Enough already. This week’s fiasco over Caroline Kennedy, whether the result of “personal concerns” or the simple fact that New York Governor David A. Paterson had no intention of ever appointing her, has highlighted not only the dysfunctional state of New York politics, but also a failure of political imagination. Kennedy’s appointment, had it been made, would have been the ultimate bit of stunt casting. Today we know Paterson selected NY Representative Kirsten Gillibrand for the seat. This is a failure of imagination of another kind. Her colleague Rep. Carolyn McCarthy has already said that she won’t support Gillibrand — and for good reason: Gillibrand scored an “A” rating with the NRA last year for her extreme views on gun control. Says McCarthy:
“I’ve spent 15 years trying to prevent gun violence in this country, and if he does pick her and if no one goes and primaries her, I will primary her. I will do that. I’m not going to give up on this. I’m not going to let New York State get represented by someone who gets a 100 percent rating from the NRA. I will not show any support whatsoever. The majority of New Yorkers are trying to reduce gun violence. I just feel that everybody should know what her record is. If she changes, let’s see it.”
If Governor Paterson had been serious about appointing a lawmaker that would have made headlines and helped him get reelected, there was only one viable choice: United Federation of Teachers President Randi Weingarten, who just happens to be a lesbian.
An anonymous source within the Paterson administration reached Queerty and expressed frustration that the gay and lesbian community had not done more to support her as a viable candidate for the Senate seat, saying “It’s time for the gay community to make some noise in support of a lesbian.” Considering that one candidate had already seemed like a shoo-in and collapsed, we’ll make the case, since in New York, like the weather, if you don’t like a political certainty, just wait a few hours.
As one of this nation’s top labor leaders, Randi would have had no problem raising the money to run for election in 2010, then again in 2012.
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Gillibrand must now realize that she needs to begin campaigning immediately. Appointed legislators almost always lose reelection since voters prefer a candidate of their own choosing. If he wanted his choice to have any lasting impact, Paterson’s selection needed to be someone who is not just qualified to represent the state, but also capable of running a strong campaign on their own. As President of the UFT and American Federation of Teachers, Weingarten commands an army of 160,000 teachers statewide and 1.4 million across the country. She is widely regarded as one of the most powerful women in New York. Crain’s New York Business listed her in their ‘Power 25’ in 2007, saying at the time:
“To get what she wants, Randi Weingarten uses a tireless advocacy, loud voice and deft skill for crafting partnerships with city officials.Since 2002, the UFT has raised salaries for union-represented employees by 43%. “We must continue to debate how to bring teachers the respect they deserve,” she says.
While trying to gain greater stewardship of schools for educators and parents, Ms. Weingarten continues to lobby for fair wages and better conditions for teachers. “Our salaries were not competitive with those in the suburbs,” she says.”
New York Magazine puts it more succinctly:
“As head of both the UFT and the Municipal Labor Commission, a union coalition with more than 365,000 members, Weingarten has influence that reaches beyond the schools: She can swing close to a half-million votes.”
It would have sent a strong message had Paterson named a lesbian to the Senate seat.
As you’re no doubt aware, gays and lesbians have had a rough going the past few months, while simultaneously learning the valuable lesson that speaking up loudly for equality and inclusion is the best strategy for change. Boycotts and protests have had an effect on the actions of politicians and business leaders.
Now that Paterson’s selected Kirsten Gillibrand for the Senate seat, gays and lesbians should vocally protest the decision. She is a poor friend to the gay community. She has the lowest HRC LGBT rights score of any New York State Democratic legislator: when she was asked to support a repeal of Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell, she refused; when she was asked to support extending employer health care coverage to domestic partners, she refused; when she was asked to extend naturalization benefits to domestic partners, she refused; when she was asked to extend Medicaid to cover low-income HIV-positive Americans, she refused.This would be a deplorable record any time, but Paterson’s now sent the single-worst Democrat in New York on gay and lesbian rights to the Senate in place of Hillary Clinton.
Were Paterson to have selected Weingarten, the Senate would have had its first openly-gay member ever. The decision would have been historic, but it would also put a human face for gays and lesbians in the Senate chamber– a decision that could have a positive influence at a time when it’s likely that the Senate will be voting on several LGBT rights measures. Milk’s axiom that they will vote for us if they know us applies to the Senate chamber as much as it does anywhere.
As president of the UFT, Randi Weingarten would have brought an expertise on education and children’s issues to the Senate.
