Each week online comedian, voice actor and chest hair model Sam Kalidi creates a new meme for Queerty readers. This week he gets serious about the Stonewall movie controversy and looks at the person many people believe was the true hero of the pivotal moment in the struggle for queer rights. Sam looks forward to all your hate mail. You can find him on Twitter, Facebook, Instagram and at your local glory hole.
animaux
It wasn’t her. She was the one who started the rebellion inside Stonewall Inn, by refusing to be searched by the police.
No one knows who threw he first brick. The movie attributes it to an invented black drag queen character.
BritAus
@animaux: Ok how do you know it wasn’t her?
Tobi
Storme DeLaverie http://d.pr/KSon
aliengod
Who gives a shit? What does it matter? There were many heroes at Stonewall.
SeeingAll
Did Johnson allegedly give it a girly underhanded toss, or pitch a real fastball like a dude ?
Glücklich
@aliengod:
Thank you. After all this time, this minutiae warrants coverage? More importantly, was it $2 well drinks night? If there was a television in the bar, what program was airing? Goddammit the fuckin’ Stonewall happened. Does anyone give a shit who threw what?
Cam
Storme DeLaverie was acknowledged by multiple witnesses to be the person who threw the first punch, refused to be loaded into the car, and got the crowd invloved by screaming “Why are you all just standing there.”
The Trans activists want her erased from history, she is a lesbian, and she did drag, two things they seem to hate. Trans activists try to claim that Sylvia Castro was one of the leaders of Stonewall, They leave out the part where Marsha Johnson stated that Castro wasn’t there, she was passed out up at Bryant Park, and later when Castro claimed to be there, she claimed it was for Marsha Johnson’s birthday. Only problem is, Stonewall happened in June, Marsha’s birthday is in August.
But that doesn’t matter to Trans Activists, they want to erase Storme from history, and rewrite it.
SeeingAll
@Glücklich: I’ll disagree with you there. I think it would be significant to know (at the very LEAST as historical trivia) but since we’ll never know for sure we might as well stop debating it.
Tobi
https://youtu.be/fU21LKlfrmA
Kangol
@aliengod: Heroes and sheroes.
Thank you to all the brave queer people at Stonewall and elsewhere who stood up and fought against homophobia for our equality, humanity and rights!
They didn’t do it by tailoring their behavior to straights feel OK, they didn’t try to mimic those who were their oppressors, and they didn’t just think that they’d be given anything. They fought, and we should fight on because the struggle continues.
Dymension
Does it really matter who threw the first stone, or that the stone was thrown at all? I get so tired of everyone trying to take credit without considering the bigger picture. It happened! That’s what’s important!
wagnerwallace
Wait, so it wasn’t a cute white twink who started it?
wagnerwallace
@Dymension: That’s so silly to think that way.
Basically youre saying that key facts and figures throughout history are irrelevant, and all that matters is that it happened and we get the benefits.
Cagnazzo82
@Dymension: This is like Stalin erasing Trotsky from the history of the bolshevik revolution by literally removing him from all the pictures and all the history books and someone responding ‘well, what does it matter if you erase a key figure… it still happened!’
Well it matters a lot because history is the result of actions taken by human beings. It is not some amorphous blob that simply moves along on its own.
Sluggo2007
The only thing that matters at all is that Stonewall happened. Now, someone wants to take credit for throwing the first brick? One brick would not have accomplished anything. It was the joint effort of everyone who stood up to the imbecilic, corrupt police that started the ball rolling. No one person can take (and shouldn’t take) credit.
jwtraveler
@SeeingAll:Maybe it was a girly pitch like this girl.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VIeBrcP38cw
gjg64
And no one knows who fired the first shot at Lexington & Concord either. It would be great to know, but it doesn’t change the outcome.
Amaurys Arias
What is know is that she was the one the broke the orderly search inside the stonewall by throwing a shotglass breaking a mirror while screaming “got my civil rights!” At the cops trying to search her
FnameLname
@Cam: are you talking about Sylvia Rivera ?
FnameLname
@Cam: Thank you!
