whoa. Did they say 1.5 million? That money really could have been better spent on helping the homeless, foster children, etc. What a waste.

You know what? Fuck ‘em. I’m tired of arguing. We are winning, so get used to it. I want the same civil rights as everyone else or stop taking my goddamn tax money to educate your offspring. It’s my country, too.

Rick, that's become my response as of late also. Inspired by the Senate Majority Leader in Iowa: You've already lost and you just don't realize it.

It should also be noted that all those lies in the commercial of what happens when you grant marriage equality are NEVER stated when they argue directly with gay folks because we'll point out the facts. They never want to argue facts with us, and in the end they are just left with their Bible excuses.

@ChristopherM: And fuck their bible, too. Nobody’s Bible, or Torah, or any other sort or voodoo black magic book about sky gods is a factor in this argument. We are a secular society – NOT a theocracy. So bringing up any religious comic but is simply irrelevant. I don’t what is in it, and the government does not rule by it.

@rickroberts: I totally agree. Often, I like to look at both sides, but in this argument, I am less and less able to clearly articulate a contrary position that isn't really just a defense of bigotry and discrimination.

In the commercial referenced above, a "California doctor" (who is also a "Massachussetts parent" in the audition reel, proving how staged these ads are) must choose between her "faith" and her "job." Outside of what sounds like unquestionable rhetoric (hence, it's propaganda status) is the fact that basically her faith tells her not to give gay people medical treatment and gay marriage, government machination, will force her to treat gays and lesbians or else face fines and legal anti-discrimination action. Wait, so we shouldn't legalize gay marriage because then you wouldn't be able to turn people away from treatment? Violation of hipocratic oath and, I presume from Sunday School background, basic principles of Christian faith.

Further, I think that the point you bring up about taxes is a crucial one, and has been brought up before to illustrate the same key point. I pay taxes and I only get a fraction of the rights that my parents do, for their tax payments (let's ignore that my parents and I are in vastly different income brackets). I liked Melissa Etheridge's suggestion that gay people just stop paying taxes. Obviously, it couldn't work, but why are we paying full bill for fractional rights??

The LEGISLATURES are the ones out of touch?! Who's the group that is clinging to the idea that gay people and families don't really exist in society, can't raise normal happy children, and are all HIC raging sex addicts who just wanna perform sodomy?!?!

My God, these people are psychotic!

TOOBIN on 360 (after hack talking head and closeted coward Cooper signals to everyone that "this is serious" by furrowing his brow) is 99% wrong! Vermont was NOT the first state where "the people's representatives" [i.e., its legislative body] voted to legalize marriage equality. That was California FOUR YEARS ago…but the governor vetoed it and they were unable to override it. Repeated again in 2007.

Oy! This is why I'll never forgive Clinton, who never missed an opportunity in Inaugural addresses or State of the Union speeches, to bring up gays and lesbians but then went ahead and signed DOMA. Ugh