazing is the inherent racism of finding similarities between the two. Homophobia is not the only thing that can be internalized. Is it possible that people can pose for a magazine and have it mean anything other than what it appears? Have the people in question been asked their views of the shoot? The truly bigoted presumption is that the people involved had no choice, and that they couldn&#039;t possibly think for themselves. 

Strangely (or not so much) I&#039;m reminded of a song by The Ark...

Are you tired of being an object
Or did you never get the chance
To be one,
And now you wanna make sure
ThereÂ´s no fun
YouÂ´ve been missing
Are you tired of being an object
Or are you just jealous
That you ainÂ´t one,
Now you realized that those objects
Do all the kissing

Well donÂ´t project you spleen
On the girl on the magazine
You never know,
Maybe sheÂ´s feeling quite comfortable
The only human right for which IÂ´m
Gonna fight
Is everybodyÂ´s right to sometimes feel
Irresistible

Uh-oh, maybe itÂ´s you who need
Confidence
Maybe itÂ´s you who need real freinds
Well she doesnÂ´t need your voice
`Cause sheÂ´s already got one

And though she doesnÂ´t push
With as much force
It can even be stronger than yours
When she uses it
In a sensi-sensi-sensual whisper

Well, donÂ´t project your bore
On the girl on the dance floor
She doesnÂ´t at all find
The menÂ´s looks abusive
She doesnÂ´t want your shield
Maybe sheÂ´s the one whoÂ´s free
Maybe sometimes getting fucked
Can be amusing</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What I truly find odd, and maybe I&#8217;m insensitive since I apply logic over emotion, is that there is any connection betweeen the two at all. We are a bilateral (a basic body plan in which the left and right sides of the organism can be divided into approximate mirror images of each other) species. HMMMM&#8230;that means that generaly speaking, if you want to photograph two people, one must be on the left and the other on the right. OMG, I get it&#8230;No wait, I don&#8217;t. </p>
<p>The only obvious connection I can make from the pictures is that there is a &#8220;male&#8221; on the left and a &#8220;female&#8221; on the right (and even that is a dubious conclusion since the ape has no obvious gender). How many ways can you pose two people? Oh wait, he&#8217;s black and she&#8217;s white (I think, though I&#8217;ve never heard either self-identify). OMG maybe they&#8217;re right, he has his arm around her and she&#8217;s obviously happy (wait again, that means subjugation&#8230;cough cough). </p>
<p>What I find more amazing is the inherent racism of finding similarities between the two. Homophobia is not the only thing that can be internalized. Is it possible that people can pose for a magazine and have it mean anything other than what it appears? Have the people in question been asked their views of the shoot? The truly bigoted presumption is that the people involved had no choice, and that they couldn&#8217;t possibly think for themselves. </p>
<p>Strangely (or not so much) I&#8217;m reminded of a song by The Ark&#8230;</p>
<p>Are you tired of being an object<br />
Or did you never get the chance<br />
To be one,<br />
And now you wanna make sure<br />
ThereÂ´s no fun<br />
YouÂ´ve been missing<br />
Are you tired of being an object<br />
Or are you just jealous<br />
That you ainÂ´t one,<br />
Now you realized that those objects<br />
Do all the kissing</p>
<p>Well donÂ´t project you spleen<br />
On the girl on the magazine<br />
You never know,<br />
Maybe sheÂ´s feeling quite comfortable<br />
The only human right for which IÂ´m<br />
Gonna fight<br />
Is everybodyÂ´s right to sometimes feel<br />
Irresistible</p>
<p>Uh-oh, maybe itÂ´s you who need<br />
Confidence<br />
Maybe itÂ´s you who need real freinds<br />
Well she doesnÂ´t need your voice<br />
`Cause sheÂ´s already got one</p>
<p>And though she doesnÂ´t push<br />
With as much force<br />
It can even be stronger than yours<br />
When she uses it<br />
In a sensi-sensi-sensual whisper</p>
<p>Well, donÂ´t project your bore<br />
On the girl on the dance floor<br />
She doesnÂ´t at all find<br />
The menÂ´s looks abusive<br />
She doesnÂ´t want your shield<br />
Maybe sheÂ´s the one whoÂ´s free<br />
Maybe sometimes getting fucked<br />
Can be amusing</p>
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		<title>By: M Shane</title>
		<link>http://www.queerty.com/the-ape-issue-20080328/#comment-47497</link>
		<dc:creator>M Shane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2008 20:46:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Afroguapo : I can assure you, as having worked and been trained in the print /design world that  the Art Director makes the &quot;creative decisions&quot; as to what and who will be photographed, with publications. If you are familiar wih Lebowitz&#039;s fine art work it hasn&#039;t the faintest similarity to her commercial work. Indeed she has always drawn an explicit line between the two. A bourgeise fashion rag would never ever print her creative work nor would she let them!  This is very typical of what they do; that it legally has racist associations would only be significant if James found the use offensive and he apparently can get a laugh at the association: You can be sure that James signed a well deliniated contract which precluded that possability  otherwise he could sue them. Vogues&#039; business is triteness, not art.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Afroguapo : I can assure you, as having worked and been trained in the print /design world that  the Art Director makes the &#8220;creative decisions&#8221; as to what and who will be photographed, with publications. If you are familiar wih Lebowitz&#8217;s fine art work it hasn&#8217;t the faintest similarity to her commercial work. Indeed she has always drawn an explicit line between the two. A bourgeise fashion rag would never ever print her creative work nor would she let them!  This is very typical of what they do; that it legally has racist associations would only be significant if James found the use offensive and he apparently can get a laugh at the association: You can be sure that James signed a well deliniated contract which precluded that possability  otherwise he could sue them. Vogues&#8217; business is triteness, not art.</p>
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		<title>By: Afroguapo</title>
		<link>http://www.queerty.com/the-ape-issue-20080328/#comment-47456</link>
		<dc:creator>Afroguapo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2008 15:56:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with you Mr C. I wasn&#039;t offended by the LeBron ad but just thought it was very unorginal, unimaginative and complete rehash. It was like workaholic Anna Wintour called Annie on a Sunday night in that clipped austere speech of hers and was like &quot;Annie! Anna here, just wanted to know where you were with ideas for the cover regarding the issue on shape/fitness. Meet me tomorrow at my office at 9 for a status update and remember I want BUZZ/PULSE. Ciao!&quot;  And Annie was like &quot;Jesus frickin Christ&quot; and managed to come up with this. +1&#039;s to Smackdown and Ben, respectively, as it&#039;s incontrovertible that the photo on left was either her inspiration -- even if vaguely (too many similarities) or perhaps it was internalized as Ben posited rather than actually copied.  I personally prefer new subsersive ads or fresh advertising that makes us INTERNALIZE new images and not reinscribe old ones.  As I said before, I liked the Vanity Fair piece with Naomi as Scarlett (who pulls the hauteur off fabulously when having her corset tied) and Gianfranco Ferrer as Mammy (non traditional casting) or the new D&amp;G watch ads where we&#039;re momentarily duped into thinking that it&#039;s a straight couple running late and meeting up for dinner when it&#039;s in fact two same sex couples meeting for a date and they kiss on arrival. This profession is about CREATIVITY ORIGINALITY after all. Annie, that being said, you deserve a C- for this.  Mr C, the ad you referred to was an INTEL ad.

