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Watch Father John Hollowell Teach Catholic Students About Disgusting Gay Sex For 2 Hours

Father John Hollowell, the chaplain of Indianapolis’ Cardinal Ritter High School, is less concerned with his pupils scoring high on standardized tests than he is making sure they never have same-sex relations. Because education is nothing if kids don’t learn what is and is not an abomination before god.

After all, “the Bible is completely useless,” Hollowell told the class on Thursday, if homosexuality is “okay in god’s eyes. … Old and New Testament in multiple places say homosexual acts are an ‘abomination,’ a grave offense against God. The Catholic Church upholds that teaching as well. So you have two options: God is cool with homosexuality, homosexual acts, I should say … or what the Bible and the Church say about it is correct? Okay? There’s no middle ground on that issue.” If that weren’t excruciating enough, realize that kids had to sit through two hours of Hollowell’s support of conversion therapy and denunciation of gay marriage and adoption.

“I believe in there, yes, that basically to murder someone is an abomination,” Hollowell tells his students at one point. Also an abomination? Having gay sex. You know, apples to apples.

At least Hollowell isn’t condemning same-sex attraction! “Simply having the attraction, in the mind of the church — a homosexual attraction is not a sin in the mind of the church, because it’s something you don’t control,” he tells a female student in response to her question. “You in the moment … have no control over what I’m attracted to. … Heterosexual or homosexual, there’s a thin line between having an attraction and turning it into lust. The young freshman boy running around out there, he doesn’t know the difference most likely.”

Now I’m not going to make some baseless accusation and accuse Hollowell of some gross misdeed like molesting children, or even having consensual adult sex with another man. But would it surprise me if we found out Hollowell violated the very scripture he claims to uphold? Not for a second.

If you have a lazy evening ahead of you, load up your Roku and put these clips on the big screen. If you’re interested in hosting a Hollowell viewing party at your home, let us know; I’ll see if I can get the Queerty higher-ups to foot the bill (for all the booze you’re going to need). And if anyone knows where to get a copy of Hollowell’s awesome looking PowerPoint presentation, do not keep it to yourself!

By:           JD
On:           Mar 27, 2011
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  • 132 Comments
    • chpinnlr
      chpinnlr

      Religion= ignorance. As a former catholic, the idea that anybody would let their children be “Taught” by these hypocritical Kid Fu*kers is beyond my comprehension! Before anybody asks YES I am intolerent of religion, seems only fair after all the shit they do to us!

      Mar 27, 2011 at 2:35 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Nick May
      Nick May

      This man is the most ridiculous human being that i’ve ever heard speak.

      Mar 27, 2011 at 2:37 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • cybernoelie
      cybernoelie

      What?!?

      It’s not available in Hi Def!!!

      I was going to download it, burn it to DVD and distribute it to all the local schools.

      NOT!

      Deuteronomy 22:5 (if it’s raining or cold and your ‘girl friend’ wants to borrow your coat)

      “A woman shall not wear a man’s garment, nor shall a man put on a woman’s cloak, for whoever does these things is an abomination to the Lord your God.

      Leviticus 11:9-12 (you can’t eat shellfish)

      Everything in the waters that has not fins and scales is detestable to you.

      Penn and Teller Bullshit

      http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=009_1198085630

      God will fuck you up

      Mar 27, 2011 at 2:46 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • christopher di spirito
      christopher di spirito

      And after Father John Hollowell made a complete fool of himself in front of the class, he sprinted to the Confessionals where he promptly groped a smokin’ hot 16 year old choir boy while he masturbated himself to completion.

      Yep, Christianity is a pip.

      Mar 27, 2011 at 3:03 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • The sane Francis
      The sane Francis

      It’s so hilarious to me how they have made us the target and big threat, we are the group they are going after. Brainwashing kids into being anti-gay and “not indulging” in homosexual intercourse. All of this is so loaded in fear and insecurity that it’s so comical. I’m sure the kids couldn’t give a fuck.

      Mar 27, 2011 at 3:22 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Tallskin
      Tallskin

      Oh where oh where is Cassandra to defend this??

      Mar 27, 2011 at 3:39 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • kayla
      kayla

      As someone who went to religious schools, and had to hear a lot of this crap, believe me, these kids couldn’t give a f%$K about this loser. I actually think kids who go to parochial school are actually less likely to be religious nutjobs. Because, you see these people’s hypocrisy on a daily basis and become somewhat jaded. I’m still a Christian, but I refuse to allow these people to manipulate me to hate.

      Mar 27, 2011 at 3:41 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • dvlaries
      dvlaries

      Christ lived for 33 years on Earth. Doubtlessly, nothing irks these thugs in Roman collars more than being unable to point to a single sentence from Christ’s lips that backs up their singular, narrow hated.

      The Catholic Church is nothing more than the Mafia with more God talk.

      Mar 27, 2011 at 3:44 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Jeffree
      Jeffree

      Father Hollowell should have spent the two hours talking about adutery &divorce—y’know the things that actually are greater threats to the sanctity of marriage!

      Problem is that Hollowell clearly has more expertise on homosexuality than marriage….because he’s NEVER been married!

      Mar 27, 2011 at 4:01 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Paul McMichael
      Paul McMichael

      My youtube comments to this video.

      @JohnHollowel – “Nothing that has ever been shown or proven that homosexuality has anything to do with genes or biology” I’m afraid this is a factually incorrect statement. There is plenty of evidence that biology has something to do with homosexuality. Functional MRI very recently amongst many? others. What you can say is this, “although being gay very likely has a significant? biological component, there is no consensus on ultimate causation”. Your statement is plain incorrect and misleading.

      I would ask you not to continue to make the original statement to your pupils or to add the sufficient qualification and contingencies to your glib statement that manages to ignore a whole range of evidence across many fields of enquiry into the etiology of homosexuality. This evidence constitutes proof that there is a biological component but not as to its ultimate causation. I refer you to Karl Popper on the Philosophy of Science for more info on that.

      Mar 27, 2011 at 4:23 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Randall
      Randall

      Weird – Catholics aren’t literalists. They don’t really “do” Leviticus. Their opposition to gay sex is the same as their opposition to masturbation – every time you cum, you need to be making babies.

      Someone did not send this guy the memo.

      Mar 27, 2011 at 4:25 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Thomas
      Thomas

      I went to a Catholic high school and had a very different experience. My Religion teacher was very kind to me, and on a few occasions made it clear to the class that she disagreed with the churches stance on LGBT social issues.

      The most aggravating thing about these videos is that he can’t hear me yelling at him.

      Mar 27, 2011 at 4:36 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Doug
      Doug

      All said while wearing a gown

      Mar 27, 2011 at 4:39 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • John
      John

      Odd… His videos seem to start AND finish at 18:22.

      Mar 27, 2011 at 5:19 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Thomas
      Thomas

      I went to a Catholic high school and had a very different experience. My Religion teacher was very kind to me, and on a few occasions made it clear to the class that she disagreed with the churches stance on LGBT social issues.

      The most aggravating thing about these videos is that he can’t hear me yelling at him.

      “People will say this is like when they banned interracial marriage..back whenever that was…back in the olden days…” What the fuck? You going to stand in front of a class room of students and not know what your talking about? How can you be considered an authority on an issue when you don’t know anything about it? Ridiculous.

      Mar 27, 2011 at 5:38 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • GetBalance
      GetBalance

      It’s great how the kids are busting his nut on things like Leviticus and adultery etc. The beauty of this cultural war is watching all the lies in the church come up at once. I reincarnated to witness the fall of Christianity in its current form. Jesus got a very bad wrap, thank God he authored A Course in Miracles in 1978 so we could get it right finally. Love it love it love it. Woohoo!

