This Is Not a KKK Rally
 
 

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THE SHOT — As part of commemorating International Day Against Homophobia & Transphobia, supporters in northern Mexico don these outfits to showcase hatred. The coffin? That represents victims of persecution.

 
 
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Comments (53)

No. 1 · AlwaysGay

Having upside down pink triangles attached to white robes is really offensive. The KKK is against LGBT people.

Posted: May 19, 2009 at 10:49 am
No. 2 · JJ

what? I don't get it. Is this a joke?

Posted: May 19, 2009 at 10:50 am
No. 3 · Chitown Kev

Queerty is really sinking into the shithole. I get that this is Mexico but shit, the editors are really stupid for posting this with no context.

Posted: May 19, 2009 at 10:57 am
No. 4 · Geoff

Looks like there's context to me in the caption below the pic, maybe that was just added. This is one of those demonstrations where some local activist comes up with a 'great idea' that isn't thought through very well.

I was just thinking this morning how the reporting and content level seem to have gone up lately in many respects. Thanks Queerty!

Posted: May 19, 2009 at 11:04 am
No. 5 · ask ena

I wouldn't say offensive…perhaps a little mixed up. I think their message is not best communicated through this combination of references. The pink triangles on the white robes and the rainbow flag on the coffin sort of contradict each other, no?

Posted: May 19, 2009 at 11:06 am
No. 6 · CitizenGeek

Confusing sure, but it's inventive and attention-grabbing and the point it's making (hate = bad) is a good one. I like it.

Posted: May 19, 2009 at 11:28 am
No. 7 · Alec

What?

I'm afraid I just don't get it. While the KKK is opposed to gay people, they're not really known for that. A more honest depiction would use an evangelical pastor, frankly. And the upside down triangles are just confusing.

Posted: May 19, 2009 at 11:34 am
No. 8 · Chitown Kev

@Alec:

This is supposedly taking place in Mexico. Queerty provide no context or no link for context. And I can't find this image on the Web, either.

Posted: May 19, 2009 at 11:36 am
No. 9 · kmr76

I don't think this is meant to be a reference to the KKK at all. The hoods are called capirotes, and they're worn with the robes during Holy Week processions in Spain and Mexico–dating back well before the KKK ever existed. I think the protesters here are trying to evoke religion. The costumes are jarring to Americans, but they have a very different connotation in Roman Catholic countries. Is the KKK even in Mexico?

See this, if you're interested (in Spanish):
http://www.erroreshistoricos.c.....uchon.html

Posted: May 19, 2009 at 11:37 am
No. 10 · Chitown Kev

@kmr76:
Thank you for the context.

They use these hoods in Italy too. I'll research this more. The KKK is also anti-Catholic, so this made no sense whatsoever.

Posted: May 19, 2009 at 11:43 am
No. 11 · Alec

@Chitown Kev: Yeah. Although if what is KMR76 is stating is true, it makes much more sense, as the KKK is not exactly something one would use as a cultural reference in Mexico. On the other hand, it would probably have a dual meaning, and perhaps that was the intent. If so, it is very clever.

Posted: May 19, 2009 at 11:43 am
No. 12 · Chitown Kev
Posted: May 19, 2009 at 11:48 am
No. 13 · strumpetwindsock

Can we get a bit more sensational?

[img]http://reclaimtheswastika.com/images/edmonton_swastikas_s.jpg[/img]

Want to know what the picture is actually about?
http://reclaimtheswastika.com

Posted: May 19, 2009 at 11:48 am
No. 14 · JJ

@Chitown Kev: This kind of context would have been extremely helpful, Queerty, for your US-based readership

Posted: May 19, 2009 at 11:50 am
No. 15 · Chitown Kev

@strumpetwindsock:

I knew that about the swastika, that it originated in India.

Posted: May 19, 2009 at 11:53 am
No. 16 · Chitown Kev

And it onlky took until post 10 to figure this out.

Sorry queerty, 35 posts tops on this.

Posted: May 19, 2009 at 11:57 am
No. 17 · Tony

The concept of deliberate irony escapes many it seems.

Posted: May 19, 2009 at 11:57 am
No. 18 · kevin (not that one)

Are you people ignorant?

That style of robe is worn by worshippers of the Catholic Church in Spanish-speaking countries.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capirote
(Thanks ChiTown Kev!_

Um hello? Mexico? Can you put things in a cultural context?

