If anti-gay teenagers ask you if you’re gay, say “no.” That’s a lesson two British men learned the hard way:
The victims, aged 29 and 31, were wearing commando-style fancy-dress costumes, having attended a Christmas party. They were jeered at and asked if they were gay.
When one of the men, who is not gay, said he was and joked with the group, they reacted violently and punched and kicked him and his friend to the floor before stamping on them. The 29-year-old victim sustained a broken cheekbone and substantial bruising to his face and body and the second victim sustained cuts and bruises.
Munye also attempted to burn part of one of the victim’s outfits. Other passengers on the bus were so scared they moved away as they believed the group would turn on them. The attackers got off the bus in Rosebery Avenue.
The attackers, aged 18 and 19, will spend the next 15-months in prison. Maybe they’ll learn a lesson, too.
Shabaka
So one year and they’re out back to punching and stamping on people?
Jonathon
15 months is pretty decent for this attack.
Dubwise
Shabaka: Think of it this way…they have one year to keep their precious str8 a$$es virginal. I would hope they’d get multiple unsolicited fingers and other parts in their anuses….but who am I to wish harm.
Beelzebab
Here you can see what type of shit everyone, not just gays, on London buses has to put up from black yoof all the time- which is one of the reasons why whites in London, mainly living in the suburbs, voted in such large numbers against Ken Livingstone and for the conservative Boris Johnson.
Dubwise
Beelzebab: I assume it’s a problem of yoof’s not necessarily black yoof’, but I don’t live there.
Beelzebab
Dubwise, mainly a black yoof problem, and not just black, but other unassimilated immigrant yoof – just last week a white 16 year old was slashed to death in an insane attack in a bread shop, the kid had taken refuge inside after refusing to fight, and this turkish immigrant yoof kicked in the shut glass door to get at him.
At the moment London is plagued by dozens of stabbings to death by black yoof on other black yoof, luckilly (luckilly???!!) they are only stabbing each other to death in utterly insane postcode wars (zipcode wars) where if you wonder into their zones they will kill you. Mad.
There are hundreds of (unreported) attacks by blacks on whites travelling on the busses, as well as them killing and attacking each other.
Just the other day a pack of 20 of them was pulled off a bus in south london after they all got on tooled up with a whole variety of different weapons and the bus driver called the police locked the bus doors and the police surrounded the bus.
hell's kitchen guy
A lot of gay bashings are against people who aren’t but are perceived to be gay. “Fancy dress’ means drag, BTW.
Dubwise
Beelzebab: I can’t refute your claims. I’ll defer to your knowledge of the situation. Assimilation is a terribly difficult thing to tackle. England and Europe is going to have to deal with it. I’d suggest NOT looking to us (the USA) for guidance on this.
jbran
Dubwise, assimilation is one of the things that the US is actually doing well, believe it or not.
Shabaka
Honestly, proper sentencing isn’t my expertise in legal matters, but it does seem short. 15 months? Scary!
Well Beelzebab, go ahead and blame a certain race for the failure of society as a whole! Way to go!
CHURCHILL-Y
We have the same problem here with similar thugs Beelzebab, In France and the UK it’s becoming more accentuated by the sheer number of muslim immigrants, soon to come to the US if some people get their way. “If anti-gay teenagers ask you if you’re gay, say “no.†“- Hell NO! the Western Nations are not africa or the middle east these thugs only understand and respect one thing, FORCE. If one of them approaches me with that dumbfuck question I’ll give’m HELL and make sure there asses go straight back to the third world nation they came from. Wake up HOMOS before we’re being beheaded by these Apes in public squares.
Paul Raposo
“Other passengers on the bus were so scared they moved away as they believed the group would turn on them.”
A bus load of adults were afraid of TWO teenagers? No, they were afraid of two black teenagers who were bashing a couple of percieved gay men–fear and indifference. Kitty Genovese UK style. Where have all the men gone?
And HKG, in the UK fancy dress means costume; as in going to a fancy dress ball–going to a costume party.
I think the fact that these teens attacked men who were dressed as soldiers could very well bring into question their motives. London is after all plagued with Muslim imigrants who, as Beelzebab pointed out, refuse to assimilate. British soldiers are in Iraq and Afghanistan. Makes one wonder.
CHURCHILL-Y
“Well Beelzebab, go ahead and blame a certain race for the failure of society as a whole! Way to go!”- Shabaka
Everyone knows the behavior and mentality of those thugs(not only the young ones), everywhere those people establish themselves at this sort of sh*t starts to happen. But what can any law abiding man or woman expect from someone who uses
Shabaka as a name? Lame spinning and to accuse people who have to put up with these criminals on a daily basis of somehow being the cause of their homicidal behavior.