      Mar 27, 2011 at 5:46 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • DJ
      DJ

      Who knows more about homo sex than a priest right? I don’t think the church realizes that kids of today are becoming more spiritual regardless of the bullshit their dishing out. The Bible is becoming more and more obsolete everyday. And it sickens me to hear them talk about how gross homosexuality is but then they turn around and molest LITTLE boys. Not 30 year old men, but 10 year old boys. Ridiculous.

      Mar 27, 2011 at 5:47 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • John
      John [Different person #1 using similar name]

      Haha the students are questioning everything he says. Good job!

      Mar 27, 2011 at 5:56 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • GetBalance
      GetBalance

      Ps i was raised Catholic but am now ex. I totally dig Jesus as he is an awesome teacher. If any of you want to jump a dark dank dying Judeo Christian religious ship that has always had more holes than a block of swiss cheese, there is a bright new world in the works called A Course in Miracles. And get this, there is no sin, that’s from Jesus himself. Now that is something to like, a lot!

      Mar 27, 2011 at 5:57 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • McMike
      McMike

      No offense to anyone, but he’s such a f*cking fag.

      Mar 27, 2011 at 6:30 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Me
      Me

      Quitting religion is like quitting smoking… Once you get it out of your system you look at people at people (in this case Hollowell- don’t get me started on his name) and wonder “how and why the hell are they doing that to themselves?

      Mar 27, 2011 at 7:24 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Shannon1981
      Shannon1981

      I couldn’t even finish one clip. This is appalling, that this man is being allowed to rant on and on for two hours straight instead of teaching useful information to prepare these kids for the real world.

      Mar 27, 2011 at 7:31 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • codyj
      codyj

      wow, hope queertys ‘higher ups’ will foot my scotch bill…how disgusting from this typical cats lick j-o-, it took me 2 black label ‘doubles’ to get thru the first clip, viewing the second, i jus kept my 1.75 at my side….THANKFULLY young folks are much more urbane these days and see thru all this b/s…man this dude is as old as my Victrola,(and sounds worse)

      Mar 27, 2011 at 8:10 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • BreakTime
      BreakTime

      That guy’s so creepy I can just picture him living in the gay ghetto of Manhattan (and working at Queerty).

      Mar 27, 2011 at 8:16 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Miss Understood
      Miss Understood

      I would love to poop on his face.

      Mar 27, 2011 at 8:45 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • alan brickman
      alan brickman

      What a Loser!!

      Mar 27, 2011 at 10:56 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Kev C
      Kev C

      Father Hollowell missed the point of Jesus Christ and the New Testament. All sins redeemed. No one judged. John Hollowell’s main philosophy is non-biblical in origin and appears to be simple right-wing conservatism.

      Mar 27, 2011 at 11:03 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • William
      William

      I love it when he states that even if there is a genetic reason someone has same sex attraction it still doesn’t make it right to follow that attraction. Did he really ever listen to that statement? What a dumb ass. And tell me why priest insist on wearing that ridiculous garb?

      Mar 27, 2011 at 11:35 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • D Smith
      D Smith

      a few other things he forgets to mention during his “lecture”

      genocide is acceptable, as long as the victims are of a non-abrahamic religion
      you can sell your daughters into slavery
      survivors of war become slaves
      we must stone to death people who backtalk to their mothers and fathers
      inter sexed children should have their head bashed out against walls
      shellfish is evil and lobsters await you in hell
      football is an unclean sport and can get you sent to hell (hmmm skin of a dead pig)
      wearing fabrics of different colors is an abomination!
      the earth was created before the stars
      trees and herbs are in fact meat
      people used to live for hundreds if not thousands of years
      offering your daughters up for rape in place of male house quests is acceptable
      you can in fact build a tower to get into heaven… but god hates visitors
      that there is a location on earth undiscovered as of yet that is guarded by angels with flaming swords, and serpents that can survive off of eating dust
      birds are four legged animals
      leprosy is curable by properly sacrificing a bird
      all of the world can be seen from the top of an exceptionally tall mountain
      two of EVERY animal in the world can fit within a space no bigger then 450 ft by 75 ft
      zombies really really love you… and not just for your brain
      jesus was white
      the core of the planet contains monstrous goat men who like to stab your butt with a pitchfork
      schizophrenia is curable by having a magic man splash you with water and read out loud
      the crimes committed by your ancestors effect your genetic structure… but only for 2 generations, or forever in the case of the first murderer
      and so on and so on and so on…

      its the bible or scientific rationalism, your choice.

      Mar 28, 2011 at 12:14 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • John
      John [Different person #2 using similar name]

      Interesting example of a false dilemma by the good Father. I’m used to seeing such fallacious reasoning from Protestants, but no matter. The history of usury. That remains one that Catholic apologists especially dance around in circles quite nicely trying to explain away. Oh and yes, I’m aware that giving an example such as this can easily be labelled a fallacious argument as well, but perhaps instead the good Father should be flattered by my imitation of him.

      Mar 28, 2011 at 12:27 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Mike in London UK
      Mike in London UK

      In his first few sentences “just because something is biological or genetice, that we have an attraction to something, doesn’t mean we should act on it..”

      Well that pretty much applies to Hetero as well as Homo predisposition doesn’t it?

      Pity none of the “nice polite students” didn’t wave that in his face and get up and leave that bigoted diatribe.

      Mar 28, 2011 at 1:26 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Michael
      Michael

      Better be careful about lusting after that cute freshman boy running around. In Dante’s “Inferno”, unforgiven souls of the sin of lust are blown about in restless hurricane-like winds symbolic of their own lack of self control to their lustful passions in earthly life.

      Mar 28, 2011 at 1:33 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Kev C
      Kev C

      [img]http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_BYX14125JUQ/Rh-5-gRMZ_I/AAAAAAAAA5o/xTMsErwee30/s320/Dr_Evil_Laser.jpg[/img]

      Leviticus says that homosexuality is an “Abomination” to God.

      Mar 28, 2011 at 2:19 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • illuminutty
      illuminutty

      The Roman Catholic Church doesn’t support conversion therapies in any way shape or form, but affirms that homosexuality doesn’t seem to be escapable from. If he is supporting conversion therapies he’s going against his own church’s teachings. The hypocrisy.

      Mar 28, 2011 at 4:46 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Pat Duffy
      Pat Duffy

      @Kev C:
      One of the many reasons I’ve been “Christ-free” since the mid 70′s.
      Christians are folks that Believe that there is only one brand of Breakfast cereal and all others are (false/lies/tricks/etc). Seems rather silly to me. I may prefer Mini-wheats to Cocoa Puffs but I don’t pretend ‘CP’ doesn’t exist or will “poison” me;>….

      Mar 28, 2011 at 6:28 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Kurt
      Kurt

      “Cardinal Ritter High School”. The school is named for a great, progressive and holy man. Too bad it seems not to have impacted one of the current faculty.

      Mar 28, 2011 at 9:19 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • McMike
      McMike

      Wow, I couldn’t even get through the first minute since there were so many falsehoods within that first minute. Yes, there actually have been countless studies which prove homosexuality is genetic and, yes, if it’s genetic then obviously God is the one who did the hard-wiring. Gee, I guess since we’re allowed to eat pork then the entire Bible is useless.

      btw, the original text of the Bible does not condemn homosexuality. For example, the clobber passage from Corinthians was condemning masturbation less than a hundred years ago and what we have today is bullshite translations done by men like Hollowell who want to think God is on their side.

      It’s too bad we don’t have time machines because I would love to zip forward about a hundred years ago to see what history has to say about this.

      Mar 28, 2011 at 10:07 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • David Ehrenstein
      David Ehrenstein

      Yes The Bible is completely useless.

