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The Master Plan to Steal Gay Equality From Liberals and Make it a Conservative Cause Célèbre

It’s not just Dick and Liz Cheney trying to court gays to the conservative movement with things like publicly supporting gay marriage and telling the government to get out of the bedroom. Bloggers are doing it too! And not just the Gay Patriots and Independent Gay Forums.

Until recently we didn’t know about Cynthia Yockey, the lesbian 56-year-old former liberal who now “rejects theories of anthropogenic climate change because we are so totally NOT more influential on the climate than the sun, sunspots, the ocean and ocean currents.” Moreover, she’s “more than a little embarrassed that my liberal views were transformed into conservative ones by repeated encounters with facts and math.” Fun!

Also fun: Cynthia’s theory on how to really develop a grassroots conservative base that lives on the Internet, in some sort of Second Life meets Blogger.com scenario. As you know, we love roadmaps and blueprints, and Cynthia offers us one. She writes in the very straightforward “How to grab the gay equality issue from the Left”:

I have a proposal for attracting to conservatism a demographic that’s up-for-grabs. There are three blog publishers who are in a position to do this. Each one could do it alone, but it will make a bigger impact if they hold hands and make the leap of faith together.

My proposal is that at least one publisher of a conservative group blog make their blog a conservative-gay-friendly space by doing the following:

1. Publishing columns that are in favor of homosexual equality by authors who make their case in terms of the values of conservatives, such as liberty, the Constitution, capitalism, strengthening marriage and the family, and so on.
2. Refusing to publish any column, podcast, radio show or TV show expressing opposition to equality for homosexuals.
3. Allowing debate on the merits of homosexual equality in the comments on each piece, but setting a high standard for approving comments by refusing to publish any that are rude or include personal attacks or name-calling.

She goes on to talk about how her plan isn’t one of censorship (okay), but the important part here is how she’s going to steal LGBT equality as a left-y issue and make it a conservative one.

Lesbians and gays act like battered wives and refuse to leave their abusers because they don’t have any safe place to go. They don’t know that fiscal conservatism is an option as their new home. They don’t know how much the Leftist mainstream media and blogosphere lie to them to keep them in the fold. And all they see of conservatism is social conservatives who demonize them.

But social conservatives do not own every square inch of the conservative movement. And welcoming lesbians and gays does not mean the loss of religion, God and good values. After all, one of the first organizations founded at the dawn of the gay rights movement was the Metropolitan Community Church. And the aspirations of lesbians and gays for equality are noble ones: to marry, to create a family through adoption, and to serve their country in the military with exactly the same openness about their sexual orientation that straights have, along with the same duties.

Finally, setting this policy will take from the Left one of its favorite accusations against conservatives of bigotry. It also will expose the Left’s fraudulent tolerance and real abuse and exploitation of homosexuals. Imagine the contortions of deception that Obama and the Democrats will be forced into in order to halt the stampede of their gay cash cows! Obama might even have to keep a promise!!!!!11!!!!1!!!! Seriously, isn’t it worth doing for that alone?

Sadly, yes, and that is all we have to say.

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On:           Apr 6, 2010
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  • 61 Comments
    • emb
      emb

      This doesn’t really distress me. Unlike Cynthia, and like a lot of other GLBTs, I’m not a simple-minded buffoon: If the republicans decide to proactively pursue a gay equality platform and not only say the right stuff but DO it, I suspect that a lot of my fellow ‘mos will become Independent. If the conservatives want to put my equal rights into law, I’m all for it–that doesn’t mean I have to embrace climate change denial or tax cuts for the rich or birther arguments. I guess that makes me something of a slut: I’ll hop into bed with whomever can get the job done, but that doesn’t mean I have to have breakfast with them in the morning.

      Apr 6, 2010 at 10:59 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • PADude
      PADude

      @emb: +1. Post the pro-gay lawmaking, they don’t have to go home but they can’t stay here.

      It would remove one major (inane and insane) hurdle for the Republican party.

      Apr 6, 2010 at 11:28 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • ChicagoJimmy
      ChicagoJimmy

      It’s funny to me that she claims to have “spent over 100 hours online researching Obama, Black Liberation Theology, global warming/climate change, liberalism and conservatism.”

      Do you think she tried reading a book? It seems to me that anyone can publish anything on the Internet and make it look reasonable and fact-based. For example, one can find vast amounts of information “debunking” man-made global climate change, but that doesn’t make it science.

      I also find it interesting that she “finally saw that there is a tipping point in the amount of taxes you have to pay to support the federal, state and local governments after which you have lost ability to support yourself and your family, to create and grow your business as an entrepreneur, and the right to use your own money for yourself and the causes YOU want supported, which often are causes that never would be supported by government.”

      Which tells me this is really all about greed. People that claim to be fiscal conservatives are really just greedy. They want to keep their money for themselves, they don’t want to pay for any lazy free-loaders, they are mad at the government for taking their money, and they want to keep all their money and spend it they way they want to spend it. Waaa!

      Apr 6, 2010 at 11:39 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Fitz
      Fitz

      I am an issue voter, weather that is good bad or ugly.
      I wont even look at other issues unless all candidates are equal on what is most important to me: my rights.

      Apr 6, 2010 at 12:44 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • tjr101
      tjr101

      However well intentioned she may be, conservatives and the republican party have nothing to gain from taking up gay equality. They do however stand to lose their christian rightwing base which far outweights any benefits derived from seeking the gay vote.

      Politics is all about cost and benefits. The gay vote is nothing compared to the evangelical vote. These people vote not on fact but rather what’s in the bible. They don’t embrace science hence the disbelief of global warming and they don’t believe in gay rights because of “what the bible says” on homosexuality. The notion that conservatives are more fiscally responsible than a liberal is a myth. Every Republican president since Reagan left office with a deficit. What they call fiscal conservatism is tax cuts for the rich while spending on wars overseas and cutting benefits to the “undeserving” poor right here in America.