We would not support Weingarten simply because she is a lesbian. She brings a broad range of expertise to the Senate and her acumen on issues of education, children’s rights and labor are second to none. Gillibrand, pales in comparison. Her House committee positions are in Subcommittee on Horticulture and Organic Agriculture, the Subcommittee on Livestock, Dairy, and Poultry, the Subcommittee on Seapower and Expeditionary Forces and the Subcommittee on Terrorism and Unconventional Threats. Weingarten’s union career has put her at the forefront of education reform. She has fought against school vouchers and private tuition tax credits and negotiated a controversial, but innovative contract that awarded bonuses to teachers when their student’s scores rose. Her skills at the negotiating table have shown her to be a woman capable of sticking to her guns, but capable of compromise.
New York politics have been a freak show in recent years. Were Paterson to have grown a pair and appointed Weingarten, he would not only have made history, he would have selected the best person for the job.
Robert, NYC
So there we have it. Governor Paterson’s appallingly bad choice of homophobe and bigot Gillibrand. Another Obamaesque move after the Warren selection. What the hell is going on with these Democrats? Paterson is playing with fire if he thinks Gillibrand will gain more upstate conservative democrats and independents. A conservative democrat is NEVER a good choice, they’re really republicans in sheep’s clothing. This is deeply disturbing and we must all make our dissent known to the Governor who now risks his own election as Governor in two years. We won’t forget, Governor!
ousslander
Randi Weingarten would have been a poor choice. She would try to raise our taxes even more to help support her union members. They would have been who she was representing. He probably picked Gillibrand to show the rest of the state that they matter and it’s not all just about manhattan and surrounding suburbs.
Scott, NYC
I 100% disagree. The fact that Kennedy was ever seriously about to get this job, simply by virtue of her last name, is what’s disgraceful. Having her powerful family connections attempt to railroad her into an important position is the work of a dynasty dicatorship, not the result of a free and open democracy. If a Republican did this, we’d all be hearing about how a group of powerful white people are abusing power to get one of their own (relatives) into the position. What, then, to make of the radio silence from the left when it’s one of THEIR own?
hells kitchen guy
I so hope McCarthy runs. I’ve always thought she was one of most honest and sincere people in politics. She’s not a grandstander, just a hard worker.
JJJJ
LOL. NYC gay activists never get a break. Just when they were relieved we wouldn’t have to have an Irish-American in there, they get Gillibrand instead. (BUT, the latest update is that Gillibrand might turn out surprisingly better on gay rights than expected).
afrolito
I can’t stand Randi Weingarten, so i’m glad she didn’t get picked. Personally, I was hoping for a black woman, or Andrew Cuomo.
Dave
Oh God, this is ridiculously silly. First, Gillebrand’s OMG ENEMY OF THE GAYS worst score for a NY Democrat — an 80 — is significantly above average, better than any returning Republican senator or congressperson save one, and five points higher than Dianne Feinstein.
Second, the twenty points she lost were for failing to co-sponsor bills. Her actual voting record was perfect.
blake
Japhy,
You got your facts wrong:
via Towleroad
http://www.towleroad.com/2009/01/human-rights-ca.html:
“There has been some discussion about the record of Kirsten Gillibrand, New York Governor David Paterson’s pick to replace Hillary Clinton, regarding her stance on Don’t Ask Don’t Tell and additional LGBT issues. In particular, we’d like to clarify references to the Human Rights Campaign Scorecard for the 110th Congress. Although Kirsten Gillibrand did not co-sponsor legislation to repeal DADT, non-cosponsorship does not mean support for the policy or opposition to repeal. In fact, in conversations with her office the Human Rights Campaign has confirmed Gillibrand is in favor of repealing Don’t Ask Don’t Tell and supports full marriage equality for gay and lesbian couples.
“Additionally, HRC confirmed with Gillibran’s staff additional points regarding her LGBT record:
· Supports marriage equality
· Co-sponsored and voted in favor of the Local Law Enforcement Hate Crimes Prevention Act
· Co-sponsored inclusive Employment Non-Discrimination Act (ENDA) and supports enactment of inclusive bill
· Voted in favor of ENDA
· Supports repeal of Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell
· Supports repeal of the Defense of Marriage Act
· Supports equal tax treatment of employer provided domestic partnership benefits
· Voted against allowing discrimination in hiring for the Head Start program
· Voted in favor of allowing Washington, DC to fund needle exchange programs with local funds
· Voted against procedural attempts to derail ENDA and hate crimes
· Endorsed by HRC PAC in 2008
· Supports the Early Treatment of HIV/AIDS Act (ETHA) to allow states to provide Medicaid coverage for HIV-positive persons”
blake
Japhy,
Given Paterson’s strong support of the GLBT New Yorkers, wouldn’t it have been severely out of character for him to have selected a homophobe for the role?
Alexa
I don’t think her LGBT record is really a problem as Blake points out. I am very troubled by her firearms views and her support of and by the NRA. But I suppose that’s only one thing, and not the worst thing.
rick
day late and a dollar short.