FnameLname
@FnameLname: Thank you, it is nice to see information on the pioneers who stood up that night and fought back. There is so much focus on who did what first when the key factor for me is that everyone joined together and basically said they were not taking it anymore. I always read and heard about the lesbian who was in a bare knuckle fight with the police and now it is great to know who she was.
dean3000
@FnameLname: I don’t think there is unity in the LGBT movement today and this movie, judging by the trailer will further alienate those people who don’t fit a specific profile. The movie was an opportunity to give a broader picture of LGBT life rather than the usual twink/bear narrative which is a bit stale.
mujerado
@Cam: Thanks for your post. It’s always a breath of fresh air to hear from someone who knows the real story. This is also recorded in “Stonewall: The Riots That Sparked the Gay Revolution,” by David Carter. It’s the best researched and most accurate recounting of those stormy nights.
SeeingAll
@jwtraveler: LOL. Probably !
Avery Alvarez
Is there such a thing as history anymore?
This whole thing has proven that there isn’t. Just a bunch of people with agendas to push.
I’m surprised right wing christian conservatives haven’t come along to claim one of their own threw the first brick.
Why not? It’s just as believable.
They wouldn’t be any worse than any other the other shameless “activists” trying to turn this important piece of history into their own personal vanity project.
Then, they can claim that we’re “atheist-washing” the film.
SeeingAll
@Cam: Storme DeLaverie’s presence is backed up by many many many witnesses too, unlike the others making claims of being there.
SeeingAll
@Avery Alvarez: The Fat Joe My God blog guy will soon claim we’re thin-washing it.
msfrost
@animaux:
It was a High Heel Shoe, not a brick.
Doughosier
I wonder what the earliest written accounts say? I suspect that the farther away we get from 1969, the more survivors, if there are any, are going to convince themselves what they remember is the truth.
Cam
@SeeingAll:
The fact that you an I agree on something either means that hell froze over or that it’s probably true. LOL
Chris
@aliengod: And here I thought that the right answer is: “He who is without sin.” But what do I know?
The first brick, without the throwing of all the other bricks and the collective action of a bunch of queens and “regular” fags (what we were called back then) who were just fed up with how they were being treated by the police — the first brick would have been an act of vandalism. It was everything else that turned it into a riot that was followed by a movement.
I was a teen at the time; and this riot was just a footnote in the news of the time. I remember that America had already been through the Chicago riots, Watts and lots of other civil-rights actions. If anything, this riot was sort of “old news.”
What I remember from then was some sort of follow-up meeting with the police and some city politicians (John Lindsay was mayor then) who agreed that police would stop harassing gay men simply for being gathering.
Chris
@Cagnazzo82: With all due respect to all of the queens and queers at the riots, none of them — to the best of knowledge — was of the political stature of a Trotsky. I think of this more along the lines of: who took the first brick off the Berlin Wall or who led the storming of the Bastille?
Masc Pride
So now we’re debating about who deserves credit for being violent first?
Clark35
@Avery Alvarez: Exactly.
@SeeingAll: LMAO too true, Joe my God or Joe Jervis’ blog is now a total joke, way too PC, and he’s one of the most negative people on the internet and is not any sort of leader for LGBT people or even gay fat white men like himself.
SeeingAll
@Clark35: The Fat Joe Jervis blog is just an echo chamber for bored guys who need to feel like they’re bonding. and if someone veers from the script they scream “Troll ! Troll!”
SeeingAll
@Cam: Well….the DeLaverie involvement is so well-verified I can’t see anybody disagreeing that it happened.
pjm1
As others have mentioned, “Stonewall” by David Carter is the go to source. Why?
It was researched for 10 years. Many of those were interviewed and recorded. The
interviews and 10 years worth of research, testimony, corroboration has been saved.
Page 298, footnote 11, in first hand account of the book, states “both Robert Heide and John O’Brien
saw Marsha in the crowd outside the club on the first night and both independently described
her as being in semi-drag, not full drag. Heide said he saw her ‘just in the middle of the whole
thing, screaming and yelling and throwing rocks and almost like Molly Pitcher in the revolution
or something. I mean, a loud yelling and screaming . . . {the account goes on and then states}
it seems reasonable to conclude that Marsha Johnson was almost indubitably among the first to
be violent that night and may possibly have been the first.”
Another main actor, who was among the first, was Jackie Hormona, the bleach blond street kid who was
in the one photo taken on the first night. Certainly, Marsha was without a doubt one of the main instigators
and may have been the first. What we do know, is that it was a group of trans, gays, lesbians of all colors
and social classes that came together.