      Mar 28, 2011 at 10:25 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • William
      William

      @McMike: I have done quite a bit of research on the “clobber passages” and from what I gather these verses in Leviticus are referring to straight men who have same sex relations with other men in the worship of idols. The preceding verses in Leviticus are part of the Holiness Code for Israel in that time period. It is no longer in effect. As Christians we are under the law of Christ and He said nothing on the subject of what is now known as Homosexuality. I do agree with you. We have some very bad translations and very inaccurate ones.
      There is no word in the original languages either Hebrew or Greek that corresponds to the word homosexual. So somebody who translated these verses allowed their bias to become scripture.
      There are many things that amaze me about the religious right but one thing takes the cake and that is their obsession with gay sex.
      Don’t these people have anything in their life that is more important than obsessing what two same sex people do in their bedroom? Get a life!

      Mar 28, 2011 at 10:36 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Jeigh
      Jeigh

      I wonder what this guy has to say about the frequency of anal sex among hetero couples…

      Mar 28, 2011 at 12:30 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • AncientLeaves
      AncientLeaves

      This priest and people like him already decide every day what is and what is not changing in the bible. There are verses they don’t take literally and they cite many reasons for not doing so, most of which aren’t at all true. It is impossible to follow every verse in the bible and doing so would create a horrific society that no one would want to live in.

      Mar 28, 2011 at 1:12 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Ogre Magi
      Ogre Magi

      @Miss Understood: I am sure he would love it if you did

      Mar 28, 2011 at 1:40 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Mike
      Mike

      This is what I put up withb for 13 years growing up in Catholic Schools from Kindergarten to the end of High School. And people wonder why I was suicidal in college.

      Mar 28, 2011 at 1:49 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • JAW
      JAW

      My numberone question is… who the hell is the lady shuffling papers at the desk in the corner??
      Perhaps the school feels that Father needs a chaparone?

      Father has 70 videos on You Tube… the man is sooo into himself… you can watch the entire class as well as a whole bunch more of his odd thoughts.

      As an FYI… if I were paying up to $10,000 to send my child there, I would YANK them out ASAP. I would do it, not because the Catholic Church’s view on gay marriage, but because this guy maks no sense at all… His students know more then he does (and the kids know that)

      Mar 28, 2011 at 1:59 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Drake
      Drake

      His whirling dervish get-up is great !

      Mar 28, 2011 at 2:40 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Carsen Tyler
      Carsen Tyler

      My Catholic all girl high school was completely different they never ever said anything horrible about LGBT people, they taught LGBT inclusive sex ed, hired LGBT ex-priests and nuns who left after the Vatican declared that it would cause too much controversy to have LGBT people in the clergy and other callings, and they made it a point to make sure that us LGBT girls had a safe place to be ourselves despite the Archdiocese threatening to cut our scholarship funding if we had a GSA. They even re-issued my big brother’s diploma and changed his name on his high school transcripts when they found out he was transitioning from female to male.

      So not every Catholic school is nuts… even though I remember being in seventh grade when my teacher said “Harvey Milk deserved what he got,” but my elementary school was all kinds of fucked up (I dream of buying the building and setting it on fire…but the place is far from being placed on the closure list). I think she thought it would be okay to say that because my class had a lot of Dan White’s nieces and nephews in it, but the old hag was forced to retire in the end. BUT MY HIGH SCHOOL WAS AMAZING!!!

      Mar 28, 2011 at 2:57 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Steve
      Steve

      The Catholic church gains power and wealth by condemning people and extorting money in exchange for forgiveness. Forgiveness is not given freely by the church — it must be bought at a dear price.

      They only problem is, they have to have a reason to condemn a person. They discovered during the dark ages that they could manufacture reasons to condemn people by mistranslating the Bible, or by just lying to people about what it actually says. So, during the dark ages, they started claiming that all gays were evil, along with a whole bunch of other people.

      Of course, the only people that Jesus ever criticized were the priests of the temple. He criticized the priests for the sin of hypocrisy. He just ministered to everyone else.

      The Church really should consider one serious question: “How should we minister to gay and lesbian people?” By asking that question, the church will first acknowledge that G&L people are people, and then that the church should minister to them.

      Mar 28, 2011 at 3:04 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Ogre Magi
      Ogre Magi

      Liberals love to accuse conservatives of not having read the Bible, but the fact is, neither side has read it. There are two Jesuses alive and well in America today and neither of them come from the Bible. One is a greedy capitalist and the other is a wishy washy New Age hippie.

      Jesus is a terrible role model by any of today’s standards. Even if you ignore the fucked up things he said (“I come not to bring peace, but a sword”) and take the best of his teachings – love your neighbor, do unto others – these are utterly simplistic and obvious statements that people had come up with centuries before Jesus supposedly lived. You would learn a million more valuable things about morality by taking one semester of ethics in college. Or hell, high school, if they offer it.

      Mar 28, 2011 at 3:37 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Zonk
      Zonk

      This is funny. But all the kids are just laughing at him too (like we did when I was in Catholic high school).

      Mar 28, 2011 at 4:10 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Amy G Dala
      Amy G Dala

      I kept getting distracted by this guy’s continuous scratching… He might have a more serious issue he needs to be concentrating on.

      Mar 28, 2011 at 4:15 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • kevininbuffalo
      kevininbuffalo

      @Carsen Tyler: My Catholic grade school is now an apartment/office building. It’s good to outlive your enemies!

      Mar 28, 2011 at 4:34 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • FouFou
      FouFou

      I have sweeties for the kiddies….come to my rectory…

      Mar 28, 2011 at 6:13 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • PLAYS WELL WITH OTHERS
      PLAYS WELL WITH OTHERS

      Everytime I see one of these pigs from that bastion of kiddie diddling the catholic church even utter the word “Gay” I want to puke…………….

      This pig is no different than the lunatic in uganda who decries us for “eatting poo poo” while showing a video of the same. Tens of thousands of boys were raped by abusive priests and the church heirarchy played a sick twisted game of hide and seek with these monsters for decades shuffling them from parish to parish………..

      These scumbags need to learn that when you live in a glass house its best not to toss boulders from the front porch……..

      Mar 28, 2011 at 7:51 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • alan brickman
      alan brickman

      Love the kids calling him on it…

      Mar 28, 2011 at 7:53 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • StudioTodd
      StudioTodd

      @GetBalance: You are as much a religious zombie as the most fervent catholic…this is not the proper forum to try and promote your pseudo-religion. It’s all horse-shit anyway. This is the 21st century…isn’t it time you people let go of your childish myths?

      Mar 28, 2011 at 8:32 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • GetBalance
      GetBalance

      @StudioTodd

      All of our basic behaviors and desires are born in mythology. A Course in Miracles is not a religion but dumps myth for reality. So yes to your question that we should all dump childish myths, as myth is being dispelled every day by teachings that are real. That is what ACIM DOES. It dumps many myths including religion, like a bad habbit.

      You didn’t do your homework now did you StudioTool.

      Mar 28, 2011 at 9:38 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Rob Z
      Rob Z

      What a marvelous example of the American equivalent to the Taliban! The systematic indoctrination of American youth is truly a grevious sin against humanity. This guy is totally living in alternate universe.

      Is it because he’s acting out a sublimated anger because of his loss of an ability to be sexual because of his celibacy? Hello!

      Mar 28, 2011 at 10:38 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • antgly
      antgly

      Owning a DELL laptop is an abomination.

      Mar 28, 2011 at 11:03 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Zonk
      Zonk

      Rob Z. : Actually, Catholics have traditionally been victims of the majority Protestant taliban, including Protestant gays. But this guy doesn’t matter anyway. The kids are laughing at him.

      Mar 28, 2011 at 11:53 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Jeffree
      Jeffree

      I can only imagine what kind of images Fr. Hollowell stores on his laptop. I wonder who he hires to “lift his luggage” when he travels.

      Mar 28, 2011 at 11:56 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Shannon1981
      Shannon1981

      @Jeffree: Doesn’t take much imagination to know what is one this man’s laptop. And I’ll bet he and George Rekkers have the same little black book to consult for travel companions.