Dubwise
Shabaka: Beelzebab didn’t single out any one race as being to blame for the failure of society. My understanding was that he was using “black” as a blanket term for non-whites.
He mentioned a Turkish yoof in specific incident and then switched back to “black”…but my reading comprehension skills have always been up for debate.
CHURCHILL-Y
“assimilation is one of the things that the US is actually doing well, believe it or not.”-jbran
Either you live in cave in some National Park or you are one of those militant immigrants. Hell, we even have some here who after some couple of hundred years still don’t assimilate. Any of y’all just make a visit to LA, NYC or any other city here to see how well assimilated these people are. Thanks for the good laugh though.
charles
I disagree-yeah it’s not perfect, but, at least in terms of the Arab Muslim population-you don’t have rampant unemployment and young men turning to radical violent religion to fill a void in their lives. And I think that race isn’t even discussed in places like Germany and France-Algerians there have just as bad or worse prospects than black people in the ghetto. There isn’t much of a middle class minority population over there like there is in the US and they will likely never have minority politicians,let alone a non-white presidential candidate.
As bad as the US is, it’s ahead of Europe in many respects.
RPCV
Well, if the str8ie who joked about being gay hadn’t joked about being gay he would not have been assaulted. Lesson here is to NEVER admit you’re gay if asked. If all the twinks, trannies, and femmies would act like MEN and not talk with lisps, not laugh hysterically over nothing, not walk like a big ass ‘ho swinging those hips from side to side, and not swing their arms all over the place when talking, then there would be no assaults on gays…….. Just a thought.
Paul Raposo
“…talk with lisps, not laugh hysterically over nothing, not walk like a big ass ‘ho swinging those hips from side to side, and not swing their arms all over the place when talking, then there would be no assaults on gays…”
Well, what are all the drunks, guidos and ginos, Italians, eastern Europeans, French and Asians suppose to do then? Following those guidelines they’ll all have to stay at home lest being perceived as gay and assaulted.
Thom
Whoa.
It seems bigotry is alive and well within the gay community. Nice one, guys.
RPCV
Thom: As if anything that has been written is NOT the truth!! Thom, poor Thom, wake up and smell the coffee……… Just a thought.
michael
They should of got 15 years.
michael
When my partner and I moved to Vancouver B.C. 3 years ago the B.C. courts handed down sentencing against a group of men that beat a gay man to death in world famous Stanley Park with baseball bats. Some of the men were just under 18. They received absolutely no jail time. The remainder were sentenced to six years.
I have learned that extreme liberalism can be as bad as extreme conservatism. Vancouver has a lot of ongoing issues with gay bashing in West End. But the city is more concerned with protecting Granville St which is the party street for the straights.
All that glitters is not gold in these countries that claim to be more progressive than the states.
RPCV
No 21 Michael: You wrote: “They should of got 15 years.” Did you graduate high school??? Proper English, even for gay Canadians, is “They should have got 15 years.” Whatever happened to the King’s English?? Just a thought…..
hells kitchen guy
“And HKG, in the UK fancy dress means costume; as in going to a fancy dress ball–going to a costume party.” I meant costumes. Often that means drag.
Tegucigalpa Todd
RPCV – you’re a complete pain in the ass. Just a thought…..
RPCV
Tegus Todd: At least you used correct grammar and spelling……. Just a compliment. Te amo tambien.
Peter Pan
Political correctness is wrong and dishonest and has been designed by those who manipulate us for their own evil ends (to cause friction which they exploit)!
Correctness is all that’s needed!
A thing can’t be more true than true, or more correct than correct!
It is imperative that the race of the victim and attacker be mentioned. Anything else would be manipulating people (political correctness).
I first and foremost love my own race but I respect all other races, as long as they respect mine! So if another race attacks mainly people of my own race I need to know about it so I can try and find out why this is so.
As for assimilation, I lived for over thirty years in South Africa (I’m white) and I can assure you that assimilation, according to my observations, is not part of the great designers plan. (Watch CNN re the current xenophobia (racism) attacks taking place this very minute in South Africa.)
After all, he (it?) created different races, tribes, nations and a multitude of languages for a reason! If we are all assimilating we are destroying the ‘grand design’.
To assimilate is not natural.
That’s why one finds that a nation that allows immigrants from many different nations to enter and live amongst it will change to a nation of many nations!
The cohesion that made the original nation attractive to other nations to move to it in the first place, is gone, and the once strong and focused nation is now just a weak patch-work nation that can easily be manipulated. (BTW. That’s exactly the way it’s planned by the NWO.)
We should (and in the end will have to) all love and respect each other! But it must come naturally, not forced!