http://technology.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/tech_and_web/article2192554.ece</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with you Mr C. I wasn&#8217;t offended by the LeBron ad but just thought it was very unorginal, unimaginative and complete rehash. It was like workaholic Anna Wintour called Annie on a Sunday night in that clipped austere speech of hers and was like &#8220;Annie! Anna here, just wanted to know where you were with ideas for the cover regarding the issue on shape/fitness. Meet me tomorrow at my office at 9 for a status update and remember I want BUZZ/PULSE. Ciao!&#8221;  And Annie was like &#8220;Jesus frickin Christ&#8221; and managed to come up with this. +1&#8242;s to Smackdown and Ben, respectively, as it&#8217;s incontrovertible that the photo on left was either her inspiration &#8212; even if vaguely (too many similarities) or perhaps it was internalized as Ben posited rather than actually copied.  I personally prefer new subsersive ads or fresh advertising that makes us INTERNALIZE new images and not reinscribe old ones.  As I said before, I liked the Vanity Fair piece with Naomi as Scarlett (who pulls the hauteur off fabulously when having her corset tied) and Gianfranco Ferrer as Mammy (non traditional casting) or the new D&amp;G watch ads where we&#8217;re momentarily duped into thinking that it&#8217;s a straight couple running late and meeting up for dinner when it&#8217;s in fact two same sex couples meeting for a date and they kiss on arrival. This profession is about CREATIVITY ORIGINALITY after all. Annie, that being said, you deserve a C- for this.  Mr C, the ad you referred to was an INTEL ad.</p>
<p><a href="http://technology.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/tech_and_web/article2192554.ece" rel="nofollow">http://technology.timesonline......192554.ece</a></p>
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		<title>By: Charley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2008 15:33:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I missed that cover of the white guy standing in front of dark beautiful bodies on their knees.
Racism or a fight about politics and Israel ? Certainly not, no one would stoop that low, especially the pro-Israel owner of Vogue, S.I. Newhouse and family.   It is only a fashion magazine.  Yeah, Right.
Not trying to stir up a Bensonhurst fight here, but Al Sharpton, Jerimiah Wright, Louis Farrakahn, are all anti-Israel and anti-semitic, but who listens to them ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I missed that cover of the white guy standing in front of dark beautiful bodies on their knees.<br />
Racism or a fight about politics and Israel ? Certainly not, no one would stoop that low, especially the pro-Israel owner of Vogue, S.I. Newhouse and family.   It is only a fashion magazine.  Yeah, Right.<br />
Not trying to stir up a Bensonhurst fight here, but Al Sharpton, Jerimiah Wright, Louis Farrakahn, are all anti-Israel and anti-semitic, but who listens to them ?</p>
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		<title>By: Mr C</title>
		<link>http://www.queerty.com/the-ape-issue-20080328/#comment-47417</link>
		<dc:creator>Mr C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2008 12:04:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Personally I really didn&#039;t get The King Kong controversy until it became an issue on all the blogs. 
As a confident Black Man. I am not offended for the simple fact if there is anyone on here who would refer to LeBron as a beast with the coins this brother has. I don&#039;t think he cares. His dream is being lived. LARGE

It was a simple photo shoot and as always controversy sells if this was the intention of VOGUE magazine. 
This is &quot;poppycock&quot; The ad that got me was last year when they had all of these track runners with dark, and beautiful bodies on their knees with a white guy standing in front of them like their master, or something. And I forgot what the ad was for. However, it didn&#039;t really connect with the advertising of the product.

