Marriage battles are not our priority and they are difficult to win. In Kalamazoo, where the question was about discrimination in housing and employment we won hands down, 35% bigot and 65% anti bigot.

And he’s right that No on 8 and EQCA ignored minority communities in California including African Americans, Latinas and Latinos, Asians, Pacific Islanders and immigrants. That was clumsy and racist at best and just plain suicidal in a state where ‘minorities’ are the majority.

I think what’s missing from Mark Segals analysis is that for the most part the battles over marriage have not been fights we sought. Right centrists and cultists, first organized by Rove and Bush and now by Obama, Dubois and Kaine have gone after us using SSM as a wedge to help themselves get elected. That is precisely what Obama did when he trumpeted “gawd’s in the mix.”

My opinion is that when LGBT folks who are married or want to get married come under attack by the right we have to go all out to defend them. And that’s in spite of the fact that I think that marriage as a way of partnering is a crock and that all partners and single people should have all the rights and tax breaks that married people have.

At the same time I think we need to fight for a 50 state law to end discrimination in housing employment and access to services that makes it easy to sure for compensation and applies harsh fines and jail time for bigots. ENDA, even if it’s inclusive is just the beginning of that fight.

And a liar. Unions are for GLBT rights on the job. Its management and business owners that want to preserve their ‘right’ to discriminate in hiring, firing and wages, which is why they bankrolled the opposition to ENDA.

And an idiot. The Pearl Harbor example shows that societies run by the looter rich can’t be reformed or fixed without war and the growth of a military industrial complex. In the current crisis US foreign policy is determined by a hugely bloated military industrial complex so that solution is not available.

And an islamophobe, aka a racist. In spite of his bloodthirsty pathology the solution for Palestine is the creation of a democratic, socialist, multiethnic state. To make that easier we should support the immediate and total withdrawal of all US forces, mercenaries and spy agencies from the region from Palestine to Pakistan and an end to supplying arms to the ‘brave’ zionists so they can engage in ethnic cleansing as they and their mercenaries did at Deir Yassin, and organized at Shatila and Gaza.

We should support the trade boycott against the apartheid zionist regime called for by the English equivalent of the AFL-CIO, the TUC.
Hugh Lanning, chairman of the Palestine Solidarity Campaign, described the TUC move as a “landmark” decision which followed a wave of motions passed at individual union conferences this year because of “outrage” at Israel’s “brutal war” on Gaza…

In the most controversial motion to be debated at the four-day conference in Liverpool, Barber told delegates: “We believe that targeted action – aimed at goods from the illegal settlements and at companies involved in the occupation and the wall – is the right way forward.”

http://www.guardian.co.uk/poli.....rael-goods

And where should those priorities be. How bout non-discrimination where we do have a plan and which affects more LGBT people then marriage, DODT combined. And better yet we’ve had incredible victories in this area. we know how to do it!

Now, if you wish to make marriage an issue, and some rightfully feel strongly about this. Plan it right. First stop attacking the religious right during the campaign. All that does is make them stronger and get out their base. Best way to deal with that issue is to have a DIPLOMATIC piece that explains that marriage does not change anything with the beliefs or activities of any religion. Example. A catholic church will not allow a catholic wedding to a jew in a church. Similarly the Church would not have to marry gays even if the bill passed. BE CLEAR ABOUT THAT. Don’t assume that our natural allies are with us on this issue. Again outreach. In California the Black religious community was taken for granted and we lost that block. An outreach coming from Black LGBT community leaders and black elected officials could have changed the outcome.

Last of all our issues, marriage has the lowest numbers in every public opinion poll nationally. Some state where it has been an issue we fare better. But it is still the issue where we have little support, and spend our efforts, resources, and time and close our eyes to other successes. Example Tuesday’s election. While we lost Maine we had more victories in more categories nationwide then ever before in history.

Mark Segal

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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26.....5#32666355

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If Stevens leaves and Ginsburg leaves very soon, and a furious gay community abandons Dems for green party, we are risking having GOP pick the next justices for us.