John
politically correctness, race, etc it’s all about economics…
not sure who said it up there but I live in London and I think you’re talking about Somali immigrants? Those kids look Somali and would it be a shock that they have a gang mentality when they’ve come from a war torn country?
and get your head out of your ass whoever said it’s a black (immigrant thing), have you been to dagenham?? Or any where in Manchester or even up north? I wasn’t going to say anything but you’re speaking shit. I’ve worked with youth, hostels, prison hostels etc AND the kind of crime you get varies on what are you are at…
the jamaicans (cause other west indians are so gentle and passive it’s odd with regards to a gun mentality) are the yardies AND they only fight each other!? You should know this!? But somehow I don’t think you’re actually trying to engage in an interesting debate about race, power and economics.
The Jews from the 20’s pretty much were in charge of the east end London & North for years and they too got the shit you just spieled but they were able to try and assimilate and now, well, The good ol jewish london gangsters who terrorised London in the 60’s are nothing but an east london folklore…
oh what about the Irish-(err IRA?), The Italians? The greeks????
These races impressively ruled London for years until the yardies (from Jamaica) came over in the 70’s/80’s…
if people want to believe what some of those weird people above who ‘claim’ to be British say, then you’re gullible and stupid. Just go on google and google London gang wars if you want to know all the facts about the history of London and it’s longstanding affair with gangs. Or better still speak to a Londoner!?
i just can’t believe someone who claims to be from london would come out with such tosh!
fyi-the black gangs (jamaica) tend to kill each other-erm, have you heard of black on black crime???????????
John
Assimilation is not natural??? Erm, yes and no. Not being funny but what did you guys do with all the native americans, who were, erm, natives of America-kill them all? They weren’t made to assimilate? Do you guys really think that you are all pure in race? Really? A country that’s only a few centuries old that was built on poor immigrants either escaping persecution or famine? Do you think you’re ancestors, were, erm, sorry to be blunt, not FORCED out of their mother land cause they were poor-hence found it easier to assimilate with other poor immigrants??
Ha, you dudes make me laugh! Nothing like selective history AND memory!! Rock On!!
Now repeat after me, ‘I’m white, I’m white, I AM WHITE!!!’..
Phew…feel much better now..
Paul Raposo
“Whatever happened to the King’s English??”
The Queen’s English; the King is dead and I don’t mean Elvis.
ousslander
RCPV, what you said is idiotic. I’ll be me anyway that isand anyone wants to start something, bring it on. PLus I know some trannies that can throw down like nobody’s business.
The two attackers should be hauld into a yrad and shot in the head. Put them and their ilk down like rabid animals because they aren’t much better.
RPCV
The real problem is, and one that no one wants to touch for fear of not being politically correct, is that blacks have NEVER assimiliated ANYWHERE in the world except for their one-and-only Africa. The worst thing the US ever did was grant equal rights to blacks. The nation will never recover from the negative, unwanted effects of that action, including people occupying jobs that they are not mentally and/or physically capable of performing and which they obtained only to erroneously correct prior perceived injusticies. The solution to the Iraq quandry is to segregate the Kurds, Shiites, and Sunnis. The solution to crime in the US is to ship all blacks back to Africa with a $10000 check for resettlement.
John
RCPV:
And then what? Stop being so boringly predicatable and so STOOPID! I’m all for shipping them back but and then what??
If you have an intelligent theory-that ACTUALLY makes sense looking back at history-then it’d be welcomed. And stop crying like a big baby, what you said is not controversial AT ALL. Grow up. People need to get a big life if they don’t believe in racism. It’s life-get over it.
I feel bad for you cause that ship thing isn’t going to happen anytime soon. sob, sob. Bad luck huh?
Look what happened in Germany with the Jews? And now-the Jews are the most successful race in the planet.
Jus sayin….
(we live in (not so) free world, speak your mind!)
RPCV
John: You wrote “And then what?”
Answer: We can all unlock our doors without fear of being robbed and/or raped, walk in the park fear of being mugged, walk in the malls without having to listen to rap music and see black male asses protruding from their pants dangling down by their knees, and, most importantly, take affirmative action and properly dump it in the trash can because we will all be able to compete on a level playing field. I like all these advantages, don’t you? Just a thought…….
Shabaka
CHURCHILL-Y my dear, SHABAKA derives from the name Shabatka, an early Pharoah of the Kushite dynasty. I woudldn’t expect you to know that though. Since “APES” wouldn’t know the 1st thing about civilization and good mannerism! Pathetic!
As for the rest of you queens of pure arian blood, have a great week end!!
John
RPCV:
But there was still shit THEN?! Ask your parents! This is life. The fact is-as an American-a frigging immigrant, you have NO RIGHT to have any feeling on who or what comes into your country. You should be pissed off with your government-not a whole race you know NOTHING about…? Come on-that makes your argument so erratic.
The Native Americans can say the same thing about the white race in the UK-(despite the fact it was mostly the English), they left their doors open and gave you fuking food and you EXTERMINATED them.
