Thanks for the compliment, I feel the same way about you- it’s much more enjoyable to debate the matter with people that are actually open to discussion!

I actually think that the situation could be well served by making a “domestic partnership” which could be entered into by any two consenting adults, not exculding male/female.

This could contain the same laws, protections, supposed tax breaks (which exipre next year and I doubt will be brought back anyway) and every other benefit including insurance and hospital visits, heck throw in adoption (I’m on the fence on that one but open to additional thinking on it).

But that doesn’t seem to cut it for homosexuals and so the battle wages on.

I’l be honest with you, you make the most sense to me and have the best frigging argument of anyone I’ve conversed with here. You are someone I can actually enjoy discussing the issue with.

Which brings me to your other question, I define normal as that which is commonly accepted or what is deemed decent and acceptable by a majority of others. This is not to say people do not have the right to do as they please within the confines of their home. What you or anyone does behind your walls is your buisness alone, with the provision that it is consentual of course, other than that anything goes. It is when it is brought outside and thrust upon others that I have a problem with it and when it demands special laws or regulations to enable it I am against that as well.

And another question- what is your definition of “perversity”?

If someone cannot counter me without becoming beligerant and insultive then they are the ones with a problem and I will be forced to deal with them in the only ways they understand.

For those capable of polite discourse I can take a place in the comversation. There are two points of view one of which is sorely lacking in this venue.

My life is quite grand and I’m a fairly happy person however I see too much pain and perversity in the world and think that only by joining groups and taking my turn at dealing out the truth is the only way to deal with that.

You’re clearly a pretty unhappy person; I suggest you go deal with your problems and resolve whatever personal problems are making you so unfulfilled, instead of taking your unhappiness on all of us here.

This is not against any law and in fact if more communities did as such we’d have a lot less problems in this country.

Do you think anyone believes you? You wrote, “One of those freaks moved into our subdivision and I assure you the ink didn’t dry on their mortgage before they ‘decided’ to live elsewhere.” Nobody is going to move out of a house they just bought that quickly unless something catastrophic happened.

So, let’s see you explain what got this person to “decide” and how a “judge” or “law enforcement personnel” would turn a blind eye to whatever was going on. That should be interesting. It will be a good indication of how slimy you and your neighbors are (and for all we know, you could easily be making it all up, a pattern you’ve showed in any number of comments).

Even in your cozy little neighborhood, when karma comes, I doubt it’ll knock.

B: Actually every home in my subdivision is owned and lived in by either a Judge, Law Enforcement personnel, and business owners. It is a small community of only 64 houses and every neighbor knows the entire community. Quite a nice place to live actually.

I’m thankful I don’t live where you do as well. I’d no sooner want you for a neighbor then you would want me.

So now tell me is it worse to beat a homosexual then a disabled man?

Is it worse to attack a homosexual then an infant?

So why is one a hate crime and the other just a crime?

Sanity will prevail shortly after 2012 and this and other ridiculous laws and amendments will be retracted or recinded.

Until then no one can tell me who I have to work with or live near. I assure you no crime has been committed by myself or others on my behalf. However there are many ways to get ones point accross that are indeed perfectly legal.

On another note – Michael Letterman, wow…I fear that you are one of many, many voices, which is a shame…because, if you hadn’t noticed, the President signed into law the Mathew Shepard Act…on on October 28, 2009 making sexual orientation part of the 1969 United States federal hate-crime law.

As such, eventually every state will have an law in place where sexual orientation discrimination will be illegal. Whether you or anyone like you would like to admit, time is on our side.

We’re thankful you don’t live here!

And “One of those freaks moved into our subdivision and I assure you the ink didn’t dry on their mortgage before they ‘decided’ to live elsewhere.”

It appears that your subdivision is infested with criminals. However, thanks for posting a very good reason for covering all LGBT people by anti-discrimination and hate-crime laws. Maybe you’d care to say exactly what you know about this obviously forced “decision”. If you won’t tell us, would you be willing to tell the police or FBI? After all, what you described sounds like criminal activity. Are you by any chance an accessory after the fact? Inquiring minds want to know.

Let it go, dear. It’s okay to be an abomination.

One of those freaks moved into our subdivision and I assure you the ink didn’t dry on their mortgage before they “decided” to live elsewhere.

Explain http://finduslaw.com/california_employment_law and
http://finduslaw.com/californi.....2900_12996

From the latter:

12920. It is hereby declared as the public policy of this state
that it is necessary to protect and safeguard the right and
opportunity of all persons to seek, obtain, and hold employment
without discrimination or abridgment on account of race,religious
creed, color, national origin, ancestry, physical disability, mental disability, medical condition, marital status, sex, age, or sexual orientation.

