Comments on: ‘The Second Stonewall’: Five Days of Protest in California http://www.queerty.com/the-second-stonewall-five-days-of-protest-in-california-20081110/ Free of an agenda. Except that gay one. Wed, 15 Feb 2012 09:16:10 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: FAG H8R http://www.queerty.com/the-second-stonewall-five-days-of-protest-in-california-20081110/#comment-96789 FAG H8R Thu, 13 Nov 2008 02:03:48 +0000 http://www.queerty.com/?p=32421#comment-96789 WOW! The state has spoken... They said they don't agree with the GAY agenda you are trying to push on the rest of the state... so SUCK ON THAT! WOW! The state has spoken… They said they don’t agree with the GAY agenda you are trying to push on the rest of the state… so SUCK ON THAT!

]]> By: Lee Wind http://www.queerty.com/the-second-stonewall-five-days-of-protest-in-california-20081110/#comment-96055 Lee Wind Tue, 11 Nov 2008 21:11:33 +0000 http://www.queerty.com/?p=32421#comment-96055 Yeah, it would have been amazing to see so many people take to the streets BEFORE the vote... But I guess that's how movements flare up - once you've been slapped down, you get up (like some kick-ass kickboxer) and get ready to bring it on... Lee Yeah, it would have been amazing to see so many people take to the streets BEFORE the vote… But I guess that’s how movements flare up – once you’ve been slapped down, you get up (like some kick-ass kickboxer) and get ready to bring it on…

Lee

]]> By: David JF http://www.queerty.com/the-second-stonewall-five-days-of-protest-in-california-20081110/#comment-95975 David JF Tue, 11 Nov 2008 19:15:28 +0000 http://www.queerty.com/?p=32421#comment-95975 @<a href="#comment-95966" rel="nofollow">Lauren Glover</a>: THERE WILL BE A NATIONWIDE PROTEST THIS SATURDAY 11/15! Info at: http://jointheimpact.com/ Find states, cities, addresses of locations at: http://jointheimpact.wetpaint.com/?t=anon @Lauren Glover:

THERE WILL BE A NATIONWIDE PROTEST THIS SATURDAY 11/15!

Info at: http://jointheimpact.com/

Find states, cities, addresses of locations at: http://jointheimpact.wetpaint.com/?t=anon

]]> By: Lauren Glover http://www.queerty.com/the-second-stonewall-five-days-of-protest-in-california-20081110/#comment-95966 Lauren Glover Tue, 11 Nov 2008 18:56:53 +0000 http://www.queerty.com/?p=32421#comment-95966 What you all have done in California is simply amazing. Congratulations on the organizing thus far and good luck in your future protests. I hope you are able to succeed and wish that i could be there. What you all have done in California is simply amazing. Congratulations on the organizing thus far and good luck in your future protests. I hope you are able to succeed and wish that i could be there.

]]> By: TheGt http://www.queerty.com/the-second-stonewall-five-days-of-protest-in-california-20081110/#comment-95816 TheGt Tue, 11 Nov 2008 13:28:42 +0000 http://www.queerty.com/?p=32421#comment-95816 This is a consequence of the gay community being apathetic toward these issues. It think we became too comfortable with believing change would "just happen" as a trend. We are forgetting the actual ACTION it took from the gay community of past generations to pave the liberties we have today. Prop 8 passing was probably the best thing that could have happened to the gay community in retrospect. This is a consequence of the gay community being apathetic toward these issues. It think we became too comfortable with believing change would “just happen” as a trend. We are forgetting the actual ACTION it took from the gay community of past generations to pave the liberties we have today. Prop 8 passing was probably the best thing that could have happened to the gay community in retrospect.

]]> By: Crash2Parties http://www.queerty.com/the-second-stonewall-five-days-of-protest-in-california-20081110/#comment-95758 Crash2Parties Tue, 11 Nov 2008 06:29:44 +0000 http://www.queerty.com/?p=32421#comment-95758 Might I remind everyone that is picketing and boycotting Utah and the LDS that it was the Catholic San Francisco Arch Bishop who, back in June just a few weeks after the previous proposition was overturned, who called up his friends in Utah to organize the unholy alliance. If you want to do something, protest the Catholics too. Might I remind everyone that is picketing and boycotting Utah and the LDS that it was the Catholic San Francisco Arch Bishop who, back in June just a few weeks after the previous proposition was overturned, who called up his friends in Utah to organize the unholy alliance. If you want to do something, protest the Catholics too.