Maybe if some of you weren't so damn reflexively anti-Christian and USA-centric you would bother to learn about some of the mannerisms and customs that form one of the largest religions in the world.

Posted: May 19, 2009 at 12:03 pm
No. 19 · strumpetwindsock

@Tony:
No, we got that.

It just might have helped the story to point out that the outfits were not a satirical gibe at the KKK, but had an entirely different meaning.

The way it is some people might misinterpret it as a joke in very bad taste.

Posted: May 19, 2009 at 12:04 pm
No. 20 · Tony

@strumpetwindsock: Irony is often ineffective as it escapes most people.

Posted: May 19, 2009 at 12:08 pm
No. 21 · strumpetwindsock

@Tony:
Although Queerty was being ironic, the people in the original ceremony were not (at least not about the KKK – the funeral WAS dark satire).

Posted: May 19, 2009 at 12:10 pm
No. 22 · Chitown Kev

@Tony:

There's multiple levels of irony here, th KKK is also anti-Catholic yet this is the origin of their garb.

Posted: May 19, 2009 at 12:11 pm
No. 23 · JJ

@Tony: The title of this post obfuscates the meaning of the photograph. I understand the deliberate irony of the picture but why the reference to KKK at all?

& @kevin (not that one): You're criticizing the wrong people here. If anything, Queerty has a tendency to promote anti-Christian and US-centric values, not its readership.

Posted: May 19, 2009 at 12:11 pm
No. 24 · strumpetwindsock

@Tony:
I agree with you completely.And if you have to spell it out it ruins it.

Unfortunately though, satire often doesn't translate well (like a lot of cultural references).

Posted: May 19, 2009 at 12:13 pm
No. 25 · strumpetwindsock

@Chitown Kev:
like the mormons and the masons.

Posted: May 19, 2009 at 12:16 pm
No. 26 · Tony

Sometimes I will say something completely offensive about a group other than LGBT people that is a direct analogy to something that is commonly said regarding LGBT people or the LGBT Community. Most times I have to debrief the individual or individuals I am talking to to explain the irony and the analogy.

If they get it, I can often make the point I am trying to make with greater impact than if I didn't use this tactic. Many times however I have been misquoted as stating or supporting something I am completely against. The use of irony in communication relies on the assumption that the audience has the capacity to understand the meaning. Good communication communicates, and irony, however biting and clever often fails to meet the goal of clear communication.

Posted: May 19, 2009 at 12:35 pm
No. 27 · strumpetwindsock

@Tony:
Many times however I have been misquoted as stating or supporting something I am completely against.

Well I don't think you have to ever worry about that happening on this site.

Posted: May 19, 2009 at 12:38 pm
No. 28 · Alec

Tony,

Of course, when you do that, you do it within a certain cultural setting. There's bound to be a failure of communication if you make an immediate reference, for example here, to the KKK, but fail to make the reference to the capirotes.

Clearly, the protest here was meant to evoke both. But (most of) the American audience isn't going to be familiar with Spanish Catholic garb, only the KKK reference.

Posted: May 19, 2009 at 12:40 pm
No. 29 · strumpetwindsock

@Alec:
That's the thing…

I wouldn't assume they are making any reference to the KKK at all.
I think it's a mock funeral, with no other layers of meaning.

Posted: May 19, 2009 at 12:43 pm
No. 30 · Chitown Kev

@strumpetwindsock:

It's all Obama's fault for not explaining this.

Posted: May 19, 2009 at 12:45 pm
No. 31 · Alec

@Chitown Kev: Well that goes without saying.

Posted: May 19, 2009 at 12:48 pm
No. 32 · strumpetwindsock

@Chitown Kev:
LOL

Now there's the lesson in all this – if you push things too far you wind up being a mockery of yourself.

Posted: May 19, 2009 at 12:52 pm
No. 33 · Landon Bryce

@Chitown Kev:

What do you bet Obama does not even mention this photo when he makes his trip to Mexico? I'm mad already!!!!!

Posted: May 19, 2009 at 12:54 pm
No. 34 · Chitown Kev

@Landon Bryce:

LOL

Posted: May 19, 2009 at 12:56 pm
No. 35 · strumpetwindsock

Actually that guy in back on the right looks like me might BE Obama.

I bet he talked them all into making this insulting joke.

Posted: May 19, 2009 at 1:00 pm
No. 36 · Chitown Kev

@strumpetwindsock:

Nah, Obama is the tall guy on the left, you know that's the only place Obama will stand.