If you follow the link to http://deskinlawfirm.com/sex_a.....rimination you’ll read, “It is also illegal to discriminate against you because you do not fit into gender stereotypes. Therefore, transsexuals cannot be discriminated against.”

The only exceptions are when some characteristic prevents a person from performing the job in question – i.e., a movie studio does not have to hire a woman to play Abraham Lincoln in a civil-war movie unless the woman actually can realistically pass as Abraham Lincoln (which is highly unlikely).

According to http://articles.directorym.com.....orida.html

“Seventeen states and the District of Columbia have laws that currently prohibit sexual orientation discrimination in private employment: California, Connecticut, Hawaii, Illinois, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, Minnesota, Nevada, New Hampshire, New Jersey, New Mexico, New York, Rhode Island, Vermont, Washington, and Wisconsin. Some of these states also specifically prohibit discrimination based on gender identity. (In addition, six states have laws prohibiting sexual orientation discrimination in public workplaces only: Colorado, Delaware, Indiana, Michigan, Montana, and Pennsylvania.)”

and

“If you have an employee who feels that he or she has been treated unfairly and/or injured because of his or her sexual orientation, that employee can still sue you under a number of legal theories that have nothing to do with discrimination.

“These theories include the following:

* “intentional or negligent infliction of emotional distress
* “harassment
* “assault
* “battery
* “invasion of privacy
* “defamation
* “interference with employment contract, and
* “termination in violation of public policy.”

So, even in Florida, which does not explicitly forbid discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation, there are still grounds to sue an employer who discriminates.

Much like it one can discriminate against pedophiles and other perverse sexual groups.

Kevin: Sorry checked “my bible” no mention of Jesus anywhere in it. And in no way do I derive my belief in the perverseness of queers from any religion. So kindly quit your fascination with “ass” and get back to me when you are ready to rejoin humanity as a normal person.

Fragile egos often inflate themselves to compensate for shortcomings, and when challenged often lash out violently for lack of imagination. This is a *classic* case just waiting to recur, I hope someone appreciates the similarity to countless incidents in the past and takes proactive steps to prevent it.

Furthermore, (not further more) Michael, some folks are born Male and Female, about 1% of all births has internal and external organs of BOTH sexes. Even God said, “male AND female made I them”, not “male OR female made I them”.

In short, get your head out of your ass, and get back to us when you have your facts in order.

Though discrimination on both matters is illegal in my state, and race is obviously protected under Federally mandated non-discrimination laws in the States, i’m all ears as to your reply.

(And, uh, incidentally, i think, whether or not this was legal, what happened to that poor girl is what my people call a ‘low down dirty shame’.)

Discrimination against abomination is just fine.

Nicholas: she did get the justice she deserved, you got kicked out.

I only know two transgendered people, and one is (or at least was when I left) a McDonald’s employee. (The other is his spouse; they were going through it together in opposite directions. Which left me wondering about whether their marriage remained legal or not, but I figured it wasn’t my business to ask)

“The McDonald’s on International Drive and Sand Lake Road issued a statement Monday evening saying, “Sand Lake Road McDonald’s has a strict policy prohibiting any form of discrimination or harassment in hiring, termination, or any other aspect of employment in the organization. The restaurant requires all employees to comply with local, state and federal employment laws.”

“The behavior of the individual in question is not reflective of the employment policies in the organization. Further, this individual acted outside the scope of his authority and was not responsible for hiring. The individual in question is no longer employed by the restaurant,” the statement said.”

http://www.clickorlando.com/ne.....etail.html

8 Years i spent voluntering and they kicked me out for being gay. I hope she gets the justice she deserves.

At least be truthful about your hate, its more comfortable.

If you don’t see anything wrong with this, there is something wrong with you.

Regardless of whether this manager has the legal right to discriminate against her for her lifestyle choices, leaving someone a voicemail like that is wrong and completely unprofessional.

I have no doubt in my mind that he will be let go.

If a person underwent elective surgery to add a third eye in their forehead McDonald’s would not hire them either. I for one would walk out of a place where any such monstrosity would be handling my food. While I rarely go to McDonald’s for other reasons I fully support them in this decision.

1) trying to get the license changed is impossible in 3 states, very difficult in others
2) trying to afford “irreversible surgery” is an absurd demand for most people, let alone ones who are discriminated against & experience high jobless rates