I’m no ass but mate, that is what I call KARMA.
I’m interested in your consistency in not having selective choices here but what are your feelings about the views people have about gays? Spreading AIDS, Cancer, Pedophilia etc?
Not sure what it’s like in the US but in the UK-as you’ve seen white or black people have all sorts of shit to say about gays….I could go on…
Do you agree with what people say about Gays? Older gay men and their pedo ways? So predatory?
Is it really that black & white in your world? If it is then dude, I want some of what your on! Cause from were I’m sitting, we live in a world that is full of redundant bullshit.
John
TYPO:
The Native Americans can say the same thing about the white race-(despite the fact it was mostly the English and not other ‘white’ countries), they left their doors open and gave you fuking food and you EXTERMINATED them.
Kid A
Actually RCPV #23, your correction should “have” been “They should have gotten 15 years” instead of simply “They should have got 15 years.”
Gotten being the past participle of “get.” Just a thought.
RPCV
Kid A: You’re partially correct. Either got or gotten is acceptable. I encourage you to check your English grammar book(s), which would be a far more productive use of your time than carrying out promiscuous sexual activity this holiday weekend.
Kid A
What the fuck are you talking about? I haven’t been laid in weeks, my friend, and my wildest moments could hardly be considered promiscuous. I encourage you to stop being ridiculous, although you gave me a good chuckle.
And “have got” is acceptable, but only in the present tense, as in “I have got a new car.” In this situation, you were speaking in the past tense.
fredo777
Wow. I’m all for people speaking their minds + not being overly concerned with what’s PC (if that’s not how they truly feel, that is) but some of the biased, bigoted bullsh*t I’ve read here is nauseating.
Ed
Good for you Kid A, I was so tempted to respond to RPCV myself! Illiteracy in the UK is shockingly high, being corrected should be thanked, not seen as an attack.
RPCV
Fredo777: you’re back!! Are you interested in petitioning the government for the first of the $10000 resettlement checks? If yes, let me know, and I’ll second your request out the taxes I pay this year……….. Just a thought.
fredo777
Oh, RPCV, that’s too precious.
You’d be pretty funny, actually, if you weren’t so very pathetic.
Beelzebab
Whoaaaa, there’s a lot of anger on here, as issues long forbidden to be expressed and articulated are erupting out. I think basically because we’re all utterly fed up with being silenced.
I think the elephant in the room that everyone wants to ignore and everyone is too frightened to say is that black people’s involvement in violent crime is off the scale, both here in the UK and in the USA. – blacks dominate all forms of violent crime, from rape to mugging.
I did some internet checking and In the USA -in 2006, blacks were 37.5 percent of all state and federal prisoners, though they’re under 13 percent of the national population. About one in 33 black men was in prison in 2006, compared with one in 205 white men and one in 79 Hispanic men. And to abbreviate – The evidence is clear: black prison rates result from crime, not racism. If it were racism then muslims, hispanics, indians, pakistanis etc etc would also be in prison in similar proportions.
Also in the US – in 2005, the black homicide rate was over seven times higher than that of whites and Hispanics combined, according to the federal Bureau of Justice Statistics. From 1976 to 2005, blacks committed over 52 percent of all murders in America. In 2006, the black arrest rate for most crimes was two to nearly three times blacks’ representation in the population. Blacks constituted 39.3 percent of all violent-crime arrests, including 56.3 percent of all robbery and 34.5 percent of all aggravated-assault arrests, and 29.4 percent of all property-crime arrests.
I was discussing all this last night with a collection of my gay friends and we all shamefacedly revealed that we have only ever had trouble on London’s streets and on the busses from blacks – EVERYONE OF US, never from whites.
We do have a problem folks and we have to face it.
Beelzebab
Is the Criminal-Justice System Racist?
http://www.city-journal.org:80/2008/18_2_criminal_justice_system.html
a must read for everyone
Tallskin
Hmmmm, indeed Beelzebab, The argument you are not allowed to make; everybody knows it’s true, even the black community, but policymakers/black community leaders/media whilst they feebly try to address the consequences which everyone sees – gun crime, knife crime etc – never 1) address the fact of disfunctionality in black families, or 2) address the reason – poverty, both materially and in cultural terms, or 3) attempt any kind of study about propensity towards crime/violence in black culture/society. Its this last one thats most feared, because it opens up the possibility of genetic/racial predisposition towards lawbreaking/violence/crime.
CHURCHILL-Y
Beelzebab, It’s a breath of fresh air to see some actually speaking the truth. I sincerely hope that the authorities take charge of the situation over there and that both you and your friends don’t have to endure more abuse. After seeing the reports of the Lillian Ladele case and now this one I don’t know how can anyone argue against what you are writing. Out of curiosity though I want to ask you to the best of your knowledge from where do the bulk of the black population that now resides in the U.K and causing all this criminal activity originally comes from? I’m asking because from reading other news from places under British Overseas Territory status such as the Caymans it wouldn’t surprise me if people that migrated from there to the U.K would be a part of such behavior.