Justin
This is the problem I have with so many of my fellow gays–if someone supports us 99%, but not 100% (as she didn’t co-sponsor a couple bills but backs everything else), then clearly they’re homophobic and we’re getting screwed. Kind of like how Obama supports overturning DADT, enacting ENDA, giving us full civil unions, supports gay adoption, and has spoken in black churches about the need to confront their homophobia but since he didn’t support gay marriage with open arms as he was trying to win a national election that clearly he’s Jerry Fucking Falwell.
Gillibrand will have the ability to compete statewide in 2010 and 2012 (special election and then general election once the term ends). History has shown the party in power in the White House usually loses seats in the midterms so the GOP will already have an advantage there. I don’t want them taking a New York seat.
David Hauslaib
@blake: The problem here is that anyone can say they support a cause (repealing DADT, putting ENDA into law), but when someone is in a position to actually legislate and they fail to do so, her actions speak louder than words. As it stands, she did not support gay-friendly legislation when she had the chance to, and that’s a valid point for any voter to consider.
Meanwhile, I direct you to our follow up item — http://www.queerty.com/gay-orgs-roll-over-on-gillibrands-lackluster-gay-record-20090123/ — about how gay rights organizations roll over like dogs whenever a politician makes nice with them. Again, Gillibrand do not vote in favor of gay rights legislation. She might have a million reasons why she didn’t. But as it stands, she did not use her vote in Congress to help gay people. Even if she says — in a statement — that she’s on our side.
Mister C
Well Justin,
There is alot of FUCKING JERRY FALWELL’S who looks like Jerry as well and are HOMOPHOBIC. And Obama doesn’t look like them and who will tell the white church to confront homphobia as Obama did the black ones…….will you?
Blacks aren’t the only ones with this damn issue something that some gays refuse to believe.
Vern
Gillibrand’s ratings in Congress:
100% NARAL pro-choice
100% ACLU civil liberties
Stated she’s for marriage equity in her acceptance speech Friday (not reported, naturally.)
There’s been some appaling “news” coverage over the past few days. Kennedy was never a serious choice with the public. Many were shocked that she put herself forward so badly prepared. Upstate residents are rightly offended by the condescending attitude of press and downstaters alike that there was “no need to consider geography” in the appointment. Really? How did we wind up with Pataki? D’Amato? Gillibrand will be the first Senator from North of Westchester since 1970.
Cuomo would have been an easier pick for the Governor politically. Several other options like Maloney, Hinchey or Slaughter are in very important House positions, better able to help New York where they are than as a very junior Senator.
Gillibrand is a lawyer (Dartmouth, JD from UCLA)former counsel to HUD and no “country bumpkin.” She works hard, can raise money and when downstate Democrats finally get around to checking their facts, they will also support her.
It’s McCarthy who looks bad here, and the lazy, star-struck press, not Gillibrand.
Will
As someone that has actually worked on Capitol Hill, I can emphatically tell you that Gillibrand not co-sponsoring legislation means absolutely nothing. To get co-sponsors for a bill, legislators typically send form letters to their colleagues eliciting their support, much the same way that advocacy organizations and lobbyists do. An average member of Congress gets dozens of these co-sponsor requests daily, 99 percent of which end up collecting dust in a drawer.
So while Gillibrand certainly could have been more proactive in reaching out to the LGBT community as a friend and advocate, she has more than passed the threshold by now having come out in favor of EVERY piece of gay rights legislation matriculating in Congress, including in favor of marriage equality. So yes, while representing an upstate, rural and marginally Republican district, Gillibrand was not out being a leader on gay rights. But nor is she an adversary or someone whose vote we cannot count on.
All this doomsaying about Gillibrand is absurd, and while she was certainly not my top choice for the pick, the sky is hardly falling. New York is a Democratic state, and as such, I’d put the odds at 10-1 that Gillibrand not only raises the money necessary to compete, but wins an overwhelming election in her own right in 2010 and in 2012.
And the idea of Randi Weingarten as Senator from New York is simply not legitimate. While Weingarten is smart and savvy, she is foremost an activist and does not have the temperment, or in all likelihood the interpersonal skills, to be an effective Senator.