Folks just take one and BREATHE!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Personally I really didn&#8217;t get The King Kong controversy until it became an issue on all the blogs.<br />
As a confident Black Man. I am not offended for the simple fact if there is anyone on here who would refer to LeBron as a beast with the coins this brother has. I don&#8217;t think he cares. His dream is being lived. LARGE</p>
<p>It was a simple photo shoot and as always controversy sells if this was the intention of VOGUE magazine.<br />
This is &#8220;poppycock&#8221; The ad that got me was last year when they had all of these track runners with dark, and beautiful bodies on their knees with a white guy standing in front of them like their master, or something. And I forgot what the ad was for. However, it didn&#8217;t really connect with the advertising of the product.</p>
<p>Folks just take one and BREATHE!</p>
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		<title>By: ben</title>
		<link>http://www.queerty.com/the-ape-issue-20080328/#comment-47404</link>
		<dc:creator>ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2008 03:47:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Any designer or visual artist who attended college for their training would have more than likely come across this image in any History of Modern Design class. Maybe the concept was internalized and not plagiarized?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Any designer or visual artist who attended college for their training would have more than likely come across this image in any History of Modern Design class. Maybe the concept was internalized and not plagiarized?</p>
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		<title>By: papergirl</title>
		<link>http://www.queerty.com/the-ape-issue-20080328/#comment-47394</link>
		<dc:creator>papergirl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2008 01:19:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It proves that black athletes get money and get a white blonde women !!</description>
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		<title>By: M Shane</title>
		<link>http://www.queerty.com/the-ape-issue-20080328/#comment-47377</link>
		<dc:creator>M Shane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2008 21:58:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hisurfer : I&#039;m not sure that a lot of people know the difference anymore between duifferent types of ape!
Charley:  While it&#039;s politically unfashionable to be bi-sexual now,  From what I know about sexuality,  in consistency with recent cognative theories, it has to do with a persons ability to frame(certain) people mentally as  objects of sexual diversion.  Someone like Sontag had a wonderfully diverse mind.  She&#039;s one great loss to our culture. Scares me that the great minds are all dying off in America, for lack of any educational system.
BTW, I&#039;ll look for that article. I saw an article in one of the periodicals  re; current Irish art: Some great stuff. I still recall an almost minimalist painting of a flax field in the near dark!.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hisurfer : I&#8217;m not sure that a lot of people know the difference anymore between duifferent types of ape!<br />
Charley:  While it&#8217;s politically unfashionable to be bi-sexual now,  From what I know about sexuality,  in consistency with recent cognative theories, it has to do with a persons ability to frame(certain) people mentally as  objects of sexual diversion.  Someone like Sontag had a wonderfully diverse mind.  She&#8217;s one great loss to our culture. Scares me that the great minds are all dying off in America, for lack of any educational system.<br />
BTW, I&#8217;ll look for that article. I saw an article in one of the periodicals  re; current Irish art: Some great stuff. I still recall an almost minimalist painting of a flax field in the near dark!.</p>
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		<title>By: Charley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2008 20:22:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sure, M. Shane.  The one and only time I was in Vogue, my article &quot;The Arts Grow In Ireland&quot; (July 1974), there was also an article about Susan Sontag in that issue.  I agree, she was bi-sexual.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sure, M. Shane.  The one and only time I was in Vogue, my article &#8220;The Arts Grow In Ireland&#8221; (July 1974), there was also an article about Susan Sontag in that issue.  I agree, she was bi-sexual.</p>
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		<title>By: JazzZ</title>
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		<dc:creator>JazzZ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2008 19:59:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If I was highsurfer and lost my editorial job, I&#039;d be bitter, too</description>
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		<title>By: M Shane</title>
		<link>http://www.queerty.com/the-ape-issue-20080328/#comment-47345</link>
		<dc:creator>M Shane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2008 17:11:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;It &#039;s a referrence to athletic agression, and physical size and shape&quot;  also, if you recall the story: ignorance and helpless entrapment, as in enslavement.  I don&#039;t know where Rorschach associations play in. 
Annie Leibowitz is a noted photographer (noted mainly for her fine art ) commercial photographers do what they are directed to photograph.
BTW. Charley, thanks for the article about Sontag: the fact there is that, because of the rampant aniti-intelectualism of modern (fascist)America, we hardly know what an intelectual of her abilities looks like. I have never had any questions about her sexuality--it is all implicit in what she wrote and I recall a Bi movie that she made. People nowdays, in the model of our president don&#039;t comprehend anything but the most boringly pedestrian statements: bad as  Nazi Germany. 
 Sontaq and Leibowitz never lived together. I believe that shre realy was Bi. Her immersion in camp very definitely defines her as more of a faghag than a dyke(who don&#039;t generally share that  humerous proclivity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;It &#8216;s a referrence to athletic agression, and physical size and shape&#8221;  also, if you recall the story: ignorance and helpless entrapment, as in enslavement.  I don&#8217;t know where Rorschach associations play in.<br />
Annie Leibowitz is a noted photographer (noted mainly for her fine art ) commercial photographers do what they are directed to photograph.<br />
BTW. Charley, thanks for the article about Sontag: the fact there is that, because of the rampant aniti-intelectualism of modern (fascist)America, we hardly know what an intelectual of her abilities looks like. I have never had any questions about her sexuality&#8211;it is all implicit in what she wrote and I recall a Bi movie that she made. People nowdays, in the model of our president don&#8217;t comprehend anything but the most boringly pedestrian statements: bad as  Nazi Germany.<br />
 Sontaq and Leibowitz never lived together. I believe that shre realy was Bi. Her immersion in camp very definitely defines her as more of a faghag than a dyke(who don&#8217;t generally share that  humerous proclivity.</p>
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		<title>By: sugarsmack</title>
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		<dc:creator>sugarsmack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2008 10:51:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have no doubt that Annie Leibowitz was inspired by the King Kong image on the left.  There are too many similarities from the bat being replaced by a basketball to the material and cool color of the dress.  But I don&#039;t see this as racist.  If the man on the Vogue cover was a black actor or musician without any particular reputation as being ferocious or aggressive, than the reference would be incongruent on the topic of character and would only leave the allusion to racial stereotype.  But this is a big, bad basketball player and I don&#039;t see how this cover is any different than nicknaming him King Kong on the court.  It&#039;s a reference to athletic aggression and physical size and shape.  If you&#039;re hung up on the ape reference, well that&#039;s your own Rorschach-like association.  And I&#039;m certain that Vogue was aware of this potential and saw the buzz that would ensue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have no doubt that Annie Leibowitz was inspired by the King Kong image on the left.  There are too many similarities from the bat being replaced by a basketball to the material and cool color of the dress.  But I don&#8217;t see this as racist.  If the man on the Vogue cover was a black actor or musician without any particular reputation as being ferocious or aggressive, than the reference would be incongruent on the topic of character and would only leave the allusion to racial stereotype.  But this is a big, bad basketball player and I don&#8217;t see how this cover is any different than nicknaming him King Kong on the court.  It&#8217;s a reference to athletic aggression and physical size and shape.  If you&#8217;re hung up on the ape reference, well that&#8217;s your own Rorschach-like association.  And I&#8217;m certain that Vogue was aware of this potential and saw the buzz that would ensue.</p>
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		<title>By: dr.resol</title>
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		<dc:creator>dr.resol</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2008 10:21:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would&#039;ve never made the connection had it not been pointed out. And what&#039;s with the club? Gorillas don&#039;t use clubs...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would&#8217;ve never made the connection had it not been pointed out. And what&#8217;s with the club? Gorillas don&#8217;t use clubs&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: geo</title>
		<link>http://www.queerty.com/the-ape-issue-20080328/#comment-47307</link>
		<dc:creator>geo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2008 08:47:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Are we just naive? Maybe.&quot;

&quot;We&quot; are very ignorant of history.   

It gets really tiresome how the gay communities complain of being treated like second-class citizens, while being so willfully indifferent towards racial injustice.

What Leibovitz has done is deliberate and inexcusable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Are we just naive? Maybe.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;We&#8221; are very ignorant of history.   </p>
<p>It gets really tiresome how the gay communities complain of being treated like second-class citizens, while being so willfully indifferent towards racial injustice.</p>
<p>What Leibovitz has done is deliberate and inexcusable.</p>
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		<title>By: hisurfer</title>
		<link>http://www.queerty.com/the-ape-issue-20080328/#comment-47305</link>
		<dc:creator>hisurfer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2008 07:19:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I understand that black Americans are going to be more sensitized to potentially racist imagery. And I&#039;m familiar with the &quot;sambo&quot; style imagery of the early century and the PT Barnum-style monkey images before that. 