      Mar 29, 2011 at 12:06 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Spencer
      Spencer

      THe Early Church did exactly what Fr. Hollowell is accusing those accepting of homosexuality of doing, EDITING BIBLICAL TEXT. This occurance is in its origin, Catholic, as the Church Fathers took it upon themselves at the birth of Roman Christianity to evauluate what practices Christians should retain, aspects of Talmudic law and vestiges and fragments of accounts of Jesus that were deemed redundant or insignificant, not only is this man ignorant of his own religios tradition he guilty of using a belief system to confirm his own prejudices, as a Catholic teen, i contend that religion and homosexuality are not incompatible, as this man would make it seem they are.

      Mar 29, 2011 at 12:44 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • B
      B

      No. 37 · McMike wrote, “btw, the original text of the Bible does not condemn homosexuality. For example, the clobber passage from Corinthians was condemning masturbation less than a hundred years ago and what we have today is bullshite translations done by men like Hollowell who want to think God is on their side.”

      It’s actually a more difficult problem. The author of Corinthians (presumably Paul) used a Greek word “arsenokoitai” that has not been found in any earlier text of any kind. What it means is a guess, so the translations of this word often follow the prejudices of the times. If Paul really mean to condemn homosexuality, however, he could have used the Greek word, “paiderasste”, used at the time to denote sexual activity between men.

      http://www.religioustolerance.org/homarsen.htm has a summary of the translation difficulties. The short answer is, “nobody has a clue as to what Paul was babbling about.”

      Also, Paul may have been intentionally vague. He was trying to unify a ragtag collection of Christian sects or cells, all with differing beliefs as to what was acceptable and what was not. If a letter was being passed around, there was a political advantage in letting people read in what they wanted to hear in some instances so they wouldn’t get stuck on one point and end up ignoring the rest of the letter.

      Mar 29, 2011 at 2:10 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • a
      a

      John is quite the smooth talker, and has an admirable character. Unfortunately, he fails on at least three accounts:

      1. He fails to calculate or describe any amount of measurable harm that gay marriages would have on anyone who isn’t homosexual or the government system.

      2. He is inaccurate (and even admittedly, perhaps he should take the extra few hours to study things before teaching) on his teachings of Prop 8. There is no connection between Prop 8 and the California education system. The “teaching our little children about gay marriage” was nothing more than propaganda by NOM itself as well as the Mormon church. The state does not control curriculum, rather the school districts themselves control it with state permission.

      3. Although he loves to attack the “cherry-picking Christians” early in the lesson, he then says certain crude scriptures in the Bible (that call on death, for example) should be enacted on God and others (in particular, the and in the lesson only the gay abomination scriptures) should be something for Christians to worry about.

      Mar 29, 2011 at 5:31 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Em
      Em

      No child likes when our parents tell us “no”.
      But they have our best interest in mind and tell us “no” to things because they love us.
      When we mature, we realize why. Ah, they were RIGHT.

      God has our best interests in mind too when he give us rules.
      We don’t always see the big picture until we mature. God loves us. All of us. But we have to sacrifice for Him. If not, who do we really love? or what do we really love?

      I”m going with what someone who has studied the word more than any one making comments here has studied it. go priest. Lead us well.

      Mar 29, 2011 at 6:12 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Shannon1981
      Shannon1981

      @Em: WTF? This man is insane, and harmful. Your book means NOTHING to most of us! And for many people for whom it does mean something, what this man is saying about homosexuality is a crock.

      Mar 29, 2011 at 6:48 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • greenmanTN
      greenmanTN

      @Em: I see the mentally ill contingent has dropped by to offer their opinion. Have your tried anti-depressants? They’re very helpful in relieving religious monomania, you know. Your brain chemistry gets out of whack and the next thing you know you’re obsessing over what desert nomads wrote about a couple thousand years ago. Such a waste…

      Mar 29, 2011 at 7:12 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • GetBalance
      GetBalance

      No guys. EM is totally right! Listen to her/him! When people mature, they understand how sexuality is a fluid thing and that people who protest, have been totally irresponsible towards mankind, just like so many did w blacks, another unchangable thing created by God.
      So when EM matures, the lights will also go on and the realization how much hatred has been so difficult to hurl at others, and how badly it has affected her life. And she will cry for being so mean and out of touch w nature God created. And her arrogance and bigotry will fall away and she/he will then feel love again for all Gods children.
      God speed to you EM. The sooner the better w your lesson!!!

      Mar 29, 2011 at 7:40 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Tallnamaste
      Tallnamaste

      Hmmmm Father Hollow….oops Hollowell, is quite good at guilting Catholics. I thought only Southern Baptists had the monopoly on guilt. I had enuf of Billy Graham and the evangelistas, so I’m NOT gonna look at the lofty Father’s video. Sorry. Now would I teach him a “thang” or two about letting go and lightening up? Just maybe. Gotta check the Pope’s list of Cath-0-lick pervs first to see if Father Hollow, oops Hollowell, is on it. If he’s not, I’ll still consider exorcising his demons from one of his bald heads to another. Don’t ask which one I’ll exorcise first… ;-)) Here’s a hint: Lift your frock, Father. Get your beads out. You’re gonna be doing a lotta Hail Mary’s before I’m done with ya. Namaste, Tall PS Wonder if the Pope has sent him any red Prada shoes? Hmmmmm……PSS No offense was implied or intended to Catholics who take their faith and religion seriously. I just don’t know why Father Hollow is so, well, hollow.

      Mar 29, 2011 at 8:55 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Jeffree
      Jeffree

      I do follow the Old Testament injunction on not sleeping with women during their menstrùation.
      (Or ever….!)
      – — –
      Hollowell’s lengthy lectures seem to derive from a whole lot of selective reading of the Bible, and a mind that can’t stray too far from the topic of what we gay men do in the privacy of our homes, the random phonebooth or, on occasion, in the neighbors’ basement when they’re out of town.

      Mar 29, 2011 at 9:38 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Shannon1981
      Shannon1981

      @Jeffree: I don’t follow that injunction. If she takes care of herself its fine. Don’t listen to that. There’s nothing wrong with it. Just can’t do certain things.

      Mar 29, 2011 at 9:46 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • PLAYS WELL WITH OTHERS
      PLAYS WELL WITH OTHERS

      @Em:

      It seems like you have a tendency to talk back, most likely your proviclivity for such behaviour started when you did so to your parents……

      Matthew 15:4 For God said, ‘Honor your father and mother’ and ‘Anyone who curses his father or mother must be put to death.’
      ——————————————————————————–
      Mark 7:10 For Moses said, ‘Honor your father and your mother,’ and, ‘Anyone who curses his father or mother must be put to death.’
      ——————————————————————————–
      Exodus 21:17 “Anyone who curses his father or mother must be put to death.
      ——————————————————————————–
      Deuteronomy 27:16 “Cursed is the man who dishonors his father or his mother.” Then all the people shall say, “Amen!”
      ——————————————————————————–
      Proverbs 20:20 If a man curses his father or mother, his lamp will be snuffed out in pitch darkness.

      Therefore you and millions of other kids should have been put to death………….

      @Jeffree: The bible thumpers always seem to cherry pick verses and passages from the bible who only suit their own particular brand of hatred they are currently spewing……..

      Never mind if the world actually followed the insanity that is decreed by the bible and everyone deemed to be slayed was actually slayed, I don’t think there would be anyone left to discuss the matter (or continue all that slaying for that matter :p)……..

      Mar 29, 2011 at 9:54 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • GetBalance
      GetBalance

      EM won’t be answering again, arrogance is far too thick. Consider it a drive by.

      Pretty easy rule of thumb here:

      Whoever is throwing stones is always the guilty party. This EM has to deal with, not anyone here. Our job is to be soveriegn w/o nuance, just like homosexuality is.