MzLibertee
hey HK Guy…i’m down with you. McCarthy basically has given her life to the U.S. House of Representatives after she lost her husband in an heroic act of attempting to stop the crazed Colin Ferguson. Seems like hard work doesn’t get rewarded. and that goes for Randi W’s non-appointment as well. ….ps, i’m a HK Girl. 42/9. where are you? : ) MzLib
MzLibertee
hey HK Guy…i’m down with you. McCarthy basically has given her life to the U.S. House of Representatives after she lost her husband in an heroic act of attempting to stop the crazed Colin Ferguson. Seems like hard work doesn’t get rewarded. and that goes for Randi W’s non-appointment as well. ….ps, i’m a HK Girl. 4/10. where are you? : ) MzLib
LadyofGod
Can someone please tell me the benefit of giving someone a powerful position based on their sexual proclivities??? This attitude that New York is “behind the times” because they won’t support gay marriage is a load of crap. New Yorkers are smart enough to know that gay marriage is an abomination to God and that no amount of writing by newspapers editors, politicians and gay rights groups will change that. We are in the middle of a recession, people are losing their jobs and their homes and yet somehow, gay marriage is the only thing we hear about in the press. If Patterson wants to have gay marriage, then let his kids do it but don’t inflict this on everyday people who know better. And where the heck is the CDC and the New York Department of Health? You mean to tell me that men marrying men poses no health issues? Everyone is intimindated by the gay community. They were able in the 1970’s to get homosexuality taken out as a medical diagnosis, not because of new information but because of a vicious hate campaign against the psychiatrists. People who donated to Proposition 8 were villified and some lost their jobs. A church in the midwest had it’s services disrupted by gays flinging condoms and kissing each other. Gays have a ridiculous sense of entitlement. I guess when little boys come home wanting to have gay weddings with their little friends, then maybe parents and the clergy will do something about this mess.
CarrieOakie
Dear LadyofGod
I totally agree! Everyday we are bombarded with hearing how we need to get on board and support the homosexual marriage juggernaut that is taking over America. Since when are gays entitled to all these rights, just because they are gay? There was a so called gay pride parade here and the behavior was shocking! Men kissing and pawing each other in full view of children! And that group Nambla one time marched down the steets here with signs that said “We’re here, we’re queer and we’re coming to get your sons! As far as I’m concerned, no decent society would even consider homosexual marriage and it is an indication as to how far we’ve fallen.
Souliam
Wow, I am so glad to finally see some write with common sense on the gay marriage issue. I am totally insulted by constantly hearing about how New Yorkers are living in the Dark Ages because they won’t support gay marriage. I am so happy that so many thousands of people showed their support by coming out and speaking against it. The press and the news media is incredibly biased and all you ever hear is how is’t going to happen, no matter what. BULL I say.If people think that they can do what they want to do, regardless of what God wants, they better think again. They have discovered the site where Sodom and Gomorrah was and it is astounding and it proves that they were destroyed exactly the way the Bible said it was. If you look at a satellite photo of the region, it shows two white dots on the map, evidence of the incredible amount of ash covering it. Also, brimstone is embedded in all the buildings and there is evidence of severe heat and melting. People better wake up and realize that we could end up the same way.
InExile
SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE is the foundation of our nation. Get a grip!
Souliam
Seperation of church and state does not give you a blank moral check to do whatever you want. There are limits and gay marriage is outside the limit no matter what. Not only did God say that it was an abomination to Him, He also attached a death sentence to it and say what you want but everytime a gay person dies, it’s almost always the same disease, AIDS. If any other group, no matter who they were, all died of the same disease, you would have to look at their lifestyle and question why. In some ways, I am glad this issue is coming up because now people are going to see that this is a much bigger issue than was thought. There are only two sides to this issue. You are either on God’s side or the other side. He made his position on this subject crystal clear and no amount of hate tactics and name calling is going to change that.
InExile
@Souliam: Funny how those of you who walk with Satan try to preach your twisted hatred. When you look at a person you can tell if they are evil or have the light inside them. Your words show the darkness of Satan within your soul. Satan uses people to trick others by claiming they walk with God just because they belong to a church who also walks with Satan when if fact they do not.
I am not fooled by you.
Souliam
What exactly is my twisted hated? Does not the Bible in Leviticus 18:22 say that it is an abomination for a man to lay with a man? Or am I wrong? The real problem is people like you who think if they call you a homophobe, you are going to run and hide and forget the word of God. So, based on the fact that you are telling me that I should disregard the word of God, I would say that you are the one walking with Satan.
InExile
@Souliam: I walk with the light, I do not judge others as God is the only judge. You by judging others are pretending to be God which is Satan’s oldest trick. Once again, I am not fooled by you. Your darkness is empty and hollow. I suggest you try to forgive others and try not to be the judge because there is only one judge and it is not you.
Souliam
You keep talking about God and yet you encourage others to ignore His law, which states and I quote again, It is an abomination for a man to lay with a man. I am not the judge, God is, and that means keeping His word. You keep saying you are not fooled. Who is trying to fool you? The fact is God did not condone homosexuality and all your talk about walking in the light is irrelevant to the point. You cannot ignore the word of God and thank Heaven, neither will thousands of New Yorkers. I would say that calling God’s name but yet not following His word makes you more like Satan than me. I am standing on the word while you on the other hand are trying to deflect from the facts by calling me Satan. Only Satan would work so hard to promote something that God has forbidden.