Giovanni
Good Christ! When did the Aryan nation take over the Queerty boards?
michael
Hey RPCV I am not Canadian, nor hooked on phonics.
Rob Moore
Most of these postings are pure rubbish. The problem is one of poverty more than anything else. Wherever poverty thrives, criminality blooms. When the Irish first emigrated in large numbers to the U.S., they formed enclaves with some of the most vicious criminals arising from those ghettos. When the Italians arrived, specifically the Scilians, the U.S. got the Mafia. When Spanish speaking immigrants arrived from the Mexico and points south, they formed vicious gangs. When Jews arrived in large numbers in the early 1900s, many of the criminals of the day arose from the Jewish ghettos in the northern states.
Blacks, most of whom are descended from people brought as slaves as far back as the 1500s by the Spanish, then the French and English, were largely kept in the southern states until slavery was abolished. There was an effort to send freed slaves to Africa. This lead to the formation of Liberia, but the freed slaves, most of whom were not born in Africa and did not know any language but English. After the abolition of slavery, black people were not allowed to assimilate or even live normal lives in the South. Jim Crow laws in the southern states were very similar to the apartheid system later seen in South Africa. This legalized, forced separation institutionalized poverty by providing fewer services in education, jobs, and political rights. Poverty has led to high crime rates within many black communities. The same thing is present in new Hispanic communities and new Southeast Asian communities; however, the Hispanic and Asian communities are assimilating faster. I sometimes think that part of the problem in the U.S. is the rate of inflow of immigrants. It has become so high, it threatens to overwhelm the American capacity to absorb it.
Even though those legalized barriers were removed after a century, the effects remained persistent. Combine these effects with a feeling of victimhood perpetuated by leaders intent on maintaining their position as well as some well-meaning but foolish politicians and you find a process of merging cultures that is slow, angry, and fitful.
Assimilation is not merely the adoption of existing cultural norms by a new group of immigrants. It is more the merging of the cultures. Before India and Pakistan became independent, English cuisine was fairly bland. Now, the national dish is curry.
That’s my pop sociology for tonight.
Peter Pan
Dear Rob Moore, maybe you should educate yourself re the slaves:
Who Brought The Slaves To America?
http://rense.com/general81/d3ss.htm
Read it and make up your own mind! Evidence is evidence and the truth is the truth! Isn’t that what we want? I do!
Also, as you pointed out, there are only so many immigrants a nation can take before it ceases to be what it was! All this multiculti business is deliberately being committed by those who put us in little cages, soon after we are born, to produce for them. They don’t want a focused society, they want lots of disagreement so that they can carry-on to rule! Divide and rule! It works ONLY if we allowed too! Just look at the postings here.
We need to change our thinking fast if we want to live in a world that’s honest, we are all one! But the rotten apples (true criminals ie. many politicians) need to be weeded out quickly if we want to better this world!
We must start holding our politicians accountable and not allow them to get away with ‘misspeaking’ when they actually blatantly lie. If caught they must be punished!
I’m sure you are getting my drift!
Have a nice day!
Beelzebab
Peter Pan, I assume you’re being ironic, either that or you really an utter moron.
But I fear we must assume the latter: you post a piece of bigoted anti-jewish junk posing in the clothes of historical fact and try and equate that nastiness with the crime stats I posted.
Crime stats are just that – crime stats. They are cold, they are hard. But if anything comes comes close to what we can struggle to pass off as objective reality in this imperfect world then crime stats are just that.
And JOHN, I have been led to believe that it was in fact diseases, inadvertantly, introduced by the english (and french and spanish and dutch) that wiped out millions of native americans. The slaughter using guns came after you yanks fought us brits and won independence and thus is purely American and USA. Indeeed, one of the contributing factors pushing the american colonialists to go for full independence from Britain was the annoying fact that King George’s government wanted to protect the native americans against the encroachments of the white colonialists into native american lands. You really should read more than the 6 year old guides to american history that pack your (tiny) bookshelf.
What you are doing is equating say Evolution with creationism, and like the creationists you are demanding that your foul smelling farts be granted equal weight to the sweet smells of evolution.
NO NO NO
afrolito
The ugly racism in this thread is sadly not shocking.
Beelzebab
To Rob Moore,
sure economic poverty can be used by lefties as an excuse to explain away the inconvenient (and off the scale) black crime rates – but it is simply a red-herring, a smokescreen. Lots of native whites here in the UK are poor but don’t resort to very violent and sadistic crime- lots of the Bangladeshis here are also poor yet their crime rates are below average.