But ... this doesn&#039;t even seem remotely related to those. That&#039;s where I get stuck. I cannot think of one negative image of black man that this refers to.   Point to one, I&#039;ll apologize.  And no monkeys or chimps, ok? The scientist in me wants King Kong, or a mountain or lowland gorilla. Orang-hutans don&#039;t count either. Until then, it&#039;s a tenuous thread.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I understand that black Americans are going to be more sensitized to potentially racist imagery. And I&#8217;m familiar with the &#8220;sambo&#8221; style imagery of the early century and the PT Barnum-style monkey images before that. </p>
<p>But &#8230; this doesn&#8217;t even seem remotely related to those. That&#8217;s where I get stuck. I cannot think of one negative image of black man that this refers to.   Point to one, I&#8217;ll apologize.  And no monkeys or chimps, ok? The scientist in me wants King Kong, or a mountain or lowland gorilla. Orang-hutans don&#8217;t count either. Until then, it&#8217;s a tenuous thread.</p>
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		<title>By: leomoore</title>
		<link>http://www.queerty.com/the-ape-issue-20080328/#comment-47301</link>
		<dc:creator>leomoore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2008 05:58:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It never would have occurred to me to associate the picture of Lebron James and what&#039;s-her-name with a recruiting poster from World War I with the Kaiser depicted as a raging gorilla.  First of all, the poster appeared when my grandparents were children and the only political picture they had in the house was a portrait of Franklin Roosevelt.  Second of all, if we pore through every image painted, sculpted, or photographed over the last 10 millenia, there are all sorts of images that can be interpreted as racist, sexist, xenophobic, or depicting someone else&#039;s religion as Satanic.  Frankly, it seems like such a tremendous waste of intellectual energy to look for insult where it is unlikely it was intended.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It never would have occurred to me to associate the picture of Lebron James and what&#8217;s-her-name with a recruiting poster from World War I with the Kaiser depicted as a raging gorilla.  First of all, the poster appeared when my grandparents were children and the only political picture they had in the house was a portrait of Franklin Roosevelt.  Second of all, if we pore through every image painted, sculpted, or photographed over the last 10 millenia, there are all sorts of images that can be interpreted as racist, sexist, xenophobic, or depicting someone else&#8217;s religion as Satanic.  Frankly, it seems like such a tremendous waste of intellectual energy to look for insult where it is unlikely it was intended.</p>
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		<title>By: Afroguapo</title>
		<link>http://www.queerty.com/the-ape-issue-20080328/#comment-47292</link>
		<dc:creator>Afroguapo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2008 02:38:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, we&#039;re getting all cathartic and TMI.  No, it suggests you have some type of post traumatic stress disorder.  We&#039;re all informed by our experiences to some degree.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, we&#8217;re getting all cathartic and TMI.  No, it suggests you have some type of post traumatic stress disorder.  We&#8217;re all informed by our experiences to some degree.</p>
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		<title>By: Charley</title>
		<link>http://www.queerty.com/the-ape-issue-20080328/#comment-47290</link>
		<dc:creator>Charley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2008 01:35:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Putting James in a Brooks Brothers suit may be the answer, but I don&#039;t think they make them that size.  For me, big dicks are great, but not big black ones due to being scared as a child by a  black pedophile in Virginia.  I guess that makes me racist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Putting James in a Brooks Brothers suit may be the answer, but I don&#8217;t think they make them that size.  For me, big dicks are great, but not big black ones due to being scared as a child by a  black pedophile in Virginia.  I guess that makes me racist.</p>
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		<title>By: Afroguapo</title>
		<link>http://www.queerty.com/the-ape-issue-20080328/#comment-47287</link>
		<dc:creator>Afroguapo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2008 01:11:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Or Hisurfer, it doesn&#039;t have to mean that LeBron doesn&#039;t have a brain or stupid, but rather that he doesn&#039;t mind being commodified as such.  And as far as manhunt, adam4adam, yes a lot of men want to be depicted as sexual dynamo studs in that arena to get horny bottoms to presumably put out.  This magazine however wasn&#039;t the exchange in cyberspace to lure someone into bed. Face it, some of us are sensitized to this because of history.  Remember the black Venus (a hottentot) who was literally on exhibit in a cage for whites to survey. Rather than belittling others people take on the image and assuming they&#039;re making much ado about nothing, look at it from their side as well. As I said, I wasn&#039;t offended by the image but I&#039;m not going to tell someone who is that they are flat out wrong and dismiss them. We all have different sensibilities.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Or Hisurfer, it doesn&#8217;t have to mean that LeBron doesn&#8217;t have a brain or stupid, but rather that he doesn&#8217;t mind being commodified as such.  And as far as manhunt, adam4adam, yes a lot of men want to be depicted as sexual dynamo studs in that arena to get horny bottoms to presumably put out.  This magazine however wasn&#8217;t the exchange in cyberspace to lure someone into bed. Face it, some of us are sensitized to this because of history.  Remember the black Venus (a hottentot) who was literally on exhibit in a cage for whites to survey. Rather than belittling others people take on the image and assuming they&#8217;re making much ado about nothing, look at it from their side as well. As I said, I wasn&#8217;t offended by the image but I&#8217;m not going to tell someone who is that they are flat out wrong and dismiss them. We all have different sensibilities.</p>
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		<title>By: Charley</title>
		<link>http://www.queerty.com/the-ape-issue-20080328/#comment-47286</link>
		<dc:creator>Charley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2008 01:11:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The picture is worth thousands of words.  Pamshouseblend and other black blogs  did not even run this topic.  Must not want a dialogue about race, in my conclusion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The picture is worth thousands of words.  Pamshouseblend and other black blogs  did not even run this topic.  Must not want a dialogue about race, in my conclusion.</p>
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		<title>By: hisurfer</title>
		<link>http://www.queerty.com/the-ape-issue-20080328/#comment-47285</link>
		<dc:creator>hisurfer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2008 01:00:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, afrolito, if &quot;anyone with a brain&quot; can see that it is racist ... then you are saying that LeBron doesn&#039;t have a brain. Which, to me, is more offensive than anything you might see in the photo.

Test: Go to Manhunt. Or Adam4Adam. Or Gaydar.  Search for variations on &quot; King Kong&quot; as a screen name.  A lot of people are using that image, worldwide, and of all races. You better let them know how offensive they&#039;re being. I don&#039;t think they know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, afrolito, if &#8220;anyone with a brain&#8221; can see that it is racist &#8230; then you are saying that LeBron doesn&#8217;t have a brain. Which, to me, is more offensive than anything you might see in the photo.</p>
<p>Test: Go to Manhunt. Or Adam4Adam. Or Gaydar.  Search for variations on &#8221; King Kong&#8221; as a screen name.  A lot of people are using that image, worldwide, and of all races. You better let them know how offensive they&#8217;re being. I don&#8217;t think they know.</p>
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		<title>By: Afroguapo</title>
		<link>http://www.queerty.com/the-ape-issue-20080328/#comment-47279</link>
		<dc:creator>Afroguapo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2008 00:41:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This cover is supposed to the lift the spirits of blacks and whites in America? How so?</description>
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		<title>By: Afroguapo</title>
		<link>http://www.queerty.com/the-ape-issue-20080328/#comment-47278</link>
		<dc:creator>Afroguapo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2008 00:40:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So what if Annie is a lesbian.  Gay men on here have demonstrated that their sexuality doesn&#039;t make them necessarily enlightened.  Yes, Charley, the photo was indeed camp and deliberately meant to be provacative and titillate because they elected to dispense with a more subdued cover. It&#039;s not artistry (as I said before, Annie wasn&#039;t being original or imaginative) but a marketing tool to sell magazines.  This was the other photograph that was a contender.  

http://jezebel.com/368655/is-vogues-lebron-kong-cover-offensive</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So what if Annie is a lesbian.  Gay men on here have demonstrated that their sexuality doesn&#8217;t make them necessarily enlightened.  Yes, Charley, the photo was indeed camp and deliberately meant to be provacative and titillate because they elected to dispense with a more subdued cover. It&#8217;s not artistry (as I said before, Annie wasn&#8217;t being original or imaginative) but a marketing tool to sell magazines.  This was the other photograph that was a contender.  </p>
<p><a href="http://jezebel.com/368655/is-vogues-lebron-kong-cover-offensive" rel="nofollow">http://jezebel.com/368655/is-v.....-offensive</a></p>
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		<title>By: Charley</title>
		<link>http://www.queerty.com/the-ape-issue-20080328/#comment-47277</link>
		<dc:creator>Charley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2008 00:30:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And lover to the late and great Susan Sontag.
They both are great and vibrating on a very high level of consciousness.       
  
Susan Sontag and a Case of Curious Silence
 
by Patrick Moore 
  
On Dec. 29, 2004, major gay and lesbian news organizations announced that &quot;lesbian writer Susan Sontag&quot; had died. In its obituary of Sontag, the New York Daily News wrote, &quot;Famed photographer Annie Leibovitz had been her longtime companion.&quot; 

On Dec. 29, 2004, the New York Times and the Los Angeles Times reported Sontag&#039;s death on their front pages, with more stories inside. Yet neither paper mentioned Sontag&#039;s relationships with Leibovitz and other women. 

