First off, I’m tired of hets pontificating on homosexuality as if they know what the fuck they’re talking about. Secondly, I’ll take him at his word, when it’s common for white actors to throw around nigger, spic, chinck, hebe with the wild abandon that they throw around anti-gay slurs. Lastly, I’m fed up with hets telling us that if someone is anti-gay, it’s because they’re gay themselves.
Like I wrote in another thread, Al Qaeda should have flown the planes into the Hollywood sign; America would have been a better palce for it.
Posted: May 13, 2009 at 12:12 pm
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@John Santos: “I’ll take him at his word, when it’s common for white actors to throw around nigger, spic, chinck, hebe with the wild abandon that they throw around anti-gay slurs.”
Aaaaaand that would begin with O’Connor’s portrayal of Archie Bunker in “All in the Family.”
Posted: May 13, 2009 at 12:36 pm
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“I’m just representing a character, and you have to understand him for all of his faults and assets. I don’t think there’s anything off-limits in terms of storytelling.”
Okay. Sure. How about:
“Don’t text me; it’s kike.”
“Paging Dr. Nigger.”
“Don’t text me; it’s jungle bunny.”
“Paging Dr. Jew.”
Because we hear comments like that all the time in the flicks.
Posted: May 13, 2009 at 1:40 pm
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i just don’t know why they don’t say other stuff, like “that’s so black,” or “that’s so woman” or “that’s so asian.” maybe it would become too transparent suddenly or “Paging Dr. Nigger” or “Paging Dr. Gook” it’s just a collective acceptance of oppression…it’s screams hypocrite.
@WestWing: i typed my comments and read your after! we’re thinking the same same thing…interesting
Posted: May 13, 2009 at 2:42 pm
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As for the rest, blah. I’m sick of gay for pay actors, too, and their generic, boring responses to the same questions as if it’s even remotely interesting.
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Characters in movies don’t say, “that’s so jungle bunny” because no one in life says that. It’s not because racism is off limits in movies, but because when it is presented it is done so in a way that is believable (or so they try).
But we would not expect that no characters in movies show the form of subtle racism that is reflected in society. Characters might comment about “asian drivers” or might point out a black guy in an expensive car and say, “huh, I wonder if he’s a rapper or just a pimp”. Because these forms of racism exist in abundance.
Just like “that’s so gay” is abundant. And an actor making such a slur in a movie is a reflection on the character being played, not on the actor.
Posted: May 13, 2009 at 4:02 pm
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Timothy, why should LGBTQ’s have to go to the movies, only to be hammered with anti-gay slurs? Racial minorities and religious minorities know that when they go to the movies, they will not be hearing racial/religious slurs–unless it’s their own race doing the slurring.
Queers, however, have to listen to hets use anti-gay slurs that were written by hets, directed by hets and financed by hets. If this happened to any other minority, it would be called bigotry. It happens to us, and it’s called acting.
Characters in movies don’t say, “that’s so jungle bunny” because no one in life says that.
Yes, and when can we expect that to happen to us? As long as Hollywood has decided that queers are a viable target, we will always hear anti-gay slurs. Other minorities did a fine job in slapping Hollywood down and putting it in our place. Queers apparently control Hollywood, and we’re the ones who get slapped down.
Posted: May 13, 2009 at 4:20 pm
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Aaaaaand that would begin with O’Connor’s portrayal of Archie Bunker in “All in the Family.”
Imagine trying to get that made today. It would be devoid of wit, style and any semblance of reality. AITF, like Mel Brooks in the 70′s, made fun of everyone, thus making everyone part of the joke. Not like today, where only certain people are held up for ridicule.
Posted: May 13, 2009 at 4:24 pm
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Exactly! “Crash” was the least racist, racist movie I’ve ever seen. Yet apparently it was a “learning” movie that was suppose to teach us about ourselves.
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it’s just a collective acceptance of oppression…it’s screams hypocrite.
I think it was Kevin Smith, or some such douchebag director, who when asked why he doesn’t use racial slurs, stated that it was “too obvious”, whatever that means. But anti-gay slurs are what?–the epitome of brilliance?
Posted: May 13, 2009 at 4:29 pm
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I’m sick of gay for pay actors, too, and their generic, boring responses to the same questions as if it’s even remotely interesting.
Yeah, tell me about it. I thought the advancement of queer equality was suppose to help queers, not help hets get great roles playing queer characters, while queers actors remain in the closet.
Posted: May 13, 2009 at 4:31 pm
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Untwist your panties, gals. It’s a movie, for fuck’s sake. Getting bent out of shape over every tiny slight (real or perceived) just makes us look like whiny little bitches. Pick your battles, kids, or you just become insufferable.