They keep the hate laws on the books because they want us around for just one more election cycle. But change never comes because gays never change. They give Obama multiple standing ovations, like the wife with a black eye who thinks if the house were clean enough, the abuse will stop. But it never does because she does not have the courage to walk out on him.

All the brainwashed gays “leaders” know how to do is threaten the gay population. WORK HARDER! WRITE YOUR CONGRESSMEN! VOTE DEMOCRATIC OR ELSE! That’s all that happens in this sick scheme. Gays have to stop working to support the democratic party. They have created abuse dependency syndrome on the gays. Time to break they cycle.

Its back to children crying “Mommy fix it”

Dolores Claiborne (love her)
Rocky Coasts
Winslow Homer

and now,

Crypto Nazis masquerading as Democrats.

Where is the love for the Homo these days in politics?

“December 7th, 1941, 0700 hours – Pearl Harbor, Hawaii – the Depression ends. The truth is that all FDR’s programs did nothing to end the Depression. They were band aids at best. Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto ended it.”

You just torpedoed your own case for eat-the-rich socialism, Bile.

And fuck the greedy labor unions. Labor is ground zero for homophobia. My friend used to be a projectionist in a movie theater, and the reason they stopped using union projectionists: union greed. They wanted more than what their job was worth, so the owners of movie theaters, who were already taking it up the ass from distributors, told them to take a hike.

And how fucking dare you support anti-gay Islamic nations and the wannabe KKK non-state of “Palestine”. If you want to stop the influence of the religious cults, then this is the one cult you should be trying to stop. They kill gays faster than you can say Jack Robinson. For that alone, I say we treat them just like we treated Germany and Japan: with bombs. End terror states that ban homosexuality. A pro-Islamist gay like you is the real Jew for Hitler.

What does someone have to do to get banned here? Anti-gay astroturfing: allowed. Stalinist and pro-terrorist propaganda: allowed. God how I miss the flag button.

Emmanuel and Obama are both lap dogs of the rich. Emmanuel’s a yapping biter and Obama is a cool, collected Pekinese.

Re: Obama, and Dems: Just Bush with a nice tan……

Excellent analogy. It’s a protection racket.

Check out the new guys at http://www.kclabor.org/ or http://labornotes.org

Democrats have never been part of the left. Your rightiwng buddies, Republican or not, and the Democrats have always had similar views about us. They oppose our agenda. They cater to the religious right, especially Obama. They oppose any measures to stifle the open and dangerous bigotry of the cults. Their differences are cosmetic.

The want to retain Clintons DADT and DOMA, continue the war from Palestine to Pakistan to steal oil and give the rich whatever they want.

We have to abandon both parties and build a leftwing party based on the trade unions.

Republicans are Democrats in drag.

Supporting either of the two right centrist parties is idiocy.

Take a look at the rise and fall of unemployment percentages and the GDP during the Great Depression to get a feel for where we are. Those are the key statistics for deciding whether or not this recession is a depression. 17.5% percent unemployment is well with the statistical range of the Great Depression.

In late 1929 the first bank panic begins the Depression. Unemployment is at 3.7 percent.

In 1930, the first year of the Depression unemployment jumped from 3.2 to 8.7 percent.

In 1931 unemployment rises to 15.9 percent.

In 1932 over 13 million Americans have lost their jobs since 1929 and unemployment is 23.6 percent.

In 1933 unemployment rises a little, to 24.9 percent, nears it’s highest level.

In 1934 unemployment drops a little to 21.7 percent. Sweden uses deficit spending on social programs to end their depression.

In 1935 the Democrats fund huge public works projects like the Works Progress Administration, and the Rural Electrification Administration and unemployment dips to 20.1 percent.

In 1936 unemployment falls to 16.9 percent. German depression ends as Hitler rearms.

In 1937 the GNP rises 5.0 percent, and unemployment falls to 14.3 percent, it’s lowest level during the depression.