      Apr 6, 2010 at 1:05 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Jody
      Jody

      She’s an Anthropogenic Global Warming denialist? Right there, she demonstrates herself to be an idiot, something that the rest of her comments can’t save her from.

      Apr 6, 2010 at 1:08 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Jason
      Jason

      When the gays get the rights, will most gays be mindlessly liberal?

      This one isn’t or won’t.

      The Dems like us for our money. That’s it. And maybe our ability to pull off a great event. But that is definately it.

      Dems still define marriage as being between a man and a woman.

      WAKE UP HOMOS!!!

      Apr 6, 2010 at 1:11 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Joey
      Joey

      IF republicans demonstrated some form of support for equality for Gays, then I suspect you’d see a big influx of Gays to vote for them. But I would immediately find it quite sketchy for a Republican with a conservative, anti-gay voting record to say tomorrow that they support Equal rights for Gays across all spectrums (see Harold Ford)without any actions or a recent voting record that supports that position. I just couldn’t accept that for face value.
      It’s almost like the Cindy McCain photo-op with NoH8. I find that quite sketchy. She’s married to and is the financial backbone to one of the biggest Gay-Haters in a lawmaking capacity in the country. He’s a total fucking tool, and will never change his dinosaur ways without some form of threat to his own livelihood. If she was sincere at all about supporting Gay Rights, she would very publically, and very loudly and clearly come out in full swing against her husbands position on Gay Rights. Hell, she could become the First Female Pres, and get there with the same amount of Gay votes as Obama just won with if she did exactly that. Imagine, a majority of the Gay voting block voting for a Republican Cindy McCain.
      But she would have to be extreemely vocal and public with her support of the Gay community and our movement for Equal Rights.
      Will it happen? Probably not. But those Republicans have to change their own voting record if they ever hope to win the minds and hearts of any majority of the Gay community.
      I for one find it very hard for myself to even want to hear what one of them has to say when their voting record shows…is SOLID proof…of their position on LGBT legislation. But then again…the Dems are now in the same boat.
      I’m slowly becoming more focused on researching those who vote in what regard to things that effect me personally and that will probably be how I vote for ANY election from now on for my life. Far too many Dems who one would expect to be supportive of their base have spit in our faces while taking our donations. I will no longer blindly vote for one who doesn’t serve with MY best interests at heart. Period.

      Apr 6, 2010 at 1:28 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • D'oh, The Magnificent
      D'oh, The Magnificent

      I am not worried about conservatives coming aboard gay equality because I know it will not happen.

      This conversation is the same they had with African Americans and Latinos in the past. They would say they are going to support you because they want to split off a few idiotic gays from the herd to score political points, but on the policy substance they would not offer the same rights or opportunities under the law.

      The sad part is that no matter how many times it repeats itself, some sad pathetic minority group organization will buy into it, posting articles just like this one on Queerty. The point is divide and conquer. That you are being used is sad, but not unexpected.

      I also love how people claim to be “so smart” and yet don’t know enough of the history of divide and conquer to know that this is part of the approach to achieving that end. By diluting your influence, you leave yourselves more vulnerable rather than less.

      Apr 6, 2010 at 1:47 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • McShane
      McShane

      Can’t happen! The few legitimately greedy Repubs who are cashing in on a corrupt & doomed economic agenda, are so few and far between that they rely onthe mentally retarded social , religious gumballs to get them enough votes to seem legit at all they would never sacrifice that by backing gays. Who are often as right wing as they are in fact.
      You have to keep in mind that he actual people profiting from this are only about %5 of the population at most. The fact is that now 1% of the population get 50 % of the profits and 95% get the rest. So figure that the religious dimwits are fucking them selves, but are gulible nonetheless.

      Thanks to Reagan, Clintoon , Bush and the Banks, the system will fold before there are any gay rights.

      Apr 6, 2010 at 1:48 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Chitown Kev
      Chitown Kev

      The thing is, can they push the religious reich out of the Republican Party or, at least, the base of the Party? (Truth be told, they really don’t belong in the Republican Party).

      I think that real conservatives want to do that but they need the votes.

      Apr 6, 2010 at 1:57 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • D'oh, The Magnificent
      D'oh, The Magnificent

      @McShane: Let me correct your statement, Reagan, Clinton, Bush and now Obama. He’s creating “reform” by paying off the very corporate interests that are now concentrating wealth like a Latin America banana republic in this country. We gays are pretty much irrelevant to the process except as political capital on both sides. One side can not due their base give us any rights and never would if they could. That’s the GOP- which needs the social conservatives to enact the conservative economic agenda. On the other side, we have the Democrats, who need us to win by promising us the world and then giving us little minor policy changes to placate us because they need our votes to enact the same conservative economic policies. It is ironic how many people don’t even understand our economic policies all flow from the same ideological bent at this point, and how they manipulate us on other fronts to achieve that end. The core goal is transfer of wealth from the middle class to the super wealthy just like you would see in banana republic.

      Apr 6, 2010 at 1:57 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • D'oh, The Magnificent
      D'oh, The Magnificent

      @Chitown Kev: Real conservative? This is the old line “Conservatives can only fail conservatism. Conservativism can never fail conservatives”

      Can you point to me of a historical example of conservatives leading the charge for equality or change in society. I think the best that most can come up with is Licoln although his Republican party bares no relationship to either the party of today or the conservatives that were in the party who pre-date the rise of Christian conservatives in the 80s. And, Lincoln acted as he did for reasons outside of freeing slaves.