“Life is too serious to be taken seriously.” – Oscar Wilde
Posted: May 13, 2009 at 8:46 pm
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@John Santos: Have you stolen my brain? I didn’t think any gay person thought like me. I agree with everything you wrote in this thread. You obviously are very perceptive.
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Racial minorities do go to movies and find themselves hammered with racist dialog all the time. Have you ever seen a Quentin Tarrantino film? Every other word is “nig–r” this or that.
And, the racial stereotypes abound in BIG blockbusters. Did you see Michael Bay’s “Transformers”? Anthony Anderson delivered a performance that only Step’n'Fetchit could surpass.
Oh, did I forget the Simpson’s and their unapologetic anti-Indian slurs where they have white actor Hank Azaria playing Abu the Indian convenience store owner?
Let’s also not forget the endless special episodes of crime shows that take place in mysterious, dangerous Chinatown, where our guest star Asian actor helps bring down the evil Chinese mobster who is either into drugs or sexual slavery!! Undoubtedly, the episode will feature graceful wind chimes and reed instruments.
There are also the standard episodes where nearly all white casts have a black guest star, who, of course, must play either a sports figure or rap musical artist/club promoter, or religious figure? How many episodes have you seen where as soon as there is someone black, the show starts playing soulful gospel music?
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Homophobia isn’t just opposition to homosexual persons. It’s also opposition to the concept of homosexuality. Any idea, thought or notion of homosexuality is reviled and feared by homophobes.
Posted: May 14, 2009 at 8:53 am
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Thanks Always Gay. We’d be surprised how many gay people feel like this. Unfortunately, these feelings are usually dismissed as anger by our detractors, as if anger is a bad emotion.
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Racial minorities do go to movies and find themselves hammered with racist dialog all the time. Have you ever seen a Quentin Tarrantino film? Every other word is “nig–r” this or that.
Yes and a lot of those slurs are thrown around by African-American actors. how often are anti-gay slurs used by queer actors?
And, the racial stereotypes abound in BIG blockbusters. Did you see Michael Bay’s “Transformers”? Anthony Anderson delivered a performance that only Step’n'Fetchit could surpass.
Anthony Anderson is black. Harvey Fierstein once said he didn’t mind playing a sissy, because he was one in real life. Now, if Mr. Anderson was playing blackface, you’d have a pertinent point. He’s a black actor taking back the crude way blacks were portrayed for decades in Hollywood. If I were a black actor I would OWN Sleep ‘n’ Eat performances with pride and in honor of Willie Best, and to show how far black actors have come.
Oh, did I forget the Simpson’s and their unapologetic anti-Indian slurs where they have white actor Hank Azaria playing Abu the Indian convenience store owner?
Yes, but the Simpsons make fun of everyone. They are today’s All In The Family. I have never seen anything on the Simpsons that offends me, because everyone is made fun of, thus everyone is part of the joke, rather than the butt of the joke.
Let’s also not forget the endless special episodes of crime shows that take place in mysterious, dangerous Chinatown, where our guest star Asian actor helps bring down the evil Chinese mobster who is either into drugs or sexual slavery!! Undoubtedly, the episode will feature graceful wind chimes and reed instruments.
Yes, and again, those actors are Asian. No more Paul Muni–an excellent actor and one of my faves–playing Wang Lung with ridiculous eye make-up and pronouncing his R’s as L’s.
There are also the standard episodes where nearly all white casts have a black guest star,
A black guest star. Not a white one playing black.
who, of course, must play either a sports figure or rap musical artist/club promoter, or religious figure? How many episodes have you seen where as soon as there is someone black, the show starts playing soulful gospel music?
Honestly? Not a lot. But then again, Canada has several all black cast shows that are very real. However, for every “special” episode with a black guest star rapper/athlete/preacher/dealer, there is a Steve Harvey show which is still brilliant even today.
My point is, I wouldn’t have a problem with gay slurs if gay actors had more opportunities to play these types of characters. But apparently, it’s not acting for gays to play gay. Yet it’s acting for blacks to play black and so on. That’s horse shit.
Posted: May 14, 2009 at 10:21 am
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It sounds like you’re confusing the character for the actor and the script for real life. They are not the same things.
First off, I’m tired of hets pontificating on homosexuality as if they know what the fuck they’re talking about. Secondly, I’ll take him at his word, when it’s common for white actors to throw around nigger, spic, chinck, hebe with the wild abandon that they throw around anti-gay slurs. Lastly, I’m fed up with hets telling us that if someone is anti-gay, it’s because they’re gay themselves.
