From their parents, of course. Tina Fortune, of Florida, is a divorced mother of three. We’ve watched a few of her videos, and we’ve concluded she is a normal, level-headed person! She discusses family and parenting with reason and experience, which is actually something worth noting in the context of parents who upload videos of their kids to YouTube, because a good 89 percent of them should have their children taken away. That positive impression was reinforced here, in a chat with her son Mansir, who thinks the idea of a woman marrying another woman is “nasty.” But Tina doesn’t want her son judging other people like that. She asks where he learned gay relationships are “nasty.” Nowhere in particular, he says; he just knows. So it couldn’t possibly be from his own mother, right?
Wrong.
Because Tina, who says “we love all people and we don’t judge people,” also reminds Mansir (and viewers, in the Chyron) she wants him to marry a girl. It’s the “not in my backyard mentality.” I’m fine with gays, just so long as my kids aren’t! That isn’t a message of “not judging”; it’s a message of “don’t be different.” Who knows what Mansir, or any little boy or girl, will grow up to be. But while it’s commendable to raise children with a “don’t judge” attitude, the whole effort is undermined when you tell your kid “don’t be like that.” As if they have a choice in the matter.
And yes, we noticed the giant cross in the background.
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alejandro
well its stil better than promoting hate..
Chris
“I want him to marry a girl, yet I will not allow him to judge people.” – she clearly doesn’t have good judgement, that much is clear
Taylor Siluwé
No. 2 · Chris
Saying she doesn’t have good judgment is a bit of a stretch. Actually, no, it’s just wrong.
He could have picked up the whole gay is “nasty” vibe from school, not necessarily from his mom. With all the bad parents in the world who saddle their kids with all sorts of ‘phobias and ‘isms, this lady seems like one of the good ones.
I think she just doesn’t realize the mixed message she’s sending. What she should say is ‘your heart will tell you who to marry one day’. Full stop.
JR
That was totally rehearsed! Another little ‘Down Low’ dude in the making… Probably not even on the DL… he will be Voguing and having ‘walk offs’ a la Miss Jay Alexander by the time he is junior high. And no, mom, this hat doesn’t make me look totally gay… that would be ‘nasty’.
swarm
They also learn “it” from their friend’s homes – particularly those with older brothers.
Flip side: You also have to limit exposure of enlightened children to those type of homes and other kids. As much as you may like the individual kid as a playmate, you quickly find how hurt and confused YOURS can get at a young age by homophobia that they don’t understand or know how to “address” when confronted with it. It’s just wrong and stupid to send your little 7 year old to some asshole’s house where 3 older brothers use LGBT as a punchline. Therefore, most playdates are at YOUR home or only with others of like mind. Easier said than done, considering sports affiliations etc. IME.
Parenthood is over-rated. sigh.
Tallskin
She asks where he learned gay relationships are “nasty.
And yes, we noticed the giant cross in the background.
Er, there’s your answer!
Mr. Enemabag Jones
Mansir?
What the fuck kind of name is that?
TommyOC
I’m sorry to say this, but the only reason I would naturally insert the words “or man” into “when you get married to a woman” is because I’m gay myself. It’s not because I’m more tolerant, or a victim of discrimination, or even just a better person, it’s because I’m LESS IGNORANT!
In the same way I assume every (cute) guy is gay (or open to it), heterosexuals can’t be faulted for defaulting to every guy is straight.
It’s a sucky deal for those of us who like to remind the world that gays exist, but the great majority of the time, I’m thinking heteros mean no harm by such assumptions.
This parent isn’t a bad parent. And I’m not her defender. She’s ignorant, sure, but she doesn’t appear to be a hate-monger.
And you should give her credit for that.
ewe
Black or white, these people are teetering on the edge of evangelicalism. This woman is the type of person that would suspend all of her own judgement if she felt the need to fit in especially on behalf of her own son. She really needs at least one gay friend to inform her. As i alway say to people of color that judge me either up front in my face or anonymously on a blog… go look in the mirror at the color of your skin before you start putting down other minorities. Many people of color alongide their white counterparts must lead extremely blessed lives to be so damn ignorant. Gay people are not going to get anywhere unless we remind our foes just who the hell they are and where they have historically fit in or out.
nancy glue
“ewe” is right.
i can’t even speak on this last comment…
this kind of hysterical anger and “white trashy” snobbery will be the end of Us.
b*tches need to tend to Our own backyards.
really, this kind of random, hateful scapegoating of individuals is the absolute nadir.