]]> By: Paul http://www.queerty.com/the-second-stonewall-five-days-of-protest-in-california-20081110/#comment-95732 Paul Tue, 11 Nov 2008 05:43:01 +0000 http://www.queerty.com/?p=32421#comment-95732 I completely agree with StraightGuyHere's comments. We might be a sizable group in major metro areas, but in much of the country, we're a tiny minority. We can't do this on our own; we need straight allies that agree: No matter how you feel about marriage, we can all agree that discrimination is wrong. We're a strong, smart group of individuals, and we need to gain the public's goodwill on this. Fighting back with hate and violence will only turn a majority of Americans against us. I completely agree with StraightGuyHere’s comments. We might be a sizable group in major metro areas, but in much of the country, we’re a tiny minority. We can’t do this on our own; we need straight allies that agree: No matter how you feel about marriage, we can all agree that discrimination is wrong.

We’re a strong, smart group of individuals, and we need to gain the public’s goodwill on this. Fighting back with hate and violence will only turn a majority of Americans against us.

]]> By: Phoenix (Rainbow Warrior With His Picket Sign In Hand) http://www.queerty.com/the-second-stonewall-five-days-of-protest-in-california-20081110/#comment-95697 Phoenix (Rainbow Warrior With His Picket Sign In Hand) Tue, 11 Nov 2008 04:36:35 +0000 http://www.queerty.com/?p=32421#comment-95697 @ FREDO777 This has a similar <a href="http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/11/the_irony_is_apparent_to_some" rel="nofollow">theme</a> to the "Gay is the new Black". We'll probably be seeing it on t-shirts soon. @ FREDO777

This has a similar theme to the “Gay is the new Black”. We’ll probably be seeing it on t-shirts soon.

]]> By: ABC http://www.queerty.com/the-second-stonewall-five-days-of-protest-in-california-20081110/#comment-95663 ABC Tue, 11 Nov 2008 03:44:32 +0000 http://www.queerty.com/?p=32421#comment-95663 We must keep our eye on the bigger picture though, and make sure these demonstrations do not turn into a huge PR fiasco... At first I was hoping the courts would overturn this vote, and I do believe it would be right to do so. But we just elected a president who said he supported equal civil unions on a federal level, and congress might be progressive enough now to follow through. Going against the "will of the people" in CA might make acquiring federal civil unions (even if they remain separate but equal) harder. Prop 8 will be repealed one day - perhaps we should wait until federal rights are secured first though. I mean, gay marriage would have come to CA eventually if we had not pushed it through the courts. We needed to wait until a democratic governor was elected, which was bound to happen. Now the constitution has been changed, and the fight got more difficult. We must pick our battles wisely and not try to go too fast. A constitutional amendment on the federal level is the real danger. Just my 2 cents... We must keep our eye on the bigger picture though, and make sure these demonstrations do not turn into a huge PR fiasco… At first I was hoping the courts would overturn this vote, and I do believe it would be right to do so. But we just elected a president who said he supported equal civil unions on a federal level, and congress might be progressive enough now to follow through. Going against the “will of the people” in CA might make acquiring federal civil unions (even if they remain separate but equal) harder. Prop 8 will be repealed one day – perhaps we should wait until federal rights are secured first though. I mean, gay marriage would have come to CA eventually if we had not pushed it through the courts. We needed to wait until a democratic governor was elected, which was bound to happen. Now the constitution has been changed, and the fight got more difficult. We must pick our battles wisely and not try to go too fast. A constitutional amendment on the federal level is the real danger. Just my 2 cents…

]]> By: logan767 http://www.queerty.com/the-second-stonewall-five-days-of-protest-in-california-20081110/#comment-95656 logan767 Tue, 11 Nov 2008 03:32:45 +0000 http://www.queerty.com/?p=32421#comment-95656 we need to DEMAND our rights. no more second-class citizenship. but also, no fighting hate with hate. let's just get out there and stand up for the truth: gay rights are equal rights. we need to DEMAND our rights. no more second-class citizenship. but also, no fighting hate with hate. let’s just get out there and stand up for the truth: gay rights are equal rights.