The account and Marsha and Jackie Hormona’s and others who contributed goes on for many pages – you
will have to read yourself . . .
scotshot
@Masc Pride: “So now we”re debating about who deserves credit foe being violent first”?
Well Masc Pride, it was bigoted f|cks like you. I guess you have no idea what it’s like to be teased, bullied, beaten up, being
called names like fag, queer, queen, homo, fudge packer, deviant, pansy, poof, my personal favorite”IT” – the list of
pejorative and derogatory names go on and on, being unable to marry, denied housing, denied employment – being fired
from a job, being shunned by your family, being kicked out of the house at a young age, being denied service at a store,
being imprisoned / gassed at a concentration camp …the list is endless.
Today we’re still battling it, either from self-hating gays and incredibly insecure “heterosexuals”. Which are you?
As far as instigating violence? If you look back through the millennia it wasn’t Gays.
scotshot
@scotshot: ^ This was originally only a couple of paragraphs^ Damn computers!
pjm1
@Masc Pride: i think the debate is more about who
had the guts to stand up to the police, to make a stand, against the violent oppression that
was put on the trans, gay, lesbian, queer community. Ultimately, it was a group of people that
came together at around, most likely, an African American trans woman, a butch lesbian who
refused and fought the police, and a white street kid who had had enough. They, and others, stood
up and against the sadistic repression of the police to ignite the rights movement on a Friday night,
in June, in front of the Stonewall, not to many years ago.
Jacob23
So at this point, these posts from Queerty on Stonewall are just click bait. Queerty will stoke anything – from faux historical controversies to rape – in order to get clicks.
I’ll repeat what I have posted previously regarding the findings of David Carter in Stonewall: The Riots That Sparked The Gay Revolution. Carter’s book is the most extensive treatment of this subject. He interviewed every living witness he could find, including rioters, police, and local reporters, carefully pored over all known photographs and film footage, reviewed public records, and gained access to private documents and archives. His conclusion:
– Marsha Johnson did participate in the Stonewall riot but did not “throw the first brick.” There was no “first brick” moment. In fact, there was no one key moment which launched the riot. Instead, “there was a continuum of resistance ranging from silent persons who ignored the police orders to move to those who threw objects at the police.” Bricks, taken from a nearby construction site,, were thrown but that was only after the riot was underway. And according to multiple sources, it was a crowd of people who threw objects, not one individual. A parking meter was uprooted by a group of white males described by witnesses as looking like “bikers” “street people” or “hustlers.” This meter was used as a battering ram on the door of the Stonewall. But while important, that too, occurred only after the riot was well underway. As for Johnson, witness and riot participant Craig Rodwell describes MJ climbing a lamppost and dropping a heavy object onto the windshield of a police car. That is the only description of Johnson’s involvement and it too occurred when the riot was well underway.
– Regarding Storm DeLarverie’s being the lesbian who resisted arrest: A lesbian patron of the Stonewall resisted being taken into custody and slipped out of the paddy wagon several times before being forced in and driven away. This resistance was witnessed by a lot of people and everyone with whom Carter spoke gave a consistent account. So there’s no question that a lesbian was one of the heroes that night. But Carter thinks it is improbable that this unidentified lesbian could have been Storm DeLarverie. He says:
“To cite only a few of the problems with this thesis, DeLarverie’s story is one of escaping the police, not of being taken into custody by them, and she has claimed that on that night she was outside the bar, “quiet, I didn’t say a word to anybody, I was just trying to see what was happening,” when a policeman, without provocation, hit her in the eye (“Stonewall 1969: A Symposium,” June 20, 1997, New York City). DeLarverie is also an African-American woman, and all the witnesses interviewed by the author describe the woman as Caucasian. Finally, there has been much speculation about who this woman could have been if a lesbian did play a key role. Stormé was well known in the local lesbian community at the time of the riots and has remained so ever since, and it is highly improbable that this woman who was seen by hundreds of people could have been a person of note in the community, else she would have been identified at the time or shortly thereafter.”
It really is disgusting the way every other heroic figure from that night – from brave homeless youths like Jack Hormona and his friends, to gay activist John O’Brien, to Craig Rodwell, to the bikers and hustlers who ripped up the parking meter, to the lesbian who refused to get into that police car to the local residents who slowed down the police by loitering and refusing to clear the streets – are all quashed and belittled in favor of a false version of events, altered to fit the dictates of race and transgender ideology.