      So, who in the history of politics has lead the vanguard of human rights? Remember at the core of conservativism is preservation of values and ideas of the status quo. That’s what it is called conservatism. It is what men like Burke wanted. So, what ar eyou talkning about?

      Apr 6, 2010 at 2:06 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • D'oh, The Magnificent
      D'oh, The Magnificent

      By the way, I am not against conservatism where maintaining the status quo may be a good thing. The problem is that the ideological bent of conservatism is by design against radical change such as including new groups under equal protection analysis to say the U.S. Constitution so that gays can achieve marriage equality. So, when someone says “real conservative” I assume they don’t much understand the ideological doctrines that drive conservatism.

      Apr 6, 2010 at 2:09 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Chitown Kev
      Chitown Kev

      @D’oh, The Magnificent:

      When I say “real conservative” I mean those that want their taxes cut, for government to stay out of their business, and they don’t want to have to pay TOO much for an abortion when their 16 year old slutty daughter gets knocked up (althugh they could pay for it).

      I never said anything about conservatives leading the charge to equality. Right here, I’m thinking way more cynically than that.

      Would they take on the gays in a similar way that conservatives did at least give lip service to black civil rights under FDR and and Truman? Just to push the religious bigots out?

      Even though they want to, the neither the incentive nor the votes are there for them to even try it.

      Apr 6, 2010 at 2:27 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • D'oh, The Magnificent
      D'oh, The Magnificent

      @Chitown Kev: Okay, I understand your point better. Yes, I agree that there is nothing electorally in it for it the GOP. The value of a small group making such a statement is to fuck with what they consider to be part of the Democratic base. Thus, the electoral value is to peel of some queer group, who but-for the bigot aspect of hating on gays by the GOP, would want to support the GOP extremism in other regards as a part of the elite. The GOP has no incentive to help us, and the Democrats only marginally have a reason. They don’t want to push out the Christian conservatives. They provide a valuable tool for getting people vote against their economic interest. Just like the hope of civil rights is a valuable tool for the Democrats, which is a right leaning party now, to get us to vote for right leaning policies by promising us civil rights that they are barely going to give us.

      Apr 6, 2010 at 3:41 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Steve
      Steve

      Sounds like someone may have been been listening to Ted Olsen, and thinking about how to turn the issue to advantage again. I doubt this is motivated by any sense of what is fair or right. I think it is far more likely to be motivated by political ambition.

      When at least 10 Republican Senators co-sponsor the Respect for All Marriages Act, then I will believe this is not just GOP mouth-waving in the lead-up to an election.

      Apr 6, 2010 at 4:40 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Tuck
      Tuck

      My biggest problem with her (and by extension, a lot of conservatives) is that it’s always all or nothing. You have to buy everything that they decide a conservative believes in or you’re not a real conservative. It’s as if they can’t separate issues from each other and have to link every single thing that happens into one long conspiracy theory, usually involving socialism.

      Apr 6, 2010 at 5:07 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • PopSnap
      PopSnap

      Won’t happen. The Republicans CANNOT win without the “religious nut” vote, period.

      Apr 6, 2010 at 6:09 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Steve
      Steve [Different person #1 using similar name]

      If they actually *do* it, all the power to them. I think we’ll take any friends we can get.

      With that being said, as others have already mentioned, they said the same things about the black and latino demographics… and look how far they’ve gotten there. The main problem the Republicans have is, underneath all the pretty rhetoric they stole from real Libertarians, they just have a ton of hateful scumbags in that party. A ton. And they’re going to say what they’re going to say regardless of what some PR rep or blogger thinks.

      Fix that problem, and I’ll owe you a beer. Every day. For life.

      Apr 6, 2010 at 6:56 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • D'oh, The Magnificent
      D'oh, The Magnificent

      They don’t follow social libertarian thought that might mean greater rights for gays. So, even if they followed libertarian thought it would not help.

      They steal rhetoric from economic libertarianism that comes out of the U.S., which is chiefly concerned with free market fundamentalism.

      Apr 6, 2010 at 7:31 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • jeffree
      jeffree

      Believing that the Rebubs will change on LGB rights is like Constance in Itawamba thinking she was invited to the REAL prom!!

      Apr 6, 2010 at 7:43 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • J
      J

      @D’oh, The Magnificent: How about the Civil Rights Act that Johnson got through with Republican support, because the Democrats in Congress were opposed to it?

      Apr 6, 2010 at 7:47 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Jadis
      Jadis

      I’m about as far left as they come, but I’m with Steve, if they succeed then more power to them. I think it’s gonna be a tough row to hoe, though.

      Apr 6, 2010 at 7:51 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Chitown Kev
      Chitown Kev

      @J: It wasn’t a D and R deal with the Civil rights act, it was a North-South deal.

      Apr 6, 2010 at 8:07 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • the crustybastard
      the crustybastard

      the aspirations of lesbians and gays for equality are noble ones: to marry, to create a family through adoption, and to serve their country in the military with exactly the same openness about their sexual orientation that straights have, along with the same duties.

      Can’t disagree with this logic, except to say that it’s neither a conservative nor liberal perspective.

      It’s merely a human one.

      Apr 6, 2010 at 8:15 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • D'oh, The Magnificent
      D'oh, The Magnificent

      @Chitown Kev: Thanks for cutting to the chase for me about the Civil Rights Acts. The GOP of the 1960s bares no relationship to the modern GOP. It is ironic that this poster would mention the Civil RIghts Act. As LBJ said of the time, signing the act would push the white voters to the GOP. Less than a decade later, we saw the birth of the Southern Strategy by Nixon running on guns, defense and crime (blacks). We have seen that morph over the years, and ironically, gays are the latest version of the Southern Strategy, including in 2004 running anti marriage amendments to get out the vote in the party.

