So Tracy Morgan has issued another apology calling his own words “hurtful”, “indefensible”, “wrong” and “really stupid shit.” He also has said that if he had a gay son, he would love him as much as he would a straight son if not more, to protect him from the difficulties homos face in society (are you listening, Ann Coulter?). But does this seal the deal for Morgan’s spoken apology requirement? And if so, what should his next steps be?
Recently Morgan told hip-hop mogul Russell Simmons:
I guess the reason I am successful is because I am so unfiltered. And sometimes as a result I say really stupid shit. The truth is if I had a gay son, I would love him just as much as if he was straight … I might have to try to love even more because I know of the difficulty that he would have in society.
Of all the sicknesses, there is probably none more abusive than homophobia. My heart is committed to giving everyone the same rights that I deserve for myself. I don’t care if you love the same sex as long as you have the ability to love someone. Also, you should have the right no matter who you are to protect and serve our country. I am deeply sorry for the comments I made. What I am most sad about is the comments I made about kids and bullying. I would never want any young person to think that I wasn’t on their side and if any young person thinks they can bully a young gay kid, come see me at 30 Rock. On the corner, I would be happy to meet you. Or Brooklyn if you can’t make it into Manhattan.
When all of this set in, I realized how hurtful my words were. Not asking anyone to feel sorry for me or pity me, but I definitely don’t want or need people to defend me. In my heart, I know that the words I used are indefensible. I appreciate the love from my friends and fans, but I was wrong. Period. Now, I just gotta think of some funny shit, not some shit that gets me knocked upside my head.
This is not about any intimidation [that I might lose my job or face severe career consequences], this is about what’s right.
By speaking with Simmons, it looks like Morgan wants his apology to reach the African-American community—a smart move for him to begin making amends. He has also said that he wants to meet with bullied gay kids and speak at a gay marriage rally. Oh my…
But while some have called for Morgan to basically disappear from the American comedy scene, it’s a lot more useful to have him remain and continue working towards mutual understanding. So what should his next moves be?
How about we take this to the next level?
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JordanMeehan
Not buying it. He can shut his homophobic mouth and sit his ass down.
rodca
Later update from GLAAD
http://t.co/wdoyxB5
Truthful
Eh, I’m buying it.
Jess
Well, for me anyway, I see no reason to hold a grudge and hate a man I don’t even know because he said some /very/ stupid shit. Was it offensive? Yes, very much so. Did he apologize? Again, yes. To me, this one seems sincere, so I’m over it. If something like this were to happen again, I’d have more of an issue, but for now, I feel that it’s time to forgive.
I understand why not everyone might feel this way, though.
COCO
@Jess: Exactly. He has apologized. He has gone even gone further than I expected. Agreed to meet with real victims of gay violence. I forgive him.I guess some people want him fired. I don’t see that happening.
EdWoody
That seems much more sincere than before. Now he just has to back up his words with actions.
But I still don’t see any kind of explanation as to how he ever thought it was okay to say those words in the first place. If he believes what he claims he does, why say those things at all? Does he not write his “comedy” in advance? If so, why not say good things, rather than say bad things and then apologize, saying you didn’t mean it?
skzip888
Apparently, you CAN hide behind the Black community to protect your own blatently dismissive homophobia.
It worked for Eminem.
EdWoody
@EdWoody: Also, impressed that he knows the word “indefensible.”
AndrewC
OMG! I CAN’T BELIEVE NBC WON’T FIRE HIS ASS. WTF! IF HE SAID SOMETHING RACIST HE WOULD BE TOAST, LIEE EVERY NEWS NETWORK WOULD BE REPORTING IT. BUT NOT IF IT’S HOMOPHOBIA.SO, HE GETS AWAY WITH THIS? KOBE ALSO GOT AWAY WITHOUT A SCRATCH! I AM SO ANGRY! WHY DO PEOPLE CONTINUE TO LOVE HIM AFTER WHAT HE SAID?
DanINny
@COCO: A lot of people are not happy that He gets to keep his job just because he said sorry.His interview with Russell was like two BFFs hanging out.Tina Fays saying that Tracy is ” too sleepy to hate anyone.It feels like most people are on his side and not our side.This has been very depressing for me
Kieran
Michael Richards was drummed out of show business for shouting ‘nigger’ during a comedy routine and Rick Sanchez was fired and hasn’t been heard from since when he inferred that Jews control the newsmedia. In each of these cases the message was clear and unequivocal to everyone. Now along comes Tracy Morgan encouraging parents to murder their “effeminate” gay sons and accusing the media of programming kids to be gay. What will the penalty for this be? Having a sit-down with gay teens and their parents perhaps? Doing a public service announcement for GLAAD and maybe throw in the Special Olympics too for good measure?
James
Why do people keep saying that if he said something racist he would have been fired?I don’t think that’s true.
Red Meat
Hey gays, go waste your rants on Ann Coulter, who deserves it.
AlterPride Project
Wow there are actually people who say he shouldn’t be forgiven and his apologies are worthless. Does that say something MORE about the gay community than the homophobic community? Seriously, even those way out Christians at least preach the fundamental tenet of “Forgiveness”.
I guess some gays are holier than thou in the forgiveness department.
AndrewC
In America RACISM is frowned upon AND homophobia is excused.People say homophobic things to me all the time even at work, but there is ZERO tolerance for anything even remotely racist at my place of work. Black people are treated with kitty gloves. NBC is probably scared of firing Tracy because they are scared of the black community reaction.They don’t want to be seen as racist for firing a black A-list actor.
Tyler
People are going to say things for as long as we live, that being said, yeah he said some dumb shit but it was a joke. Should it be brought to light what he said, yes but to fire him or make him jump through hoops is another thing. Now if he were speaking directly to a parent about their child then it’s a different story, but it was a joke in a joking environment. Unlike the comedian from seinfield who was talking directly to people who happened to walk in his show late. Let’s all chill a bit and put this towards real malice and intent.
TheRealAdam
@AndrewC: So true. The double-standard is disgusting. That’s why the gay community needs to remain consistent about this: there must be ramifications. His employment must be terminated.
AlterPride Project
@EdWoody: Good question. I think sometimes people do and say studid things they later truly regret, but it’s too difficult for fear of further harming your reputation and further traumatizing those you’ve already offended to go into gross detail explaining the motives for wrongdoing. I think he just wants to move one because he’s probably beginning to feel terrible enough about the situation and doesn’t want to come across as making excuses.
Kev C
@skzip888: That’s how I read it also. It’s OK to offend gays because, hey, they’re fags and can’t do anything about it.
Michael
I don’t believe it. Just typical damage control b/s to try and save this bigots career-just like the pathetic responses of his ’30 Rock’ castmates (that must be their collective IQ). And it’s very much a case of say anything you like about the gay community-advocate for our deaths and all will be forgiven. Sickening.
AndrewC
@TheRealAdam: Yes. I am so tired of being treated like a second class citizen! I am not going to shut up.Tracy needs to go. Roland Martin needs to go!Kobe and the other black guy should also have been banned from NBA.Why do they get away with this. Enough!
Francisco
Ok…so his son is gay in real life….his son likes other men..I know bc I always see him at gay clubs…
Michael
There is enough infighting in our community, as well as catty bitchiness and holier than thou/I am too hot for words bullshit strewn about between us all for me to care what some comedian says. Stop calling each other fags and pussies and maybe other people will do the same.
CHYKOLAETHAI
@Tyler: cosign
Vinci S.
And, now, the differences between Morgan vs. Richards/Gibson increase even further.
As much as there are gays who are insisting that had it been another minority Morgan would be fired by now, I have to stop and wonder if all of their outrage is bearing some worthwhile fruit (no pun intended) from their labor. I have no doubt Morgan will walk the talk. And I have no doubt there will be a contingent of the gay community who will never forgive him under any circumstances.
And I take a deep breath and try to be okay with that.
CHYKOLAETHAI
@Michael: cosign
Romano
My oh my. Tracy Morgan is actually about to get through this unscathered.I guess it is considered bigotry only if it’s racist or anti semitic.Sucks to be a gay man in this country.
Vinci S.
And I would like to specify by outrage, I mean going beyond complaining to NBC in a civil manner. I mean, resorting to distortion, inappropriate language and even resorting to racist comments. Those things aren’t what the gay community is about. We can be a strong force without being intolerant, uncivil and playing the victim card. I believe in Martin Luther King, Jr and wish we had a voice like his for the gay movement.
Ceaser
@Michael: The shallowness in my community is so annoying. And we wonder why no one takes us seriously.
notnerb
The difference I see between this and Michael Richards is that Richards was on tape so that everyone could see exactly what was said and how he said it… in this case people have got the information second hand so there is no way for them to efficiently gauge how bad it was and therefore how to react.
At the moment I would say accept the apology as being sincere and hope that out of this unpleasant situation we can turn Morgan into a vocal straight ally (assuming he does the things he is promising to do). That said we also keep our eye on him in case he says similar things and if he does we come down on him like a tonne of bricks…. forgive but don’t forget
TheRealAdam
@Vinci S.: Save it. Gay activism never hinged on being complacent and “civil” in fighting for our rights and against bigotry. We acted up and we got in the majority’s faces and demanded our rights, and one-by-one they came to us. You, who now reap the benefits of those courageous activists, want to be a fence-sitting coward.
NO. We will be intolerant, we will cause a stir, and we will play the victim card – because we ARE victims.
Drag434
He won’t be fired because he is black. No one wants to fire a black man, even if they are homophobic
Shannon1981
If he had been dropping N bombs if he were white or using anti semitic slurs, he’d have no job. The same should apply here. Not satisfied.
Michael
@Vinci S.: Apologist. You sound like a black racist-or a Christianist troll feigning interest when all you’re really doing is approving of Morgan’s behavior. You can fool some of the people…
Vinci S.
@TheRealAdam
Me … who has been marching in PRIDE since 1996 … me, who volunteered at an AIDS hospice for two years … me, who has volunteered for various other gay organizations … me, who marched several times in 2008 for marriage equality …
yes, you’re right TheRealAdam, I am a fence-sitting coward who will just sit back and enjoy the benefits of everyone else’s hard work and reap the benefits.
And, yes, I will continue being civil and strong in my quest for equal rights. You may act as however you wish.
Vinci S.
@Michael.
No, no, no and no.
Anyone can go on the internet anonymously and apply misdirected labels. You’re just another example.
Joke’s on you.
TheRealAdam
@Vinci S.: “yes, you’re right TheRealAdam, I am a fence-sitting coward who will just sit back and enjoy the benefits of everyone else’s hard work and reap the benefits.”
Glad you see it my way.
Vinci S.
@TheRealAdam
Glad to see you the irony lost on you. Not surprising.
ewe
The truth is on Jay Leno years ago he said he would toss his son out of his house if he saw him lying around with a bigger dick than his. Tracy Morgan is stupid. Not funny. Stupid. He is as stupid as Michael Richards and there is NO reason why he should be treated better. Why is Tracy Morgan allowed to continue apologizing over and over as if it means anything different the fifth time? It’s over. He is a homophobic bigot.
ewe
The homophobia inside Tracy Morgan promotes racism. NOT the other way around. Let’s not forget the fact that Tracy Morgan started this and some comments are in response to the fact that Tracy Morgan started this. People hurt each other all the time when they feel defensive.
IAbuseGays
@Shannon1981: So Imus is unemployed? What about Matthews from CNBC who was surprised a black person could speak proper English? What about Ted Danson walking around with a black face? What about Gibson? What about the guy from 2 and half men attackin women? The list is pretty long of people who were in the industry a long time on a lot more than a single incident.