It doesn’t explain why so many black people do badly compared to native whites here in the UK, or do badly compared to other immigrant groups who overtake them within a few short years- and why after (is it 50 years??) of positive discrimination in the US, or why 3rd generation black immigrants to the UK from the caribbean, are still stuck in “poverty”.
Explanations offered for black failure here in the UK include 1) a racist education system (the same “racist” education system that allows chinese and indian and pakistani kids here in the UK to go better than native whites in achieving exam passes)
2) Deprived black culture – deprived both materially and culturally
3) Violent songs in rap music etc that encourages black kids to think that robbing, drug dealing and mugging are a cool way to earn a living.
4) Broken black families, no father figure, with black fathers acting like human tom cats, dropping babies all over the place and playing no part in their upbringing – this latter is blamed on the lingering after effects of slavery – but in fact the huge prevalence of AIDS in africa is a symptom of the same thing – having multiple sexual partners – that human tom cat thing again and thus seems to be deep within african culture itself.
The point, however, is that I am fed up with hearing excuses endlessly offered. We need to face the facts and then find a solution – but I don’t know what the solution is.
Beelzebab
to afrolito
well, give us some cheer, give us all some explanation that are NOT racist.
Can you do that?
afrolito
To beelzebab
Your racist ranting pretty much sums up your ignorance. Enjoy it in bliss.
fredo777
I think it’s laughable that people are still spouting the same anti-black garbage after all these years. Blame violent rap songs…as if there isn’t violent lyrical content coming from other genres of music (rock, for example). Rap is really no more to blame for crime rates than comic books, MTV, action films, or video games, etc.
I won’t even respond to that tired-as-hell “broken black family” + “black stud” rhetoric. Making sweeping generalizations that smack of bias against other ethnic groups really is fun, though. And a good ol’ pasttime that never seems to lose its appeal, apparently. Have at it.
I really don’t see a need to defend the entire black race of people, as I can only speak for myself. I’m not violent, a gangster, drug dealer, a bling-obsessed slut, etc., etc., etc. That said, I’d hate to be judged by the worst actions of any other members of my race throughout history. I’d dare say that we all would.
What’s most interesting about the tone of this argument against “those darn blacks” is that–you could bet the farm on this–somewhere on this big, blue marble, the very same type of vilifying remarks are being made against “those darn gays”. Thankfully, I get to roll my eyes at the verbal mud being slung from the black-haters + the gay-bashers. Lucky me.
Beelzebab
Afrolito,
Is your intention to shut me up by screaming “racist” at me? Is your intention to make me feel uncomfortable, to make me tear my hair out in angst?
I think you have obviously got by in the past by shouting “racist” at people to shut them up. I require rather more than that. Your problem is that you have become used to not having to argue.
Well, you’re debating with adults now and if you disagree then offer a counter argument; give us all some stats to counter the ones I have offered.
After all it’s not just whites that are suffering from black crime is it?
what is your problem with the stats I offer? if you disagree with them then offer an alternative set of stats.
well?
I am waiting.
Beelzebab
To Fredo 77,
yes and I know lots of very intelligent blacks who I work with in London (invariably and sadly) though all of them are African and from rich african families of high tribal status.
And I know that a lot of blacks squirm when faced with the evidence of black “racist” violence against whites here in the UK – but that doesn’t alter the fact that black violence against whites (and other blacks and other ethnic minorities) is off the scale and out of all proportion to their percentage of the population.
Interesting though the way you phrase your remarks – you leap from saying I am peddling “anti-black garbage” then leap straight onto saying “blame violent rap songs”. Because what am I blaming rap songs for? You see, you missed out the connecting statement – ie the off the scale black crime rates. You also are in denial.
But back to the point as I don’t want to get bogged down in red herrings- two questions for you:
1) Do you disagree that black crime rates are very high?
2) What is the cause?
I await your response
afrolito
To beelzeba
I have no interest in silencing you. I think it’s great you feel so comfortable revealing your hateful ugly racism on the internet.
That takes some real balls.
Kudos
Beelzebab
to afrolito
so, no reasoned argued response?
Just abuse, is that the best you can do?
afrolito
A reasoned response? As opposed to your reasoned racism?
LMFAO!
Carry on with your internet racist truths.
fredo777
Sweetheart, you obviously misunderstood my statement. I was being sarcastic when I suggested that we blame violent rap songs. Frankly, I’m not among those who think that all rap is trash/violent/yaddayaddayadda. There is some of that in the ‘gangsta rap’ sub-category, as well as some hip-hop with a deeper message.