      @Jadis: It has been my experience that anyone claiming to be ” far left as they come” probably isn’t left of center, much less “far left.” You may want to not use the language of the far right in this country when trying to convince others of your bona fides. Just a suggestion regarding believability.

      Apr 6, 2010 at 8:21 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • D'oh, The Magnificent
      D'oh, The Magnificent

      @J: To add to my point, the last time you had what were considered liberal Republicans (which were not conservatives as much as moderates) were probably going back to the 60s. They were not what I call the ideological underpinning of the party.

      And, and any rate, those type of moderates don’t exist anymore by any stretch of historical analysis.

      After the Civil Rights Act, Nixon and others pushed conservatism as it became under the Southern Strategy, and later morphed even further reactionary conservative under the Reagan revolution. In other words, almost 50 years ago is how far you have to go back to find the type of Republicans that would remotely sign on to rather than lead a civil rights struggle. Remember, ultimately, it was the Democrats who pushed through the civil rights acts and got blamed for it. to this day through conversations about “reverse racism” etc which back in the day was code for “we don’t want niggers in our schools.” I know this because my town was the subject of one of the post Brown v. Board decisions.

      It was about in the 60s that the FDR social democratic ideas were at their height with the great society, but was already facing the economic ideological pressures from the far right in the form of neo-conservatism (practiced by Republicans) and its cousin neo-liberalism (practiced by both parties) regarding economic thought. The more extreme far right economic ideologies grew out of the rantings of Ayn Rand (A la Al Greenspan– free market fundamentalism/economic libertarian rants) and from the teaching of Burkean philosophy (the later you will hear Andrew Sullivan) spouting. Most conservatives or Americans for that matter today are a hodgepodge of these right leaning doctrines that have become considered “facts” rather than ideological assumptions.

      To get to the point where we would have two parties really pushing for gay equality would require a fundamental shift in our country that would require overcoming a lot of layers of bullshit. It is possible. It can happen. It just requires a lot. It will not happen due to self serving pols trying to split the queers from Democrats, who are weak on our issues, but as weak as they are, they are nothing compared to the craziness of the far right in the GOP.

      Apr 6, 2010 at 8:33 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • jason
      jason

      If the Democrats are going to continue treating us like pieces in their political game of chess, then I’m all for exploring conservative philosophy as a viable alternative for our mass political leaning.

      Keep in mind that, to the Democrats, all we are is pieces. We are pieces in a game that is played to maximize the number of votes that we gays will give to them in November. That’s all it is, folks.

      The Democrats keep saying to us that they’ll give us equal rights but they never do. They put us in a state of hope which is sufficient to make us vote for them, but they fail to deliver. And they repeat it election after election. It’s electoral cycle-timed blackmail in that it also relies on our fear of what the big bad Republicans might do should they get in power.

      Apr 6, 2010 at 8:34 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • jason
      jason

      Keep in mind that two of the most homophobic pieces of federal legislation, DADT and DOMA, were signed by our so-called Democratic “friend” Bill Clinton.

      Apr 6, 2010 at 8:36 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • DEREK WASHINGTON
      DEREK WASHINGTON

      Gay Inc folks are really the only ones who would be interested in going over to the dark side. I see the idea here, but, the Gay Inc types don’t get involved in the day to day drudge work like phone banking, walking neighborhoods, etc.. You can’t win elections and gain power without the ground troops who passionately believe in a cause. The right wingnuts have a lock on the party and it’s ground troops.

      Apr 6, 2010 at 9:03 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • jeffree
      jeffree

      @D’oh, The Magnificent: Very impressive analysis.

      Two other issues are also affecting the shifts in Repub ideology: 1. Rise in fundamentalst christian ideology, with its terminology becoming the lingua franca of the Right: predominantly protestant evangelicals in the middle and New Apostolic “warriors” (Palin, many tea partiers, etc) to the extreme right. talk2action.org has covered this issue well. With this predictable rise in “millennial divisiveness” even Republicans who dont hold such beliefs learn to speak the language. Democrats have to show appropriate religious credentials to get elected, especially in the South, Midwest, and Southwest. Thus, the focus on gayz, marriage, abortion, stem cells and even climate change. It’s odd 2 me that the main topic of the economy always gets last billing, other than taxation.

      2) Immigration has been gaining ground as a rallying point. As the complexion of our nation changes dramatically [immigration & birth rates among minorities], there is widespread concern or even panic about what does it mean to be Americans or to live in a multiracial country. Xenophobia & racism seem to be on the up swing. 9/11 lit that spark.

      To recapture their hold on politics, the Repubs are having to focus less on individual liberties and fiscal conservativism, and their focus is on the culture wars: To the old slogan of god, gays, guns add in protecting our country from insurgents (atheists, liberals, gays,immigrants, pacifists), and from foreign enemies. The point is taking BACK THE AMERICAN WAY OF LIFE, circa 1950s.

      Job creation and economic expansion and technological innovation have fallen on the list of priorities, The regressive viewpoint of the Republican party seems unlikely to return to its roots as long as we are a nation at war –at home & abroad.

      Apr 6, 2010 at 9:21 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • D'oh, The Magnificent
      D'oh, The Magnificent

      @jason: As a response to the GOP. I am not making an excuse for Clinton. He did what he did.

      But let’s remember (and I know you can’t because I have seem similar non-historically accurate and often racist statements by you here) the context. For example, Bill also did the unforgivable of suggesting Kerry support the marriage bans in 2004. Kerry did the right thing by not supporting them. Why did Bill suggest that? Because the GOP ran under Rove’s strategy the get out the evangelical Southern Strategy-eque approach in 2004. In several key states, like Ohio, the GOP got ban efforts on the ballot, even in states were such issues had already been resolved by law. Now, reading your post, one would think that our choice is between the Democrats who are weak to bad on gay rights, and the GOP , who are better to marginally better.