InExile
@Souliam: God lives in each and every one of us. By hating your fellow man you are hating God. By judging your fellow man you are judging God. God teaches to love thy neighbor as thy love thy self, you are not showing love to your neighbor. God teaches to do on to others as you would like others to do on to you. By perpetuating hate, you are doing the work of your master Satan. Once again, you can mask your intentions in scripture oh righteous one, but those of us who walk with the light each day of our life are not fooled by you. Your actions are not God like, God is a God of love not hate. God created each and every one of us so by hating your fellow man and working for his destruction you are working against the light. You cannot harm those of us who walk with the light, you can only harm yourself. I hope you can discover the true light in your journey on this earth, I truly do. For one day you will come face to face with the only judge and he will wonder why you failed to love your fellow man and by failing to love you neighbor, failed to love yourself.
Souliam
You keep skirting the most important issue here and that is God does not want men to lay with men. You keep going on and on about things that are not relevant to the issue. I am standing on what God has said. He is the one who said homosexuality is an abomination, He is the one who said that if you practiced it, you would have blood on your hands, so all this talk about me not being of God and not walking in the light is not the issue and you keep dancing around that one important point. I am standing on the word of God. What are you standing on? God did not at any time preach tolerance for homosexuality, it was a terrible thing to Him, so if you are criticizing my position on it, then you are criticizing His position on it because they are one and the same. All this talk about Satan makes no sense on the context of this debate. You are the one masking your intentions by attempting to not address the real issue here which is that, and I will say it one more time, GOD SAID THAT IT IS AN ABOMINATION TO HIM FOR A MAN TO LAY WITH A MAN.
Robert, NYC
@Souliam:
Souliam, there is NO proof that your god actually made that quote in Leviticus. Why don’t you consult the following site for proof that fundamentalist fuckwits like you deliberately select verses to suit their agenda but conveniently ignore other damning verses, an indictment of straight behavior. Check it out, pal.
http://www.fallwell.com
schlukitz
@Souliam:
“GOD SAID THAT IT IS AN ABOMINATION TO HIM FOR A MAN TO LAY WITH A MAN.”
And all you have to “prove” that with, is your faith and conviction that this moldy, mildewed document (da bible) is the word of god. And, of that, you have no empiracal truth. Just faith, booby.
You cant prove that God exists or wrote the bible anymore than I can prove that he doesn’t and didn’t. It’s a Mexican stand-off, as the old expression goes.
Oh, and btw…we’d appreciate if if you didn’t shout at us. At least show a little respect, if you are so godly like. Or did god tell you it’s also ok to be rude to people while you insult and comdemn them, as well as lie, cheat and steal the rights of LGBT people away from them?
You and your kind are the abominations, not those of us who have never lifted a finger to harm a hair on your straight, bigoted, hateful and homophobic heads. you simply hate, because you have invented and given yourselves a license to do so. That’s cheating!
Learn to live and let live. Oh…and minding your own business is another piece of advice we can give you for free. If you don’t agree with what LGBT people, speaking on their own turf among themselves have to say, but straight-friendly and accepting of straights who are supportive us us, then don’t let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.
As an atheist, as well as a gay man, I do not make it a practice to go to your church on Sunday for the purpose of insulting the worshippers and creating an uproar amongst the parishioners. If ou want to practice insanity, please feel free to do so in your own space, not ours.
Remember, you are a guest here. Act accordingly or we will request that the editors have you banned for not abiding by posting rules.
RichardR
@Souliam: While I’m reluctant to engage in troll feeding, it just must be said — your religious beliefs are utterly irrelevant in this context. Holler and shout in your church or on a street corner, if you must. The bible is a collection of myths and here and there, some wonderful literature, and you and your fundamentalist ilk are delusional.
schlukitz
@Robert, NYC:
Excellent site, Robert. Most enlightening. Thank you for sharing it with us.