In 1938 the depression deepens in spite of the WPA and REA – the GNP falls 4.5 percent, and unemployment rises to 19.0 percent. As England rearms their depression ends.

In 1939 the GNP rises 7.9 percent and unemployment falls to 17.2 percent. The US depression begins to end because of war spending. Hitler invades Poland.

December 7th, 1941, 0700 hours – Pearl Harbor, Hawaii – the Depression ends. The truth is that all FDR’s programs did nothing to end the Depression. They were band aids at best. Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto ended it.

For anyone who wants to track the real, as opposed to the Reagan version of unemployment go to the Dept of Commerce, Bureau of Labor Statistics at http://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.t12.htm

Well I am sick of living in a Sicilian State with the fucking bloodsuckers. It is like that scene in Interview with a Vampire where Claudia goes mad because every time she cuts off her hair, it grows right back. It is a rancid and sick relationship. I have been a lifelong democrat, but they have just been so abusive I am walking out. I say skuttle the ship and let’s start with something fresh and younger. If I have to wait, I will wait for some new people instead of this illusory promise crap. BYE OBAMA, BYE NANCY, BYE HARRY!!

Or the defections can happen much sooner, as is the case with New Labours and the Tories in Britain.

The leadership of the DNC are homophobes and bigots.

Obama chose Time Kaine of Virginia to nominally run the DNC. Kaine, like Bill Cinton, is a Dixiecrat. Kaine’s ‘faith based’ program is against reproductive choice and stem cell research and for funding abstinence training. He was an early and hardnosed supporter of the genocide in Iraq and the invasion and occupation of Afghanistan. He ran a gay-baiting campaign to become governor and has the same bigoted attitude towards same sex marriage as Obama, McCain and Hillary Clinton.

The real power in the DNC is Leah Daughtry who runs its day to day operations. Like Obama she’s a Jebuzocrat, someone who caters to the christer right. She’s an ordained pentecostal bigot who opposes same sex marriage. Daughtry used DNC funds to pay for anti-GLBT and anti-choice campaigns by other Jebuzocrats. Daughtry was sued, successfully, by the DNCs own director or LGBT outreach for antigay discriminatory hiring and firing practice.

Obama liked Daughtry so much she was promoted to running the Democrat national convention in Denver. Obama’s campaign catered to the christian right from beginning to end, from Donnie McClurkin to Rick Warren and ‘gawd’s in the mix”. Obama chose another ordained pentecostal bigot, Joshua Dubois to run his ‘faith’, read bigot, outreach and made significant inroads into the Republicans bigot outreach.
With Democrat ‘friends’ like Obama, Daughtry, Kaine and Dubois who needs Republican enemies like Bush and Rove.

At the time of re-election cycles THIS is when we make a MAJOR shout and get together in LARGE numbers to call them out on their almost complete lack of committment to the gay community, as THIS is the ONLY time they get scared and will pay attention to us if we are shouting LOUDLY enough. Second to that is the major importance of creating our OWN media arm through using camera phones, etc. with video of our large numbers and (D) politicians reactions when questioned and called out on their two-faced lack of support, so the likes of CNN, FOX, etc. can’t try to censor us out of the news like they did when they created the almost complete news black-out of when Stephen Colbert skewered them at the Press dinner when Bush was in office. We then send that video to progressive and supportive bloggers, Rachel Maddow & Keith Olbermann, etc. so what we are attempting to do will actually get seen by the American masses.

An idea like the above is a start at any rate and would finally make (D) politicians STOP taking us for granted since “we have no other party to go to.”

Time for Progressives to kick that USELESS tool Tim Kaine to the curb. He makes Michael Steele look shmart.

Yeah, Queerty, point the finger everywhere but at your own selves.

We should be bothered by DNC actions, but we shouldn’t fall in foolishness every time John Aravosis has a tantrum.

So I say it’s time for gays to abandon Democrats and the left. For good.