]]> By: David JF http://www.queerty.com/the-second-stonewall-five-days-of-protest-in-california-20081110/#comment-95593 David JF Tue, 11 Nov 2008 01:44:01 +0000 http://www.queerty.com/?p=32421#comment-95593 THERE WILL BE A NATIONWIDE PROTEST THIS SATURDAY. Find information, locations by state and city, and help organize at: http://www.jointheimpact.com/ Be patient, server has been overwhelmed by site visitors and will be upgraded ASAP. THERE WILL BE A NATIONWIDE PROTEST THIS SATURDAY.

Find information, locations by state and city, and help organize at:
http://www.jointheimpact.com/

Be patient, server has been overwhelmed by site visitors and will be upgraded ASAP.

]]> By: StraightGuyHere http://www.queerty.com/the-second-stonewall-five-days-of-protest-in-california-20081110/#comment-95528 StraightGuyHere Mon, 10 Nov 2008 23:52:58 +0000 http://www.queerty.com/?p=32421#comment-95528 I am a pretty conservative guy on most issues, and am heterosexual. One area where I'm more liberal is gay rights. I think gays get treated miserably, and I'd love to see that change. Marriage, right to adopt, real equality - you guys deserve it all. But I've gotta tell you: the N-word vitriol, the ugly, ugly things you're saying about Catholic and Mormons, it's all working against you in a very big way. Please stop. You're setting your movement back decades with this madness. I hope you turn it around. I am a pretty conservative guy on most issues, and am heterosexual. One area where I’m more liberal is gay rights. I think gays get treated miserably, and I’d love to see that change. Marriage, right to adopt, real equality – you guys deserve it all. But I’ve gotta tell you: the N-word vitriol, the ugly, ugly things you’re saying about Catholic and Mormons, it’s all working against you in a very big way. Please stop. You’re setting your movement back decades with this madness. I hope you turn it around.

]]> By: seitan-on-a-stick http://www.queerty.com/the-second-stonewall-five-days-of-protest-in-california-20081110/#comment-95486 seitan-on-a-stick Mon, 10 Nov 2008 23:06:41 +0000 http://www.queerty.com/?p=32421#comment-95486 Kind or "Ironic" I know! At least you could wear it without "White Guilt"... http://www.jointheimpact.com/ Viva La Stonewall West (Day 6!) Kind or “Ironic” I know! At least you could wear it without “White Guilt”…

http://www.jointheimpact.com/

Viva La Stonewall West (Day 6!)

]]> By: fredo777 http://www.queerty.com/the-second-stonewall-five-days-of-protest-in-california-20081110/#comment-95470 fredo777 Mon, 10 Nov 2008 22:50:41 +0000 http://www.queerty.com/?p=32421#comment-95470 As a gay black man, I'm not a fan of the "gay is the new black" phrase. As a gay black man, I’m not a fan of the “gay is the new black” phrase.

]]> By: seitan-on-a-stick http://www.queerty.com/the-second-stonewall-five-days-of-protest-in-california-20081110/#comment-95464 seitan-on-a-stick Mon, 10 Nov 2008 22:44:54 +0000 http://www.queerty.com/?p=32421#comment-95464 Already Out: "Gay is the New Black" Tshirts (take out spaces) http://t-shirts.cafepress.com/item/gay-is-the-new-black-jr-jersey-tshirt/63260722 Viva La Stonewall West (Day 6!) Already Out: “Gay is the New Black” Tshirts (take out spaces)

http://t-shirts.cafepress.com/.....t/63260722

Viva La Stonewall West (Day 6!)

]]> By: Jon B http://www.queerty.com/the-second-stonewall-five-days-of-protest-in-california-20081110/#comment-95377 Jon B Mon, 10 Nov 2008 20:57:43 +0000 http://www.queerty.com/?p=32421#comment-95377 Hey everyone, Just wanted to mention this, there is a country-wide protest being planned for Saturday, November 15th. The protests are being planned in every major city across the country, you can find information about your city, or the city closest to you here: http://www.jointheimpact.com/. We really need to keep the motivation going. Let's get creative and move this wave forward! Hey everyone,

Just wanted to mention this, there is a country-wide protest being planned for Saturday, November 15th. The protests are being planned in every major city across the country, you can find information about your city, or the city closest to you here: http://www.jointheimpact.com/. We really need to keep the motivation going. Let’s get creative and move this wave forward!