Souliam
As usual, any time someone doesn’t agree with the gay community, they are called all kinds of names and subjected to hateful put downs. As it happens, there are many ways to test the validity of the Bible but that means that you would have to read it. I am not going to accept your lifestyle just because you want it to happen. God, yes God, said it is an abomination and no matter how many names you call me or how many insulting remarks you make, the truth is what it is. And for your information, I don’t get my ideas from church. Most churches teach a mixture of the bible and their own particular doctrine and mix it all up until people are confused. Catholics teach you that divorce is a sin against God, but the bible says that if your marriage is unclean, you can get a divorce. Jews teach that Jesus was not the Messiah, but Jesus revealed himself as the Messiah to the woman at the well. Muslims teach that if you die a martyr, you will get 72 virgins when you die but has anyone come back to confirm that? Just because you have no faith and no belief, don’t make the mistake of thinking that it invalidates God’s law. He said that it was an abomination for men to lay with men. Period. God also said that when we see a poor man, we should help him until he is no longer poor, He said that we should be released from debts after 7 years, He said that we should not be tenants upon the land, paying these exorbitant rents and that’s why He gave the land to man but man with his greedy self has perverted the law and made it a cash cow. All of God’s laws were for the good of man, not to oppress him. Calling people homophobes and bigots because they stand on the word of God is your problem, not theirs. Make no mistake, gay marriage will not pass in New York because the people of God have cried out. It’s only the Democrats that are pushing it and you see what has happened to them. What kind of world would we have if everyone was homosexual? Test tube babies and clones, hardly what God had in mine when He said be fruitful and multiply. God created the homosexual person just like He created me but He had laws and standards that He expected to be met and homosexuality is not what He wants. Killing the messenger does not kill the message.
InExile
@Souliam: Here you are back again playing the judge from your place of darkness, hatred, and lust for power. Trying to inflict and force your beliefs on others who have done nothing to harm you. We however are not fooled by you for we as a community walk with the light while you and people like you lay with the beast. The beast knows how to play the game and it is usually by deception and manipulation which you seem to have mastered well. You can keep spewing your hatred and dig the hole deeper for yourself with each hateful word you use, for the judge, the one and only judge is watching you. Those of us who walk with the light can only feel sorry for you to have a soul so full of darkness and hatred that you are willing to go out of your way to hurt you neighbor. Once again, I am not fooled by you, you wear the sign of the beast.
schlukitz
@Souliam:
Who gives a good flying fuck what YOU think? You waltz in here uninvited, lay your judgements and hatred for queers on a queer site, back it up with your sky daddy and then take issue with us for calling you a bigot and a homophobe???
You deserve all the abuse you are getting when you come in and lay stink bombs on us and run around in circles spouting the same old shit.
Get lost. We don’t need you to save our souls.
Worry about you own god-damned soul, you asshole. There. Now you’ve been called a name you can get yourself into a real hissy snit-fit about.
schlukitz
@schlukitz:
And you can take you message and wipe your shitty ass with it as well.
Souliam
InExile
Can you please give me a solid answer? You keep talking about walking in the light. What exactly do you mean by that? If you accept that God is in charge and you have indicated that you do, then you must also accept His laws. You cannot say I believe in God but not in His law. I am not espousing anything other than the word of God, which isn’t going to change just because you don’t like it. The gay community gets angry at people who try to tell them not to be that way, well, I have the right to be angry that the politicians and the gay activists are trying to force their lifestyle down my throat. After proposition 8 passed, the only hatred and bigotry I saw was on the side of the gay community. They went around trying to destroy anyone who participated in getting it passed, they harassed an elderly woman for exercising her right to speak out, just like they were exercising their right to speak for it, some people were beaten up by gays for passing out literature, so really who are the haters here? On my job, a very nice lady was persecuted out of her job by a vicious gay man in the office. She was very nice to him and she accepted him as a human being, but no, that was not enough for him, he wanted to force her to renounce her Christian beliefs and accept his homosexuality and what he does in his bedroom, which frankly, has no place in the office. It should have been enough that she treated him with decency and kindness. I have seen time and time again how the gay community bashes anyone who doesn’t accept their lifestyle and I say enough is enough. You can accuse me of anything you want but at the end of the day, I stand on the word of God.
Robert, NYC
@schlukitz:
You’re most welcome. Notice how Souliam avoids the damning references in his book of fables when it refers to straights and how the majority of them do NOT live by scripture at all, Sanford being the latest statistic? Souliam deliberately avoids addressing each and every one of those damning references that would put him and his kind in a very uncomfortable, untenable position. One very dishonest religious wacko I challenged, even though he believed in the Leviticus quote to justify discrimination and hatred towards us, conveniently discarded the old testament except for that one verse maintaining that the old testament from which most of the http://www.fallwell.com references are cited, was the jewish part of the bible and therefore not relevant to christians or the new testament. Amazing isn’t it? They’re nothing but a bunch of charlatans, cultists of the worst kind, liars, hypocrites and bigots, in other words, mentally ill people.
InExile
@Souliam: Touching stories to justify your bigotry and hatred, nice try. Once again you play the judge, judging all gay people by the actions of one. Have you ever wondered how the gay person in your office was made to feel by someone displaying their open hatred towards him? No, I guess you did not put yourself in his shoes. It was probably not the first time he encountered hatred, most gay people have experienced it often. Imagine what it must have been like for that man in your office to find out the voters of California supported apartheid against him and his community.