SonOfKings
It was Dawn Davenport what started it all when she threw her cha-cha heels at the cops.
SeeingAll
@scotshot: Except for some of those Roman emperors. And, of course, Ernst Roehm.
Cam
@SonOfKings:
Not on Christmas!!!
Tebn
1. Honestly, if I am going to watch a movie (or series) I like to see attractive and masculine guys, like Jeremy Irvine. I don’t like to see ugly men or effeminate men in films o series.
2. Besides, if someone doesn’t like this movie because of its approach he could make his own version on the facts.
3. It’s absolutely reprehensible the comments and actions anti-whites and specifically against masculine and cisgender white guys.
Cagnazzo82
@Tebn: People like you are the reason gay movies will never be taken seriously.
Nor will they ever make any mainstream money.
Louis
That night was one of the most historic movements and moments in gay rights I cant believe we are even wondering who threw the first brick.
Why does that matter?
What matters is that it happened to begin with and the fact that all of these people were heroes courageous strong and inspiring.
Till the day I die I will always be grateful to those people ALL of them whether gay transgender and so on.
These people created a monumental movement within society and within our community if it wasn’t for them we wouldn’t have the fight we now have within each and everyone on us fighting for our rights to be treated with dignity and respect, our rights to marry the one we love, our right to visit our loved one in the hospital , our right to adopt a child , etc…
They created the change we continued on with the change to honor all of those who came before us and said no I wont take it anymore .
Louis
@Tebn: Beauty is in the eye of the beholder beauty is also skin deep sir.
The beauty within is more important then the beauty on the outside.
Actions are ugly also not how someone looks.
How someone carries themselves is ugly how someone treats someone else is ugly not how they look.
That is a superficial attitude sadly.
Louis
@Masc Pride: You would have never had the courage these people had period.
Furthermore if they wouldn’t have fought they probably would have been killed back then especially.
Ummmm Yeah
More lies and trans, black and brown washing of Stonewall and it’s all bullshit. No one knows what started it much less who and the pictures from the riots prove it was mostly white men that weren’t drag queens, or at least weren’t in drag that night. I’m sick of these lies.
Evji108
Whoever whipped up this fake controversy based only on a trailer, not the actual film is an enemy of the LGBT community. Instead of focusing on the real enemies of the community, these people fan the flames of an hate and anger to create internal division and separate us from one another. A house divided against itself cannot stand. I wouldn’t be surprised if this was started by some Christian infiltrators, to deliberately weaken the LGBT community. These are well known tactics to divide and conquer minority groups. Certainly they have been successful in this case. It is extremely sad to watch.
Avery Alvarez
@Evji108: It was actually started by SJWs.
Consider them like the radical left wing version of conservative religious groups.
They have a victimhood/matyr complex, which has given them a superiority complex, and a massively overfeed ego.
Think of it something like, “the world isn’t the way I would like it to be. I’ve been hurt by some experiences. I’m a victim Therefore I’m morally justified in taking out my anger and outrage on the public at large. My revenge, my anger, my bigotry, my hate is morally justified”
Much like the right wing christians, you can’t reason with them. They are full on ideologues, and their particular narrative of how the world works, no matter how completely mistaken or distorted, gives them purpose. Look up “the horseshoe theory”, how politically, the left and right get so extreme they tend to look exactly like each other, and be completely indistinguishable. That’s what’s going on here.
Evji108
What you say may be true, but we do not, and cannot know is even that particular group that you mention called SJWs, has been infiltrated by the Christian right. I have been a member of a spiritual organization long targeted by the Christians. They, also in collusion with the US government under certain US Presidents have tried and succeeded in infiltrating my organization and others that I know personally about. They are well-funded, very determined and have an international reach. They place people in the target organization, and allow them to gain the trust of the other members, they then very carefully cultivate dissent within that organization by subtly spreading gossip, inuendo and smears that create fights and rivalries. Once that is well in place they can maneuver their people into leadership positions.
Evji108
@Avery Alvarez: I made a reply to you, but it didn’t connect with yours, it is now posted.
