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If she wishes to use statistics, she would probably interested in reading an article I read in one of my brother’s athletic magazines that stated 75% of heterosexual men and women between the ages of 20 and 35 have a STI, most of which are unknown to the carrier. The doctor who wrote the article also lamented the fact that many heterosexual people think of STIs as a “gay thing” and feel it safe enough to have unprotected sex. Indeed, the heterosexual community, at least in America (and I’d imagine elsewhere) have certainly seen a great increase in promiscuity and unsafe sex practices. I was also reading an opinion piece in a local paper that opined the gay community is far more responsible than the heterosexual community in promoting safe sex and sexual health awareness. Indeed, from what I can tell, the heterosexual community is far less dependable in giving its children and members solid safe sex advice.

With the above said, I do not understand how Thio can say that homosexual sex is so much worse than the unsafe heterosexual sex that occurs. For sure, given the fact that the heterosexual community is so much greater in size than the homosexual community, it can be assumed there are far greater numbers of heterosexuals that engage in “problem sex” and procure the consequences of such. This is further augmented by the fact that she is only attacking gay men, which only makes up for about half the gay community, making the number even smaller. Perhaps when looking at the issue through proportions the numbers may change (I really don’t know the actual numbers), but the sheer number of irresponsible heterosexuals is far more discouraging that the smaller number in the gay community.

If Thio is primarily concerned with the public good and sexual health, well she had better start considering and admonishing the far larger and growing number of irresponsible heterosexuals whose sexual acts certainly do not further the public good by spreading disease and result in pregnancies that either result in abortions or young parents incapable of caring for their children, who endure financial strain from the burden of a beautiful child. I simply cannot stand people who claim heterosexual sex is so much more beneficial to the public when it is capable of burdening society with just as many, if not more, problems. Of course, heterosexual sex maybe more natural and perhaps that is something to preserve at the expense of homosexual rights, that certainly can be debated. However, she could at least acknowledge the fact that problem sex is not a solely homosexual problem and that the cleansing of the public good does not stop at homosexuality.

As far as the “religious” and moral arguments go, all that stuff is relative. Reasonable minds can differ over whether homosexuality is a direction in which society should go morally. However, when the issue becomes one of public good and health, hypocrisy is something that must be acknowledged. To say that a fixing a smaller problem will help but then ignoring a far greater, more pervasive problem is not only illogical, but it is irresponsible and bad form.

Check out the flamers in the comments.. that is where many Singaporean are right now, and the Thios are just leading the way.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIsgB_tqx_Q

Fine if you’re paying school fees to debate with a homophobe but NOT ok if you’re paying good money for a lame speaker who doesn’t live up to her credentials.

the OED defintes cunt as an unpleasant or stupid person. and no we don’t always HAVE to have the sexist remarks. as schlukitz says: “if the shoe fits”

Do we always have to have the sexist remarks? Why isn’t it enough that she’s a bigot and a homophobe? Does she also have to be labeled a bitch and a cunt?

If the shoe fits….

(i am singaporean gay man and utterly HATE this woman for the lies she tells in parliament, representing the ultra conservative religious twats that infect the singaporean government)

Seriously, Does the bitch realize that, by her own debate standards, I can just declare her arguments flawed, without any other hard work on my part? Just like her train-wreck of a speech?

It’s self contradictory, too, for presumably that’s a cultural belief.

Because no one is really a multiculturalist who believes that all traditions and beliefs are equally worthy. It’s the most sharp form of hypocrisy there is.

I included debate for two reasons–apparently the school’s lgbt group would like to get in a debate with her, and the whole notion of diversity for diversity’s sake is founded upon some nebulous notion of “all sides of everything” provide a healthy discourse and debate in schools and that’s just not true. Maybe in an ideal where beliefs didn’t have consequences, but not in the real world.

That’s true. There is a difference between debating and teaching.

But for clarification, I don’t see any legitimate platform to debate people who think rape in any and/or all circumstances is morally acceptable (and it’s my argument that people who are opposed to homosexuality on moral grounds are a lot closer to these fictional people (or are they real? who knows…) than they could ever fathom). As for NAMBLA, how could a pro NAMBLA/ anti nambla debate at, say, a prestigious university be the least be instructive? How does infusing that view (nambla’s) with value by acknowledging it (considering it worthy of debate in the public square) serve a socially redeeming purpose? Surely it’s not to demonstrate that pederasty is wrong…because there aren’t a lot of people who wake up wondering every morning…okay.

This is a particularly insidious and harmful “argument” being advanced here. It is also very common in “higher” education amongst people who aren’t very intelligent, it seems. It is as follows.

If there exists antigay beliefs in cultures throughout the world, then those antigay opinions should be taught in schools.

Antecedent.

Consequent.

It rests on the notion that diversity is important for its own sake, and that’s simply not true for any number of reductio arguments–e.g., it is important to teach the methods of female genital mutilation, for example, because there are cultures that practice it. There are some things we do not need to learn about in schools, and one of those things is bigotry. By teaching bigotry in schools (and being taught by bigots) masked in “multicultural education,” you are giving some forms of bigotry tacit endorsement as WORTHY OF BEING TAUGHT TO PEOPLE. IF something is worthy of being taught, then the school believes it is worth being learned; and something that is worth being learned is not something that is condemned by the school. So it calls into question any school’s commitment to the basic human dignity of all of its students, and moreso, of all people, by clearly preferencing some people above others.

Notice that this doesn’t apply to teaching about the third reich. In teaching about nazi germany, one is teaching about an historical period–not teaching antisemitism to children. This amounts to teaching the ideas themselves (sexism 101, homophobia seminars, and the basics of racism) connected to religion and cultural identity–ideas (like homophobia) that have no socially redeeming value.

Or is it just that he has behaved less than honorably in certain situations involving federal judges…?

on one hand, i’m appalled. on the other hand, in a free society, it’s an interesting idea.

If gay people in Ney York City had any dignity they would be tearing down the walls (or some such approximation).

In case nobody caught it, the American higher educational system has been grotesquely deformed into a platform of Right Wing contortions(e.g. business and related subjects) There are nearly no Liberal Arts; the basis of a enlightened education:Now what is left of that is apparently being twisted into a fascist circus.

This is a real battleground for Gay rights: what people learn.
Isn’t it sufficient that the boobs in church are indocterinated day in and day out.

I’d love to absolutely humiliate her in front of a huge lecture hall by shooting down even just one of her pathetic excuses why she thinks this kind of discrimination is alright.