TheRealAdam
@Vinci S.: If I wanted to interpret it as ironic, I would have.
Drag434
@ewe: NBC should let him go. Period. Other homophobes will think they can say hateful things as long as they apologize twice like Morgan.
IAbuseGays
Having said everything I said, I think Morgan needs to shut up now. he apologized once. People are either going to accept his apology or not. The best one can do is to try to make things right. Hopefully he will go out to get involved in some gay related events to mend fences over what was a homophobic joke from the description I read of it. I think for me what would be of real value is to see him do something proactive rather than talk. As was said already on here, its easy to do that. What I want now from him and others is more action. That’s not just a comment for stars. its a comment for everyone. But for him especially he needs to do something postive beyond apologizing.
IAbuseGays
@ewe: And there we have it. His being a homophobe promotes racism. Because racism would not exist without it. The logic of a bigot. Thanks for sharing. He may or may not be a homophobe. at the very least, he sounds like he’s an idiot when i comes to gay rights, but you are not better on race than he is on gay rights.
Drag434
@IAbuseGays: He needs to be fired. Why is he being treated like an egg.
TheRealAdam
@ewe: I don’t think it promotes racism. It DOES promote anger at the hypocrisy of American blacks targeting another minority, given their history.
Carole
Get over it guys. he WON’T be fired. If you can’t accept his apology, tough luck.And,knock off all the racist shit. Makes us all look WORSE than Tracy. Yuck…..
Vinci S.
@IAbuseGays
Was Ted Danson dating Whoopi Goldberg at the time of the blackface incident? Didn’t she help him write the speech? Though it was in severe poor taste, I hardly think his motivations were malicious. Am I wrong?
IAbuseGays
@TheRealAdam: Yes of course- one black person does something- and it says something about all blacks. And you of course are not a racist at all. As I said, I have to hope you and ewe, and Jason are just sock puppets. I don’t want to believe this kind of bigotry is the norm on here.
J. Reed Braden
His apology sounds sincere. We have some educating to do, but I think we can convert him to our cause… and how awesome would that be to turn yet another homophobe (an A-lister, at that!) into a public supporter?!
Here’s what he needs to do: He’s worth $18 million, so let’s see about $350,000 of that go to, say, The Trevor Project. Also, a 30 Rock episode paralleling this where he humiliates himself publicly for his homophobia would be nice… but I’m holding out for the big donation.
Carole
@TheRealAdam: It looks a lot like racism. Come on! enough comments above are pure racist. Anger is one thing. Bigotry is Bigotry. We are no better that Mr. Morgan if we do exactly what we are calling him out for.
Vinci S.
@TheRealAdam
“If I wanted to interpret it as ironic, I would have.”
Only wants to see what he chooses, regardless of what’s there staring him in the face. Figures.
If you represent most of the gays who are up in arms about all this, all I can say is that 30 Rock is going to be even better next season.
IAbuseGays
@Vinci S.: I don’t think they were malicious either. I actually didn’t see the big deal. I found Chris Matthews behavior from CNBC actually racist. I found the joke by Danson to be tone deaf, but not intended to be racist.
I didn’t think it was that big a deal. Ultimately people will make a bad joke. To me, its not a big deal unless they really mean it. I didn’t sense Danson did.
Especially when you look at the crap that Tyler Perry does now.
I just tire of people making shit up. They claim to not be making racial statement or aren’t racist even as they post broad statements which the facts indicates are no where near reality. For example, I doubt Shannon will respond to me other than to ignore what I actually wrote or to ignore examples like Washington already being fired. The truth is that Hollywood let’s a lot of shit fly involving a lot of groups. Its the way the industry is. Its not the justify it. It just to keep things in perspective. People need to be making a stick about homophobia, etc. I agree with that. Where they cross the line into bigotry is where they make broad statements like Shannon, Read Adam, etc like to make. I said in another thread that even my comments about some whites should not be seen to mean “all whites.” I just wish some would afford people of color that same level of respect rather than reinforcing their issues over race.
IAbuseGays
@Vinci S.: No Adam does not represent the norm of gays. He’s a vocal segment. But no the norm. I think there is a reasoned discussion to be had about homophobia not just in this bad performance but also in a broad discussion of Hollywood. Unfortunately you are never going to get there with Adam around.
TheRealAdam
@Carole: There’s 100x more racism toward white gays from blacks here than the other way around. Stay on Queerty and you will see blacks call the white gays here “pig skins,” “rednecks,” “crackers,” and other names, and yet no one calls these blacks on their language. EVER. But let one non-black person say anything about blacks and the shit hits the fan. That’s hypocrisy.
@Vinci S.: Are you done? Because last time I checked, our conversation officially ended at post #42. Consider this the memo that you didn’t get.
Ogre Magi
Well, maybe some good can come of this
IAbuseGays
@Carole: Yes please stick around the cesspool where Adam will agree with comments like ‘we should not have marched with blacks in the 60s,” and say things like “blacks won’t see a movie about black lesbians” or tell a black woman that her experiences with racism was all in her head. As you can imagine, he’s really the go-to person for objective discussions about race.
Vinci S.
@IAbuseGays. I’m the last person to defend Chris Matthews, who is a grade-A douchebag. But, did he use the term “proper English”? I listened to a clip and no such phrase was used. What I got from his comment was more along the lines of feeling like he lived in a color-blind society for a short moment. I don’t get the whole “Matthews thinks most blacks speak Ebonics” vibe. But, that’s just what I inferred from a 60-second clip. Perhaps it needs to be placed in a larger context.
I can see how one might back that jump. But, that’s an awfully huge leap.
ewe
@IAbuseGays: you are manipulative. His homphobia promoted the racism you are bitching about on this blog. I am a lot better on race than he is on gay rights. You haven’t heard me put him down for being african american.
Shannon1981
@IAbuseGays: Listen, two wrongs don’t make a right. Charlie Sheen is a nutcase and a laughingstock now, Mel Gibson is on his way to washed up, and who the hell cares about Ted Danson’s bald ass anymore?
Listen, what Morgan did was wrong, and if he weren’t a raging homophobe the words never would have exited his mouth, in jest or otherwise. There is no denying his anti gay stance, and he should be punished for it.
ewe
@Drag434: I agree that he should be fired. He should be as insignificant as michael richards.
Vinci S.
@ewe
“You haven’t heard me put him down for being african american.”
Wow, how noble of you. Do you want a medal?
ewe
@TheRealAdam: Yes i agree and think anger is the same as reacting defensively. Probably even comes from a deeper place of hurt and fear.
Shannon1981
The point is to make homophobic antics in public as highly punishable as other forms of bigotry, and it isn’t on par right now. All of these people are getting off with damage control fueled “apologies” that they more than likely do not mean. It isn’t us they care about, or the kids committing suicide, or equality. It is saving face and money and careers. Not good enough.
ewe
@Vinci S.: No medal necessary cunt. Just don’t go around accusing me of things i didn’t do. Is that easy enough for you to comprehend?
IAbuseGays
@Vinci S.: You make a fair point about interpretation, but I don’t think it ultimately makes Matthews look better. He said he forgot President Obama was black during his speech. I am not a fan of Obama (I am to the left of the now right wing Democratic Party when judge by international standards), but the comment by Matthews at the very least was rooted in some sort of view of race that saw black as a negative. After all why make the comment at all? One does go in the middle of a speech by another pol, “You know, I forgot he was white for a second.” There’s a racial assumption of normalcy like there is a sexual orientation of normalcy when it comes to sexual orientation (that’s why gays can not hold hands without hearing bullshit like we are “flaunting it,” which really means any expression whatsoever for some or many).
One can be open to interpret that situation differently than I do regarding whether he meant Ebonics. But, the differentiation on race, especially the idea that one is lesser than the other, is there in what he actually said. There is no other way to interpret his statement because it was an unnecessary qualifier unless he saw black as different. I actually don’t think he’s a hard core racist guy. just biased to view black as certain things.
He just said something that a black professional experiences all too much. The idea that somehow in the minds of some, I or the President are lesser until to their shock (wow, you understood that or the one I love hearing with a look of amazement that borders on shock “you are smart.”) we are proven not to be lesser. I can get over that incident. It his insipid bullshit MSM style of journalism- on the other hand- i think I can do with out, and have done with out for about 2 years now.
Carole
@Vinci S.: LOL! Racist people can be very funny at times…..
IAbuseGays
@Shannon1981: Re-read my comment. Do I say that Morgan wasn’t wrong? In fact, the problem is you aren’t listening. Or reading since we are online. I said he’s wreong, but the reaction of you and others to justify your bias is also wrong. So I agree, two wrongs don’t make a right. His behavior does not justify your blanket statements.
Queer Supremacist
“Racist” is now just another word for “disagreeing with a liberal.” If Tracy schvartzer Morgan thinks we’re going to accept this smarmy string of lies he’s got another thing coming. Us gay white men are sick of you racist black gay Uncle Toms defending your black breeder brethren who hate black gays as much as they hate white gays. If Tracy Morgan were white you’d be joining us in calling for his ass. Bros before ‘mos, right?
We try to invite you into our community, we bend over backwards to be racially sensitive, and what thanks do we get? I have never heard a gay Asian or a gay Hispanic man or woman so obsessively, specifically hateful of gay white men. And yes, I am offended. I know racism is wrong, but sometimes I just don’t fucking care.
Vinci S.
@ ewe
“Just don’t go around accusing me of things i didn’t do”
Um … could you *cite* an example for me, please?
And, if you’re going to call me a c*nt, that’s Mr. C*nt to you. And by the way, the name is also sexist and reserved for females to use, just as I’m sure you believe f*ggot should only be used by gays.
ewe
This is about homophobia and Tracy Morgan is ground zero on this topic right now. There are some ugly minded people here who think turning it around to make Tracy Morgan the victim will make what he did seem insignificant. The way they do that is to bring up his minority status instead of addressing his homophobic rant. They are being just as dismissive of gay people as Tracy Morgan was. For example i just called Vinci S. a cunt because she is a manipulator. That does not mean i think all gay people are manipulators.
IAbuseGays
@Shannon1981: A follow up point since you seem to be sane versus some of others. I am not making mentions of those other examples to justify them. I am not mentioning them to say two wrongs make a right. I am mentioning them to challenge your belief system. To make you hopefully question the blanket statements you are making that are not actually factually true. Now, is there bigotry – including homophobia in hollywood- YES. Do I think on reading more about the performance by Morgan that it sounds – bigotted- yes. Do I think that justifies making a bad situation worse by saying untrue things? No. Morgan’s performance was bad on its own terms. It does not require any of us to make up additional untrue things.
TheRealAdam
@Queer Supremacist: Once again, a great post. Cheers.
Vinci S.
@ Queer Supremacist
And, I’m sick of white gays like you who deep down believe they’re superior to blacks.
“I know racism is wrong,” but I partake in it anyway, so you better listen to me? QS, you need a reality check. If Tracey Morgan was white, 23 and looked like a supermodel, you wouldn’t be on this site tearing him down. You’d be surfing the net for nude photos of him to beat off to.
ewe
@Vinci S.: Yes cunt. comment number 60 which was replying to someone else addressing me. You are quite wrong about the word cunt by the way. If and when a gay man calls you or a woman a cunt it is 100 times worse than if a straight man calls you or a woman a cunt because it has nothing to do with anatomy. I can’t believe you don’t know that.
TheRealAdam
@ewe: Yes, I agree. You can clearly see how these militant black queens protect their own.
Vinci S.
@ewe
This world has been cruel to you and I hope that you find peace within yourself one day. Namaste.
ewe
@Vinci S.: Do you care to label which commenters are white gays? Practice what you preach bitch.
ewe
@Vinci S.: Is that “one day” comment of yours your own sense of superiority? You are such a hypocrite.