Blaktarn
Reading these comments it seems that the big issue that every is skirting around is what was the race of the person that threw the brick… How sad, because with all of our new found rights we now have the time as gay people to start segregating ourselves like the straights. It only stands to reason that the steps we have made forward also leaves a way for us to go backwards in other areas. As a older gay it’s sad to see it happen but I guess it is the price of becoming part of the norm.
dtpm
Fundamentally it does not matter who threw the first brick.. or whatever.. but it does matter that that person in portrayed as the perfect young blonde anglo american. There were many people there, and there are hints as to what happened. It was NOT what is being portrayed.
dtpm
@Blactarn… where have you been living?? “We now have the time as gay people to start segragating” Really??? The gay community is as segregated as it gets… It’s barely beginning to make the first steps. This site is the ultimate example by what it features and portrays.
Blaktarn
@dtpm: Europe. I forget the differences in gays in America.
Blackceo
@Blaktarn:
DING DING DING!!!! I was just waiting for someone to say it. If it was a question of some random White person there wouldn’t be all this questioning about it. But because it may have been a Black trans person it now has to be subject to Obama levels of birth certificate scrutiny. At the end if the day it doesn’t matter who threw the first punch or brick because there were many heroes from that movement. But yes I clearly see through some of you mofos. Y’all ain’t slick.
@dtpm:
So segregated. It’s ashame. I actually have been fortunate enough to have a very diverse cultural and ethnic group of gay friends but for the most part it is very segregated. It’s time we clean up some of our own shit in our backyard.
Sluggo2007
@Blaktarn: Bingo, Blaktarn!!!! Welcome to Obama’s America!
Blaktarn
@Sluggo2007: I’m sure the racial divide didn’t start with the President, however many will give him credit for it.
DefiantOne
“Best researched and most accurate” according to whom? Not to many who were there. Certain white gays are predictably circling the wagons in defense of whitewashing and segregation. They love to ignore other sources and cite Carter’s book only because it confirms the bias central to their lives: white Abercrombie models at the forefront and everyone else shunted aside, per usual.
Lord forbid there be one portrayal of gay life that has a lead character/model/representative who is nonwhite — Looking had 3/4 leads and all were white (and yes, there are white Latinos, just like there are black Latinos — Latino is not a race). Once I found out Stonewall was being made by a gay director, I just knew this movie would cast a Sean Cody model-type in the lead. The gayKK’s bigotry is pure hypocrisy — preaching about inclusion and tolerance while making nonwhites feel invisible, erased, unimportant. Many gays will not even associate PLATONICALLY with nonwhites. White supremacy is the gay community’s dirty little secret — but thank goodness this controversy is helping it all get out.
Tackle
@Blaktarn: You ask a very simple but great question. Who threw the first brick. Only it wasn’t a brick, but either a shot glass, or a shoe. And it is strange how this issue is skirted around. Strange how 10 yrs can be spent, interviewing, so-called every eyewitness, and doing extensive research, yet you cannot find out who threw the first something. I find this hard to believe. I’m sure if it were someone white, that definitely would have been put into that book. In all likelihood,it was Marsha P Johnson…
Blackceo
@Sluggo2007:
No. Welcome to America. Obama’s ascension to the presidency didn’t worsen race relations. This shit isnt new. It simply revealed what has always been there. It’s just that as long as Blacks didn’t hold positions of great power it was ok. No position of power is greater than President of the US and many have revealed their true selves with his being elected President…..TWICE I might add!!!!!
Clark35
@SeeingAll: LAMO very true. If you disagree with anyone on there they think that you’re a troll. The blog was far better when it was a sex blog and Joe would blog about doing it BB/raw with random guys he hooked up with or about fisting men/being fisted.
Masc Pride
@scotshot: I can totally see why someone would call you all those names. I was never bullied (doesn’t that make you so angry?), imprisoned or gassed at a concentration camp. However, I do know that uncivilized behavior (like throwing bricks) only makes matters worse.
@pjm1: Please name me just one time where attacking police worked out well for an individual. I’ll wait.
@Louis: You are correct. I would not throw bricks at people. I didn’t grow up in public housing.
pjm1
@Masc Pride: the early morning of June 28, 1969,
Christopher Street park and the birth of lgbtq liberation in front of the Stonewall Inn. You
may actually want to do some reading about it at some point.