Like I wrote in another thread, Al Qaeda should have flown the planes into the Hollywood sign; America would have been a better palce for it.
@John Santos: “I’ll take him at his word, when it’s common for white actors to throw around nigger, spic, chinck, hebe with the wild abandon that they throw around anti-gay slurs.”
Aaaaaand that would begin with O’Connor’s portrayal of Archie Bunker in “All in the Family.”
OT but, Zach Galifianakis is F’n hot.
“I’m just representing a character, and you have to understand him for all of his faults and assets. I don’t think there’s anything off-limits in terms of storytelling.”
Okay. Sure. How about:
“Don’t text me; it’s kike.”
“Paging Dr. Nigger.”
“Don’t text me; it’s jungle bunny.”
“Paging Dr. Jew.”
Because we hear comments like that all the time in the flicks.
A person without a sense of humor is like a wagon without springs. It’s jolted by every pebble on the road. – Henry Ward Beecher
and
A sense of humor is a major defense against minor troubles. – Mignon McLaughlin
and lastly,
Humor is the instinct for taking pain playfully. – Max Eastman
@John Santos: WOW! You stole the thoughts right out of my mind. I completely agree with you.
i just don’t know why they don’t say other stuff, like “that’s so black,” or “that’s so woman” or “that’s so asian.” maybe it would become too transparent suddenly or “Paging Dr. Nigger” or “Paging Dr. Gook” it’s just a collective acceptance of oppression…it’s screams hypocrite.
@WestWing: i typed my comments and read your after! we’re thinking the same same thing…interesting
zack gilifianakis is gifted.
“fugees and funions…”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vSnBhvaXURA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qlPZq8llJJ4
As for the rest, blah. I’m sick of gay for pay actors, too, and their generic, boring responses to the same questions as if it’s even remotely interesting.
Characters in movies don’t say, “that’s so jungle bunny” because no one in life says that. It’s not because racism is off limits in movies, but because when it is presented it is done so in a way that is believable (or so they try).
But we would not expect that no characters in movies show the form of subtle racism that is reflected in society. Characters might comment about “asian drivers” or might point out a black guy in an expensive car and say, “huh, I wonder if he’s a rapper or just a pimp”. Because these forms of racism exist in abundance.
Just like “that’s so gay” is abundant. And an actor making such a slur in a movie is a reflection on the character being played, not on the actor.
@WestWing:
Exactly.
@mylilpip:
Humor brings insight and tolerance. Irony brings a deeper and less friendly understanding.
–Agnes Repplier
@Timothy:
Timothy, why should LGBTQ’s have to go to the movies, only to be hammered with anti-gay slurs? Racial minorities and religious minorities know that when they go to the movies, they will not be hearing racial/religious slurs–unless it’s their own race doing the slurring.
Queers, however, have to listen to hets use anti-gay slurs that were written by hets, directed by hets and financed by hets. If this happened to any other minority, it would be called bigotry. It happens to us, and it’s called acting.
Characters in movies don’t say, “that’s so jungle bunny” because no one in life says that.
Yes, and when can we expect that to happen to us? As long as Hollywood has decided that queers are a viable target, we will always hear anti-gay slurs. Other minorities did a fine job in slapping Hollywood down and putting it in our place. Queers apparently control Hollywood, and we’re the ones who get slapped down.
@cufflinks:
Aaaaaand that would begin with O’Connor’s portrayal of Archie Bunker in “All in the Family.”
Imagine trying to get that made today. It would be devoid of wit, style and any semblance of reality. AITF, like Mel Brooks in the 70′s, made fun of everyone, thus making everyone part of the joke. Not like today, where only certain people are held up for ridicule.
@WestWing:
Exactly! “Crash” was the least racist, racist movie I’ve ever seen. Yet apparently it was a “learning” movie that was suppose to teach us about ourselves.
@AlwaysGay:
Blush :)
@jake:
it’s just a collective acceptance of oppression…it’s screams hypocrite.
I think it was Kevin Smith, or some such douchebag director, who when asked why he doesn’t use racial slurs, stated that it was “too obvious”, whatever that means. But anti-gay slurs are what?–the epitome of brilliance?
@TANK:
I’m sick of gay for pay actors, too, and their generic, boring responses to the same questions as if it’s even remotely interesting.
Yeah, tell me about it. I thought the advancement of queer equality was suppose to help queers, not help hets get great roles playing queer characters, while queers actors remain in the closet.
If anyone wants to read the article in its entirety, here’s the link. It’s in the latest Advocate. http://www.advocate.com/issue_story_ektid80902.asp
I wonder if Bradley Cooper would have been comfortable ‘paging Dr. Nigger?’ Or Dr. Kike? Or Dr. Chink, Gook or WHATEVER?????
