Comments on: ‘The minimum Cleve Jones and Torie Osborn should have done was check to see if the Mall was available’ http://www.queerty.com/the-minimum-cleve-jones-and-torie-osborn-should-have-done-was-check-to-see-if-the-mall-was-available-20090602/ Free of an agenda. Except that gay one. Wed, 15 Feb 2012 18:32:18 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Darrell6tt http://www.queerty.com/the-minimum-cleve-jones-and-torie-osborn-should-have-done-was-check-to-see-if-the-mall-was-available-20090602/#comment-175358 Darrell6tt Thu, 04 Jun 2009 02:40:45 +0000 http://www.queerty.com/?p=55742#comment-175358 @<a href="#comment-175012" rel="nofollow">hyhybt</a>: Why did I write Kansas City??? Wrong state. It was Oklahoma City. Sorry. Sometimes my brain looses a connection or two. @hyhybt: Why did I write Kansas City??? Wrong state. It was Oklahoma City. Sorry. Sometimes my brain looses a connection or two.

]]> By: hyhybt http://www.queerty.com/the-minimum-cleve-jones-and-torie-osborn-should-have-done-was-check-to-see-if-the-mall-was-available-20090602/#comment-175012 hyhybt Wed, 03 Jun 2009 17:19:52 +0000 http://www.queerty.com/?p=55742#comment-175012 @<a href="#comment-174743" rel="nofollow">Darrell6tt</a>: Wait, when was there a bombing in Kansas City (either of them)? @Darrell6tt: Wait, when was there a bombing in Kansas City (either of them)?

]]> By: Darrell6tt http://www.queerty.com/the-minimum-cleve-jones-and-torie-osborn-should-have-done-was-check-to-see-if-the-mall-was-available-20090602/#comment-174743 Darrell6tt Tue, 02 Jun 2009 23:16:14 +0000 http://www.queerty.com/?p=55742#comment-174743 @<a href="#comment-174677" rel="nofollow">Alex</a>: Pennsylvania Avenue in front of the White House has been impassible since the Clinton Administration. The Secret Service closed it off after the Kansas City bombing. @Alex: Pennsylvania Avenue in front of the White House has been impassible since the Clinton Administration. The Secret Service closed it off after the Kansas City bombing.

]]> By: edgyguy1426 http://www.queerty.com/the-minimum-cleve-jones-and-torie-osborn-should-have-done-was-check-to-see-if-the-mall-was-available-20090602/#comment-174699 edgyguy1426 Tue, 02 Jun 2009 22:43:12 +0000 http://www.queerty.com/?p=55742#comment-174699 Maybe seein a huge mass of people on the Mall will spur someone to start countin each person there as a vote. Maybe seein a huge mass of people on the Mall will spur someone to start countin each person there as a vote.

]]> By: Alex http://www.queerty.com/the-minimum-cleve-jones-and-torie-osborn-should-have-done-was-check-to-see-if-the-mall-was-available-20090602/#comment-174677 Alex Tue, 02 Jun 2009 22:11:32 +0000 http://www.queerty.com/?p=55742#comment-174677 Fuck the mall. Let's pack Lafayette Square until we're spilling out until Pennsylvania Ave is impassable. Of course, I'm drunk right now, so... Fuck the mall. Let’s pack Lafayette Square until we’re spilling out until Pennsylvania Ave is impassable. Of course, I’m drunk right now, so…

]]> By: Wolf http://www.queerty.com/the-minimum-cleve-jones-and-torie-osborn-should-have-done-was-check-to-see-if-the-mall-was-available-20090602/#comment-174671 Wolf Tue, 02 Jun 2009 22:05:02 +0000 http://www.queerty.com/?p=55742#comment-174671 @<a href="#comment-174665" rel="nofollow">Landon Bryce</a>: I totally agree with you. As for Robin Tyler I think she has a bit of a conflict of interest. Also you know I really want to go on the books here by saying just how cheesy and selfish it is for all you CA Marriage people to trash the idea of a March. Why because its NOT ABOUT YOU? All I have jeard is it will talke money from the CA Fight. Yadda Yadda. If you don't want to go to the protest then don;t. but don;t sit back and try to sabotage it and bad mouth it because you'd rather have the focus on you. Its selfish and tacky @Landon Bryce:

I totally agree with you. As for Robin Tyler I think she has a bit of a conflict of interest.

Also you know I really want to go on the books here by saying just how cheesy and selfish it is for all you CA Marriage people to trash the idea of a March. Why because its NOT ABOUT YOU?

All I have jeard is it will talke money from the CA Fight. Yadda Yadda.

If you don’t want to go to the protest then don;t. but don;t sit back and try to sabotage it and bad mouth it because you’d rather have the focus on you.