      The delusion of your post is that we are being asked to go from bad to ape shit crazy. We are being asked to cut our head off because the other guy want operate to save our lives. At least with us being a live we can still lookf or another surgeon or chance at living. With your “solution” you are offering us certain death. That’s not a choice at all.

      Apr 6, 2010 at 9:48 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • D'oh, The Magnificent
      D'oh, The Magnificent

      @DEREK WASHINGTON: Agree completely. That’s how I view Andrew Sullivan to name one. He wills ay we need to fight for equality, but when it comes to the trenches he poo-poos what is actually involved in fightint to win.

      Apr 6, 2010 at 9:49 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • D'oh, The Magnificent
      D'oh, The Magnificent

      @jeffree: Everything you said is true. One can write volumes on the rise of the Christian right like the moral majority and the Christian Coalition and both parties being captured by theocrats.

      One has to ask where has the American left been in all of this? Well, a) there is no American left and b) on gay rights I am not even sure they would matter since we are discussing bigotry and if history is any guy they are as capable of it as the right.

      However, there is a great article that discusses why we see what we see with so-called liberals in America:

      “The vanishing liberal:
      How the left learned to be helpless”

      http://harpers.org/archive/2010/04/0082894

      What people often describe as left in this country or liberal ironically is Clintonism, which was meant as a reaction to the right. I say ironically because you have right wingers like Jason spouting off about Clinton, but not saying that Clinton passed DADT to address the right wing criticism of him as was the case with DOMA. In other words, they adjusted to the right by adopting right leaning policies. Thus, the irony of whining that liberals are not doing what they say on gay rights. Yes, because they are not acting like liberals. they are acting like the right flank of the political electorate in America.

      The furthest left ward or liberal democratic flank we can expect is what is to the left of the far right. THus what we see on gay rights is not unexpected if that’s your strategy.

      Apr 6, 2010 at 9:57 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • AndrewW
      AndrewW

      There is no political solution to LGBT Equality. Politics will only create false hope and additional frustration.

      Apr 6, 2010 at 10:06 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • D'oh, The Magnificent
      D'oh, The Magnificent

      @AndrewW: Your statement is false.

      Apr 6, 2010 at 10:08 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Alex
      Alex

      They can’t do it, but I support them trying.

      Step one: Stop calling us “homosexuals.” You’d think a lesbian would get that. The only people who still use that word are right wingers, and they sling it with all the venom they used to reserve for “faggot.”

      Apr 6, 2010 at 10:35 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • delurker again
      delurker again

      Another bitter old PUMA. Hillary will never be president, fat guy from Superbad. Never.

      Apr 6, 2010 at 10:59 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • AndrewW
      AndrewW

      @D’oh, The Magnificent: Then, please explain what the political solution to LGBT Equality is. Keep in mind, we’ve been playing the political game for a long, long time. How do we win?

      Apr 7, 2010 at 12:16 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • D'oh, The Magnificent
      D'oh, The Magnificent

      @AndrewW: No.

      Apr 7, 2010 at 1:38 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Robert, NYC
      Robert, NYC

      I’m not that naive to even conceive of conservatives supporting full equality. Why is it that the so called “moderates” in the GOP of hate don’t pressure the leadership to allow the leader of the Log Cabiners a place on the platform during their conventions? None of their candidates have mentioned equality on the campaign trail. Their party has not authored, co authored or sponsored any equality bill with the exception of a minimal number of them supporting ENDA that has yet to be passed. As long as the GOP relies on the religious right, the teabaggers to rouse the base, its ludicrous to think equality issues are going to be take seriously by the party. The dems don’t so why would anyone think the republicans would?

      Apr 7, 2010 at 6:35 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Chitown Kev
      Chitown Kev

      Since someone wanted to ask about the Civil Rights Act, the pattern here is very, very clear

      Southern Democrats: 7-87 (7%-93%)
      Southern Republicans: 0-10 (0%-100%)
      Northern Democrats: 145-9 (94%-6%)
      Northern Republicans: 138-24 (85%-15%)
      The Senate version:

      Southern Democrats: 1-20 (5%-95%) (only Senator Ralph Yarborough of Texas voted in favor)
      Southern Republicans: 0-1 (0%-100%) (this was Senator John Tower of Texas)
      Northern Democrats: 45-1 (98%-2%) (only Senator Robert Byrd of West Virginia opposed the measure)
      Northern Republicans: 27-5

      Apr 7, 2010 at 9:21 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Chitown Kev
      Chitown Kev

      @D’oh, The Magnificent:

      But make no mistake about, the CRA of 1964 would not have passed without the support of Northern Republicans.

      Nowadays those are few and far between (even Collins and Snowe in Maine seem to be firting with the dark side of the GOP a little too much for my taste).

      Apr 7, 2010 at 9:31 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • delurker again
      delurker again

      @Chitown Kev: There is a intellectually dishonest tendency among conservatives and Republicans today to tar to point Southern Democratic opposition to Civil Rights as unified Democratic opposition. The Civil Rights Acts were a bi-partisan triumph of liberalism. Southern Dems who were and still are mostly conservatives opposed them.

      What party do those Dixiecrats belong to now and which party embraced them with dog whistles once the Civil Rights Acts were passed? Hmmm. I wonder.