]]> By: DairyQueen http://www.queerty.com/the-second-stonewall-five-days-of-protest-in-california-20081110/#comment-95253 DairyQueen Mon, 10 Nov 2008 18:11:39 +0000 http://www.queerty.com/?p=32421#comment-95253 UMmm I guess nothing happen in the rest of the State? What about Sacramento? We have had rallies with good size number (1000 +) since Wednesday. Yesterday we 11/09 we had a crowd of over 4000. If you are going to give a run down of rallies in CA, don't forget the non mega gayvilles. There were little protest in tiny towns all over this weekend. That should be the real stories. Brave people are standing up in these small communities. UMmm I guess nothing happen in the rest of the State? What about Sacramento? We have had rallies with good size number (1000 +) since Wednesday. Yesterday we 11/09 we had a crowd of over 4000. If you are going to give a run down of rallies in CA, don’t forget the non mega gayvilles. There were little protest in tiny towns all over this weekend. That should be the real stories. Brave people are standing up in these small communities.

]]> By: conrad http://www.queerty.com/the-second-stonewall-five-days-of-protest-in-california-20081110/#comment-95229 conrad Mon, 10 Nov 2008 17:40:11 +0000 http://www.queerty.com/?p=32421#comment-95229 equating these gay marriage protests with stonewall has to be the most atrocious mis-representation and deluding of historically significant protest in contemporary queer politics. stonewall was a fucking riot for self determination! gay marriage is some assimilationist bullshit. the queers and trannies of color that fought the cops in the 60's are surely rolling in their graves at such awful comparisons… equating these gay marriage protests with stonewall has to be the most atrocious mis-representation and deluding of historically significant protest in contemporary queer politics.

stonewall was a fucking riot for self determination! gay marriage is some assimilationist bullshit. the queers and trannies of color that fought the cops in the 60′s are surely rolling in their graves at such awful comparisons…

]]> By: Kyler http://www.queerty.com/the-second-stonewall-five-days-of-protest-in-california-20081110/#comment-95226 Kyler Mon, 10 Nov 2008 17:39:14 +0000 http://www.queerty.com/?p=32421#comment-95226 @<a href="#comment-95193" rel="nofollow">Trenton</a>: I agree, the emphasis needs to be national, rights for GLBTQ in CA is great but national protests are needed because we as a community need to demand rights all over. We don't even have acceptable hate crime legislation on the books. NATIONAL FIGHT, NATIONAL PROTESTS, NATIONAL RIGHTS! @Trenton: I agree, the emphasis needs to be national, rights for GLBTQ in CA is great but national protests are needed because we as a community need to demand rights all over. We don’t even have acceptable hate crime legislation on the books. NATIONAL FIGHT, NATIONAL PROTESTS, NATIONAL RIGHTS!

]]> By: mark http://www.queerty.com/the-second-stonewall-five-days-of-protest-in-california-20081110/#comment-95223 mark Mon, 10 Nov 2008 17:26:49 +0000 http://www.queerty.com/?p=32421#comment-95223 here is a link to films in competition for Sundance Film Festival Let them each hear from us, concerning Utah Boycott http://www.sundance.org/festival/press_industry/releases/2008_films_in_competition.asp here is a link to films in competition for Sundance Film Festival

Let them each hear from us, concerning Utah Boycott
http://www.sundance.org/festiv.....tition.asp

]]> By: mark http://www.queerty.com/the-second-stonewall-five-days-of-protest-in-california-20081110/#comment-95195 mark Mon, 10 Nov 2008 16:25:52 +0000 http://www.queerty.com/?p=32421#comment-95195 re-name Sundance Film Festival...this year Make it "Sundance in EXILE Film Festival", this makes it clear to Utah that their actions caused this move THIS year, and if they leave LGBT people's Human Rights alone, the festival will return. I would argue HOW FESTIVE is a film festival when one group is made to feel EXCLUDED? re-name Sundance Film Festival…this year

Make it “Sundance in EXILE Film Festival”, this makes it clear to Utah that their actions caused this move THIS year, and if they leave LGBT people’s Human Rights alone, the festival will return.
I would argue HOW FESTIVE is a film festival when one group is made to feel EXCLUDED?