Vinci S.
@ewe
I don’t know about your girlfriends, but mine are just as offended by that word as I am by f*ggot or any black by the word n*gger. We must run in different circles. And you’ve failed at reading comprehension, if you think you’ve addressed post #71.
Namaste.
IAbuseGays
@Vinci S.:She’s likely referencing my point about her. Her comment here
“The homophobia inside Tracy Morgan promotes racism. NOT the other way around.”
On second read, I can’t make heads or tails of it. My first read of it suggested she believes that Tracy’s actions promote racism rather than racism existing outside of what one man does. The question it raises, and why I see racism in it, is why would racism be promoted by the actions of one man? To her, that’s “manipulative” to point out that’s a fucked up assertion to make. That racism makes sense because there is homophobia. Digging deeper into the assumptions- the question is how does one man come to justify racism against a whole class unless one makes the logical leap that that one man represents the entire class of black people?
Of course, my mistake may be that I assuming she’s capable of logical arguments.
ewe
@Carole: what racist shit you talkin about Carole?
IAbuseGays
@Vinci S.: That was my example of the white USC football player in which half the comments at Towleroad was defending the guy for being a bigot because they wanted to have sex with him. Really kind of screwed up.
james_from_cambridge
@Vinci S.: My God! Don’t you have anything better to do than shill for Morgan on Queerty and Towleroad? For days now you’ve been at it, hour after hour. Have some fucking self-respect (unless he’s paying you; if he is, then bravo sir! You’ve earned that paper!!)
You’re like the Uncle Tom of the gays, only really annoying.
josepolo
Yuck!. Is queerty really this racist? I just threw up a little in my mouth from reading this garbage. Drudge has nothing on you guys.
ewe
@IAbuseGays: You missed the part about “on this blog.” Tracy Morgan did indeed insult me as a gay person. Just let me know where i insulted him? And more importantly show us all where any negative comments about Tracy Morgan were not in response to his homophobia. Tracy Morgan is ground zero here. No one else. You’re just stirring shit as usual. Maybe it’s all part of your “circular” psychobabble IAbuseGays.
IAbuseGays
@james_from_cambridge: How do you know he’s been posting for days if you were not here as well reading the comments?
TheRealAdam
@ewe: Don’t worry, I already slapped her ass down to size.
BTW, Carole = josepolo = IAbuseGays, just in case you and others were wondering.
TheRealAdam
@james_from_cambridge: So that little cowardly apologist does the same thing on Towleroad? Not surprising at all.
ewe
@IAbuseGays: Not everyone reads all the blogs you do. What an inflated ego you have.
james_from_cambridge
@IAbuseGays: I read Queerty every day. I don’t come here to defend someone who hates my guts in a shrill, pathetic manner the way you two idiots have been doing. I really do hope you’re both getting paid because otherwise, you two are the most pathetic morons since the Goproud assholes…
ewe
@josepolo: Be specific. What are you ranting about?
Vinci S.
@IAbuseGays
As far as Matthews, he does qualify by specifying the audience as “a bunch of white people” in regards to it being a black man on the podium (even though … were they all white to begin with? Was that ANOTHER hasty assumption he was making?). That’s where I pull his intent of alluding to color blindness. That being said, I don’t discount your interpretation. In fact, yours probably holds more water. Like I said, he’s a douchbag.
And, how old are ewe and his ilk anyway? I would say they sound like a bunch of teenagers, but that would be in an insult to the 13 – 19 demographic.
josepolo
@TheRealAdam: Sorry I am none of those people and, the racism is sickening. no difference between what you are doing and what Tracy did. All comes from the same delicious pot of Hate. Racism/Homophobia is all hate. Yuck! Shame on all the racists here.At least Tracy apologized.
james_from_cambridge
@TheRealAdam: He claims he quit reading Towleroad but he still does, pathetic little drama queen.
As for the alternate names (Carole, Iabusegays), I’ve been at Queerty for a long time and I know you and you must also know Jason, that fucking loon who also posts under different aliases. He’s probably Vinci or Iabusegays (in fact, the tone of IAbuseGays is the same as Jason’s) or one of the pathetic trolls you mentioned…who the fuck has this kind of time???
josepolo
@Vinci S.: I say they are a a bunch of old washed up racists.Rush Limbaugh’s generation or older. 13 year olds of this generation know very well that it’s not cool being a racists.
Queer Supremacist
@Vinci S.: Yes, I am a racist. I am extremely racist towards white liberals. Every time I drive through a ghetto I think to myself “white liberals made this possible.”
Fuck you, you sanctimonious cracker goy. And way to project your sexual fantasies onto me, while I, unlike you, am getting some from my boyfriend, unless you are an intern on 30 Rock who sucks Tracy Morgan while he’s on the DL. There wouldn’t be a DL if it wasn’t for you white liberals who have done as much to hurt blacks as those who actively tried to do so. White liberals made the Tracy Morgans of the world possible.
Once again, fuck you cracker.
IAbuseGays
@ewe: You wrote:
“The homophobia inside Tracy Morgan promotes racism. NOT the other way around.”
Let’s add your qualifier:
“The homophobia inside Tracy Morgan promotes racism” at Queerty.
You limited the class of people who a raicst, but not your underlying assumption.
The underlying assumption remains that Morgan somehow speaks for all people of color. That you can make general statements about blacks because of Morgan. Your argument is not improved.
It does the opposite of what you want. Having established that their racism at Queerty (your words). It proves my point that some here are using this situation to bring up their racist attitudes. Your justifications for those attitudes are not valid unless you think Morgan speaks for black people.
Circular reasoning isn’t psychobabble. It is a form of logical fallacy. It is a subject that’s taught in any course in basic reasoning. Something that I advocate you taking.
josepolo
@Queer Supremacist: “Yes, I am a racist.” Of course you are. At least you are proud of it. Tracy on the other hand is sorry about his homophobia.Thank god NBC wont fire him!
IAbuseGays
@james_from_cambridge: In short, pot calling the kettle black. You are both here. You just disagree on the subject matter.
ewe
@Vinci S.: we definitely run in different circles. I don’t get all bent out of shape because of slang words. I personally thought Agays died with AIDS because i witnessed it but apparently it renews itself every generation. You are a prude. I am not. If you want to get yourself caught up in your knotted panties over words like cunt and faggot etc. ad nauseum feel free. I have more important issues in my life so you will just have to get over it if i don’t give a fuck. You will eventually learn that what you are feeling is very middle class.
josepolo
@IAbuseGays: Don’t waste your time on that one. It’s like trying to explain to Glen Beck why he is wrong.
IAbuseGays
@Queer Supremacist: well now I know who was using my screen name earlier. Piece of advice- few people if any use the word cracker anymore. If you are going to use my screen name, and then use such an outdated word, be smart enough not to use it under your other screen name.
Vinci S.
@James
I was going to say that the website your handle links to suggests an eloquence and intelligence missing in your comments here, but then I discovered all of the submissions bear the names of the other two contributors and not yours. So, that makes sense.
TheRealAdam
@james_from_cambridge: Dude, have you seen basically ALL the other Tracy Morgan posts on Queerty (and any posts dealing with a black/non-minority)? I don’t think it’s Jason, because this bitch who calls himself IAbuseGays is OBSESSED with blackness and hating white gays. I’ve called the little troll out before and all his many new names (the new ones in this thread are “Carole” and “josepolo”). I don’t how he has the time he has, but it’s very sad. He literally attacks anyone who disagrees with him and accuses them of being racist. He is a total race troll.
But yes, Vinci is a drama queen and a coward. He only recently came here and in every thread has been defending the actions of homophobes like Morgan.
IAbuseGays
@Vinci S.: Its just my view. I could be wrong.
Except for Shannon, I think many of these screen names are the same person. Ewe being in that class. I just don’t know many women who call themselves “cunt.” I know women across the political and cultural spectrum. Staight, gay and bi. I’ve never heard them use that term without it being seen as deeply derorgatory of women.
Queer Supremacist
@josepolo: Don’t you dare put words in my mouth and distort what I said, you shitfaced breeder lover. I said I was racist towards white liberals AND ONLY white liberals.
Tracy schvartzer Morgan is not sorry for what he said. You’re a dupe if you think he is and an Uncle Tom if you try to blame “gay white men” for calling him out on his genocidal, psychotic tendencies, and his insincerity. You keep playing the race card, we will trump it every time.
He should be LYNCHED.
IAbuseGays
@TheRealAdam: You do realize that one can link to your comments on race right? I am also currious how much work do you think it takes for me to do myreal job while responding to you?
TheRealAdam
@Queer Supremacist: josepolo = IAbuseGays.
Don’t fall for the trap. He is baiting you.
John
I will defend Tracy. He’s a comedian and he was joking. I’ve heard him on Howard Stern many times and for the entire time he was on the air, he tried to be as shocking as possible because it is his ACT. When he was wrapping up his time on Howard, his voice changed and he told the audience that nothing he said was for real. He’s not homophobic, he’s an actor. Doesnt the gay community have other things to worry about?
Shannon1981
@IAbuseGays: What blanket statements? You seem to want to let him off the hook. Correct me if I am wrong. You are lashing out because Morgan is black, it seems. If he were any other race, you’d have no problem with his online crucifixion.
Vinci S.
@ Josepolo
Wow. That never occurred to me. The retirement-aged right wing nuts at GayPatriot are generally more well-spoken and smarter than this. This is just vile and infantile.
@ ewe
I grew up lower middle-class. Even if I wasn’t dirt poor, being from the gutter doesn’t mean a birthright to foul language. If that’s what you want, then all you have eventually is an audience of deaf ears. Is that what you want?
“I personally thought Agays died with AIDS”
Can you break this down … in English please.
@ Queer Supremacist
My cracker ass takes its hat off to you and apologizes.
@ James
Nope, I only post under one name, one picture that links to one site. I don’t see anyone else doing that here. Do the math.
IAbuseGays
@John: @John: That honestly does not justify it to me. Yes he’s a shock comic act. but sometimes one can cross a line.
Queer Supremacist
@IAbuseGays: Your REAL job? You mean the one that involves the phrase “do you want fries with that” or the one that involves breaking into people’s houses?
And you’re not only racist but paranoid, accusing me of impersonating you. Especially when you have about five sockpuppets on this site alone. I’d rather cut out the middleman and impersonate Louis FaraKKKhan.
My God, you almost make me miss Bill fucking Perdue (the neo-Nazi Muslim lover). Are you even gay?
Vinci S.
@ TheRealAdam
“Vinci is … a coward.” Well, “real” Adam, I’m the only one on here who has balls enough to post his picture and link to his site.
The ball’s in your court.
@ Queer Supremacy
What part of “I said I was racist towards … ONLY white liberals.” and “He should be lynched” do you not get?
Queer Supremacist
@Vinci S.: Aren’t you late testing out your latest batch of Zyklon B? Shut up and go burn a cross, goy boy.
TheRealAdam
@Vinci S.: Keep your balls to yourself. You haven’t been here long enough to call me or my name out.
Vinci S.
@ Queer Supremacist
You need to go back on your meds.
And that goes for ewe and The “Real” Adam too.
And, I said meds, not meth.
IAbuseGays
@Shannon1981: “If he had been dropping N bombs if he were white or using anti semitic slurs, he’d have no job. ”
Is that not your statement from above in quotes? Is that not a general statement?
I rebut with specific examples regarding both race (several examples given of racism that did not end in a person without a career in the industry) gender (the guy from Two and Half Men, I did not even mention Polanski who Hollywood rallied behind last year) and anti-semitism (Mel Gibson had multiple incidents regarding being an anti-semite, not one).