Of course both guys could be Obama, being that he's a "magic negro" and all of that. LOL

Posted: May 19, 2009 at 1:05 pm
No. 37 · Tony

You Obamabots have a one tracked mind!! When you masturbate do you imagine his face on bodys that do not have sagging breasteses like his, and aren't damn near 50?? Just curious, since you love love love him so.

Do you have Obamagasms???

Posted: May 19, 2009 at 3:10 pm
No. 38 · Tony

oops I meant "bodies"

Posted: May 19, 2009 at 3:10 pm
No. 39 · Tony

Ohhh, Ohhh, Ohhhhbama (Sound of Obamabot when savior speaks…)

Posted: May 19, 2009 at 3:11 pm
No. 40 · Luis

It reminds me of Dave Chapelle's KKK spoof.

Posted: May 19, 2009 at 3:15 pm
No. 41 · Alec

@Tony: President Obama's supporters have a one track mind? The queerty editors are so simple minded they had to delete a post on Jenny Durkan, the first openly gay nominee for a US attorney post, because they erroneously claimed she wasn't subject to senate confirmation: http://www.shewired.com/Articl.....p;ID=22796

I think we know who has the one track mind here.

Posted: May 19, 2009 at 3:15 pm
No. 42 · Fred Walker

Queerty should do a series on what it means to be lgbt or whatever, because I feel that a lot of it's viewers have a pretty egocentric view of who the lgbt's are, and even the society at large, but let's keep "Queertycentric" lol.

Posted: May 19, 2009 at 3:21 pm
No. 43 · strumpetwindsock

@Tony:
Yes!! Yes!!! But Obama MAKES us do it!

@Alec:
Speaking of which, look at how that rainbow flag is TOUCHING the symbol of our oppressors.

Obama probably didn't need to convince them to stage this little "protest". I bet they were happy to do it because they're not even gay at all.

They're counterrevolutionaries trying to get us to let down our guard against the skypixie worshipping christers and undermine our worldwide movement.

Posted: May 19, 2009 at 3:31 pm
No. 44 · Tony

strumpetwindsock

So clever. Yawn.

Posted: May 19, 2009 at 4:33 pm
No. 45 · Tony

Hey Alec, I never saw the post you mentioned being deleted. Maybe it was here maybe it wasn't. You Obamabots see all kinds of things that aren't there. Like the best friend the LGBT Community has ever had, or change we can believe in.

Posted: May 19, 2009 at 4:35 pm
No. 46 · Chitown Kev

@Tony:
I saw it, it was there with 4 comments.

Posted: May 19, 2009 at 4:37 pm
No. 47 · Alec

@Tony: It was there, as Chitown Kev notes. It was deleted, mysteriously and without explanation. Which is strange, I mean, it is gay-related….you might think there was an inherent bias here against reporting good news from Obama…

Posted: May 19, 2009 at 4:41 pm
No. 48 · Chitown Kev

@Alec:

Although my name automatically designates me as an Obamabot, I suppose.

Posted: May 19, 2009 at 4:44 pm
No. 49 · Fred Walker

@Tony: I guess Queerty likes to dilute relevant issues with lame advertising, Anderson Cooper, flame war inducing Obamanews and dull airbrushed narcissists. Ok, true, this isn't fair, me love me some narcissists hubby.

Posted: May 19, 2009 at 4:46 pm
No. 50 · strumpetwindsock

@Tony:

Gee… I thought you were joking (the rest of us are, near as I can tell).

And hey, I didn't even vote for him.

I also saw the post pre-deletion (or perhaps it is just Obama's mysterious power to cloud men's minds).

Posted: May 19, 2009 at 4:53 pm
No. 51 · mb00

As an ex-Skinhead myself, I know for a fact that there are Neo-Nazi Skinheads in Mexico, so I wouldn't be surprised if there were also KKK there as well.
That being said, I didn't need to read the caption text below the photo to understand the message that they're making. It was pretty cut & dry to me.
They're making a very loud and very disturbing message about Homophobia. In that it is a very ugly and scary thing.
I applaud them.

Posted: May 19, 2009 at 10:39 pm
No. 52 · Jason

In my Fraternity in College we burned crosses for some of our ceremonies and it had no racial or discrimination meaning to it, however no one could see past their pre-concieved views and the practice was stopped. Its a shame as it was really cool to see this done at night in the quarries.

Posted: May 20, 2009 at 10:43 am
No. 53 · Caire

Oh white people.

Posted: May 20, 2009 at 1:49 pm
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