]]> By: Trenton http://www.queerty.com/the-second-stonewall-five-days-of-protest-in-california-20081110/#comment-95193 Trenton Mon, 10 Nov 2008 16:22:21 +0000 http://www.queerty.com/?p=32421#comment-95193 There was a protest outside of the LDS church in downtown Seattle, but only 50 or so people showed. I hope we can start to match these numbers even in a small measure, because this IS a national fight (have we already forgotten that Prop 2 also passed?). There was a protest outside of the LDS church in downtown Seattle, but only 50 or so people showed. I hope we can start to match these numbers even in a small measure, because this IS a national fight (have we already forgotten that Prop 2 also passed?).

]]> By: fredo777 http://www.queerty.com/the-second-stonewall-five-days-of-protest-in-california-20081110/#comment-95190 fredo777 Mon, 10 Nov 2008 16:20:29 +0000 http://www.queerty.com/?p=32421#comment-95190 @<a href="#comment-95160" rel="nofollow">jack</a>: "don't be surprised when blood is spilled" We have to be very wise with the word choices we make around here, considering the fact that we already know a lot of the righties troll these boards (+ this one, specifically) for quotes that build their case for how "dangerous" + "intolerant" we are. Let's not give them any more ammo, even if it's just in the form of a statement that can be taken as a threat against our opposition. @jack:

“don’t be surprised when blood is spilled”

We have to be very wise with the word choices we make around here, considering the fact that we already know a lot of the righties troll these boards (+ this one, specifically) for quotes that build their case for how “dangerous” + “intolerant” we are.

Let’s not give them any more ammo, even if it’s just in the form of a statement that can be taken as a threat against our opposition.

]]> By: Jesse http://www.queerty.com/the-second-stonewall-five-days-of-protest-in-california-20081110/#comment-95184 Jesse Mon, 10 Nov 2008 16:04:40 +0000 http://www.queerty.com/?p=32421#comment-95184 Please write to your senators, and representatives asking for a full repeal of DOMA, the defense of marriage act. Even if all 50 states adopt equal marriage, those marriages can never be recognized an a federal level while DOMA is in place. Please write to your senators, and representatives asking for a full repeal of DOMA, the defense of marriage act. Even if all 50 states adopt equal marriage, those marriages can never be recognized an a federal level while DOMA is in place.

]]> By: The Gay Numbers http://www.queerty.com/the-second-stonewall-five-days-of-protest-in-california-20081110/#comment-95183 The Gay Numbers Mon, 10 Nov 2008 15:59:23 +0000 http://www.queerty.com/?p=32421#comment-95183 Paul perhaps that's why we are the last to get our rights. I am not advocating real discord. I am just pointing out that it took the image of a Malcolm X to give me the sense that things got to change and go with the much safer Martin Luther King. Perhaps we need an Act Up again that is not civil to let everyone know that there is something we have at stake here? Paul perhaps that’s why we are the last to get our rights. I am not advocating real discord. I am just pointing out that it took the image of a Malcolm X to give me the sense that things got to change and go with the much safer Martin Luther King. Perhaps we need an Act Up again that is not civil to let everyone know that there is something we have at stake here?

]]> By: Paul Raposo http://www.queerty.com/the-second-stonewall-five-days-of-protest-in-california-20081110/#comment-95178 Paul Raposo Mon, 10 Nov 2008 15:40:41 +0000 http://www.queerty.com/?p=32421#comment-95178 Wow! When LGBTQ's throw a protest, its peaceful: No looting; no assaulting bystanders; no assaults on the police; and no property damage. When everyone else throws a protest, it absolute mayhem. And we're the people that America needs protecting from? Wow!

When LGBTQ’s throw a protest, its peaceful: No looting; no assaulting bystanders; no assaults on the police; and no property damage.

When everyone else throws a protest, it absolute mayhem.

And we’re the people that America needs protecting from?

]]> By: Qjersey http://www.queerty.com/the-second-stonewall-five-days-of-protest-in-california-20081110/#comment-95177 Qjersey Mon, 10 Nov 2008 15:37:04 +0000 http://www.queerty.com/?p=32421#comment-95177 Well it is clear that it is time for another March on Washington, it has been 8 years! and we have to hold Hopbama accoutable to our communities. "The Million March for Marriage" Spring 2009 okay HRC and NGLTF, get on it NOW Well it is clear that it is time for another March on Washington, it has been 8 years! and we have to hold Hopbama accoutable to our communities.