I’m not going to have the argument (yet again) over if and/or why black crime rates are high. Again, I don’t see the point in such a “debate”. We could both rattle off a bunch of arbitrary numbers, stats, poll results, + other nonsense illustrating the occurence of crimes perpetrated by (and those not perpetrated by) blacks. I’d really rather not as I (admittedly) don’t spend a lot of my recreational time researching the crime statistics of blacks (or any other ethnic group for that matter). Call me crazy, but that isn’t really an enjoyable hobby of mine.
My point wasn’t to argue for or against that, but to call attention to how futile this argument really is. Suppose we were to reach an agreement that black crime stats were high. Then what? My beef with some of your (and by “your”, I mean all those who made similar) statements aren’t so much their “factual” basis (which I’m using loosely), but their obvious slant.
If you were only interested in objective fact-finding + information-sharing, I wouldn’t have responded as I did. I think we both know, though, that wasn’t the case.
fredo777
* Note: I certainly made a few grammatical errors in that last post, but I haven’t gotten much sleep + it still reads clearly enough for you to extract my meaning. Meh.
Peter Pan
@ Beelzebab who said “And JOHN, I have been led to believe that it was in fact diseases, inadvertantly, introduced by the english (and french and spanish and dutch) that wiped out millions of native americans.”
Who led you to believe that? Facts please!
BTW calling me a Moron for stating my opinion and posting a link re slaves (with the note to use your own judgment) gives one a huge inside to your inside, darling! I’m off to Cannes now and will read this blog again in 10 days time or so! Hugs to all!
Raymie
How could that punk throw a punch and not find any irony at all in his own “Spidy Eyes” hat? Somebody shoulda smacked him down for that. Fashion police. Geez.
Hephaestion
The solution is obvious. We gays need our own country. Gays of all races get along peachy keen. It’s only when you have heteros that you have violence and crime and all that crap.
I say we should all (gays) move to Iceland, and basically take over the country. It could actually be done quite easily. Iceland has great night life, too… best on earth. It wouldn’t take all that much immigration to Iceland before we would basically be in control of it, and then we could prevent access to our fabulous country by violent straight assholes.
Ahh…
RPCV
Well, in sum, I think there is one thing we can all agree on: Blacks = Violence = Crime = Death. Period. Just a thought………
matt123
A lot of gay bashings are against people who aren’t but are perceived to be gay. “Fancy dress’ means drag, BTW. we are proud of being gay.
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fredo777
What I think we can all really agree on is that intolerance + hatred, the likes of which I’ve seen here, are part of the reason life is so hellish for gays + other people who are seen as “different”.
Peter Pan
@ Hephaestion: Good idea. When do we move?
$ Fredo777: People should be allowed to express their opinion you know! Some of us may agree, some may disagree and others won’t give two hoots about what is said here. However, no subject should be a ‘holy cow’. If you have ‘holy cows’ then you have political correctness (bullshit) when all that’s needed is correctness (truth)!
Greetings from Cannes!
fredo777
Peter Pan, that sounds like bullshit, if you ask me. What people often pass off as “telling the truth” is just a lot of bias + prejudice. And while people are free to express their opinions, I’m equally free to dislike and/or disagree with said opinions.
Mr C
SAD, SAD, SAD,
It always seems that now “immigrants” commit crimes against gays? I guess NO WHITES in England, or the USA does this?
Obviously Beelzebab you are making a point.
But from a prejudice perspective and there is no way on this earth you’re going to tell us that WHITES in Britain don’t commit crimes against gays GIRL PLEASE.
I visit every year to London and Manchester and I see on the news. So in being accurate?
You can also be fair minded.
And OH If you’re QUEEN and the British Empire would have left these places alone instead of being superior and wanting to dominate.
Maybe none of these “immigrants” would be in Great Britain today. And you wouldn’t have them attacking gays it would be the “PURE AND WHITE” doing it.
Maybe that would make you feel better.
Ever thought of it. BEING SUPERIOR STINKS
Because you don’t live like the royals so don’t be SNOOTY!
All races commit crimes.
And as for that Kentucky horse bitch. CHURCHILL-Y
I guess Jeffrey Dahmer was okay for his crimes against minority Gay Men??
On the real.
It would be so much better if some of you who have prejudice views just say so instead of finding bullshit facts to back up stupid claims. Save yourself time on Google and just speak from the heart and admit.
I’m prejudice and condone whites/blacks/etc, who commit crimes. But hate everthing that is non-white,/blacks/whites,etc.
For those of you that the category of race fits
Now doesn’t that feel better?
Ignorance is truly BLISS and to have it in this community who wants equality for gays?
With feelings like these EQUALITY?!
WHY????????
Peter Pan
@ fredo777 who said “Peter Pan, that sounds like bullshit, if you ask me. What people often pass off as “telling the truth†is just a lot of bias + prejudice. And while people are free to express their opinions, I’m equally free to dislike and/or disagree with said opinions.”