You also don’t rebut Washington from Grey’s Anatomy. The problem with you is that if you believe its true. You entitled to your opinion, but the facts are what they are. Hollywood protects its own regardless of behavior. And before I get another tirade from you about two wrongs don’t make a right. That’s not what I just wrote. I just wrote that your assertion about what Hollywood does in other instances is wrong.
I am not the one here lacking balance or climbing up on a cross.
Adman
Eh, I’ll buy that for a few reasons. He had a conversation with Russel Simmons, someone in the Black community who has shown time and again to understand the ramifications of homophobia and publicly committed to finding solutions in the Hip Hop AND BLACK communities. He hasn’t gone and shot his mouth off about “white gays” this and that drivel, he talks about what he knows.
Second, this apology touched on the issues I was concerned with, like “will I have to put a fire out in my house when my neighbors go apeshit on the neighborhood queers tonight, since Tracy Morgan’s been having so much trouble lately”? or you know, will they kill that femmy 10 year old down the street at the park this weekend or not. I know I’ve heard a lot of shit talked about him, given what a threat he is walking around town and innocent and childish and everything. He might even like rainbows. You know, I pay attention to the trivial stuff, see?
Then, he goes on to say “this is about what’s right”. Can’t ask for more from anyone, and I don’t think I should. I don’t see the LGBT community as scolds, and certainly don’t think it would help us to get bogged down in trying to be. Let the church ladies worry about that chit.
IAbuseGays
@Queer Supremacist: Yes, real job. You can’t honestly think I would be sitting here talking to you if I weren’t also doing other things? If you think that you are delusional.
james_from_cambridge
@TheRealAdam: VinciPansy probably defends homophobes because he has a thing for rough trade. It’s a problem in the community. Or maybe he’s into Black rough trade and he’s trying to be “down”. And I don’t know too much about Iabusegays, except he’s also clearly an attention-whore/drama queen with that ridiculously self-hating handle, since I went away when Queerty shut down and just recently came back. But there does seem to be a lot more trash here than there used to be. Hopefully someone will fumigate the place soon.
Queer Supremacist
@Vinci S.: That picture could be anyone anywhere.
Lynching is only a crime against innocent people. I’m not advocating lynching him for what he is, unlike your Aryan ancestors, but for what he did.
At the very least, the state needs to put his sons in foster homes for their protection. Hopefully in one with two mommies or two daddies. Has no one brought that issue up yet?
I notice you’re losing the argument so you’ve resorted to accusing me of a mental illness. Classic Stalinist tactic. Par for the course on a crypto-Stalinist website.
josepolo
@Queer Supremacist: LOL! I “SHOULD BE LYNCHED”? Classic dude! It’s 2011! It’s illegal for a white person to lynch a latino. got it? Fucking bigot!
james_from_cambridge
@IAbuseGays: You’re working at 10 PM at night? How do you have time to be online and work at the drive-thru at McDonald’s?
IAbuseGays
@Adman: He’s not here reading the bigoted shit that some are posting so why exactly does what Russel simmons say on Morgan’s coment bare any relationship to what;s occuring here as far as the bigoted comments?
TheRealAdam
@james_from_cambridge: He means that he’s trolling this site while walking his corners scantily clad on MLK avenue in the ATL.
james_from_cambridge
@Queer Supremacist: OMG! I thought I was the only one who remembered Bill Perdue!!?? I thought I hallucinated that psycho and also Jason….! It looks like they’ve been replaced by at least three paint-eating retards tho, so I guess the Universe does balance itself.
TheRealAdam
@TheRealAdam: Blackberries allow him to double-task.
jeff4justice
As an activist, YouTuber, and comedian, I have indeed said my share of stupid shit. And I likely will again. Thank goodness none of it was live.
Next, like Lisa Lisa Lampanelli or Chelsea Handler, I at times use edgy racial or religious humor and see how far I can push the envelope.
There are some anti-gay celebs who don’t like gays and don’t give a shit whether we get pissed at them or not. Now that Tracy Morgan has apologized and reached out in peace, time for us to accept and appreciate it.
Those who continue to want him to beg for forgiveness remind me of the South Park episode where the kid’s dad accidentally uses the N word on TV and Jesse Jackson literally wants him to kiss his ass.
All the big LGBT groups taking the same action of issuing statements of condemnation just reminds me of the waste of the needled duplication of these groups that essentially leave small town gay folk behind.
I’m over it.
IAbuseGays
@james_from_cambridge: I do the kind of work that requires me to work long hours, which means I don’t get to go off to take breaks. One day hopefully with the work I am doing. I will. It can be tedious work. I come here to chat with people. Unfortunately the site is going down hill evne further than it was before.
james_from_cambridge
@TheRealAdam: Oh dear…if he’s working the streets, that explains the psychosis. Untreated syphilis does that to you…
IAbuseGays
Well now that the bigots are not even pretending anymore. I am going to focus on my writing.
Shannon1981
@IAbuseGays: Heh. I disbelieve the story of the cross and hate it with a passion. I am hardly climbing up on one. It is you, my man, who is letting your own racial hang ups make you believe that Morgan is justified in saying what he did and calling it comedy. I think he should be fired, and I do not buy his apology at all. I think he is a ragiging homophobe, and would think the same of anyone who said such things, regardless of race, religion, or any other superficial characteristic. You cannot say the same.
Vinci S.
@ Queer Supremacist
The picture isn’t anyone anywhere. It’s me. I don’t believe in hiding. And I don’t believe in saying things on the internet I wouldn’t say in public. It’s called making oneself accountable for their actions and words. Try it sometime.
You can follow me on twitter:
https://twitter.com/#!/DaVinciSmetana
Or friend me on facebook:
http://www.facebook.com/vincentsmetana
Or read my movie reviews:
http://cinesnatch.blogspot.com
And, P.S. my ancestors were Czech. And last time I investigated, I didn’t come up with anything about lynchings. Stick that in your pipe and smoke it. Maybe it’ll chill you out.
B
Re No 6 ( EdWoody),”But I still don’t see any kind of explanation as to how he ever thought it was okay to say those words in the first place. If he believes what he claims he does, why say those things at all? Does he not write his “comedy” in advance?”
… don’t know about this Tracy Morgan character but the Marx Brothers (who were very popular and extremely funny) ad-libbed with abandon (or course, Harpo never spoke in their films). Read http://books.google.com/books?id=xWfp8LsM8_gC&pg=PA39&lpg=PA39&dq=Marx+Brothers+ad+lib&source=bl&ots=wr4trCd6Y8&sig=E_I5YQWsq-lHeAVc992XO9CyRBs&hl=en&ei=-8D2TfHvJoL4swPEv_y1Bw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=3&ved=0CCgQ6AEwAg#v=onepage&q=Marx%20Brothers%20ad%20lib&f=false for some details. Also, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Groucho_Marx#Hollywood : “One quip from Marx concerned his response to Sam Wood, the director of the classic film A Night at the Opera. Furious with the Marx Brothers’ ad-libs and antics on the set, Wood yelled in disgust: “You can’t make an actor out of clay.” Groucho responded, “Nor a director out of Wood.””
BTW, if you want to hear Harpo Marx’s voice (in an interview), try http://www.marx-brothers.org/biography/bbc2.wav .
james_from_cambridge
@IAbuseGays: Toodles! Say hi to your MickyDees manager for me….!!
IAbuseGays
@Shannon1981: Shannon, anyone who reads my comments along this thread knows that I have offered up complex and mixed views on the issues of race and sexual orientation alike. If you want to play the childish, “I know you are, but what am I game” you are going to do it alone. I thought you were saner. My mistake.
I did not ask you to change you mind on whether he should be fire. I asked you to stop lying about how the industry works to do achieve your goal. I just don’t like liar Shannon. I now consider you to be one. Which makes me question everything else you have said about yourself here.
james_from_cambridge
@jeff4justice: “Comedy” you say? Really?? Well, I guess the thirteen or so viewers seem to like it…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TXay-TRXEY8&feature=relmfu
josepolo
Morgan is an angel compared to ewe/james_from_cambridge/TheRealAdam/Queer supremacist. I hope this bigot is the same person.
IAbuseGays
@james_from_cambridge: @james_from_cambridge: What’s interesting to me is you seem to think being in the lower class is a bad thing. The other issue I mentioned here is the hatred that some in the gay community has over class. Not just of blacks in the lower income, but also low income whites.
I am likely making more money than you do. The difference is (a) I don’t need to pretend like you do that I am something more than I am (the whole “get a life shtick” is sad given the fact you and the the others are here more than I am), I don’t see anything wrong with someone working in fast food if that’s how they support themselves (the fact you make fun of that sums up your classism as well as racist attitudes- again thanks for letting us know that) and finally the saddest part of all- you really are going to be here years from now doing the exact same thing (well here or soem place else. This sort of site dies with a population such as you in it).
Vinci S.
@ Josepolo
I cosign on #141.
TheRealAdam
@james_from_cambridge: “Untreated syphilis does that to you…”
So does working in the same industry for 30 years. That poor thing’s boy pussy is so raggedy a dick penetrating him is like throwing a hot dog down a hallway.
Queer Supremacist
@Shannon1981: Thank you for saying that. It’s nice to see someone who will not tolerate homophobia (or racism) amongst their own kind and has the courage to call them out. We need more people like you.
@IAbuseGays: Your writing? Okay. Just remember, C-A-T spells “cat”.
@Vinci S.: Good. Hang yourself with your own rope. See where it gets you. Let the whole world know what a sanctimonious Uncle Tom you are. Your Czech ancestors must have been from the Sudetenland.
@josependejo: Hey dumbass, I didn’t call for you to be lynched, as being a stupid racist asshole is insufficient reason for doing so. I called for Tracy schvartzer Morgan to be lynched. And unless you’re a self-loathing kapo you’ll do the same for him and all other homophobes.
Lynch Tracy Morgan!
ewe
@josepolo: Do you have any evidence of that?
ewe
@Vinci S.: Hate out one side of your mouth and Namaste out the other. You are so full of shit.
Shannon1981
@IAbuseGays: I am not a liar. I simply disagree with the race trolling on this site, which you are the ring leader of at this time, but hardly the only one guilty of it.
Queer Supremacist
Oh my pigfucking God. If you Tracy lovers were beaten by your boyfriends and they gave you flowers and candy and said they’d never do it again, you’d believe them, too. Silly me, you’ll never get boyfriends because you probably hump ’em and dump ’em. If you can get them in the first place.
@IHateGayWhiteMen: Low income often correlates with low education, which correlates with homophobia.
@josependejo: Prove it, IAbuseGays, whoops, I mean josepolo. Show me their IP addresses.
Vinci S.
@Queer Supremacist
Actually, yes, my grandfather was from the Sudetenland and he also helped smuggle Jews out of The Third Reich. What’s your point?
I’ve never met anyone like you in person and I hope I never do.
Shannon1981
@IAbuseGays: Listen, we obviously have very different views via personal experience. I have acknowledged that. You are with racism as I am with religion. Very personal hang ups there. I am no liar, I’ve nothing to hide.