      Apr 7, 2010 at 11:08 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • D'oh, The Magnificent
      D'oh, The Magnificent

      @Chitown Kev: But those labels are not reflective of the underlying ideological beliefs involved. So pointing to the GOP of the 1960s as Barry Goldwater was influencing them before the rise of Nixon, and more importantly, the domination of the party by Reagan in the 70s and his subsequent revolution in 1980 is completely useless information. It is merely looking at labels. Those Northern Republicans were moderate liberal Democrats from today. These are people who also voted on things like Medicare. Today, they would be labeled as socialist and unrecognizable by conservatives. I mean, in part, that’s because conservatives today are reactionaries, but still the idea that one can talk about the GOP as being represented by those Northern Republicans of the 1960s provides no picture of the ideological underpinning of conservatism. Even the discussion of conservative versus liberal in terms of party is irrelevant because at the time the parties were ideologically diverse. Today, they are not. So, what we are really talking about at the time were people who were ideologically to the left of conservative Democrats today. Could you imagine any of the conservative Democrats today voting on black Civil Rights or medicare? I can’t. That’s how far down the rabbits hole we have gone. I don’t expect the right of center party that is the Democratic party to really do anything more than tweak around gay rights, and I expect the ape shit insane right winger party that is the GOP to do even less. It is just insane to expect ideological to save us considering the basis of the ideaological spectrum is far right and is primarily focused on economic issues.

      Apr 7, 2010 at 11:16 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • D'oh, The Magnificent
      D'oh, The Magnificent

      @Chitown Kev: TO be clear, politics is still a key part of any strategy for equality, but it will play out differently than it did in the past.

      Apr 7, 2010 at 11:18 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Ben
      Ben

      You know, this person may be an idiot on most counts, but if sentiments like this get conservatives and liberals fired up about fighting over who gets the queer vote, I’m not going to be too upset.

      Apr 7, 2010 at 11:28 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Robert, NYC
      Robert, NYC

      Chitown Kev No. 42, its quite clear isn’t? The Log Cabiners actually believe they can change their party from within. I haven’t noticed any change in the past ten years, have you? They’re delusional and in denial if they think that’s going to happen as long as the religious wackos and teabaggers, FOX news, Limbaugh, Beck, Savage, Hannity, Coulter are calling the shots. In any event, full equality hasn’t, isn’t or ever will be number one on their agenda. None of the Log Cabiners were bothered by the fact that 45 million or more Americans had no access to health care either. They were perfectly content to maintain the status quo. Selfish and hateful if you ask me.

      Apr 7, 2010 at 11:56 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • tjr101
      tjr101

      @Robert, NYC:

      Well said. The log cabin crew is only concerned about their tax cuts and maintaining their DADT country club membership. Apart from being gay most logcabin/goprouders are bigots just like the rest of the GOP base.

      Apr 7, 2010 at 12:46 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Robert, NYC
      Robert, NYC

      TJR101, exactly! Many of them don’t even give a damn about marriage equality either. They have their wealth and tax loopholes and they consider that sufficient, doesn’t affect them and they sure as hell don’t care about the rest of us who need the benefits, privileges and protections that come only through marriage. Many of them couldn’t give a damn about ENDA or DADT of course, as long as it doesn’t affect them. Classic selfish republican behavior. Sick people who persisently vote for their own oppression.

      Apr 7, 2010 at 12:59 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • jeffree
      jeffree

      As long as the Republican party depends on the religious right for votes, no Republican running for Congress or up 4 re-election will dare to voice anything better that lukewarm support for ENDA or against DOMA or DADT.

      I dont follow state politics closely enough to know of that applies at that level, but congress aint changing anytime soon. Even the democrats run scared from the bible thumpers if their political arse is on the line.

      Apr 8, 2010 at 1:31 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Robert, NYC
      Robert, NYC

      Jeffree, the reason why my state (NY) lost marriage equality last December was exactly that, eight of them pandered to their religious base, one of them was a religious bigot minister, Ruben Diaz, an avowed homophobe, ALL democrats of course. It was a huge margin to lose by. Its going to be very hard to get rid of 8 maybe 7 since Hiram Monserrate has gone. Their constituents are overwhelmingly conservative. It will be decades before my state gets marriage equality, maybe never, ditto New Jersey and Maine.

      Apr 8, 2010 at 7:54 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • admin
      admin

      Our site often links to homophobic as well as supporting websites: the former because those opinions make up the world in which we live in. Yet we have perhaps shied away from Cynthia’s site b/c we don’t find it of value, esp as those conservative (read homophobic in a structural sense) comments or points of view don’t add value to our community (we think).

      We however support her right to say and have any opinion, we are just respectfully choosing not to point our readers that way anymore. Perhaps one day her opinions may meet the ethos and politics of ours and we can resume that again.

      Really liked how we are raising this topic…

      Apr 9, 2010 at 12:02 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Flex
      Flex

      I don’t give a damn which party advocates for our equality. All of our political leaders need to rise up against religious zealotry!

      Apr 9, 2010 at 10:15 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • D'oh, The Magnificent
      D'oh, The Magnificent

      @admin: You cite it to drive traffic.

      Apr 9, 2010 at 6:16 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • admin
      admin

      @D’oh, The Magnificent:

      @no.56

      Of course, we cite things of interest to point users to a particular article, not to boost traffic for ‘x’ website. Not sure what you mean by your comment.

      I apologise in advance if I’m wrong, but you do sound like the subject of this very article. Nothing wrong with that, I’d hope C.Y. does chime in here at some point.

      I’m not sure I can add value to the rest of this discussion, so I won’t continue to comment – great discussion queerty!

      Apr 9, 2010 at 8:29 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Chitown Kev
      Chitown Kev

      @D’oh, The Magnificent:

      I know that those labels are not reflective of the Party as it is today.

      After all, how many “Northern Republicans” remain and how many of them have the same ideology?