I mean the REAL truth, not someones version of the truth (political correctness)! You are making sweeping statements re ‘what people often pass off….’ etc. and you are being biased yourself in your reply…
You are absolutely free to dislike, disagree etc. but you are not free to distort (bend) or omit the truth in order to fit-in with your views.
“Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing ever happened.
Sir Winston Churchill (1874 – 1965)”
That’s the whole point.
fredo777
I’m not the one who is guilty of distorting or bending the truth for my personal benefit. I won’t bother pointing out those who apparently are. Btw, political correctness isn’t necessarily untruthful, it’s often just a matter of being tactful. I have no problem with that.
As for my “what people often pass off…” statement, that was definitely not biased, since I never accused any one category of people of doing that. If the shoes fit, though, the guilty party should wear them. Go dancing in them, for all I care.
Bill Perdue
Vermin like Beelzebab, CHURCHILL Y, and RPCV and other racists, islamophobes and homophobes are dangerous.
No one would care too much if the kept their mental illness under wraps but they insist on repeating their Nazi like racist “Big Lies”. It’s an invitation to violence that victimizes muslims, immigrants and people of African descent. Their homophobia also leads to violence against GLBT folk. In the US Jena LA, the terrible treatment meted out to immigrant and imported workers and the recent spate of murders of gay youth are examples.
The same thing goes on in England primarily directed against immigrants, muslims and Africans. But, just to show that they’re equal opportunity bigots they go after the Irish in the English colony in occupied northern Ireland and against LGBT folks. Skinhead violence against muslims, GLBT folk and others is common in the EU.
Three of the worst genocides in recent history were perpetrated against muslins in Bosnia-Herzegovina, during Bill Clinton’s infanticide that murdered hundreds of thousands of Iraqi children and in Bush’s ongoing genocide there.
In decent countries like Cuba creatures like these, if it was thought that they posed a threat to the lives of innocent people, would be compelled to do public service work and take education classes until they got it right. We need to fight for similar laws here and for a procedure to declare them unfit and prescribe meds and therapy to cure their bigotry. Likewise the good doctors would want to cure the superstitious lifestyle choices that lead them to believe in ridiculous things like gods, demons and creationism and the White Man’ Burden.
Beelzebab
Ah, the vile and obnoxious Perdue returns, having crawled out from neath his stone and spits forth nasty invective from his anal area, as usual.
Perdue, you are a typical leftie refusing to actually answer the points about black crime rates but just hurls abuse at those who do! No doubt I am a horrid racist, eh, bill?
So, bill, nothing to comment about the actual stats on black crime?
And I think it’s rather appropriate that you mention Cuba, a country that until very recently had concentration camps for gays.
Beelzebab
Perdue,
there are very few people from on here that I would like to meet, but you I would dearly love to meet. Our meeting would be very short and sweet for me, but not so sweet for you.
Shall I give you my address here in London and you can come visit and attempt to get me into your cuban re-education camp? Or if you give me your address I will come visit you. Please do, cos I really want to meet you.
Thing is most teenagers grow out of their infantile leftism phase when they leave childhood (and their student days) behind – albeit committing great harm whilst they are in this lefty phase. But some adults are cursed never to grow out of it – these are usually people who have cosy sinecures at a university or an equally cushy public sector job. No doubt this is you, eh?
Anyway like I say I would dearly love to meet you and let you try and get me into your re-education camp.
Peter Pan
@ Beelzebab – How does the saying go? “When you are young and you are not a liberal you have no heart. When you are old and you are still a liberal you have no head.”
Beelzebab
Peter Pan
I think the phrase comes from Winston Churchill and is “If you’re not a communist when you’re 18 then you haven’t got a heart. If you’re still a communist when you’re 30 then you haven’t got a brain”
The word “Liberal” has very different connotations in Europe and is generally not a perjorative term. The equivalent meaning in Europe- equivalent for the way you yanks use “liberal” would be a “lefty” ie a fucking pain in the arse.
Peter Pan
Thanks for the correction Beelzebab!
As a thank you and to calm frayed nerves of all participants I post the link of two beautiful Mandalas. Please listen and relax! xx
The Angels Mandala
http://youtube.com/watch?v=h-U1P5-bGd0&feature=related
The Gaia Mandala:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=WvYD-4ND1pM&feature=related
DawgDaze
I am extremely saddened and disappointed by the many ignorant comments posted here, in regards to this lead. My hope is for all of you to experience compassion and grace to the fullest extent of human capabilities. If nothing else, these threads have strengthened my convictions to live life with minimal judgments. May you live the questions to which you seek answers.
John
This is too weird and boring.
No one is listening.
YAWN.
If you hate blacks, browns and anything in between, just say so instead of being the biggest pathetically hypocritical pussies!?
How boringly cliched..and predictable..