Queer Supremacist
@ewe: Miss Quizling probably wouldn’t know that word if he hadn’t been barebacked by a yoga instructor.
james_from_cambridge
@josepolo: God you’re a tiresome little queen! TheRealAdam and I accuse you and VinciCunt and that other troll of being the same person so you accuse us of being the same person. Unoriginal and boring, like your hero Tracy Morgan. Ewe, TheRealAdam, even QueerSupremacist (who I’ve argued with before because I’m actually an Obama supporter and a Democrat) are different people who’ve been at Queerty for years, before the trash like you rolled in. So why don’t you deliver on what you promised a few minutes ago and go away. Thanks sweetie!!!…
And here’s a real shocker for you little trolls…I’m biracial. And a Boston native who still lives in the area. I don’t need the likes of you patronizing idiots sticking up for me. You are everything Black people hate about limousine Liberals and their bullshit. You love Black people alright (well, at least you love Black cock)…until they move in next to you. I’d rather deal with Queer Supremacists sometimes out there beliefs over your patronizing bullshit ’cause at least he’s real.
josepolo
@ewe: Any evidence of what,ewe?
Queer Supremacist
@Vinci S.: You could have learned something from your grandfather. Like how to defy evil. Tracy Morgan has more in common with the Third Reich than the Jews.
josepolo
@james_from_cambridge: Biracial my foot! This is an anonymous blog.I don’t know that you are black more than you know I am green.Doesn’t change the fact that your statements are disgustingly racist. If you are black, that’s a high level of self loath dude.
Shannon1981
@Queer Supremacist: Thank You. Bigotry of any kind, no matter who it is directed at or who it comes from, is not something I will ever tolerate. Ever. Period. I might have a lot of flaws, but being a bigot will NEVER be one of them.
Vinci S.
I have been here for only a few months (as I will not go back to Towleroad), but if Ewe, TheRealAdam, QueerSupremacist and James are typical of Queerty, then I am leaving.
Vinci S.
I am still trying to tell myself that Adam, Queer, Ewe and James aren’t real or, at the very least, serious.
*shakes head*
josepolo
@james_from_cambridge: “You are everything Black people hate about limousine Liberals and their bullshit. You love Black people alright (well, at least you love Black cock)…until they move in next to you.” LOL First off all, I don’t mind black people living next to me. and black cock is kinda famous……God you are a bigot
james_from_cambridge
@josepolo: Quote one thing I said that was racist? One! You are a fucking idiot (calling someone an idiot is not nice but it’s not racist. Just clarifying that ’cause you seem slow.)
Shannon1981
@Vinci S.: Its a snark blog dude. The obnoxious posting is the house tone.
josepolo
@Vinci S.: These people have nothing on Drudge.By far some of the most vile comments I have ever seen on a gay blog. They have managed to make Tracy Morgan more human.BTW, if that’s really your picture, you are very handsome in and out, judging also from your posts.
james_from_cambridge
@Vinci S.: So fucking leave. What the fuck are you waiting for, a fucking parade??? GTFO and the I.Q. of this place will immediately double. Your logic skills suggest you’d be more comfortable at Disney.com anyway…
josepolo
@james_from_cambridge: I can quote more than three, but I have no time to spoon feed a bigot. Re read your posts again. Are you proud of yourself, How do you sleep at night with all that hate dude?
Queer Supremacist
@Vinci S.: Good riddance to bad Uncles Tom (yes, that is the correct grammar). Did you leave Towleroad because the commenters there had too much self-esteem for your taste?
@james_from_cambridge: James, didn’t you get the memo? Racism no longer means judging people by the color of their skin. It means disagreeing with a nonwhite person and calling him out when he or she says something bigoted.
“The people of old Mississippi
Should all hang their heads in shame
I can’t understand how their minds work
What’s the matter don’t they watch Les Crain?
But if you ask me to bus my children
I hope the cops take down your name
So love me, love me, love me, I’m a liberal”
-Phil Ochs
TheRealAdam
@Vinci S.: You’ve already demonstrated that you cannot think for yourself on issues like this, so maybe it would be best if you left.
jeff4justice
@james_from_cambridge: You talk a lot of shit online. I guess your fulfilling your life’s purpose. Anyway, I lived 30 years not losing sleep what you or Tracy Morgan or Solja Boy or Ted Nugent thinks of me and I think I get get through another 30 now that I know. Peace be with ya.
Vinci S.
@ Joseph
Thank you.
@James
I don’t know about racist, but you’ve displayed a sense of classism. And considering that the poor tend to be disproportionate with minorities, the two usually go hand and hand. But, I’m being redundant. IAbuseGays already made that point earlier.
james_from_cambridge
@jeff4justice: How poetic! Enjoy talking to yourself on youtube.
ewe
@josepolo: of what you said. Go back and read your comments.
Queer Supremacist
@Vinci S.: Typical liberal enabler. It’s always someone else’s fault if they’re a stupid, hatemongering bigot. Unless they’re white and can make ends meet.
The poor also tend to be disproportionate with gay bashers. And don’t give me that “poverty causes crime” crap because not all poor people are criminals. And don’t give me that “it’s white racists’ fault” line either. Plenty of poor people don’t use poverty as an excuse for antisocial behavior. Those are usually the ones who make it out of poverty. People like Bill Cosby, Oprah Winfrey, etc. I don’t think Cosby has ever commented on gay issues but Oprah at least has claimed to be pro-gay and had gay people on her show coming out of her ears.
You can’t use misfortune as an excuse to hate. I use this site to vent my prejudices in order to work them out. Still, I will never see the heterosexual as equal to the gay man or woman, or approve of the heterosexual sex act.
Vinci S.
Actually, I’m having way too much fun at your expense.
I left Towleroad because my comments, as well as the comments of some others that didn’t tow the line (including at least two self-identified black gay men) were deleted. They were later surreptitiously restored only after I reposted my rather lengthy comment and made another post about censorship. I mistakenly thought it was a space for free speech. Apparently, there was an asterisk I wasn’t aware of. I will not return to the site and am in the process of finding a comparable one with threads filled with the thoughts of more sensible gay men. This, apparently, isn’t one of them.
Kev C
James_Cambridge needs to ease up on the energy drinks.
http://cdn.mediatakeout.com/49098/tracy_morgan_goes_ham_on_gay_people____says_if_his_son_was_gay____he_would_stab_the_lil_ngga.html
james_from_cambridge
@Vinci S.: “I don’t know about racist, but you’ve displayed a sense of classism. And considering that the poor tend to be disproportionate with minorities, the two usually go hand and hand.”
Oh my fucking God!! I am now convinced you don’t know one Black person! Not one you fucking phony! No Black person would put up with your patronizing bullshit! Who the fuck died and made you a spokesperson for us you fucking wannabe little troll??!! By the way, most of those on welfare are White so I’m not sure what you mean about the poor tend to be minority…get a fucking clue and cut the holier than thou, “I’m protecting you” shit. You’ve demonstrated who the real racist asshole here is…
josepolo
@ewe: No I won’t go back to re read my comment K?
james_from_cambridge
@Kev C: Yeah, that’s a site for Black people by Black people. So who’s lying about being biracial??
Vinci S.
“I will NEVER see the heterosexual as equal to the gay[s] … or approve of the heterosexual sex act.”
“I use this site to vent my prejudices in order to work them out.”
Sounds like you’re putting a limitation on just what prejudices you’re working out.
It also sounds like you suffer from self-hatred. After all, it’s a heterosexual act that brought you into being. How do you not approve of an action that made your very existence possible? Or, were you conceived in a petrie dish?
Lucky Luke
He needs to take some Homocil.
ewe
@IAbuseGays: no.99: You may want to stick to talking about your own underlying assumptions cause i don’t see you as qualified to talk about other people. What in the hell makes you think you can dictate to people you don’t know how to deal with the hate directed at them? What did gay people ever do to Tracy Morgan to justify what he said? That is a question. Get the fuck out of your box. You are in the dark. We are not talking about a state statute written in the books to discuss in a lecture hall.
Vinci S.
@ James
I used the word disproportionate. I didn’t get the memo that the poor of our country is 72.4% white. And I’m glad your convinced of the racial makeup of all of my friends and acquaintances. Your opinion on isn’t significant.
ewe
@josepolo: fine. Then don’t bother to pretend to converse.
Queer Supremacist
@Vinci S.: My beliefs about heterosexuals are not “prejudice”. I have been around enough of them to judge them accurately. There is such a thing as in-vitro fertilization. And who’s to say science won’t come up with a way for two men and two women to reproduce?
Jesus Christ, you can hate blacks, whites, Jews, Christians, Republicans, and be one of the crowd but say one bad thing about heterosexuals and suddenly you’re Hitler? This site is an argument against gay supremacy.
You are sick for calling me self-hating while defending a genocidal psychopath who hides behind the guise of being a shitty comedian. Enjoy your echo chamber, Eurotrash.
@james_from_cambridge: See, this is why I’m not a liberal. Because of patronizing shit like this crap from Vince S. This is the attitude that made the problems of poor minorities worse.
Minorities owe liberals NOTHING in terms of loyalty, support, votes, or even basic human decency. They act entitled because they happened to be in the right place at the right time. And why should minorities who disagree with liberals on issues regarding finances, defense, etc. be called “self-hating”? What’s the gay position on taxes or the stimulus? What’s the gay position on the War on Terrorism? You wouldn’t become Republican if they magically turned pro-gay overnight, because you’re not a one-issue voter. Neither are we.
You so-called liberals want to help us? Stop helping us!
Kev C
I also think James is a classist. He thinks he’s better than ghetto black folk, but he rages at white gays because he thinks they’re all racist and discriminating against him.
WHY CAN’T I JOIN THE ALL WHITE, ALL GAY ILLUMINATI COUNTRY CLUB??!!
Why?
Because there is no secret white gay mafia club. Even the wealthiest and most powerful gay organizations like HRC and GLAAD are powerless party clowns. But y’all are going to bash white gays because haters gonna hate.
james_from_cambridge
@Kev C: WTF? Can you read at all?? Sigh….the stupid is clearly infecting more and more of you here…fuck off kev. I know you from the old days at Queerty…nice to see you’re still slow and a prick.
I’m half Black but I hate Blacks…no,no…I hate Whites…no, I hate Martians. Jesus take the fucking wheel!!!
TheRealAdam
@Kev C: Is this true about James, Kev C?
james_from_cambridge
@Kev C: Another sign of the stupid…you mention the Illuminati, when you probably mean the Masons. Either way, that’s a major sign of a paranoid moron (which since you also go to Mediatakeout, you’re probably intimately familiar with since that’s a favorite topic of the commenters who’re complete morons like you.) You probably believe in Aliens, Harold Camping and that Hitler was Obama’s father, don’t you??
OrchidIslander
@AndrewC:
Quote: “Black people are treated with kitty gloves.”
There are so many statistics and fact-based demographics that I want to hurl at you, which totally refute that astonishing remark and – at the same time – reduce you to a pile of smoking snarky rubble.
But the primary thought that keeps playing in my mind is, “Wow…..”
methostapholes
@ Queer Supremacist … actually it is possible to clone someone just using skin cells…but you still need an ovary…then there is the artificial womb called “cryptogenesis”…
Kev C
@TheRealAdam: I recall James thinking the victims of homophobia and gay bashings are racist. Because yeah, whatever. If you fight back against black homophobia and are white, you must be racist. That’s how clueless this mofo from Cambridge is. And what about that ugly shit he posted at MTO? WTF! Fuck you James stupid ass anti-white anti-gay troll.
IAbuseGays
@Shannon1981: Yes you are a liar, and the fact you are now endorsing the racists confirms it to me. No black person worth there salt would be defending these bigots. Yo are no more real that Ewe is.
Adman
@IAbuseGays: I could give two shits about the bigoted comments you’ve traded with other users here, your self involvement is total, it seems to me, and I don’t play that attention whore game, son.
IAbuseGays
@OrchidIslander: Given the racism here that’s an under statement.
james_from_cambridge
@Kev C: Clearly you don’t know how to read so I’m gonna ignore your insane, stupid, ugly ass. Or maybe your memory is failing you. Either way, you’re dumber than Vinci and Iabusegays put together. At least they can kinda read. Congratulations you vapid cunt!!!