      Mar 29, 2011 at 10:06 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • mulletkitty
      mulletkitty

      why not just take your disputes to his blog? flower draws him into quite the exchange, but father gets rather testy and passive aggressive.

      be creative, queerty.

      http://on-this-rock.blogspot.com/2011/03/class-on-homosexuality-and-church.html

      Mar 29, 2011 at 10:19 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Katie
      Katie

      I’m about to piss almost every single one of you off and I’m completely happy about it. I love that all of you are so quick to belittle this man, accuse him of things you have no proof of, and make a public mockery of him when that’s exactly what you accuse him of doing to the LGBT community. And I don’t agree with him, but if you’d ever actually had a conversation with the man you would know that he’s not spreading hate. He is teaching a doctrine. Maybe it’s biased, maybe it’s skewed, whatever. It’s a belief, part of his faith, and you have no more right to condemn him than he has to condemn you. There was no hateful language in his lecture; he was simply relating the doctrine of the Catholic Church. And in case you didn’t notice, he’s talking about ACTS not the people. And he references Letters from St. Paul…which happens to be New Testament. And I didn’t hear him reject any questions; he explained himself. Never said they had to accept it as true. You’re all taking everything out of context just to slam an opposing side. BTW it’s THEOLOGY class with a focus on Catholicism. Who the hell has a standardized test for theology? And Cardinal Ritter is not some nut job, “let’s hate everyone who doesn’t agree” kind of school. Plenty of gay students and a zero-tolerance bullying policy.

      You talk about spreading love and acceptance, but when you get the chance you fail EPICLY. Of course, the kids ask questions because that’s exactly what this school wants. Open debate, free discussion, and a MIX of ideas. If people can’t speak openly about what they think then what the hell do we have democracy or freedom of religion for? If you’re so secure in your own beliefs, then someone else’s shouldn’t offend you so easily. I’m shitty on behalf of this school and this man who you know nothing about. You want people to accept homosexuality? Give them a reason. Practice what you preach, assholes.

      Mar 29, 2011 at 10:34 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Shannon1981
      Shannon1981

      @Katie: Nobody should ever take that sham of a religion seriously. Why don’t you fuckers clean up your own messes? You have who knows how many cases over DECADES of molestation, corruption….don’t throw stones at glasses houses, bitch. Two can play it this game. Go back to your school and stay off a blog you obviously don’t belong on.

      Mar 29, 2011 at 10:43 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Kev C
      Kev C

      @mulletkitty: Sorry, but he’s not interesting enough to debate. He’s just another reason why the catholic church is shrinking, so why would I try to talk reason with him? Keep on with your bad self, Father John.

      Mar 29, 2011 at 10:50 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • greenmanTN
      greenmanTN

      @Katie: “Ex-gay” therapy is Catholic doctrine?! I’m pretty sure that would be fresh fucking news from everyone from the Pope on down!

      Just don’t expect me to be surprised when this fucker gets caught with hands down some boy’s pants. Sexual repression, which he seems to have no problem advocating for everybody else, tends to have some really nasty consequences. It’s a lesson the Catholic Church demonstrates over and over again without ever learning a goddamn thing.

      Mar 29, 2011 at 10:54 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • adam
      adam

      Really, countless studies? Please provide links so I can read them.

      Mar 29, 2011 at 11:00 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • T9r7u2t0h1
      T9r7u2t0h1

      Katie

      “I’m about to piss almost every single one of you off and I’m completely happy about it.”

      This is called depravity in Catholic theology. You know you are going to sin against everyone here and you delight in that knowledge.

      “I love that all of you are so quick to belittle this man, accuse him of things you have no proof of,”

      You are sinning again. Please stop projecting your own foibles onto everyone else.

      “And I don’t agree with him,”

      Yeah, right. You’ve prejudged everyone here out of the goodness of your heart. And the moon is made of green cheese.

      “but if you’d ever actually had a conversation with the man you would know that he’s not spreading hate. He is teaching a doctrine.”

      First off, a doctrine can be hate. The doctrine that slavery was acceptable was also hate, and anti-gay theology is an expression of hate. If you truly knew Christ, you’d recognize that implicitly.

      “It’s a belief, part of his faith, and you have no more right to condemn him than he has to condemn you.”

      Wrong again. He is sinning against us, and according to Christian theology, we are supposed to call him to repentance. We’re supposed to give essentially unlimited opportunities to repent, but it is our duty to call him to repent of his sins against us.

      “There was no hateful language in his lecture;”

      In you opinion, perhaps not. But in reality, the very notion that homosexuality is sin is hateful language.

      See, to declare that something is sin means that it is so terrible, the appropriate response to it is death and eternal separation from God. Lying, for example is a sin, so when he lied there was nothing indicating a biological or genetic basis for homosexuality, he sinned. When he said that Catholic Charities had to stop, etc., he lied. They chose to stop rather than comply with civil law. His entire premise there – that ‘the gays’ are forcing their view on religion, is hate speech.

      “he’s talking about ACTS not the people.”

      That is a false distinction, and a lie on your part, since he explicitly used the word homosexuality.

      “And he references Letters from St. Paul…which happens to be New Testament.”

      When accurately translated, Paul is silent on homosexuality. The passages by Paul that are raped into a condemnation of homosexuality are about idolatry (Romans 1) and some form of economic/sexual slavery (1 Cor). To equate either with the loving relationships of GLBTQ people, is hate speech.

      “You’re all taking everything out of context just to slam an opposing side.”

      Thank you for projecting.

      “BTW it’s THEOLOGY class with a focus on Catholicism. Who the hell has a standardized test for theology?”

      Jesus did. Matthew 7:15-23

      Matthew 7:15-23 (New International Version, ©2011)

      (True and False Prophets)
      15 “Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. 16 By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? 17 Likewise, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them.

      21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ 23 Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’

      Anti-gay theology, like that taught by Cardinal Ritter, only bears evil fruit. Nothing good comes of it. So according to Jesus, anti-gay theology is evil, because it only produces evil. Anyone who embraces anti-gay theology intrinsically rejects Jesus Christ.

      “You talk about spreading love and acceptance, but when you get the chance you fail EPICLY.”

      “If you’re so secure in your own beliefs, then someone else’s shouldn’t offend you so easily.”

      So, judging by your abusive post, you clearly are not secure in your beliefs.

      Of course, for GLBTQ people, this is not about beliefs, it is about our very lives. In Uganda, because of the same theology Cardinal Ritter is teaching, there is an effort underway to inflict the death penalty on homosexuals. And not for the first time in human history. The Catholic church used to torture and kill homosexuals, as expression of their particular doctrine on human sexuality.

      “I’m shitty on behalf of this school and this man who you know nothing about.”

      Birds of a feather flock together.

      “You want people to accept homosexuality? Give them a reason.”

      Actually, real Christians do not need any reason other than the one Christ gave: “love your neighbor as yourself”. Your argument is irrational, it means that you need to give others a reason to grant you your civil rights, that people of color have to earn their civil rights, and so on. That is nonsense, and a standard you neither live nor would tolerate.

      “Practice what you preach, assholes.”

      Thank you for sinning against us. Please repent before you try again. As for calling us names:

      Matthew 5:22
      But I tell you that anyone who is angry with a brother or sister will be subject to judgment. Again, anyone who says to a brother or sister, ‘Raca,’ is answerable to the court. And anyone who says, ‘You fool!’ will be in danger of the fire of hell.

      Katie, are you female IRL? If so, then you should be silent here anyways, for Paul forbade women to teach or instruct men.

      Mar 29, 2011 at 11:07 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • JAW
      JAW

      @Katie:
      I went to Father John’s YouTube page… he has 70 videos out there of his sermons and classes. I am still a Catholic, and still go to church on a regular basis. I watched all of the parts of his class on homosexual marriage. The main issue I had was that he never answered difficult questions from the students. he was not prepared for the students to not fall into lock step to what he said. I lost count of how often he said I don’t know… and then just moved on. He could have started the second class, by answering the questions he did not have answers for from the first class.

      Father John felt so confident in what he was saying that he wore a mic, and advised the students several times that they would be on YouTube. I bet that it will be pulled in less then 2 weeks.