Its selfish and tacky

]]> By: Landon Bryce http://www.queerty.com/the-minimum-cleve-jones-and-torie-osborn-should-have-done-was-check-to-see-if-the-mall-was-available-20090602/#comment-174669 Landon Bryce Tue, 02 Jun 2009 22:02:51 +0000 http://www.queerty.com/?p=55742#comment-174669 Sorry, cat sent last message before I finished. I'm not sure a march is a great idea. But I know that a CA 2010 marriage battle will distract from ought to be a national focus for no good reason. I see only a self-centered temper tantrum in the insistence of many gay people who live in my state that their right to the word marriage matters more than the right to employment for the entire country. Sorry, cat sent last message before I finished.

I’m not sure a march is a great idea. But I know that a CA 2010 marriage battle will distract from ought to be a national focus for no good reason.

I see only a self-centered temper tantrum in the insistence of many gay people who live in my state that their right to the word marriage matters more than the right to employment for the entire country.

]]> By: Landon Bryce http://www.queerty.com/the-minimum-cleve-jones-and-torie-osborn-should-have-done-was-check-to-see-if-the-mall-was-available-20090602/#comment-174665 Landon Bryce Tue, 02 Jun 2009 21:58:15 +0000 http://www.queerty.com/?p=55742#comment-174665 @<a href="#comment-174652" rel="nofollow">flightoftheseabird</a>: First of all, marriage rights in CA does not equal gay rights. Many of us, even many of us who who in CA are horrified by the idiotic decision to immediately waste resources by plunging into a repeat of the Prop 8 battle. California couples have all the legal rights the state can give them. Gay people in most places in the country cannot enter into any sort of union. I think a California focus when people in most parts of the country can be fired for being gay is obscene. If all of the money and energy we spent on the failed Prop 8 effort how been spent lobbying Congress on ENDA, DADT, and DOMA, I think it would be much harder for the President and the Democratic controlled Congress to be draggin The point of a march on Washington is to make the point that we ar engaged in a civil rights struggle which concerns us all @flightoftheseabird:

First of all, marriage rights in CA does not equal gay rights. Many of us, even many of us who who in CA are horrified by the idiotic decision to immediately waste resources by plunging into a repeat of the Prop 8 battle.

California couples have all the legal rights the state can give them. Gay people in most places in the country cannot enter into any sort of union. I think a California focus when people in most parts of the country can be fired for being gay is obscene.

If all of the money and energy we spent on the failed Prop 8 effort how been spent lobbying Congress on ENDA, DADT, and DOMA, I think it would be much harder for the President and the Democratic controlled Congress to be draggin

The point of a march on Washington is to make the point that we ar engaged in a civil rights struggle which concerns us all

]]> By: flightoftheseabird http://www.queerty.com/the-minimum-cleve-jones-and-torie-osborn-should-have-done-was-check-to-see-if-the-mall-was-available-20090602/#comment-174652 flightoftheseabird Tue, 02 Jun 2009 21:35:02 +0000 http://www.queerty.com/?p=55742#comment-174652 The march on DC is a stupid idea. Period. Robin Tyler basically said as much at the Leadership Summit on Sunday, the room agreed with her (for the most part). If we are going to win marriage equality back in CA, we need to be here on the ground. I respect what Cleve Jones has done in the past, but this is just a dumb idea. Why doesn't he have a March on CA. Where those 500,000 to 1 million people he expects to show up in DC come to every county in CA and knock on 50 doors over the same two days and talk about marriage equality to voters. Over two days we could talk to every single voter in the state of CA. Now that would be a powerful image. The march on DC is a stupid idea. Period. Robin Tyler basically said as much at the Leadership Summit on Sunday, the room agreed with her (for the most part). If we are going to win marriage equality back in CA, we need to be here on the ground. I respect what Cleve Jones has done in the past, but this is just a dumb idea. Why doesn’t he have a March on CA. Where those 500,000 to 1 million people he expects to show up in DC come to every county in CA and knock on 50 doors over the same two days and talk about marriage equality to voters. Over two days we could talk to every single voter in the state of CA. Now that would be a powerful image.

]]> By: allstarecho http://www.queerty.com/the-minimum-cleve-jones-and-torie-osborn-should-have-done-was-check-to-see-if-the-mall-was-available-20090602/#comment-174578 allstarecho Tue, 02 Jun 2009 19:13:03 +0000 http://www.queerty.com/?p=55742#comment-174578 If it's anything like the last one, I'll pass. Nothing but a big block party, with vendors unpaid and HRC staffers selling drugs out of their hotel rooms. If it’s anything like the last one, I’ll pass. Nothing but a big block party, with vendors unpaid and HRC staffers selling drugs out of their hotel rooms.

]]> By: Darrell6tt http://www.queerty.com/the-minimum-cleve-jones-and-torie-osborn-should-have-done-was-check-to-see-if-the-mall-was-available-20090602/#comment-174551 Darrell6tt Tue, 02 Jun 2009 18:44:40 +0000 http://www.queerty.com/?p=55742#comment-174551 A march on Washington may make some folks feel good, but it is unlikely to do anything else, like influence a politician. I see it as a big waste of limited resources. A march on Washington may make some folks feel good, but it is unlikely to do anything else, like influence a politician. I see it as a big waste of limited resources.

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