IAbuseGays
@Kev C: No, you are racists because you speak in terms of “all blacks are homophobes”a nd I am justified in the racism I spew here because of Morgan. Not one of you gives a shit about homophobia. Its just your crutch for justifying your bigotry.
IAbuseGays
@Adman: If you didn’t give a shit, you wouldn’t be responding. You and the rest fo the racist pieice of shit on this site continue to be not only bigots but illogical ones.
IAbuseGays
I have decided to bow out. Some of you are really fucked in the head. No amount of talk is going to change that.
ewe
@IAbuseGays: your head is in the clouds. Good riddance.
ewe
@IAbuseGays: no black person worth their salt is defending tracy morgan.
Adman
@IAbuseGays: Ahh, the old “you can’t stop watching me”, when everybody is trying their best to talk around you defense. Talk about illogic. It’s a simple lack of perception. Try to imagine your 5 year-old self and it’s attendant ego needs at your parents cocktail party..That’s what’s going on for you right now. And I’m a racist too? Good, bow your victorious little head, simple child. Daddy gonna knock you out with this double shot, K?
josepolo
I see the racism party is still going on. You guys needs help! Serious help!
Hetero420
Being gay is a decision. Rights should be given to groups who have no option such as abolishing jim crow laws, women voting, handicap accesibility, or along that nature. Shouldn’t I get pot smokers rights if you get gay rights? We both made a decision that others dont like. You weren’t born gay. You just mAde a life decision that you need to deal with. Should I get Christian rights? If you get beaten for being gay they call it a hate crime if i get beaten for being Christian i just gotta deal with it. Get over yourselves already.
Chuck
@Hetero420: When, exactly, did you ‘decide’ to be straight? Sometime after you stared regretting the fact that you couldn’t help but read Queerty???
Gigi Gee
@Red Meat: STFU!
Dr. Dick
I would be inclined to side with the likes of TheRealAdam and his ilk, but a few things bother me, like how they use macdonalds as an insult, and throw around fairly hurtful terms like “uncle tom” and “lynch”.
This is how we prove that homophobia isn’t taken as seriously as racism?
My issue is not with disagreement, please, disagree away! Blacks and other minorities have to open up the lens of critisim to themselves, this is totally true, and i feel like thats the problem jasons and realadams have, they’re seeing hypocrisy- what i ask, to anyone who feels this way, is that u try to understand, minorities do not have the collective self-confidence to address their own issues with outsiders. And can u really blame them? I know people hate hearing it, but u cant hide skin color, anywhere, ever.
So in an intellectual, heated debate on highly complicated social issues, does it really help your “im not a bigot, he is!” argument to keep baiting people with ignorant, racially charged terms?
Also, am I just gonna be ignored because i havent “been here long enough”, that seems petty…. RealAdam? Any thoughts?
Jeffree
@”Hetero”420: Your logic starts off poorly & runs downhill from there. Being gay is not a choice. You have no science and no facts on your side.
You didn’t choose tot be heterosexual or bisexual. If you were truly heterosexual you wouldn’t be cruising & trolling a gay website at this hour, trying to defend your ignorance.
Hetero420
And BTW, the general public could care less what anybody says about homos because they too are worried their kids will make that stupid decision to be gay. Tracy Morgan is absolutely hilarious and will continue to be in the limelight. He retracted his words to stave off the grief from homos that will yet even still pay to hear his absolutely funny routines.
Dr. Dick
Lol, also i feel obligated to qualify that i am black, just to add a lil clout
Hetero420
God made Eve out of Adams rib to be his companion. Yes we were all born hetero. Bad upbringings caus homosexuality. Adulterers nor homosexuals shall inherit the Earth. The Holy Bible is all the science I need pal.
Vinci S.
@Hetero420
If The Holy Bible is all the science you need, I take it your career (future or otherwise) doesn’t involve biology, chemistry or physics.
Hetero420
“at this hour”??!!!! It’s only 9 pm here homo
Jeffree
@”Hetero”420. Ooh, I hit a nerve, eh what? There is no mention of a computer in your Bible, therefore it’s un-natural and sinful. Burn it.
Atone for your sins. The world ends 10/21 so you need to get the plank of wood out of your eye before you can cast stones.
Atone for your sin of bearing false witness against your neighbor, for the sin of pride, & the lust that you feel in your heart & loins when you look upon the male body in all its glory. Go forth & sin no more.
Vinci S.
@ Hetero
It’s 4:20. Now, stick that pipe in your mouth and smoke it while you meditate on scripture. (as if you’re real)
IAbuseGays
@josepolo: Which is why I am bowing out.
I don’t think many of these screen names are individual people. Its all likely one poster or few.
Someone, for example, earlier today used my screen name to post shit that I did not say in another thread. Oddly using the term “Cracker.” Language straight out of “All In the Family” from the 70s. This feels college students trolling with too much time on their hands and making up characters to play online.
Second, I had thought about registering, but this site seems like a cesspool so I am not. I get enough stress dealing with some of my customers in my business.
Third, it is not worth it. I realized that I am not able to concentrate as well on my writing wasting time with crazy people.
Finally, wasting time with nutjobs takes away from having healthy conversation. I was on the phone talking to a business partner an hour and a half ago. White dude. No sign of the craziness you see here. I doubt this craziness represents even the majority of white people, much less gay people.
Jeffree
@IAbuseGays: Farewell. You’re making the right decision to leave Queerty. Good luck with your business [and that wasn’t sarcasm.]
Hetero420
Where’s the science that shows you were born gay???
Jeffree
@”Hetero” You already said you don’t need science. Therefore you don’t need a computer, a car, or any books other than the Bible. Your computer is controlled by Satan. Turn it off. Confess your lust for men to the Lord, to your Pastor, your congregation, and your wife.
Repent.
You know that this site provides temptation that you cannot control.
Repent.
Hetero420
Spoken like a true homo. Where’s your dad been. Go find him and ask him to be a part of your life. The computer is only evil when used wrongly. Kinda like the gay bars that need to be burned to the ground.
Jeffree
You said you don’t need science “Hetero,” so why do you employ Satan’s tools to fill your mind with lust & your heart with hate? If you had a true relationship with your Father in Heaven, you would folllow the words of His only begotten Son and give everything to the poor (including your computer).
I pray most fervantly that your Pastor is aware of your same-sex attractions & will have you exorcized of the demons which possess you. As the sign outside many churches says: Bingo at 7 PM, Gay Exorcism at 9 PM.
Skip the bingo.
Repent,
Jeffree
@”Hetero” Repent of your unwanted same-sex attraction. You need the Bible more than you need the computer. Repent.
Geoff B
@Hetero420: I’ve stayed out of this due to all the name calling, and I do my best to be respectful of all opinions, but seriously you are one stupid fucktard. I assure you neither my or my partner’s upbringing was bad. And if you’re so straight, why are you here? It’s been my experience people of your ilk (alleged straights trolling gay websites, bars, etc) are the biggest bottoms out there. Please go kill yourself.
Jeffree
@Geoff B. Good answer!* IRL, I’m pretty patient & willing to answer most any question a reasonable/thoughtful person wants to ask, but these drive-by trolls seem to come from a place of rage. When someone threâtens violence, as “hetero” did on another thread, it’s clear they’re hear to preach, not learn.
That whole “distant dad” thing still is being repeated on the fundie sites, although the research on it is shoddy & old! I bet u get sick of hearing that 2!
[*I could have done without the very last line, because some people might follow the directive….]
I’m willing to answer any question a thoughtful person asks me (IRL, on line it’s
Jeffree
oops, ignore my editing fail on that last paragraph fragment. Sorry.
Adam
Morgan seems sincere. He’s not contradicting the blogger’s statements (which would be an effective smoke screen for a while) he’s not copping out and saying that he meant it in some different way. He’s being honest. He said he went over the line and he’s trying to make amends. As long as he never never NEVER does anything like this ever again, I am willing to accept his apology.
Geoff B
@Jeffree: The “distant father” thing pisses me off to no end. My dad was awesome, and so is my partner’s dad. The last line, I agree may have have been harsh, but for assholes like that, it doesn’t get better.
meego
Anyone even remotely familiar with showbiz will know that Tracy Morgan is not the least bit sincere. It’s called damage control, people. That’s it. That’s all it is. We’ve seen it before and we’ll see it again. If they got rid of Isaiah Washington, they can get rid of Tracy Morgan too. So if Tracy doesn’t want to go the way of Isaiah, you bet he’ll apologize. That’s showbiz.
declanto
This thread contains some of the most toxic racist slander I’ve ever read on this blog. You can excuse yourselves in the most creative ways, but it all comes down to hate and vicious libel. Queerty once was about issues that GBLTQ persons could discuss and disagree about or whatever. It’s been taken over by madmouth, cutterqueens, trolls, homophobes and racists. Where is any sense of decency, restraint or moderation?
Pitou
@Hetero420: I’d just LOVE to know who this person really is. At least where “it” hails from. Come on Queerty.. I know you have this dudes ip address…
declanto
@ewe: “what racist shit you talking about…” I’m not Carole, but i’d like to point out your use of the “n” word in another thread on Tracey Morgan. You’re using his homophobic joke to justify your own racial prejudice.
Joseph B.
I don’t think he means it. This is the second time he has made homophobic statements (the first being part of his act like a year ago). I hope he won’t be able to worm his way out of this one.
Gigi Gee
@jeff4justice: While I tend to agree with most of what you said, Morgan went above and beyond. Michael Richards was vilified for using the “N” word, something that people who knew him said was totally out of character. Morgan said that he would STAB HIS SON WITH A KNIFE is he came out to him as gay. No matter which way you slice it, that ain’t funny. I’m glad he apologized in the way that he did. Some say: “I’m sorry you found what I said offensive…” which actually means nothing. Let’s see what good can come of this. I think if nothing else it’s shown us how much acceptance and support there is for us. When I was a kid (not THAT long ago…) people said stuff like this all the time a NO ONE said anything in our defense.
Gigi Gee
@Hetero420: Whatcha doin here troll? Ha ha. You think your little games are gonna upset us? We’ve dealt with much worse than a scared little internet troll. You’re probably some closet case who’s got one hand on the keyboard and the other on your Anthony. Good luck with that!
Chico
Nice. He seems sincere and that’s enough for me. Moving on.
Shannon1981
@IAbuseGays: Dude, get some help. For real. And stop trolling. Peace.
ewe
@IAbuseGays: If you keep on endlessly bowing out you are gonna fall over flat on your face AGAIN. You would call anyone putting down David Duke an Aryan just as much as you call those that are putting down Tracy Morgan a racist. Of course when that fails and you can’t bully people into agreeing with your bullshit your next line is that they must be crazy. I have a feeling you work as a clerk in some courthouse with that approach. Remember you bowed out already so don’t fucking come back you twisted wanker.
AndrewC
TRACY MORGAN WINS BECAUSE HE CONTINUES TO EARN MILLIONS VIA NBC. HE KEEPS HIS JOB.HE GETS AWAY WITH HOMOPHOBIA BECAUSE HE IS BLACK! NBC WILL NOT FIRE HIM BECAUSE THEY ARE SCARED OF THE BACKLASH FROM THE BLACK COMMUNITY. HOW IS THAT FAIR??,I AM SO FUCKING MAD!. CIVIL RIGHTS FOR BLACKS IS ALWAYS CONSIDERED MORE IMPORTANT THAN MY RIGHTS!FUCK NBC!
ewe
@declanto: My use of the word “nigger” was in reference to what Michael Richards said in his so called comic routine you manipulative cunt. I already told you that bitch. Read the posts. You are like Bill Oreilly. Just keep yelling and repeating yourself and maybe your bullshit will stick to someone. Grow the fuck up. You are a sheep. Why don’t you detail which comment number you are referring to so we can jolt you into this reality LIAR?
ewe
@AndrewC: re: no. 235 – You may be projecting. I am not sure that’s true. Have you read or heard something that i didn’t.
ewe
Any post about Tracy Morgan is about homophobia not racial prejudice. That’s a red herring used by some people here to dust the dirt off the real culprit.
stephen
@AndrewC just admit you hate black people and get it over with.