      Apr 10, 2010 at 9:29 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • merkin
      merkin

      First of all, conservative doesnt equal Republican. Common conservative values–smaller government, slow incrimental change–are no longer recognizable in the GOP, which during the Bush years rammed a huge agenda and government debt down our throats.

      Secondly, to address some posters who commented along the lines of “People who want to keep their money for themselves and spend it they way they want to spend it” are heartless and greedy.” That’s not greedy–that’s FAIR. It never ceases to amaze me how liberals think the government–which denies us our rights and screws up Medicaid, Social Security and every other program it touches–is the solution to all our problems.

      And lastly–climate change has NOTHING to do with gay rights. I dont understand why we’re expected to be down-the-line on the “right” side of certain issues, like Obamacare, gun control, abortion,immigration, etc. These are all complex, disconnected issues. Why can’t i be a pro-marriage equality, pro Obamacare, pro-choicer? Or believe in charter schools but not national healthcare? Turning us into one groupthink only makes it easier for the powers that be to manipulate and marginalize us.

      Apr 10, 2010 at 3:35 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Robert, NYC
      Robert, NYC

      No. 59, So Merkin….so the government which denies us our rights and “screws up Medicaid, Social Security and every other program it touches” is tantamount to saying that the government should be out of the business of funding the military, FBI, CIA, FAA, CAA, HUD, FEMA, NASA, Homeland Security, Medicare, Public Schools, DOJ, and a host of others? In what way has the government, republican and democratic alike, screwed up all of those? I don’t see the republicans coming up with a solution to privatize all of them as they would like and if they do, where is the money going to come from? The Obamacare you speak of is actually not government controlled one iota. It appears that the insurance companies are still calling the shots garnering another 30 million plus subscribers still leaving 11-18 million people without any access. I didn’t see the republicans come up with any viable health care for all solution in the last 30 years. If national health care is so very bad in every major western country, why haven’t they abandoned it? Not one has! What’s so great about ours where not everybody is covered?

      Apr 10, 2010 at 5:24 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • VICARIO/VICARIOPUSDAY/DON MOISÉS/MOISÉS IBRAHIM
      VICARIO/VICARIOPUSDAY/DON MOISÉS/MOISÉS IBRAHIM

      COLEGIO RETAMAR: DON MOISÉS/MOISÉS IBRAHIM.