It seems that editors at what are, arguably, the nation&#039;s most respected (and liberal) newspapers believe that one personal detail cannot be mentioned in even the most complete biographies--being a lesbian. 

In a 1995 New Yorker profile, Sontag outed herself as bisexual, familiar code for &quot;gay.&quot; Yet she remained quasi-closeted, speaking to interviewers in detail about her ex-husband without mentioning her long liaisons with some of America&#039;s most fascinating female artists. 

An unauthorized biography written by Carl Rollyson and Lisa Paddock and published by W.W. Norton in 2000, reports that Sontag was, for seven years, the companion of the great American playwright Maria Irene Fornes (in Sontag&#039;s introduction to the collected works of Fornes, she writes about them living together). She also had a relationship with the renowned choreographer Lucinda Childs. And, most recently, Sontag lived, on and off, with Leibovitz. 

Sontag&#039;s reticence is surely part of why the two Timeses neglected this part of her life. But she didn&#039;t deny these relationships. And given that obituaries typically cite their subjects&#039; important relationships, shouldn&#039;t the two best newspapers in the country have reported at least her most recent one, with Leibovitz, as well as her marriage, which ended in 1958? 

Some will ask why revealing Sontag&#039;s sexuality is relevant. As Charles McGrath wrote in his appreciation of Sontag in the New York Times, &quot;Part of her appeal was her own glamour--the black outfits, the sultry voice, the trademark white stripe parting her long dark hair.&quot; Sontag was well aware of herself as a sexual being and used her image to transform herself from just another intellectual into a cultural icon. She may well have felt that her true sexuality would limit her impact in the male-dominated intellectual elite, while an omnisexual charisma opened doors. 

More important, though, Sontag&#039;s lesbian relationships surely affected her work and our understanding of it. Two of Sontag&#039;s most famous essays dealt with issues associated with homosexuality: &quot;Notes on Camp&quot; and &quot;AIDS and Its Metaphors.&quot; 

The New York Times and the Los Angeles Times found ample room to discuss Sontag&#039;s cancer and subsequent mastectomy, which were not seen as lurid details but as necessary information in understanding the work of the author of &quot;Illness as Metaphor.&quot; The papers also included extensive discussions of Sontag&#039;s schooling, her early family life, how she met her ex-husband, even her thoughts on driving in Los Angeles. However, her relationships with women and how they shaped her thoughts on gay culture and the larger world of outsiders and outlaws (a Sontag fascination) were omitted. 

There is, of course, a larger issue here: Continued silence about lesbians in American culture amounts to bias. Gay men seem to have settled into the role of finger-snapping designer/decorator/entertainers in the mass media. Meanwhile, most lesbians who achieve widespread fame--Ellen DeGeneres, Melissa Etheridge and Rosie O&#039;Donnell--have to remain in the closet until they have gained enough power to weather the coming-out storm. This model victimizes those who are out and proud from the very beginning. 

The obituaries, remembrances and appreciations in New York and Los Angeles do anything but honor Sontag. They form a record that is, at best, incomplete and, at worst, knowingly false. But don&#039;t look for corrections, clarifications or apologies. 

The New York writer and activist Sarah Schulman has been, ironically, described as &quot;the lesbian Susan Sontag.&quot; Schulman told me recently that Sontag &quot;never applied her massive intellectual gifts toward understanding her own condition as a lesbian, because to do so publicly would have subjected her to marginalization and dismissal.&quot; 

Susan Sontag was a brilliant, provocative writer who had vital, loving relationships with some of the most fascinating and creative women of her day. I believe that her intellectual accomplishments are even more compelling when one understands how her sexuality informed them. 

Sontag was often quoted as saying, &quot;Be serious, be passionate, wake up!&quot; Let&#039;s hope that America&#039;s leading newspapers follow her advice. 

Patrick Moore is the author of &quot;Beyond Shame: Reclaiming the Abandoned History of Radical Gay Sexuality&quot; (Beacon Press, 2004). 

Â© 2005 Los Angeles Times

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And lover to the late and great Susan Sontag.<br />
They both are great and vibrating on a very high level of consciousness.       </p>
<p>Susan Sontag and a Case of Curious Silence</p>
<p>by Patrick Moore </p>
<p>On Dec. 29, 2004, major gay and lesbian news organizations announced that &#8220;lesbian writer Susan Sontag&#8221; had died. In its obituary of Sontag, the New York Daily News wrote, &#8220;Famed photographer Annie Leibovitz had been her longtime companion.&#8221; </p>
<p>On Dec. 29, 2004, the New York Times and the Los Angeles Times reported Sontag&#8217;s death on their front pages, with more stories inside. Yet neither paper mentioned Sontag&#8217;s relationships with Leibovitz and other women. </p>
<p>It seems that editors at what are, arguably, the nation&#8217;s most respected (and liberal) newspapers believe that one personal detail cannot be mentioned in even the most complete biographies&#8211;being a lesbian. </p>
<p>In a 1995 New Yorker profile, Sontag outed herself as bisexual, familiar code for &#8220;gay.&#8221; Yet she remained quasi-closeted, speaking to interviewers in detail about her ex-husband without mentioning her long liaisons with some of America&#8217;s most fascinating female artists. </p>
<p>An unauthorized biography written by Carl Rollyson and Lisa Paddock and published by W.W. Norton in 2000, reports that Sontag was, for seven years, the companion of the great American playwright Maria Irene Fornes (in Sontag&#8217;s introduction to the collected works of Fornes, she writes about them living together). She also had a relationship with the renowned choreographer Lucinda Childs. And, most recently, Sontag lived, on and off, with Leibovitz. </p>
<p>Sontag&#8217;s reticence is surely part of why the two Timeses neglected this part of her life. But she didn&#8217;t deny these relationships. And given that obituaries typically cite their subjects&#8217; important relationships, shouldn&#8217;t the two best newspapers in the country have reported at least her most recent one, with Leibovitz, as well as her marriage, which ended in 1958? </p>
<p>Some will ask why revealing Sontag&#8217;s sexuality is relevant. As Charles McGrath wrote in his appreciation of Sontag in the New York Times, &#8220;Part of her appeal was her own glamour&#8211;the black outfits, the sultry voice, the trademark white stripe parting her long dark hair.&#8221; Sontag was well aware of herself as a sexual being and used her image to transform herself from just another intellectual into a cultural icon. She may well have felt that her true sexuality would limit her impact in the male-dominated intellectual elite, while an omnisexual charisma opened doors. </p>
<p>More important, though, Sontag&#8217;s lesbian relationships surely affected her work and our understanding of it. Two of Sontag&#8217;s most famous essays dealt with issues associated with homosexuality: &#8220;Notes on Camp&#8221; and &#8220;AIDS and Its Metaphors.&#8221; </p>
<p>The New York Times and the Los Angeles Times found ample room to discuss Sontag&#8217;s cancer and subsequent mastectomy, which were not seen as lurid details but as necessary information in understanding the work of the author of &#8220;Illness as Metaphor.&#8221; The papers also included extensive discussions of Sontag&#8217;s schooling, her early family life, how she met her ex-husband, even her thoughts on driving in Los Angeles. However, her relationships with women and how they shaped her thoughts on gay culture and the larger world of outsiders and outlaws (a Sontag fascination) were omitted. </p>
<p>There is, of course, a larger issue here: Continued silence about lesbians in American culture amounts to bias. Gay men seem to have settled into the role of finger-snapping designer/decorator/entertainers in the mass media. Meanwhile, most lesbians who achieve widespread fame&#8211;Ellen DeGeneres, Melissa Etheridge and Rosie O&#8217;Donnell&#8211;have to remain in the closet until they have gained enough power to weather the coming-out storm. This model victimizes those who are out and proud from the very beginning. </p>
<p>The obituaries, remembrances and appreciations in New York and Los Angeles do anything but honor Sontag. They form a record that is, at best, incomplete and, at worst, knowingly false. But don&#8217;t look for corrections, clarifications or apologies. </p>
<p>The New York writer and activist Sarah Schulman has been, ironically, described as &#8220;the lesbian Susan Sontag.&#8221; Schulman told me recently that Sontag &#8220;never applied her massive intellectual gifts toward understanding her own condition as a lesbian, because to do so publicly would have subjected her to marginalization and dismissal.&#8221; </p>
<p>Susan Sontag was a brilliant, provocative writer who had vital, loving relationships with some of the most fascinating and creative women of her day. I believe that her intellectual accomplishments are even more compelling when one understands how her sexuality informed them. </p>
<p>Sontag was often quoted as saying, &#8220;Be serious, be passionate, wake up!&#8221; Let&#8217;s hope that America&#8217;s leading newspapers follow her advice. </p>
<p>Patrick Moore is the author of &#8220;Beyond Shame: Reclaiming the Abandoned History of Radical Gay Sexuality&#8221; (Beacon Press, 2004). </p>
<p>Â© 2005 Los Angeles Times</p>
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		<title>By: Charley</title>
		<link>http://www.queerty.com/the-ape-issue-20080328/#comment-47276</link>
		<dc:creator>Charley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2008 00:13:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>footnote:  an extremely talented lesbian photographer.</description>
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		<title>By: afrolito</title>
		<link>http://www.queerty.com/the-ape-issue-20080328/#comment-47275</link>
		<dc:creator>afrolito</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2008 00:11:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hisurfer: You are full of shit. Cord Jefferson (and anyone else with a brain and a pair of eyes) does not have to project anything onto that image, since it clearly has a racial subtext.