And this will be the last time I read the comments on Queerty…way to much hate and nastiness. Where do some of these people come from??
gregger
Not buying his line. He’s a BS artist.
ewe
@Hetero420: What decade are you living in with that freudian nonsense about missing parents? Did your overbearing mothers nursing you on her nipples make you crave burying your head in a lucious pair of vouluptous titties? Open your mouth. I want to puke inside it.
ewe
@Hetero420: Hetero420 is your statement verifying you are a straight stoner right? I guess the cotton in your ears is also in your head.
jenkinswes
well if they were not not doing these things wich is clearly wrong in the eyes of the the LORD they would not be offened give me a break they should try and try to live the rite way and stop crying about every thing that is said if you are going to be this way put your thick skin on and grow up!!!!!!
Queer Supremacist
@Hetero420: Now you see why I am, and always will be, a Queer Supremacist. Because “straight people” are neither. Your millennia of cultural and sexual imperialism and genocide which continues to this day will never be forgiven. You should be given exactly what you “people” gave to us, times ten. You should be deliberately infected with AIDS and denied treatment, shoved into concentration camps, or shot on sight. Heterosexuality is not normal, it’s just common. “God” created NOTHING.
@IAbuseGays: Goodbye, you racist, self-hating Uncle Tom. Keep believing your name was forged, maybe your feverish fantasy will come true. Don’t steal from the cash register at Mickey D’s.
ewe
@jenkinswes: they they they. Your bizarre gODD is a figment of your imagination. All you are saying is that if you hate then you don’t mind hearing other people spew hate. You are dense. Dumb. Stupid. Small.
AndrewC
@stephen: I DON’T HATE BLACK PEOPLE. THEY HATE ME.WHY DO THEY GET AWAY WITH HURTING ME? CALLING ME NAMES. TAKING AWAY MY CIVIL RIGHTS.I WANT TO GET MARRIED, I WANT TO SERVE OPENLY IN THE MILITARY, I WANT TO HOLD MY BOYFRIEND’S HAND IN PUBLIC WITHOUT MY ASS GETTING KICKED AND THEY HAVE MADE THAT IMPOSSIBLE FOR ME. NOW WHO HATES WHO, HUH?
declanto
wipe your mouth, your phobic, ranting cunt. You are an anxiety-ridden hag that must leap at any opportunity to gnash and flail at whoever comes closest. Calling me names and denying your own words doesn’t absolve you of your abusive frothing-at the -mouth invective. LOL that someone with the call-name Ewe would call me a sheep.
jenkinswes
Wow you gays sure are potty mouth people what happened to the rite to speak your mind or do you people not believe in that whats wrong with yall wake up and see the light before its to late for you
Mark
The man has apologized. Time to move on guys.
declanto
@ewe: @ewe: “Silence him once and for all. This is no different than Michael Richards ranting on about niggers.” Your words. Tell me it’s because you attended an inferior evening course that could only afford a substitute English teacher.
ewe
@jenkinswes: you all? Maybe you need to clean something off so you can resemble a little bit of that light? What makes you think your concern for the “potty mouth” is more aggregious than your bible thumping ignorance?
Dinah
Talk is cheap and doesn’t make up for the damage he caused. It’s much easier to destroy than create.
If he wants another chance with me (and presumably the larger audience who objects to this kind of hate speech), I want to see him put his money (and time and effort) where his mouth is and do some kind of real service to the LGBT community.
ewe
@declanto: and what is it about that comment regarding Michael Richards using the word nigger that you don’t comprehend? Remember i am trying to jolt you into reality. How is that you can construe that as me using the word nigger to insult anyone just because i brought up another comdian peer to compare to Tracy Morgan? You are not all that sharp are you?
ewe
@Dinah: true but i would be happy if he was just demonized for the rest of his life the way he disregarded the value of a gay life.
declanto
@ewe: Dim, puh-leeze. If you’re using a word that’s loaded, you must carefully disarm it with “. Otherwise, sorry. You own it.
ewe
@declanto: says Cuckoo herself. You don’t write the rules Ms. Thing.
ewe
@declanto: You can apologize soon honey. I’m waiting. You twisted cunt. Even when it’s thrown in your filthy face you won’t admit you’re mistaken.
ewe
@declanto: Where’s the quote you think YOU’RE referring to? Since you are such and expert in English and all.
ewe
@declanto: you mentioned quotes “”””? The silence is deafening. You think a word is loaded but Tracy Morgan saying he would stab his gay son is acceptable? And he himself used the word nigger. Well more than once i might add. Where’s your fucking outrage hypocrite?
ewe
@declanto: Hey Dim: I am waiting your rationalization. I mean explanation.
ewe
“E” “X” “P” “l” “A” “N” “A” “T” “I” “O” “N”
declanto
@ewe: http://www.queerty.com/tracy-morgan-apparently-would-stab-his-son-if-he-whined-about-being-bullied-20110609/ comment 37, posted June 10, 10:32am.
Pardon me, I feel I must wash my hands now.
ewe
Ok now i am convinced you have ADHD and OCD. I am not going to repeat myself anymore than i already did. Discussing Michael Richards rant about niggers is the same as discussing Tracy Morgans rant about stabbing gay people. Use lots of soap for those and try in your mouth as well. Then work up to your brain if you can find it.
ewe
@declanto: Ok now i am convinced you have ADHD and OCD. I am not going to repeat myself anymore than i already did. Discussing Michael Richards rant about niggers is the same as discussing Tracy Morgans rant about stabbing gay people. Use lots of soap for those and try in your mouth as well. Then work up to your brain if you can find it.
declanto
@ewe: As I’ve already explained, in any use of a word that may relect badly on the user, the word may be allowed as a referred term by the use of quotes. “Faggot” is not a word to be used when referring to a homosexual. “Queer was once a loaded word as well. “Nigger” is considered a demeaning term for negro. The use of quotes for words is like using a lead container for radioactive material. This is Styling 101.
ewe
@declanto: what the hell one more time. why not. Ok now i am convinced you have ADHD and OCD. I am not going to repeat myself anymore than i already did. Discussing Michael Richards rant about niggers is the same as discussing Tracy Morgans rant about stabbing gay people. Use lots of soap for those hands of yours and try the soap in your mouth as well. Then work up to your brain if you can find it.
And a one and a tow and a three.
declanto
Excuse me, “reflect.”
Sebastian
I will forgive him but I do not beleive in his apology! ” I know that the words I used are indefensible” correct….indefensible! So apology not accepted!
declanto
@ewe: That’s “two”. If anyone on this thread needs soap in their mouth it’s you. I give, you’re just too dense to comprehend the error.
ZT
Vinci : My dude, if you’re overly concerned with “racism” and “classism”…..you’re going to run into constant stress if you’re regularly reading gay blogs. Too many gay-bashings are by those of color, and it’s the “upper classes” that are the most gay-friendly. And too many people just can’t ignore seeing that all over. It’s perfectly okay to be a pan-benevolent guy, interested in all kinds of issues, but I think you have to give some room for other gay guys to have come to their own conclusions about the world without battling them all the time.
ewe
@declanto: And as i already explained to you before you do not make up the rules. But for your benefit i will reitterate that writing about Michael Richards using the word nigger is not in need of quotes no matter how badly you think it reflects on the person who is discussing Michael Richards using the word nigger.
Faggot is a word that is often associated with homosexuals. What world are you living in?
You are writing only one definition for the word nigger and that does not speak for everyone out there. Styling 101 is your personal trip and it could be perceved as quite gay by the way. Not that there is anything wrong with that. You are also wrong about the grammar and although i do not profess to be an expert at it i do recommend you follow the same advice because you happen to be mistaken. I am still waiting for your apology but i won’t hold my breath.
ewe
@declanto: Why do i need soap in my mouth? Because you accused me of racism? That doesn’t make it so and i just proved my point more than once. The only accurate statement you said was i mispelled a word in what happened to be written in a hurried state. You are the bigot. You are also a hyocrite and you are full of double standards. That i did prove.
ewe
That’s hypocrite with a P. Just in case you prefer to display more of your pettiness in defense of your own hypocrisy instead of admitting you are an asshole who jumps to conclusions when anything regarding race is discussed.
Shannon1981
Why does EVERY SINGLE THREAD about homophobia turn to racism?
jenkinswes
yeah well who gives a shit about it any more just let it go
Shannon1981
@jenkinswes: Learn some English and come into the 21st century and get back to us.
jenkinswes
DO not be so angry with the world this is the life style you chose so just be happy
declanto
@ewe: I thought maybe you’d lightened up a little after I read the prosaic #270, followed by the almost coherent #271, then you slip back into name-calling. I was actually thinking of apologising, then I remembered your total rejection of Tracey Morgan’s sincere apologies (plural) and so I decided , what the hell, you can live with it, you oblivious racist asshole.
jenkinswes
@Shannon1981: hey i am getting pretty good at this now
Levon Elms
It would be interesting to know how old you folks are. How many of you/us have participated in racist or otherwise inappropriate jokes in your lifetime? How many of you/us accept that kind of joking from your less desireable friends? How many of you/us are confronting inappropriate bashing, verbally or otherwise? This behavior is a result of acceptance of such. We need to take responsibility for our own behavior and stop accepting it when it suits us. History of comedians we’ve made famous have and continue to make money by telling racist jokes about Whites, Blacks, Hispanics, Poles, Jews, Germans, poor people, rich people, ignorant people, challenged folk,… We all need to do our part to stop accepting behavior that hurts others whether it is a direct assault to us or not. People Have the Power. Start at home! This isn’t about Tracy Morgan, this is about what we support and accept for one and for all!
ewe
@Shannon1981: The only difference between Michael Richards and Tracy Morgan was their target. Race has nothing to do with his ignorance unless it is used as a last resort by those defending the assailant.
sadin
have ppl forgotten that its A JOKE. i AM a lesbian and i say its all funny or none of it is. in comedy, nothings off limits. if ppl wanna get that mad, they should stop making jokes about farting cuz some ppl have a serious condition with that too! grow up america!
declanto
@Levon Elms: Finally, a voice of reason and reconcilliation! Thanks.
Shannon1981
@ewe: That’s my point. I don’t understand why racism came into the Tracy Morgan debate. The man is a homophobe. The color of his skin is irrelevant.
TomMc
Morgan’s latest apology sounds like one from a politician caught in a scandal. Why hasn’t NBC fired him yet?
tindog
@JordanMeehan: No one needs someone with this negative an attitude to “buy it” or anything else. If anyone should go away, it should be you, that would be more productive for the rest of us. Speaking of “intolerance.” Just a tad intractable? Tracy Morgan is a comic, who in trying to be funny, said something outrageous and insensitive. He is clearly trying to right that wrong, but people like you (the kind who believe they already know beyond doubt what’s in everyone else’s heart) are so bent on preserving the issue so you can wave your “he hurt my feelings” flag, that you won’t allow him his amends. You insist on dragging it out. So dig in, hold on to that pain, because it will get precisely nowhere, unless it’s actually a few steps back. Or, better yet, grow some balls, man up, and accept that while you certainly deserve consideration and respect, nobody will beg you for your compassion or understanding.