      When the question came up about People not being able to have children… he flew over it suggesting that a miracle could happen, so it was ok… He also suggested that a couple without children could still set an good example for others… but same sex couples could not… Father John came up with his own Theology… not necessarily what the church even teaches

      If you watch any of his sermons you would notice that they are scripted… he reads them almost word for word… they do not come from the heart. Father John is more into seeing himself on YouTube then really being a good Priest.

      Many of the students could see through what he was trying to sell

      Katie… I hope to hear your thoughts.

      Mar 29, 2011 at 11:38 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Katie
      Katie

      @T9r7u2t0h1:

      You know, you’re right. I spoke out of anger and shouldn’t have. I have a horrible temper and get defensive. I apologize for that. But I won’t retract what I said. What I meant to emphasize, and should have done so, was that just because something isn’t necessarily true or right, doesn’t make it a lie. And yes, doctrine can be hateful. And I won’t even attempt to deny that every damn priest, bishop, or pope has been sane, fair, or right in their actions. Corruption manifests on every level of society without exceptions. I’m just saying, you should put more energy into defending the LGBT community against organizations like Westboro who do, in fact, preach hate.

      Feel free to slam the Church. To interpret and use the Bible however you need to in order to stir up debate and controversy. It’s necessary. It’s useful. I don’t believe any institution to be infallible. Just be careful which passages you throw out into the open, after all interpretation is subjective.
      I apologize for speaking out of anger. I apologize for assuming that other people weren’t. But I absolutely won’t apologize for not thinking like you and I won’t apologize for defending a good man. Please realize I wasn’t defending my beliefs, I was defending a person who I happen to respect a great deal.

      Mar 29, 2011 at 11:41 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Katie
      Katie

      @JAW:

      Fr. Hollowell is a fairly new priest and I think he’s really trying to relate to his students through technology and trying to modernize his method of outreach. I also think it’s very different to watch his sermons and to actually be present when he’s reading them. To say that he’s not speaking from the heart simply because he wrote it out on paper is unfair. Almost like saying an author doesn’t believe what they’re saying just because they haven’t memorized the book for a reading. That’s a vague comparison, but there’s truth to it.

      “Father John came up with his own Theology… not necessarily what the church even teaches”

      Obviously students are going to question and disagree, I certainly did. I don’t think it’s possible for teachers of any kind to leave out their opinions.

      “I lost count of how often he said I don’t know… and then just moved on. He could have started the second class, by answering the questions he did not have answers for from the first class.”

      I remember being in classes just like his where students asked impossible, very gray area morality questions. It was extremely difficult to get a class to focus on the bottom line when all we did was discuss these very situational questions in class. He, after all, has a lesson plan to keep. But what I loved was that our teachers were always very open to questions and discussions outside of class. And I know Fr. Hollowell to be very accomodating when students need more information or answers.

      Mar 29, 2011 at 11:57 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Zonk
      Zonk

      Katie : I’m a “lapsed Catholic” who is very critical of the Catholic Church overall, but I’ll still grant your arguments have merit too. But this whole debate would have to be brought to a higher plane, because even those of us who visit Queerty know it’s kind of a tashy blog, with questionable articles. It’s just popular because anyone can come on here easily and blast off about anything, using vulgarities and whatever.

      Mar 30, 2011 at 12:20 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Byron
      Byron

      I find it very disheartening and disturbing that 99% of the comments on here are negative. It seems to me that people find it easier to hate and ignore than to try to understand where Father Hollowell is coming from. He was my teacher for theology and I found his class to be very refreshing. Granted I may not agree with everything that the Church says but I kept an open mind and heart when I was in his class. Almost all of you need to do the same.

      Mar 30, 2011 at 12:57 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • greenmanTN
      greenmanTN

      @Katie:

      “I’m just saying, you should put more energy into defending the LGBT community against organizations like Westboro who do, in fact, preach hate.”

      Bullshit.

      Actually the opposite is true. The Westboro Baptist Church is a joke. They’re so ridiculously over-the-top and hateful that NOBODY listens to them. They turn more people against homophobia than they do against gays. Look at the comment section under ANY article about the WBC on a mainstream website and the vast majority of comments are about how awful they are.

      But this “Holy man,” this “Priest” of the Catholic religion? He has access to impressionable children every school-day. He extends his influence through media like Youtube and this joker has the blessing of a worldwide church, not just a couple dozen attention-whores from the same family who like getting attention even if it’s negative.

      Make no mistake, this “Priest” does FAR more real damage to than the Phelps family ever dreamed of doing. So don’t tell me who is “simply relating doctrine” and who is really preaching hate. If you can’t see that, maybe you should lay off the Communion wine.

      Mar 30, 2011 at 1:02 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • greenmanTN
      greenmanTN

      @Byron: Witness exhibit A.

      Where he’s coming from? You mean a church with an extensive record of protecting its own interests instead of the faithful from sexually predatory priests? The church that’s more concerned with its its own doctrine than the interests of the people it allegedly serves? The church that tells people in AIDS-ravaged countries that condoms are are a sin and tells abused women to stay with theis husbands and pray that God will enlighten him? Is that the “place” you mean?

      Because I don’t have any respect, none, for that “place.”

      Mar 30, 2011 at 1:18 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Nathan
      Nathan

      Father Hollowell is nothing more than an ignorant servant of the pope, false prophet and high priest of Mammon.

      Mar 30, 2011 at 1:28 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • GetBalance
      GetBalance

      I will also add that this priest works for the Vatican, who just last week shunned president Obama’s message to the UN to be more inclusive of gay people and stop the horrible pain caused in other countries. The Vatican shut that idea down and sided w homo-attackful countries such as Uganda and Iran.

      Byron, I truly question your priorities. Is it a teachers crush that has you covering for this sexually abusive teacher or do u simply find homophobia in a class setting soothing?

      Mar 30, 2011 at 1:46 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • GetBalance
      GetBalance

      Ps From my point of view this priest is a mental emotional pedophile and at best, a useless waste of skin.

      Mar 30, 2011 at 1:50 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Nick
      Nick

      Wait wait. And dude’s wearing a dress? Confused.com

      Mar 30, 2011 at 2:13 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • JAW
      JAW

      @Katie:

      Kathy… I could tell that he is fairly young and newly ordained. I also agree with you that he is strong in his beliefs.

      My concern is that he feels that he is doing such an outstanding job that he broadcasts his classes on YouTube for the world to see. Father John is not ready for the world to see. I also found it interesting that he critized his Theology teachers, saying that all they did in class was to color or play games. Sorry, he is not a great teacher himself.

      The same goes for his sermons, He should be preaching, not reading. Yes he does say some interesting things, but note cards with key points on them would be a much better way to go. I have a bigger issue with the fact that he broadcasts all of his sermons then their content… How many other teachers or clergy do you know that makes posts like he does?

      Mar 30, 2011 at 8:49 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • JAW
      JAW

      @GetBalance:

      Get a life… if you have proof that he is what you say he is… shame on you for not reporting to the police… Perhaps he should sue you for libel, if you cannot stand behind your statement.

      Mar 30, 2011 at 8:54 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • JAW
      JAW

      @Nick:

      LOL… is that your best shot??? He is wearing a cassock… look it up, find the history… it is not only a catholic thing.

      Mar 30, 2011 at 9:06 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Shannon1981
      Shannon1981

      @Byron: What is the point of you and Katie and your cohorts trolling a GAY BLOG to defend someone who is saying we are an abomination? You really expect us to give this person-or you, for that matter- the time of day? That makes no sense. Look, I’ve no issue with people having a problem with the way I live my life. I do, however, take really big fucking issue when people tell innocent kids that they are an abomination, that we are sick, shouldn’t have equal rights,etc. Sorry, but there is just no defending this, and, furthermore, how dare you come into our space and tell us what we should and shouldn’t be doing. As far as I am concerned, when you told me you were Catholic, you lost all credibility. You lost all respect when you told us to open our minds and hearts to a clear homophobe. The man is harmful. And a liar. And a bigot. And a self important prick who doesn’t need to be preaching to anyone. End of story.