Justifying the use of the word faggot is just no longer justifiable no matter how hard you try, straight folks.
well i’ll do em a favor and spend my ‘Faggot’ money on this masterful film
@sal(the original): LOL,I mean NOT(!!!!!!!!)spend….lol
Untwist your panties, gals. It’s a movie, for fuck’s sake. Getting bent out of shape over every tiny slight (real or perceived) just makes us look like whiny little bitches. Pick your battles, kids, or you just become insufferable.
“Life is too serious to be taken seriously.” – Oscar Wilde
I find that straight guys who use the word “fag” a lot are usually the easiest to bed after they’ve had a few drinks.
@John Santos: Have you stolen my brain? I didn’t think any gay person thought like me. I agree with everything you wrote in this thread. You obviously are very perceptive.
@John Santos:
John,
Racial minorities do go to movies and find themselves hammered with racist dialog all the time. Have you ever seen a Quentin Tarrantino film? Every other word is “nig–r” this or that.
And, the racial stereotypes abound in BIG blockbusters. Did you see Michael Bay’s “Transformers”? Anthony Anderson delivered a performance that only Step’n'Fetchit could surpass.
Oh, did I forget the Simpson’s and their unapologetic anti-Indian slurs where they have white actor Hank Azaria playing Abu the Indian convenience store owner?
Let’s also not forget the endless special episodes of crime shows that take place in mysterious, dangerous Chinatown, where our guest star Asian actor helps bring down the evil Chinese mobster who is either into drugs or sexual slavery!! Undoubtedly, the episode will feature graceful wind chimes and reed instruments.
There are also the standard episodes where nearly all white casts have a black guest star, who, of course, must play either a sports figure or rap musical artist/club promoter, or religious figure? How many episodes have you seen where as soon as there is someone black, the show starts playing soulful gospel music?
Homophobia isn’t just opposition to homosexual persons. It’s also opposition to the concept of homosexuality. Any idea, thought or notion of homosexuality is reviled and feared by homophobes.
@AlwaysGay:
You obviously are very perceptive.
Thanks Always Gay. We’d be surprised how many gay people feel like this. Unfortunately, these feelings are usually dismissed as anger by our detractors, as if anger is a bad emotion.
@blake:
Racial minorities do go to movies and find themselves hammered with racist dialog all the time. Have you ever seen a Quentin Tarrantino film? Every other word is “nig–r” this or that.
Yes and a lot of those slurs are thrown around by African-American actors. how often are anti-gay slurs used by queer actors?
And, the racial stereotypes abound in BIG blockbusters. Did you see Michael Bay’s “Transformers”? Anthony Anderson delivered a performance that only Step’n'Fetchit could surpass.
Anthony Anderson is black. Harvey Fierstein once said he didn’t mind playing a sissy, because he was one in real life. Now, if Mr. Anderson was playing blackface, you’d have a pertinent point. He’s a black actor taking back the crude way blacks were portrayed for decades in Hollywood. If I were a black actor I would OWN Sleep ‘n’ Eat performances with pride and in honor of Willie Best, and to show how far black actors have come.
Oh, did I forget the Simpson’s and their unapologetic anti-Indian slurs where they have white actor Hank Azaria playing Abu the Indian convenience store owner?
Yes, but the Simpsons make fun of everyone. They are today’s All In The Family. I have never seen anything on the Simpsons that offends me, because everyone is made fun of, thus everyone is part of the joke, rather than the butt of the joke.
Let’s also not forget the endless special episodes of crime shows that take place in mysterious, dangerous Chinatown, where our guest star Asian actor helps bring down the evil Chinese mobster who is either into drugs or sexual slavery!! Undoubtedly, the episode will feature graceful wind chimes and reed instruments.
Yes, and again, those actors are Asian. No more Paul Muni–an excellent actor and one of my faves–playing Wang Lung with ridiculous eye make-up and pronouncing his R’s as L’s.
There are also the standard episodes where nearly all white casts have a black guest star,
A black guest star. Not a white one playing black.
who, of course, must play either a sports figure or rap musical artist/club promoter, or religious figure? How many episodes have you seen where as soon as there is someone black, the show starts playing soulful gospel music?
Honestly? Not a lot. But then again, Canada has several all black cast shows that are very real. However, for every “special” episode with a black guest star rapper/athlete/preacher/dealer, there is a Steve Harvey show which is still brilliant even today.
My point is, I wouldn’t have a problem with gay slurs if gay actors had more opportunities to play these types of characters. But apparently, it’s not acting for gays to play gay. Yet it’s acting for blacks to play black and so on. That’s horse shit.