We do love our issues in this country don’t we? People in this country often sound like 7th Graders screaming, HE SAID…, HE DID…, Waaaaaaaa. Oh no, now I’m gonna hear from the 7th Graders Sensitivity Protection League.
stayingDL4protection
Tracy should attend a Black Gay Pride and give speeches of love and tolerance. this are the section of the GLBT community that get hated on first for being black and worse again for being gay by their Black community.
jeff4justice
@Gigi Gee: I agree. I just think many in the LGBT community are so hardened by hurt (understandably) that they cling to hate and condemnation of people like Morgan and even fellow LGBT folk like Perez Hilton who went on Ellen and apologized for being an ass on his web site. Still, there are gays who won’t be happy until they die i guess.
I can actually empathize with the stupidity of an anti-gay person (who is they way they are for living in fear) and I certainly appreciate when an anti-gay person shows an opening to learning and understanding.
ewe
@declanto: So i guess what you are saying is that if you did apologize it would be as hollow and meaningless as Tracy Morgan saying he was oh so very “sawry to awll moi fans and da lgbt cummoonity.” lol.
ewe
@Shannon1981: Re: no. 284- I agree.
Dr. Dick
@Levon Elms: DEAR LAWD, somebody else level headed enough to see the issues @ hand. Watching these discussions is really depressing; so many passionate, articulate queers with strong (albeit differing) views, and yet every post on complex issues degenrates into a clique-y catfight! and yet, as I’ve started posting more recently, I notice that no one (even the most vocal and combative of ’em) ever responds when I pose a fair, reasonable question.
It’s like trying to reason with Christian(Louboutin) ZEALOTS: total agreement, or total excommunication
ewe
We aren’t talking about the fact Tracy Morgan is an asshole. Who cares about that. I am an asshole too. He is a homophobic bigot on stage talking violence against gay people including his own flesh and blood. It isn’t funny. Making fun of yourself so other people can identify with you as something they can relate doing or being themselves is humorous. Gay bashing is not fucking funny.
ewe
@jeff4justice:Re: no. 288- You are very good at internalizing someone elses shit as your own. You can get as far away from me as possible with that bullshit.
ewe
@Dr. Dick: What’s to fucking agree with Tracy Morgan about? There’s your question for you.
Shannon1981
@ewe: I am honestly alarmed that there are gay people, regardless of skin color, defending this man, for a few reasons:
1) Violence against LGBT people around the world is a very real problem. It is NEVER a joke.
2) He has a history of pretty bold homophobic antics that are only getting worse.
3) This wasn’t a racist rant. Unfortunately, there are sects of black culture that use variations of the N- bomb(sorry I won’t say it). But the point is, he wasn’t being racist at all, and definitely not against his own race.
4) This is obvious damage control. You don’t even THINK, much less say things like this without agreeing with them, in jest or otherwise.
5) As someone said upthread, talking about stabbing his own son for being gay is nothing short of chilling, and, furthermore, makes me question his parenting skills. How do we know he won’t snap if his kid turns out gay and do something to the boy?
Now, I will say this: He can’t turn back time. He can’t undo what has been done, and if any advocacy he involves himself in helps people, then great.
Dr. Dick
@Shannon1981: No, the color of his skin only started mattering to me when people called for him to be “lynched”.
And also, to be fair, race was dragged in by both “defenders” and “the lynch mob” equally by both parties across the spectrum of these discussions.
Whenever a “jason” or “therealadam” said “If he was white, he’d be XYZ…” they were making a racial claim, that the public holds black people to a less stringent standard about homophobia, and people (mostly black people) “defended” this demonized “Black Mindset”, but what I’ve seen more is people trying to explain something that can’t be explained. If you’ve never been queer & black, confronted with the textbook “Ghetto” realm, you now exactly what they’re thinking when they call you a “faggot” and you know/understand why. That’s not justification, it’s beating one’s head against a wall.
No one is standing up for it, no one likes it (ESPECIALLY not us “queen black uncle toms”), but either you personally UNDERSTAND the root of the problem (and thus, can feel sympathy for THEIR mental plight) or YOU DON’T.
Prejudice is a disease too, and not an incurable one, we don’t villify Ex-Ex-Gays this way (not the same sitch, but you get my point)
ewe
@tindog: Wrong. Tracy Morgan apologized because he sees his gravy train ending if he didn’t. He said he was sorry because people fucking called him on his homophobic rant. And unless you personally know him and have spoken to him about it then my interpretation makes more sense than yours. And you are only responding to comment number one? Hurry it up girl. You’re late!!!
ewe
@Shannon1981: re; No.295: I agree and Tracy Morgan doesn’t really even deserve to be forgiven for what he said and did. It is disgraceful that people can just say that a simple sorry is sufficient. I don’t buy it for a second.
ewe
@Dr. Dick: I get your point but I really did miss the comment asking for Tracy Morgan to be lynched. Will you direct me to it please. Just tell me the number so i can verify what you said. thanks.
Dr. Dick
I think ultimately, the reason certain white/gay/males here are feeling so bad-mouthed by black queers(here & in the real world) is the fact that White Males (gay or not- gay ain’t a skin color sugar) have no natural historical enemies in the wild… So having to defend a larger culture with which you don’t always agree, but to which you always pertain… I don’t know, I just don’t think you can explain “cultural context” to a group that, according to some cultural anthropologists i know, LACK unifying culture.
There, that’s the harshest thing I’ll ever say behind someone’s back (cuz babez, that’s all this is, people slandering eachother anonymously, no matter how grandiose our intentions:P )
Dr. Dick
@ewe: well for starters # 108 calls for him to be “taken our and shot”
http://www.queerty.com/do-you-accept-tracy-morgans-apology-for-his-anti-gay-rant-20110610/
But gimme a sec on the “lynchin”, either they came down or I’m lookin in the wrong place. Also, “Queer Supremacist” added “Lynch Tracy Morgan” to their handle @ least once…
Dr. Dick
@Dr. Dick: Oh, also #124 in that same post,
“Tracy Morgan should be lynched. That’s right, lynched. I want to see him taken out into the middle of West Hollywood, whipped, beaten, and hanged.”
Like I’ve said and said… ad nauseum, I DON’T DEFEND HIS STATEMENTS, but I understand the mindset of the people in his upbringing that would make that seem even HALF funny (and mind you, he’s a drunk)
Shannon1981
@Dr. Dick: Firstly, I didn’t know about the “lyching”comment, and yes that was out of line. Secondly. I am black and queer. But I think iti s a bit different for female bodied humans in this situation than it is for male bodied humans. Also, I can say that, other than one incident with a redneck “friend” in 7th grade, I have, almost literally, been untouched by direct racism. Obviously I’ve SEEN it, but nobody has ever shouted a racist slur at me or anything like that.
However, I have experienced plenty of overt homophobia. That is the hateful prejudice that has touched my life most.
Now that you know where I am coming from, here is my reasoning: I am concerned that people are trying to make this about something that it shouldn’t be about. If it becomes a race war, his homophobia is excused and brushed under the rug, and nothing changes. EVERY SINGLE TIME someone in a position of influence, no matter who they are, pulls something like this, call it out. Crucify them in the media. Let people know that it isn’t acceptable, and DO NOT make it about something else.
Dr. Dick
@ewe: also, re:”What’s to fucking agree with Tracy Morgan about? There’s your question for you”
I don’t know what I said to provoke that, but for 1 he and I agree that we’re male, and also that we’re black, and I bet one or both of those would open the door to many, many other agreements. Are you really implying that one can’t agree with, or (Atheist anti-god forbid!) have things in common with people who don’t see eye to eye with them????
Because if that’s how you feel, I got news for you… you and the most Gay-Hating of Gay-Haters both agree that food is nice, so’s shelter, water, the love of your family (WHATever that means to you).
If you can’t see yourself in your enemies,
HOW WILL YOU SEE YOUR ENEMIES IN YOURSELF????
Dr. Dick
@Shannon1981: I TOTALLY AGREE 🙂 Now I’m getting somewhere!
All I add to your shpeel is that, in this particular forum, I’ve heard the same reasoning that Neo-Nazi skinheads have spouted DIRECTLY TO MY FACE.
Understanding the root of a problem, that’s what I actively focus upon, and I challenge those hetero-norms, everyday of my life. Living in SF, people think it’s paradise, but the reality is, the Bay Area is VERY diverse, meaning not just the ubiquitous upper-mid class liberals, but also every kind of Black, Brown blah blah you can imagine, and these are working class communities, where the Church is their backbone. So when I hear Indignant White Queens on here spouting really hurtful shit, I get both defensive, and I feel self-conscious about sad defensiveness, because I may knwo that they’re wrong in a given instance, but they’re MY PEOPLE, and non blacks look @ us the same, whether or not they know I’m queer. And yet, I’m defending a people who, most chances they get, publically mock my “gay” appearance, and have been doing so since I was 9…
It’s really complicated is my point, and I’d like for people (esp. those WITHout the burden of ethinc-culture lol) to try and UNDERSTAND a problematic individual/community, cuz understandin’s half the battle!
Dr. Dick
@Dr. Dick: Hello?
Dr. Dick
@ewe: sorry, that “Hello?” was @ you buddy…
Chico
Yes. Perfect. Fight each other. Tear each other appart. Resort to name calling. Be little drama queens. Don’t worry one bit. It doesn’t make the gay community look bad at all. Go on ahead… be hatefull of the man’s skin color; after all, he is hateful of queers so in the end, it is totally justifiable. Yes? Can’t the energy expelled here be better used in opposition to someone else who deserves it, someone legitimately hating on us. Making each other a target because of disagreements is pety shizz. Grow up, hold your tongue, and use some of this ridiculous venom against those who do nothing but tear us down. This infighting… well, that would make all of opponents so effing proud.
TomMc
@Shannon1981: – re: 295. Well put! Very clear and impressive post.
Shannon1981
@Dr. Dick: The race trolling on Queerty is definitely out of control, but hopefully under new ownership, that will change, and said change can be accomplished sans censorship.
@TomMc: Thank you!
And sorry for the delay in responding guys, I was surfing in class and the teach gave me the eye for it LOL.
ewe
@AndrewC: I don’t hate you AndrewC. I hope you get to do all those things.
ewe
@Dr. Dick: i hope those are isolated comments cause i don’t think the majority of people here feel that way.
Alias28
No comedian should ever have to apologize for anything they say on stage. Its an act and nothing more than entertainment. If you do not live in the “world of funny” then shut up and go back to crunching numbers or writing stuff down at your own job. Lay off the cry baby bull-shit or also go and protest every actor in any movie who ever opposed your views or hurt someone…. oh wait that would be crazy right? its just a movie… just like Tracy Morgan was playing a charact…. nevermind.. you all are hopeless.
terrill davis
@AndrewC: It’s so easy for everyone here to be upset and want everyone to be fired and so on and so forth.. Think about it, WE are protected by the 1st Amendment, you know, the whole freedom of speech thing.. So comedy is an art form, something that people do for a living, you mean to tell me that just because you (no one in particular) are homosexual you’ve never said anything to offend someone or made someone feel insecure. If so then you are God/Jesus are should be walking on water. I have nothing against peoples choice of sexual preference, but this is just too much, I wasn’t raised to see color or sexual orientation.. Hell, I’ve been called nigger so much for a while I thought that was my name. I have a few gay family members and I don’t treat them any differently because they’re gay. In fact they are two of my favorite cousins because of their personality. People grow up.
Vinci S.
http://www.deadline.com/2011/06/video-tracy-morgan-apologizes-for-homophobic-remarks-in-nashville/#comments