M Shane: You are a fucking idiot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hisurfer: You are full of shit. Cord Jefferson (and anyone else with a brain and a pair of eyes) does not have to project anything onto that image, since it clearly has a racial subtext.</p>
<p>M Shane: You are a fucking idiot.</p>
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		<title>By: Charley</title>
		<link>http://www.queerty.com/the-ape-issue-20080328/#comment-47274</link>
		<dc:creator>Charley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2008 00:11:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anyway, I think the cover is genuine camp and a classic.  If Annie Liebowitz still has the copyright, she should market it as a poster.  It would outsell the number one poster, Farrah Fawcett, 10 to 1.  It is this kind of in your face stuff that lifts the spirits of both black and whites in America.  It is interracial, and both are being who they are, she a beautiful model, and he a macho black athlete.  They may have been guided into those poses by the photographer, a lesbian BTW, but so what.  Ellen would do the same for a laugh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anyway, I think the cover is genuine camp and a classic.  If Annie Liebowitz still has the copyright, she should market it as a poster.  It would outsell the number one poster, Farrah Fawcett, 10 to 1.  It is this kind of in your face stuff that lifts the spirits of both black and whites in America.  It is interracial, and both are being who they are, she a beautiful model, and he a macho black athlete.  They may have been guided into those poses by the photographer, a lesbian BTW, but so what.  Ellen would do the same for a laugh.</p>
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		<title>By: Afroguapo</title>
		<link>http://www.queerty.com/the-ape-issue-20080328/#comment-47268</link>
		<dc:creator>Afroguapo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Mar 2008 22:34:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>okay, time to go back to Jezebel or Gawker where there&#039;s at least a modicum of common sense and perspective.  Blacks are not a monolithic group anymore than whites or homosexuals.  Some of you on here presumed I was for Barack simply because we have African ancestry. I was actually for Kucinich because I liked his stance on a variety of issues and he didn&#039;t resort to the same political gamesmanship as the other candidates have (which unfortunately seems to be necessary to succeed in the mainstream).  My brother-in-law, who is also black, will likely vote for McCain because he&#039;s a big game hunter, an army brat, fervent believer in religion and he makes a considerable salary.  I will never like Condi and could care less that she and I are of African descent.  Clarence Thomas is black, as is Alan Keyes.  I have NOTHING in common with them and find their views repugnant. M Shane do you just say stuff to be incendiary (&quot;who they hate as much as fags&quot;) and Charley, you are notorious for painting with the broad brush, please save that for the canvas.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>okay, time to go back to Jezebel or Gawker where there&#8217;s at least a modicum of common sense and perspective.  Blacks are not a monolithic group anymore than whites or homosexuals.  Some of you on here presumed I was for Barack simply because we have African ancestry. I was actually for Kucinich because I liked his stance on a variety of issues and he didn&#8217;t resort to the same political gamesmanship as the other candidates have (which unfortunately seems to be necessary to succeed in the mainstream).  My brother-in-law, who is also black, will likely vote for McCain because he&#8217;s a big game hunter, an army brat, fervent believer in religion and he makes a considerable salary.  I will never like Condi and could care less that she and I are of African descent.  Clarence Thomas is black, as is Alan Keyes.  I have NOTHING in common with them and find their views repugnant. M Shane do you just say stuff to be incendiary (&#8220;who they hate as much as fags&#8221;) and Charley, you are notorious for painting with the broad brush, please save that for the canvas.</p>
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		<title>By: M Shane</title>
		<link>http://www.queerty.com/the-ape-issue-20080328/#comment-47263</link>
		<dc:creator>M Shane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Mar 2008 21:34:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hisurfer: sort of a point! Whart if it was Rush Limbaugh instead of James (sexy? )
Charley: Where I live there are more mixed race couples than anywhere. Fat scandinavian girls and black guys (don&#039;t have to be athletes)
Blacks, to my knowledge have been anti-Obama and in favor of Bush because of the fascist religious take and because Condi has always been the  #1 black bitch on the planet.. Most Afo Americans will probably vote republican because they see Obama as an African Black who they dislike almost as much as fags.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hisurfer: sort of a point! Whart if it was Rush Limbaugh instead of James (sexy? )<br />
Charley: Where I live there are more mixed race couples than anywhere. Fat scandinavian girls and black guys (don&#8217;t have to be athletes)<br />
Blacks, to my knowledge have been anti-Obama and in favor of Bush because of the fascist religious take and because Condi has always been the  #1 black bitch on the planet.. Most Afo Americans will probably vote republican because they see Obama as an African Black who they dislike almost as much as fags.</p>
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		<title>By: Starsailor_X</title>
		<link>http://www.queerty.com/the-ape-issue-20080328/#comment-47261</link>
		<dc:creator>Starsailor_X</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Mar 2008 21:02:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay, enough of this tired pre-fab discussion.  Now let&#039;s talk about the S &amp; M sexual imagery of the Crucifixion--the ultimate bondage and discipline image, a near naked superhero impaled and helpless and vulnerable on a cross.  Break out the baby oil and discuss amongst yourselves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay, enough of this tired pre-fab discussion.  Now let&#8217;s talk about the S &amp; M sexual imagery of the Crucifixion&#8211;the ultimate bondage and discipline image, a near naked superhero impaled and helpless and vulnerable on a cross.  Break out the baby oil and discuss amongst yourselves.</p>
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		<title>By: hisurfer</title>
		<link>http://www.queerty.com/the-ape-issue-20080328/#comment-47254</link>
		<dc:creator>hisurfer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Mar 2008 19:22:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Itâ€™s highly doutful that a big white guy would work at all to the same effect because of the historical origins.&quot;  Ah, Shane. Your argument is totally negated by the picture on the left - which is of a big white guy gorilla. 