      Mar 30, 2011 at 9:15 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • GetBalance
      GetBalance

      @ JAW

      I said he is an emotional / mental pedophile, I have no proof he is a physical pedophile. Shannon1981 outlined my “proof” quite well.

      Perhaps a pair of reading glasses may help you see more clearly?

      Mar 30, 2011 at 9:42 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Katie
      Katie

      @JAW:

      Actually, the Ritter students I know are grateful for thee clarifications he, and theology teachers like him, make. Simply because we would really like to know what we’re disagreeing with and why, or if we disagree at all. I know what he’s saying about the coloring and games; there are a lot of theology teachers in elementary and high schools that won’t give the facts and ignore genuine questions. Most of us just wanted to be treated like adults so we could form our own opinions. Being told bluntly what the Church teaches is better than just hearing that Jesus loves everyone. Even teenagers like to know where they stand.

      As for the posts, all I can say is that he’s a tech geek.

      And don’t worry Shannon1981, I won’t be invading your space and offending you with my defensiveness anymore. Just wanted to respond to that question.

      Mar 30, 2011 at 6:47 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Kimberly
      Kimberly

      It’s ironic because if all of you who commented so profanely are so right and happy, why do you sound so angry?

      Mar 30, 2011 at 7:28 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Kimberly
      Kimberly

      @JAW:
      Of course the sermons are scripted. Just read these posts and see how foolish one sounds when they do not properly think about what they say before saying it.

      Mar 30, 2011 at 7:38 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Avenger
      Avenger

      I applaud this guy for speaking the truth.

      Mar 30, 2011 at 9:13 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Kev C
      Kev C

      @Avenger: Just keep your hands where we can see them.

      Mar 30, 2011 at 9:40 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Jeni Lengerich
      Jeni Lengerich

      @Katie:

      Father John is one of the most generous, loving people I know. He is eaching a doctrine on a behavior, not a condemnation on a group. It makes me sick that the only defense that so many can use when attacking the church of millions, is the despicable behavior of a few. Cardinal Ritter students may not always agree with Faher John, but he always makes them think and feel, and that is truly education. We at Cardinal Ritter know how blessed we are to be in a faith based enviorment.

      also, the woman in the background is another catholic school teacher, working for less than her public school counterparts, and with less resources, all the while convincing teenagers to tuck in their shirts, perform on an elevated grading scale, and perform service work for the elderly in the neighborhood.

      God Bless Caholic Schools!!!!

      Mar 30, 2011 at 11:10 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Finola
      Finola

      Good comment Jeni! These other comments are just slander. These people here are trying to detract from a priest who they don’t even know. You may not agree with him, but that is no reason to accuse him without any, and i mean ANY proof. It just shows you up as mean spirited and intolerant.

      Poor sad people.

      Mar 31, 2011 at 12:00 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Kevin
      Kevin

      that my mom on the right side! just saying lol

      Mar 31, 2011 at 2:17 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • JM
      JM

      @Kimberly: You asked “It’s ironic because if all of you who commented so profanely are so right and happy, why do you sound so angry?” I am angry because this asshole is trying to tell another generation of young people that what I am is an abomination. Try having that word applied to you sometime, you fucking twit, and see how it makes you feel.

      Mar 31, 2011 at 7:02 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • jason
      jason

      Father Hollowell is correct in saying that the orientation should be distinguished from the act. However, he places an inordinate degree of weight on the Biblical disapproval of homosexual acts. The Bible is a huge book that devotes probably less than 0.0000001% of its words to condemning same-sex activity.

      One could just as easily point out that gluttony is a sin, eating shellfish is a sin, and insubordinate wives are committing a sin. I mean, it’s all there in the Bible.

      In any case, I don’t see how moderate homosexual activity in a monogamous context harms society. I’ve yet to see any evidence that it does.

      Mar 31, 2011 at 7:52 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Eddie Guanajuato
      Eddie Guanajuato

      @Paul McMichael:

      It is NOT genetic. If so, then why are there FORMER Homo-Sexuals?

      Mar 31, 2011 at 8:36 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • jason
      jason

      Eddie Guanajato,

      Ex-homosexuals are men who have chosen to not interact sexually with men. In many instances, these men are still homosexually oriented despite the fact that they now choose to refrain from homosexual activity.

      In a nutshell, they are ex-homosexuals BEHAVIOR-WISE, not ORIENTATION-WISE.

      Mar 31, 2011 at 8:54 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • JusticeontheRocks
      JusticeontheRocks

      @Katie: Love, acceptance, tolerance. Horseshit. I could care less about that touchy feely nonsense. When I see a representative of one of the most homophobic institutions in the world (to say nothing of being one of the most morally bankrupt) pass judgment on me, feeding at the trough of public ignorance and distaste for gay people, am I am going to call him on it.

      So to you and everyone else who claims to represent the Mafia with crosses who wants to whine about people not loving them, recognize my basic human rights, quite spreading lies, and then we’ll talk about singing Kumbaya together.

      @jason: not “in many cases,” in all cases. They’re just going back in the closet.

      Mar 31, 2011 at 9:15 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Kev C
      Kev C

      @jason: The point he was making is that sin is bad, but homosexuality is an abomination, so it’s super bad and we need to kill it. But the bible also says ALL sin is an abomination.

      http://richardwaynegarganta.com/abomination.htm

      Mar 31, 2011 at 9:21 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • GetBalance
      GetBalance

      @Justiceontherocks

      I think unless something impacts people directly, they can’t, woops, won’t see past their own front door.

      It’s becoming ever more clear that religion is the devil’s rep on Earth, and of course would wrap himself in love tolerance touchy-feely to attract flies, similar to horse shit. It would seem a full on exit and not looking back could be the best answer, including all this brew hah on this sight. Im looking at what im flying around and smelling and wondering just how much it is affecting my life.

      But then being a fireman w the big fire hose cleaning the dung out of the public square doesn’t look like such a bad job.

      Mar 31, 2011 at 10:43 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Kel
      Kel

      I’ve been honestly asking via Father Hollowell’s comments on his posts for him to answer the following. Unfortunately, he, or someone, keeps deleting this request for honest answers. Shame on him for doing so as answering them may clear up how the Bible is being intrepted…

      I do need some advice from you regarding some other elements of God’s Laws and how to follow them.

      1. Leviticus 25:44 states that I may possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify? Why can’t I own Canadians?

      2. I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?

      3. I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of Menstrual uncleanliness – Lev.15: 19-24. The problem is how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense.

      4. When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord – Lev.1:9. The problem is my neighbors. They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?

      5. I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself, or should I ask the police to do it?

      6. A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an abomination, Lev. 11:10, it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don’t agree. Can you settle this? Are there ‘degrees’ of abomination?

      7. Lev. 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle-room here?

      8. Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev. 19:27. How should they die?

      9. I know from Lev. 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?

      10. My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev.19:19 by planting two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them? Lev.24:10-16. Couldn’t we just burn them to death at a private family affair, like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev. 20:14)

      I know you have studied these things extensively and thus enjoy considerable expertise in such matters, so I’m confident you can help.

      Thank you again for reminding us that G-d’s word is eternal and unchanging.

      Mar 31, 2011 at 1:35 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • hopeforabetterfuture
      hopeforabetterfuture

      @Eddie Guanajuato:
      There have been proven correlations with sexual orientation and genetics, but it’s much more complicated than that; sexuality can be fluid. That’s everyone’s problem with it, that they can’t fit in nicely into a little box and under tidy labels. People can be gay, straight, bi, transexual, transgender. You should read some research done by the Kinsey institute (IU), they are at the top for respected sexual research organizations in the world.
      Where are these “former homosexuals” that you speak of? Members of the church? who have been so guilted into feeling like sinners that they have suppressed their true feelings to fit in with what is being presented as “right”?
      How can you even make the argument that sexual orientation is a choice? When the 5 year old boy on the playground, who has been raised in a culture that teaches him he should be attracted to girls, finds himself confused why he feels an attraction to boys..
      Do you see that as a choice? Any reasonable person can see that it’s not.