Jai
“well its stil better than promoting hate..”
Yes, because promoting ignorance and complete stupidity is the way to go.
Enron
Well, I learnt that homosexuality is wrong in schools when other male students called out gays as fags and nasty. It wasn’t until years later I heard parents and siblings denouncing it. Also, I remember attending a sports day and a few guys in a higher grade ambushed me to ask ‘You ever fucked pussy?’ You should fuck pussy? I think that was a warning sign I shouldn’t say ‘no, I prefer male ass”.
fbloss
A good statement on this topic is the lyrics to a song from “South Pacific, “You’ve got to be taught to hate and fear…You’ve got to be carefully taught.” The entire song is worth listening to in this context.
gollygeegaygoy
‘I teach him not to judge’ {but I teach him to judge}. I am sure he will not grow up to judge her. {but I am sure he will}
Disgusted American
they learn it from the person who takes care of them (mother,father,etc etc) just like the KKK members who bring thier lil kids on Jerry springer…all decked out in lil baby white sheets….sad,pathetic example of the human race.
Disgusted American
@ewe:
Disgusted American
let me fix what I said….Nothing at all against this mother, she is obviously doing something right, I suspect its the kids friends,or a male role model in his life he”s heard this from…not his mother..
Homer
Mansir probably heard that women+women was “nasty” from his bitter father, or another relative, whom Mansir still respects and trusts. Tina probably talks about Mansir marrying a girl because she knows it is most likely what will happen, and they may have even talked about whether Mansir likes girls before. Believe it or not, he’s old enough to know. There’s obviously way too little information here to pass judgement on Tina or anyone.
B
“Where Do Children Learn that Gay Relationships Are ‘Nasty’?” … possibly from their peers, who think it is all nasty when they are 12 (and joke about it to cover up their nervousness). Then they get over it some of it when they start to get girlfriends or boyfriends, but most of them get girlfriends so the corrective signals generally don’t change their childish attitudes towards gays and lesbians.
I’m not sure if this is right, but it would be an interesting hypothesis to test.
Lukas P.
Kids say “hateful” things all the time without knowing what they mean. Kids learn bad words and bad ideas from other kids, adults, TV, relatives. Blaming the mom is always an easy target, and yeah I *wish* she were more enlightened about sexual orientation, but without further evidence of “contempt” on her part, she’s a better target for education than scorn.
Where does she get HER ideas from is a better question… Church? Neighbors? Friends? TV and Radio? Ideas like hers about what’s “nasty” and what’s not don’t usually just arise out of nowhere.
tazz
This is really just the “tip of the iceberg” in terms of indoctrination, there is much, much worse and this woman isn’t nearly as dangerous as some of the other religious idiots are
sam
It’s tolerant repression. It’s not as horrific as flat-out discrimination, but her assumption or hope that he marries a women, something that is so ahead into the future, that she tells him at such a young age just goes to show people that many parents would rather their kids never tell them about their true sexuality.
Yuki
I honestly see very little wrong with that mentality; I highly doubt anybody WANTS their child to be gay. It’s not exactly phrased the best way it could be, sure, but at the same time I don’t think it’s a big deal. I think it’s more important that she’s teaching her son not to judge.
Sol Invictus
Most kids have an aversion to anything related to gay without religion entering in to it. None of you bothered to factor that in, now did ya ? You think this kid has read or knows about the book of Leviticus? Get real.
If, and if and when, someone identifies a gene that causes people to be gay, lots of potential mommies will probably choose not to have that child. After all, it is HER choice, right? Or undergo gene manipulation therapy that will be online in the next few years to modify a gene not wanted.
None of you all considered that at all, did ya? It is entirely possible that when a gay gene is found, that some Muslim scientist will be the one who discovers it. And there are probably several searching right now. We all know how gays are cherished in the Muslim world.
How long afterwards will there be gays? Ever think of that?
Mr. Enemabag Jones
@Sol Invictus:
Go back to Pay Patriot, Sol.
ewe
@Sol Invictus: oh DEDODEDODEDODEODO. “If i only had a brain.” Hubada hubada hubada.