Our country was founded on the foundation of separation of church and state. By trying to bring your personal religious beliefs into politics, you endanger your churches tax exempt status. Once your church takes positions on maters pertaining to government it becomes a political organization. Keep your personal religious beliefs to yourself, this was the intent of our founders.
Your God is not my God, for my God comes from a place of love. And yes, I do walk with the light and always have.
Robert, NYC
@killdemfaggots:
Woah…yet another fucking redneck breeder, probably an ugly pathetic case that can’t get it up let alone get a date with a woman. Amazing how you guys selectively seek out a gay blogsite, wrestling with your gay demons perhaps? Take your venom and hatred with a large cup of STFU, drop dead! You’re a loser, the dregs of society.
schlukitz
@Robert, NYC:
Why is Queerty allowing this abuse of gay posters who ARE abiding by the posting rules?
Str8 faggot haters like killdemfaggots, who I flagged for his way over the top comment, to Solium and DuttyBarb who are using these blogs room to play bully pulpit with us can come on these threads and have a field day with us, but we gays get banned for trying to protect ourselves from these vipers?
Something smells rotten in Denmark!
Robert, NYC
@schlukitz:
Someone once suggested that perhaps Queerty encourages the straight and closeted bigots (wannabe ex-gays) to come in here and agitate. Other blogsites block the haters. They say that the more hits they get, the more money they make, but I can’t quite figure that one out. Of all the blogsites I’ve visited, Queerty is the only one that permits hate and denigration of our people and it does make you question….why? It also implies that Queerty gives the haters a platform in the name of free speech. I suspect that if it continues allowing this kind of behavior, it will lose or alienate a lot of us from coming here, one of the m.o.’s of the agitators that would appear to be aided and abetted by Queerty through its tacit support and inaction to banish them. Its already getting a bad reputation on other sites, obviously former visitors to this one. I may just follow suit if I see more of this and will make sure that I inform friends to do the same. I and others came to this site not expecting to be insulted, denigrated, dehumanized by religious wackos. Queerty has no problem with that obviously.
UpTheHinneyHole
was the jewish part of the bible and therefore not relevant to christians or the new testament.
God gave the law to the Jews originally but eventually Paul and the disciples gave it to Christians as well. God foretold that He would have a son, that son is Jesus. Jesus’s followers were called Christians because they followed Christ. But, the Jews at that time were being heavily persecuted, so the Christians moved away from the law because they wanted to follow Christ but not be presecuted for being Jewish or following Jewish customs. Whenever anyone asked Jesus what they needed to do to be saved, he recited the law to them, and one of the laws was that men do not screw other men, much less marry them.
You claim to have a relationship with God, very good, but having a relationship with God means you have to get to know Him and study His word and His law, otherwise you will make the grave mistake of thinking that He tolerates any and everything. Far from it. You mentioned to Souliam about why he/she did not discuss the other laws and it makes her/his point about deflecting from the point. Laws concerning straights were
strict too. In the old days, if a man was a homosexual,he was put to death, which is what the Bible teaches. But a man was also put to death if he committed adultery and that’s not what the subject is here as I see it. And to the person whose walking in the light, it sounds like you love God. Good. But loving Him is not enough. He requires obedience or He promised tribulation. The strange thing is, I bet most gays don’t even want gay marriage but they feel they have to support it or lose ground. There should be no laws to help men go up each other’s buttcrack.
Souliam
Did you even bother to read what I said? The gay guy in the office was treated with respect and kindness not open hatred. But because a very nice lady did not applaud his lifestyle, she was the one treated with open hatred. She was very dignified about it but he tortured her every day with nasty comments and vicious remarks. Had he just allowed himself to be treated kindly and with respect, which he was, things would have gone well but he had to try and force his lifestyle down her throat and everyone’s else’s for that matter and it ended in tragedy. Gay marriage is not right, it’s not healthy and it’s not safe and as a matter of fact, I just heard a rumor that the NYC Department of Health is about to issue an advisory against gay marriage and rightly so.
strumpetwindsock
@Robert, NYC:
Funny, it’s not the religious wackos I find most offensive, but they are tiresome.
@UpTheHinneyHole:
Mostly because they don’t even understand what’s in their own book.
I hardly know where to start with this guy.
As for writing off the old testament, turn to Matthew 5:17, 18
Jesus said nothing about homosexuality, and the only scripture in which I recall him speaking about a death sentence is when he said whomever was without sin should cast the first stone. You might remember that one.
If you are at all familiar with the gospels you should know that Jesus spent a lot of his time confounding pharisees who tried to trip him up on the law. His main message was that we need to think beyond it and put people first.
That includes treating people respectfully, which I don’t think includes reducing peoples’ identity to “taking it up the buttcrack”.
You bring more shame on yourself than you do on us, buddy.