 
This doesn&#039;t even come from the same *place* as the historical racist images where black men were made to look like monkeys (not, I should add, like King Kong).  Those other images emphasized stupidity &amp; ignorance (i.e., equating black men with dumb monkeys).  This image is all about sex and power. And sex (stops to wipe his brow). There&#039;s a whole lot of sex in that picture (catch me if I swoon).

I don&#039;t see violence. I don&#039;t see ignorance. I don&#039;t see &quot;let&#039;s make LeBron look subhuman.&quot; 

I definitely think that some are projecting their own internalized racism onto the photo. Like Cord Jefferson.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Itâ€™s highly doutful that a big white guy would work at all to the same effect because of the historical origins.&#8221;  Ah, Shane. Your argument is totally negated by the picture on the left &#8211; which is of a big white guy gorilla. </p>
<p>This doesn&#8217;t even come from the same *place* as the historical racist images where black men were made to look like monkeys (not, I should add, like King Kong).  Those other images emphasized stupidity &amp; ignorance (i.e., equating black men with dumb monkeys).  This image is all about sex and power. And sex (stops to wipe his brow). There&#8217;s a whole lot of sex in that picture (catch me if I swoon).</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t see violence. I don&#8217;t see ignorance. I don&#8217;t see &#8220;let&#8217;s make LeBron look subhuman.&#8221; </p>
<p>I definitely think that some are projecting their own internalized racism onto the photo. Like Cord Jefferson.</p>
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		<title>By: Charley</title>
		<link>http://www.queerty.com/the-ape-issue-20080328/#comment-47245</link>
		<dc:creator>Charley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Mar 2008 17:18:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Are the atheletes racists because of white girlfriends ?  The hypersensitivity about race has reached gigantic proportions, due to the election.  We need to chill out.  I am not sure dialogue solves the problem.  Over at another blog run by a black lesbian, she has tried to bridge the gap.  But she is on the defensive because of her race, and whites are referred to as whitey.  Her dialogue and the black bloggers there are bias, pointing the finger.  They don&#039;t seem to get Obama&#039;s message.  They were all against Condolezza Rice, but now that she has spoken out on the race issue, they are all for her.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are the atheletes racists because of white girlfriends ?  The hypersensitivity about race has reached gigantic proportions, due to the election.  We need to chill out.  I am not sure dialogue solves the problem.  Over at another blog run by a black lesbian, she has tried to bridge the gap.  But she is on the defensive because of her race, and whites are referred to as whitey.  Her dialogue and the black bloggers there are bias, pointing the finger.  They don&#8217;t seem to get Obama&#8217;s message.  They were all against Condolezza Rice, but now that she has spoken out on the race issue, they are all for her.</p>
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		<title>By: Charley</title>
		<link>http://www.queerty.com/the-ape-issue-20080328/#comment-47244</link>
		<dc:creator>Charley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Mar 2008 17:05:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is another factor that ties into this cover.  Real life.  Some of the top European fashion models today have rich black athlete American boyfriends.  They are blonde trophies to the black atheletes.  It seems to be a trend, like O.J.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is another factor that ties into this cover.  Real life.  Some of the top European fashion models today have rich black athlete American boyfriends.  They are blonde trophies to the black atheletes.  It seems to be a trend, like O.J.</p>
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		<title>By: Afroguapo</title>
		<link>http://www.queerty.com/the-ape-issue-20080328/#comment-47241</link>
		<dc:creator>Afroguapo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Mar 2008 16:26:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some perspective that some of you may or may not appreciate.

http://www.slate.com/id/2186553</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some perspective that some of you may or may not appreciate.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.slate.com/id/2186553" rel="nofollow">http://www.slate.com/id/2186553</a></p>
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		<title>By: Your Brown Shirt Is So Sexy</title>
		<link>http://www.queerty.com/the-ape-issue-20080328/#comment-47238</link>
		<dc:creator>Your Brown Shirt Is So Sexy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Mar 2008 16:11:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Poor, LeBron James.  I guess he&#039;s just another ignorant, low IQ athlete who&#039;s just too stupid and uneducated to have realized what a mess he was getting into when those white devils at Vogue told him to pose like one of the most powerful, sympathetic, romantic, iconic cinematic characters in history only with a twist -- this time Kong&#039;s object of desire (King Kong was a love story, after all) was all too willing to be held in his arms.  Someone better be named his guardian with power of attorney because he obviously doesn&#039;t have a mind powerful enough to assess a situation and make the right decision on his own. Someone get him a sippy cup, STAT!

And, by the way, exactly how are we jumping to the conclusion that King Kong was supposed to be a black man anyway.  Let&#039;s see . . . 1933 . . . America . . . KKK more popular than Neo Conservatism was in 1996 . . . bigger than life, powerful, black man as ape metaphor makes off with hot blond white woman in the first half hour of movie . . . forget New York, ape metaphor must die immediately . . . movie is over before the intermission.  