      As a former cardinal ritter student, I am completely embarrassed by these videos. and I’m also ashamed of this class of students for sitting there so calmly listening to this ridiculous lecture. I will make no argument that father hollowell is not a generous man, but his claims in this video are nonetheless despicable.
      Trying to separate the actions of gay people from the actual fact of being gay is ridiculous and unfair. So straight people should be able to get married and enjoy sex with each other, but gay people should never be given that chance at all without “committing an abomination against God”?
      And speaking of the actions of gay people… Iwas shocked that Father Hollowell actually tried to use that ridiculous “study” he cited as some kind of actual statistical fact! First of all it’s from the 80s, so he’s not even using a current study to address a current issue. Second of all he said they interviewed 156 gay couples…. hmmm… 156 gay couples out of how many in the world? I’m sure i could find 156 straight couples who had cheated on each other in about an hour. That kind of sample is way to small to represent a population as large as the gay population.

      There are soooo many more points to be addressed from these videos, unfortunately that would take all day.

      Mar 31, 2011 at 5:40 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Kev C
      Kev C

      What’s interesting to me is how homosexuality always brings the same passionate God condementation from bigots. Gays are an abombination, they are going to burn in hell, yada yada. Even from people who don’t even go to church! Even criminals say this.

      What do you think about murderers, rapists, child molestors?
      They should probably go to jail.
      What about homosexuals?
      The Bible says this! God hates homos! They should be beaten! They will go to hell!

      Mar 31, 2011 at 6:39 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • JT
      JT

      *yawn* Another closet case priest.

      Mar 31, 2011 at 8:34 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • MB
      MB

      I believe in gay rights.

      However…

      How can such a simple and casual statement of your beliefs, totally void of anything hateful, promt such utter hatred from other people? People seem to think that being in opposition to something these days comes in a bundled package with hating and attacking it. This is not the case. Sure, there are people in the Catholic church who DO call homosexuality an abomination and hell-worthy, however I do not see Father Hollowell as one of these people. Sadly, the moment you say you do not believe in something…SIMPLY DO NOT BELIEVE…no hatred whatsoever…you are brutally attacked. I usually would’nt put my 2 cents into these kind of things, but the overall response to these blog posts are making me lose faith in humanity more and more…

      Mar 31, 2011 at 8:54 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • MB
      MB

      P.S.

      Waiting to be viciously attacked

      Mar 31, 2011 at 8:58 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • justiceontherocks
      justiceontherocks

      @MB: don’t flatter yourself.

      Mar 31, 2011 at 9:20 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • MB
      MB

      Already have

      Mar 31, 2011 at 9:21 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Kev C
      Kev C

      @MB: What part was “totally void of anything hateful”? His abnormal obsession with other people’s lives? His emphasis on the immorality of homosexuality? His false and misleading scientific statements?

      Or his emphasis on a strict reading of the Bible? If we are to strictly interpret the Bible about homosexuality, the next step is stoning gays to death, because that’s the biblical punishment. That is what Father John is teaching.

      Listen to the video again. He spends 4 minutes on the christian morality about killing and murder, and concludes by making an exception for “abominations”.

      He’s advocating killing gays .. DUDE!

      Mar 31, 2011 at 9:27 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • MB
      MB

      My last words for this blog post..

      The gay rights movement is going to end just as the civil rights movement did, with victory. Whether you are against it or not, it is only a matter of time before same-sex marriage is legal throughout the entire country. So until then, why spread unnecessary hate? Be patient, and stop painting a false picture of the gay community being vile and hateful. Because they are not.

      Mar 31, 2011 at 9:29 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Shannon1981
      Shannon1981

      @MB: Whether there is hate or not in his preachings, he is perpetuating hate by spreading bigoted lies to the next generation. Damn right we’re angry. we’ve a right to be angry. Do you like being lied on and called an abomination? We shouldn’t shut up when this crazy bigot is posting this shit on youtube for thousands, perhaps more, to see, and possibly believe. He deserves whatever vitriolic hate comes his way, as do all the people here defending him.

      Mar 31, 2011 at 9:47 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • MB
      MB

      Weird that when I click your name, the first words that I see are “Stop the Hate”

      Mar 31, 2011 at 9:50 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Shannon1981
      Shannon1981

      @MB: Why is that weird? I run a blog aimed at stopping bullying of LGBT Youth, and promoting equal rights.

      Mar 31, 2011 at 10:01 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • justiceontherocks
      justiceontherocks

      @Shannon1981: You should know by now that when you call a bigot on their shit you’re being unfair.

      I have no idea why anyone would listen to a priest yap about sex, a subject they are uniquely unqualified to discuss. But Rev. Whatever his name is has no right to complain about the waxing his words are getting. He threw the first punch – he has no right to pout when we swing back.

      Mar 31, 2011 at 10:04 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Shannon1981
      Shannon1981

      @justiceontherocks: LOL yes.Best not to say anything against the poor persecuted religious fundies. Heaven forbid anyone should question the teachings of a 4000 year old book written by traveling desert folk.
      Also, It’s weird, the entire time I have been posting here, that website has been linked.nobody has said a word about it. Yet,tonight…. This is the second or third time someone has tried to use my attempts at doing good deeds against me. The lack of logic in their attempts to defend bigotry is simply amazing.

      Mar 31, 2011 at 10:08 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • justiceontherocks
      justiceontherocks

      @Shannon1981: Bigotry has no logic. Neither does anyone who thinks your website promotes hate or a “militant agenda,” whatever that is.

      I don’t mind having honest disagreements with people, but when people start throwing around “perversion” or “fag” or “Jewboy” we aren’t going to get anywhere.

      Mar 31, 2011 at 10:27 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Shannon1981
      Shannon1981

      @justiceontherocks: That was the point I was trying to make re: the slurs. Sorry, but if someone thinks its ok for a public servant to use such words in a place as public as facebook….well. that was pretty much the end for me. But, in case you haven’t noticed, sometimes I have a hard time not trying to have the last word, even with people who have no logic. And I should certainly nobody thinks I am doing anything but promoting awareness and equality with the website. Good grief, if he thinks that is hateful, then there are some serious problems here.

      Mar 31, 2011 at 10:34 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • David
      David

      Ah, yet more bullshit spewed by a priest of the Catholic Church, the greatest organization for torture and mass murder in the history of humanity.

      Apr 4, 2011 at 5:28 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • WOW
      WOW

      Okay, I am a student in this class, more specifically the one who was “busting his nuts” over Leviticus and the Bible itself. I am not saying that I agree with everything that he says, but I appreciate his view on the matter.

      Apr 5, 2011 at 2:23 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • mike
      mike

      After stumbling across this site, I read the comments regarding this video, and assumed that the Priest did a horrible job and stated lie after lie. He did a good job, and he taught his students well, and they respected what he had to say. It goes to show that if you want to find negative things to say about someone, you can. It’s just that you all have dug pretty deep here. There is nothing shocking or controversial in what this priest taught in the video above. A job well done by a faithful priest, it seems. Good job!

      Mar 9, 2012 at 5:12 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • iDavid
      iDavid

      Mike

      He may have taught what he believes. But one must realize it was sinful to be black. Either mankind opens their three blind mice eyes or we all continue to hate. Your comment is especially bothersome as you seem intelligent, but then so does the Pope. The fact you would support a teaching of such diseased content, no matter how well it was taught, is truly frightening. Or were you complimenting his teaching style only, content not included?

      Mar 9, 2012 at 5:39 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·

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