UpTheHinneyHole
Jesus did not specifically speak on many laws because as I said, whenever anyone asked how to get saved, he recited the law, meaning that he recited the old testament law because that was the only law. Many seem to think that the new testament invalidates the old testament but it doesn’t. One is a bridge on to the other. God foretold the birth of His son in the old testament. Jesus was that son and he added love to the old testament but as he said, he did not come to destroy the law. And the law said that men had to stay out of each others butthole.
strumpetwindsock
@UpTheHinneyHole:
You know I don’t recall Leviticus writing anything about buttholes, but you seem pretty focused on it, Mr Hiney Hole.
So sucking cock is okay?
But back to your book, Jesus never actually recited the law, except to raise peoples’ consciousness beyond it (in Luke 10:25, for example) He taught in parables.
And you’re the one who said the “jewish part” of the bible was not relevant to Christians. What do you think Jesus was?
InExile
@Souliam: Your hate will only lead you to one place, the lake of fire! It is disgusting that you go out of your way to try to destroy other people’s lives out of ignorance. The fact is, you have no idea WHO wrote your Bible and you do not care for it is your vehicle to live your life with a heart filled with hate. Instead of blaming others for your sad life, maybe you should take a look in the mirror.
Always walking with the light is my secret to happiness.
schlukitz
@strumpetwindsock:
Why do you think he calls himself Hiney Hole? LOL
UPTHEHINNEYHOLE
And you’re the one who said the “jewish part” of the bible was not relevant to Christians. What do you think Jesus was?
No, it was strumpetwindsock who said that. Read.
KILLDEMFAGGOTS
GREAT NEWS!
They now have enough signatures to put same sex marriage to a vote in Maine and we all know what happens when the people have a chance to vote instead of politicians who are in the pockets of those rich gay groups who probably made their money bending over.
YES!!!!!!!!!!!
KILLDEMFAGGOTS
Hey InExile
Where is this light you keep speaking about? Do you mean the light you turn on after taking it up the heshey highway because you can’t stand to see what you’re doing??????
Robert, NYC
@UpTheHinneyHole:
You moronic, redneck breeder. Straight women take it up the hiney hole, go check all your straight hardcore porn, pal. You seem to obsessed with it and our sex lives, otherwise you wouldn’t be here, obviously not getting any, too damned ugly and incapable I dare say.
Robert, NYC
@KILLDEMFAGGOTS:
We better KILLDEMREDNECK BREEDERS like you too, pal! You seem to be spending an awful lot of time here, what’s the matter, can’t get a date with a woman, or better yet, can’t get it up because you’re so damned ugly and incapable? No straight male in his right mind would be trolling gay blogsites as you frequently do. You’re a loser and your bunch of ignoramuses is losing the cultural war, the more you rant and spew your hate, the less credible you become, in fact, extemely risible. Go play with your ever so little wiener, excessively!
InExile
@KILLDEMFAGGOTS: If you met me in person you would shut your fuc***g mouth, I promise you that! You would run away like a little school girl crying! No one has every dared to screw with me buddy.
schlukitz
@InExile:
And there you have it, good buddy.
Some obnoxious little homophobic punk, hiding behind the obscurity and protection of his computer screen and taking rabbit punches at people he does not even know, while he diddles himself, no doubt.
I, for one, would gladly give the last dollar bill left in my pocket to see you drive this little fuckers teeth so far down his throat, that his asshole would be clattering!
Despite the fact that the more obnoxious of his posts, as if his very screen name was not offensive enough as it is, has been flagged on numerous occasions, they still remain on this thread.
I may very well get banned for saying this, but if Queerty allows this sort of blatant bigotry, hatred and discrimination against LGBT people, on what by it’s very name is purported to be a safe haven for LBGT people…and in violation of it’s own posting rules to boot, then I guess they would not have any problem with someone posting anti-black screeds while using the offensive screen name of KILLDEMNI–ERS? I mean, WTF?
As a paid, premium member of Gay.com as well as a reader and blogger on Towelroad, Citizen Crain, Joe.MyGod, to name but a few, I cannot, for the life of me, understand why Queerty supports this sort of vulgar, disgusting and dehumanizing behavior of certain posters on this site, by it’s silence?
Frankly, I do not see much difference between the silence of Queerty and Obama.
Both are are sins of omission!
Just sayin’.
InExile
@schlukitz: I just do not get people like this? I remember one guy around 225 lbs,, punched me in the face, I did not feel it. Next I knew he was out cold with one punch. Funny how the aggressive types hide behind a keyboard to type their bullshit but you never meet these people in person unless you weigh 100 lbs and are 4 feet tall, easy targets I guess because they are cowards.
Just this guys screen name should be enough to be banned without his bullsh^^ !
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