I think if Kong represents anything, it is Jung&#039;s wild man archetype of the deeply masculine aspects of our nature:  Big, hairy, and naked, the Wild Man is totally liberated from the trappings of modern civilization, he still possesses almost magical powers over the forces of nature and his animal brethren.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Poor, LeBron James.  I guess he&#8217;s just another ignorant, low IQ athlete who&#8217;s just too stupid and uneducated to have realized what a mess he was getting into when those white devils at Vogue told him to pose like one of the most powerful, sympathetic, romantic, iconic cinematic characters in history only with a twist &#8212; this time Kong&#8217;s object of desire (King Kong was a love story, after all) was all too willing to be held in his arms.  Someone better be named his guardian with power of attorney because he obviously doesn&#8217;t have a mind powerful enough to assess a situation and make the right decision on his own. Someone get him a sippy cup, STAT!</p>
<p>And, by the way, exactly how are we jumping to the conclusion that King Kong was supposed to be a black man anyway.  Let&#8217;s see . . . 1933 . . . America . . . KKK more popular than Neo Conservatism was in 1996 . . . bigger than life, powerful, black man as ape metaphor makes off with hot blond white woman in the first half hour of movie . . . forget New York, ape metaphor must die immediately . . . movie is over before the intermission.  </p>
<p>I think if Kong represents anything, it is Jung&#8217;s wild man archetype of the deeply masculine aspects of our nature:  Big, hairy, and naked, the Wild Man is totally liberated from the trappings of modern civilization, he still possesses almost magical powers over the forces of nature and his animal brethren.</p>
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		<title>By: Afroguapo</title>
		<link>http://www.queerty.com/the-ape-issue-20080328/#comment-47237</link>
		<dc:creator>Afroguapo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Mar 2008 16:07:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tommy, I don&#039;t know Afrolito but I can only surmise that he&#039;s put off by the &quot;imbalance&quot; on this site where there&#039;s a predominant thread of non-black gay men saying obnoxious or clearly wrong things.  One can be quick to temper if you consistenly read the same comments over and over again which seem more like knee jerk responses without much thought backing it up.  And yes, I know the quick retort from some can be &quot;well, if you don&#039;t like it, go to some gay black web site and STFU&quot;  I get my news from a variety of outlets.  I liked this site for more pop culture stuff, not the heavy stuff which has proven to be contentious.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tommy, I don&#8217;t know Afrolito but I can only surmise that he&#8217;s put off by the &#8220;imbalance&#8221; on this site where there&#8217;s a predominant thread of non-black gay men saying obnoxious or clearly wrong things.  One can be quick to temper if you consistenly read the same comments over and over again which seem more like knee jerk responses without much thought backing it up.  And yes, I know the quick retort from some can be &#8220;well, if you don&#8217;t like it, go to some gay black web site and STFU&#8221;  I get my news from a variety of outlets.  I liked this site for more pop culture stuff, not the heavy stuff which has proven to be contentious.</p>
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		<title>By: tommy</title>
		<link>http://www.queerty.com/the-ape-issue-20080328/#comment-47226</link>
		<dc:creator>tommy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Mar 2008 12:42:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Afrolito - Itâ€™s clearly racist imagery, but iâ€™m not surprised a bunch of white fags....


Ain&#039;t that the pot calling the kettle black. If supposed  racist imagery or words hurts your delicate little sensibiliyies than maybe you should practice as what preach.
Oh wait by sayinf preach, am i implying that you&#039;re southern Baptist which inturn maybe black?
I&#039;m sorry I didn&#039;;t mean to us such words, How dare I!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Afrolito &#8211; Itâ€™s clearly racist imagery, but iâ€™m not surprised a bunch of white fags&#8230;.</p>
<p>Ain&#8217;t that the pot calling the kettle black. If supposed  racist imagery or words hurts your delicate little sensibiliyies than maybe you should practice as what preach.<br />
Oh wait by sayinf preach, am i implying that you&#8217;re southern Baptist which inturn maybe black?<br />
I&#8217;m sorry I didn&#8217;;t mean to us such words, How dare I!</p>
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		<title>By: rococo</title>
		<link>http://www.queerty.com/the-ape-issue-20080328/#comment-47220</link>
		<dc:creator>rococo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Mar 2008 10:39:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think these discussions here are great, but maybe there is no answer, maybe just many....maybe, yawn, summrboy is an idiot because he doesn&#039;t realize that the Sudan has tons of oil but that China is the primary importer of Sudanese oil and maybe he isn&#039;t.  Obviously, M Shane is right that there are racist implications...Maybe john, hisurfer, and Ralph are correct that the add was for an anti-german ww1 campaign...does that make M Shane wrong, or just an idiot for not adding that into his commentary. i don&#039;t know.  It would make him wrong that the image invokes King Kong, though.  um, unless...Obviously if the image does predate King Kong, then the image must have influenced King Kong itself....more to the ponit, perhaps the designers of the original poster were playing on the inherent racism of the times, eg scary germans = scary black man.   can all of this be true without Vouge having malicious intent.  Spirited discussion make for such interesting reading when i&#039;m up at 6am on a sunday, so keep it up yall, this shit is fresh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think these discussions here are great, but maybe there is no answer, maybe just many&#8230;.maybe, yawn, summrboy is an idiot because he doesn&#8217;t realize that the Sudan has tons of oil but that China is the primary importer of Sudanese oil and maybe he isn&#8217;t.  Obviously, M Shane is right that there are racist implications&#8230;Maybe john, hisurfer, and Ralph are correct that the add was for an anti-german ww1 campaign&#8230;does that make M Shane wrong, or just an idiot for not adding that into his commentary. i don&#8217;t know.  It would make him wrong that the image invokes King Kong, though.  um, unless&#8230;Obviously if the image does predate King Kong, then the image must have influenced King Kong itself&#8230;.more to the ponit, perhaps the designers of the original poster were playing on the inherent racism of the times, eg scary germans = scary black man.   can all of this be true without Vouge having malicious intent.  Spirited discussion make for such interesting reading when i&#8217;m up at 6am on a sunday, so keep it up yall, this shit is fresh.</p>
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		<title>By: Afroguapo</title>
		<link>http://www.queerty.com/the-ape-issue-20080328/#comment-47198</link>
		<dc:creator>Afroguapo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Mar 2008 22:30:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Summrboy, indeed that was the very premise of the God Damn America speech.  Our hypocrisy as to what we will and will not interject ourselves into. Operation Iraqi Freedom my ass?  Lies.  As I said previously, I wasn&#039;t offended by the cover (but can see why some might be).  It&#039;s obvious Annie is running out of creative impulses and she ended up doing something very unoriginal and unimaginative and more or less regurgitated black iconography we&#039;ve seen before.  Next she&#039;ll have Jennifer Hudson in a banana skirt reinvoking Josephine Baker.  Put as Afrolito said, I&#039;m sorry, but a lot of you come off as a bunch of bigoted (or clueless) queens.  Hope the Black Party was fun and that you played safe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Summrboy, indeed that was the very premise of the God Damn America speech.  Our hypocrisy as to what we will and will not interject ourselves into. Operation Iraqi Freedom my ass?  Lies.  As I said previously, I wasn&#8217;t offended by the cover (but can see why some might be).  It&#8217;s obvious Annie is running out of creative impulses and she ended up doing something very unoriginal and unimaginative and more or less regurgitated black iconography we&#8217;ve seen before.  Next she&#8217;ll have Jennifer Hudson in a banana skirt reinvoking Josephine Baker.  Put as Afrolito said, I&#8217;m sorry, but a lot of you come off as a bunch of bigoted (or clueless) queens.  Hope the Black Party was fun and that you played safe.</p>
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		<title>By: Summrboy</title>
		<link>http://www.queerty.com/the-ape-issue-20080328/#comment-47194</link>
		<dc:creator>Summrboy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Mar 2008 22:05:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yawn.  Want me to tell you what&#039;s racist?  Not caring about the genocide in Darfur because they have brown skin and no oil.  Save your faux outrage for something with some substance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yawn.  Want me to tell you what&#8217;s racist?  Not caring about the genocide in Darfur because they have brown skin and no oil.  Save your faux outrage for something with some substance.</p>
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