Jacob23
@Tackle: I don’t think you’ve read Carter’s book, or any other book on the subject. Carter makes clear that there was no “first brick” moment where the riots were sparked. It was a spectrum of resistance” which manifested at the very start of the raid and gradually escalated. The first physical resistance were small acts of defiance – not moving when told to move, pulling back when being manhandled, etc. There was an incident recalled consistently by multiple witnesses involving a lesbian who refused to get into a police car and who then tried to escape the car. The first objects hurled were not shoes or shot glasses, but coins and small objects like pebbles, and those were hurled by multiple people in the crowd as a sign of disrespect not as part of an attempt to injure. As things escalated, people in the crowd went to grab bricks from a nearby construction site. Garbage cans were set alight and rolled towards the bar. Marsha Johnson at some point when the riot was well underway, was seen by activist/rioter Craig Rodwell climbing a lamp post and dropping a heavy object onto the windshield of a police car. So MJ threw (or more accurately dropped) something, possibly a brick, but it wasn’t the “spark” that started the riot. You can pound your fist all you like and Queerty can post and re-post all the memes it likes. But none of that changes history.
Stop denigrating the event and the people who were there. These were all brave people and you should honor them all, whether they were white homeless kids or middle class gay activists or Black transvestites.
Masc Pride
@pjm1: No. That’s not an answer to my question. You’re generally referring to what possibly lead to the organization of acquiring gay rights. As far as the individuals discussed, things didn’t work out so well for them, particularly for those who were detained and claim they were beaten while in custody. Attacking an officer will never work out well for an individual.
I have read a bit about this whole thing. So many different stories. So many questionable/disputed accounts. The only thing I’m 100 percent certain of is that everyone wants to claim to be the “star” of these riots.
DefiantOne
#1 at the box office this weekend: Straight Outta Compton, with $59 million. Are they still gonna keep using the “we have to have 99% white casts because that what sells” excuse.
I bet gays still can’t figure out why a show like Looking can’t find a broad audience in an increasingly multicultural society. smh
pjm1
@Masc Pride: Of those arrested (13), most
of them worked at the Stonewall and were part of organized crime. Things worked
out very well for many of those who rioted that night. They were very very proud
of their standing up to the police brutality. Read the accounts, they were proud, they
were men and women who stood up for themselves. I believe you have some view of
what happened and you are holding on to that view that you are not seeing the reality
of what happened.
Daniel-Reader
Spend all this wasted energy getting rid of the 10 governments on Earth that murder gay people in the name of religion.
pjm1
@Masc Pride: by the way, if you want specific names
of people who were part of the uprising and things working out great for them, I’ll give
you three names . . . but you should really do your own research.
John O’Brien
Jerry Hoose
Raymond Castro
Though there are plenty of others.
Masc Pride
@pjm1: “I believe you have some view of what happened and you are holding on to that view that you are not seeing the reality of what happened.”
I believe you’re doing the same.
Ray Castro was arrested. We obviously have different views of what “working out great” means. I read an interview where Castro claimed the police were actually super impressed with his toughness and resistance and also how the Mafia offered to protect him in the slam. Ray clearly had quite a vivid imagination. RIP.
sweetbrandigirl2004
I wasn’t there in fact I wasn’t even born yet. But I’ve been told the first thing thrown was a “High Heel SHOE” and that it was thrown by a transwomen. Is this NOT true ?
I also don’t think the makers of this film should take Artistic liberties with the FACTS of how things happened thats no different in my opinion then the White GOP religious nut jobs down in Texas changing the Facts of evolution in text books.
Masc Pride
@sweetbrandigirl2004: Same here. I also heard the same story about the high heel but thought it was just a rumor/joke because of how stereotypical it seems. But with all the varied accounts of what actually happened here, who knows? Maybe it’s true!
Also agree with you on the artistic license. Tell the story as it is or don’t tell it at all. It’s pretty pathetic when a gangster rap group’s biopic is more accurate than a retelling of a supposedly historical event like Stonewall.
Jacob23
@Masc Pride: The accounts of the people who were actually, verifiably there (which includes rioters whose presence was documented, police, Stonewall staff, and reporters) aren’t all that varied. Sure there is some variation on some details, about the major events and timeline are all consistent. The first objects thrown were small rocks, pebbles and coins, and it escalated from there. Whether a high-heeled shoe might have been thrown at some point is unknown. But if such a shoe were thrown, it might well have come from a woman. Because there were no more than a dozen cross-dressers participating in the riot.
femonanon
@animaux: Storme DeLaverie …yes, a woman
femonanon
@animaux: Storme DeLaverie
femonanon
Storme DeLaverie