“The Million March for Marriage” Spring 2009

okay HRC and NGLTF, get on it NOW

]]> By: technicolornina http://www.queerty.com/the-second-stonewall-five-days-of-protest-in-california-20081110/#comment-95176 technicolornina Mon, 10 Nov 2008 15:36:31 +0000 http://www.queerty.com/?p=32421#comment-95176 I smell change. I smell change.

]]> By: Anarchos http://www.queerty.com/the-second-stonewall-five-days-of-protest-in-california-20081110/#comment-95170 Anarchos Mon, 10 Nov 2008 15:21:42 +0000 http://www.queerty.com/?p=32421#comment-95170 For those of you in New York, there is a planned demonstration at the Mormon Temple in Manhattan at Columbus & 65th, this Wednesday from 630 to 8. Let's show our brothers and sisters in California the support they deserve and tell the Mormon Church it's NOT okay for them to get involved in political and legislative matters. For those of you in New York, there is a planned demonstration at the Mormon Temple in Manhattan at Columbus & 65th, this Wednesday from 630 to 8. Let’s show our brothers and sisters in California the support they deserve and tell the Mormon Church it’s NOT okay for them to get involved in political and legislative matters.

]]> By: Lieven http://www.queerty.com/the-second-stonewall-five-days-of-protest-in-california-20081110/#comment-95169 Lieven Mon, 10 Nov 2008 15:21:22 +0000 http://www.queerty.com/?p=32421#comment-95169 Hey, coming from Belgium (where we have gay marriage), comes our unconditional support. Don't let down! Keep protesting! Change will come in California too. We are totally behind your fight, because it is still our fight too. Discrimination is wrong; we need education and the understanding that marriage is a civil issue, not religion. Love. Hey, coming from Belgium (where we have gay marriage), comes our unconditional support. Don’t let down! Keep protesting! Change will come in California too. We are totally behind your fight, because it is still our fight too. Discrimination is wrong; we need education and the understanding that marriage is a civil issue, not religion. Love.

]]> By: Kyler http://www.queerty.com/the-second-stonewall-five-days-of-protest-in-california-20081110/#comment-95162 Kyler Mon, 10 Nov 2008 14:44:21 +0000 http://www.queerty.com/?p=32421#comment-95162 We need to bring some of theses protest to the Washington DC Metropolitan Area!! This is very inspiring! We need to bring some of theses protest to the Washington DC Metropolitan Area!! This is very inspiring!

]]> By: tallskin http://www.queerty.com/the-second-stonewall-five-days-of-protest-in-california-20081110/#comment-95161 tallskin Mon, 10 Nov 2008 14:43:11 +0000 http://www.queerty.com/?p=32421#comment-95161 FANTASTIC! Good on you guys, keep up the pressure I wish I were over your side of the pond, cos I miss the smell of cordite, the sound of yelling, whistles and angry queens! FANTASTIC! Good on you guys, keep up the pressure

I wish I were over your side of the pond, cos I miss the smell of cordite, the sound of yelling, whistles and angry queens!

]]> By: jack http://www.queerty.com/the-second-stonewall-five-days-of-protest-in-california-20081110/#comment-95160 jack Mon, 10 Nov 2008 14:42:18 +0000 http://www.queerty.com/?p=32421#comment-95160 its easy to "should" on the current efforts. better to save it for the coffee table convos, and focus our energy on doing something constructive, like hit the streets. large numbers are newsworthy. don't be surprised when blood is spilled. it is going to happen, and it is the cost of revolt. i remember the 60's. learn from the old-timers. jack its easy to “should” on the current efforts. better to save it for the coffee table convos, and focus our energy on doing something constructive, like hit the streets. large numbers are newsworthy.

don’t be surprised when blood is spilled. it is going to happen, and it is the cost of revolt.

i remember the 60′s. learn from the old-timers.

jack

]]> By: fredo777 http://www.queerty.com/the-second-stonewall-five-days-of-protest-in-california-20081110/#comment-95159 fredo777 Mon, 10 Nov 2008 14:35:27 +0000 http://www.queerty.com/?p=32421#comment-95159 We should have had this kind of organization + passion <i>beforehand</i>. Damnit. Beautiful sight, though, I'll admit. We should have had this kind of organization + passion beforehand.

Damnit. Beautiful sight, though, I’ll admit.

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