      Acudo a estas páginas con sumo placer, agrado y honor para expresar mi total APOYO al COLECTIVO GAY y abogo por la IGUALDAD de DERECHOS de JUSTICIA a todos aquellos que se identifican con el GÉNERO HUMANO como la ÚNICA RAZA del SER, el AMOR como el IDIOMA UNIVERSAL, la JUSTICIA como el ÚNICO CREDO y la LIBERTAD como un ÚNICO DON.
      Gracias a la VIDA que me ha dado TANTO. No me ha dado CAUDALES, No me ha dado PODERES, No me ha dado TÍTULO de MARQUÉS, ni me ha dado el pevilegio de ser GRANDEZA DE ESPAÑA. Me ha dado VIDA para VIVIR y VER, TOCAR para SENTIR, HACER para APRENDER, EJERCITAR para PERFECCIONAR, PERSEVERAR para DESCUBRIR, LUCHAR para VENCER y SERVIR para AGRADAR.
      He sido destinado a formar parte de la MADRE OBRA (OPUS DEI) como SUPERNUMERARIO, y a la vez, tener el sumo honor de entrar en la hISTORIA GLORIOSA de ESPAÑA por haber educado dos generaciones procedentes del FASCISMO, la DICTADURA, la ESCLAVITUD de la IGLESIA, los GRANDEZAS de ESPAÑA, la ARISTOCRACIA, la NOBLEZA, la ALTEZA y con HONOR la REALEZA. La VIDA me ha trazado un CAMINO a SEGUIR y CUMPLIR con LEALTAD y SERVIDUMBRE.
      La CULTURA por donde PROCEDO ha puesto su LEY y la EDUCACIÓN que me inculcaron los que me han traído a este MUNDO ha sido manifiesta ante los ASALTOS a la RAZÓN, como TRAICIÓN a las VIRTUDES y VALORES. No hay lugar a dudas que los TREINTA y TRES AÑOS que he estado al SERVICIO de la EDUCACIÓN en el COLEGIO RETAMAR en MADRID, se traducen como dos TRINIDADES (33) que honran, y dignifican al EX MARQUIS de PERALTA en su propia TUMBA.
      La IGLESIA CATÓLICA ha hecho SANGRAR a los PADECIENTES de INJUSTICIAS PERMITIDAS desde que CRISTO se ha mARCHADO con su PADRE, dejando CISCO en el PLANETA VATICANO. La OPRESIÓN, la INJUSTICIA y ESCLAVITUD del PENTAGONO VATICANO han dado paso a la llegada de los DIABLOS dentre las PAREDES GRUESAS de la ROCA de SAN PEDRO, para ABRIR PASO a las LIBERTADES y denunciar las PROSTITUCIONES y los ABUSOS SEXUALES.
      Las SOCIEDADES MODERNAS evangelizan REALIDADES TERRENALES y no DOGMAS MEDIEVALES que han servido para generar NEURONAS RANCIAS datas a las EDADES MEDIAS. La TECNOLOGÍA ha superado la OMNIPOTENCIA INVISIBLE y ha hecho del HOMBRE DIOS de nuevo y la MUJER DIOSA. DIOS ya no genera AMOR, sino el CUERPO HUMANO produce AMOR y alimenta a sus semejantes con AMOR. No caben, por tanto, BONUS PAPALES y CONTROLES REMOTOS CORPORALES.
      La DECADENCIA de la IGLESIA CATÓLICA viene motivada por el MATRIMONIO que contrajo el PASTOR POLACO, carente de PEDIGREE, con el OPUS DEI. FUHRER RATZINGER que ha servido en su juventud al FASCISMO HITLERISTA ha seguido la misma MARCHA de su ANTECESOR, para seguir sobreviviendo de los CAUDALES ILEGALES procedentes del OPUS DEI. Los OJOS BONITOS siempre llaman mucho la ATENCIÓN, hasta el grado que a veces HABLAN.
      El PEPE por providencia responde o se traduce por JOSÉ MARÍA, uno ha sido un CRIMINAL de GUERRA junto con su MINISTRO de DEFENSA OPUSINO y el otro es JOSE MARÍA, es un EX MARQUÉS de PERALTA, TÍTULO COMPRADO, y un SUPUESTO SANTO, SANTIDAD FINANCIADA hasta la ETERNIDAD. FUHRER RATZINGER, BIN BUSHITLER ha avalado por su VISITA al PENTAGÓNO BUSHITLERISTA, las ATROCIDADES, los GENOCIDIOS y las LIMPIEZAS ÉTNICAS del PROTAGONISTA del IMPERIO INCOHERENTE, que ha PRESENCIA a CRISTO CLONADO en el PENTAGÓNO, para otorgarle “BONUS PAPAL” de las CRUZADAS MODERNAS.
      La REALIDAD es que el OPUS DEI ha germinado el PEPE y ambos se atavian en SOTANITAS INVISIBLES para ejercecer los ASALTOS a las ARCAS PÚBLICAS, se esconden in HIJABAS para controlar CAUDALES de LORD BLACK MONEY, y se meten en BURKAS para levantar FUNDACIONES illegales, devorando el PAN de los POBRES para FABRICAR ruedas MOLINOS (HOSTIAS SAGRADAS) para los ALTARES hechos de ORO y DIAMENTES.
      El PEPE y el OPUS DEI es una dualidad de NUERONAS RANCIAS que no abogan por la IGUALDAD sino las GRANDEZAS y las RIQUEZAS. El SALMO de ambos responde a “ENTRAR A MATAR” cuando sus TRASEROS se quedan al AIRE LIBRE y sus ILEGALIDADES al DESCUBIERTO. No habrá de irse más lejos para hacer realidad que la VERDAD hace LIBRES a los HOMBRES de buena VOLUNTAD y qye son POBRES, mientras la VERDAD hace ESCLAVOS de INMORALIDAD al OPUS DEI con sus INSTITUCIONES.
      El OPUS DEI a mano de SANTIAGO ESCRIVÁ DE BALAGUER, SOBRINO del EX MARQUÉS de PERALTA y EX ALUMNO MÍO, junto con su CÓMPLICE el DOCTOR SUÁREZ y todo el ARSENAL de COMUNICACIÓN de TELEFÓNICA de ESPAÑA, me han SECUESTRADO en una PLENA NOCHE en mi CASA, teniendo que pedir SOCORRO a las TRES por la MAÑANA desde la TERRAZA del SÉPTIMO PISO y por la mañana siguiente hizo su presencia el SEÑOR CONSERJE para TESTIMONIAR el TERRORISMO ESPIRITUAL del OPUS DEI.
      LA SANTISIMA TRINIDAD TERRENAL GENOCIDA DE LAS ORGÍAS SANGUÍNARIAS, COMPUESTA por los TRES TERRORISTAS BIN LADENISTAS, SANTIAGO, SUÁREZ Y TELEFÓNICA DE ESPAÑA, se han APODERADO NUEVAMENTE DE MIS LINEAS TELEFÓNICAS y me han ENVIADO el DOCTOR SUÁREZ a mi DOMICILIO para COMETER un ACTO de HOMICIDIO, SIN CONOCIMIENTO O PERMISO EXPRESO DE ADESLAS, DONDE AMBOS MÉDICOS TERRORISTAS PRESTAN SUS SERVICIOS. Los ARCHIVOS de ADESLAS constatan que no he pedido ningún MÉDICO aquella MAÑANA.
      COLEGIO RETAMAR donde he prestado mis servicios como EDUCADOR ha resultado como un BUNKER de TERRORISMO ESPIRITUAL, una FORTALEZA de CRUZADAS MODERNAS, un CUARTEL ABUSIVO de APOSTOLADO y RECLUTAMIENTO de ADOLESCENTES, Ademas, los DOCUMENTOS avalan los ASALTOS a las ARCAS PÚBLICAS, los ASALTOS a la SEGURIDAD SOCIAL, los ASALTOS a la COMUNIDAD de MADRID, los ASALTOS a los PROPIOS EMPLEADOS, el MANEJO DE DINERO NEGRO, el LEVANTAMIENTO de FUNDACIONES ILEGALES, los SUELDOS DESORBITADOS a NUMERARIOS por ser de “CASA” y en “CASA” se quedan los CAUDALES.
      El OPUS DEI es una SECTA que INFECTA como los INSECTOS y causa enfermidades CRÓNICAS MENTALES. OPUS DEI is a SECT that INFECTS like INSECTS and produce MENTAL CHRONICAL DISEASES. Get INVOLVED and SUPPORT the SAME SEX MARRIAGE and HOMOSEXUAL HUMAN RIGHTS. PAX IN AETERNUM, but think of PAX IN TERRA.
      VICARIO/VICARIOPUSDAY/VICARIOPUSDEI/VICARIOPUSEXDEI/VICARIOPUSECTDEI/DON MOISÉS/MOISÉS IBRAHIM. EX SUPERNUMERARIO del OPUS DEI y EX EDUCADOR del ILUSTRE COLEGIO RETAMAR

      Aug 21, 2010 at 4:45 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·

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