@Cicero: I did read your statements re: marriage rights vs. marriage in name. Frankly, the world would be a lot better off if more religious folks thought similarly. The problem is that you (or anti-marriage bigots) do not have a single good reason for being so hung up on the semantics of the situation. Truth be told, I think the majority of anti-marriage bigots only use the semantic argument in a lame attempt to disguise their glaring prejudice. No one like to be called a bigot, after all…especially if they are one, it seems.
“However, Mormons were the only group in America to have an extermination order levied against them.”
I think the Native Americans might beg to differ with you on that, but that’s beside the point. Do you honestly expect me or anyone to swallow that kind of hogwash? Do you honestly think that because some vicious nutjob with a dab of power back in the day decided to put a bounty on the heads of a new, disruptive, and frightening cult that means you have any idea what oppression feels like? Color me skeptical at the very least.
The fact of the matter is that, as far as issues like equality go, mormons are in lock step with the religious majority in this nation. If modern day mormons had any clue what oppression felt like, they’d think twice before trying to pay that shit forward.
Or maybe not. Seems like everyone likes to have a smaller dog to kick around. Human nature…it’s a bitch.
“And by the way, I do think Mormons (and everyone in general) can do a better job at reaching out to the LGBT community and trying to understand. But don’t you think it needs to go both ways?”
Nope. Oppressors asking for understanding is like multinational corporations asking for donations: they don’t need it. Here’s what we (the LGBT community) need to understand about the mormons:
1. They hate the fact that we exist.
2. They have an established record of spending time and money to ensure that we eternally remain second class citizens.
3. If not for mormon involvement and lies, Prop H8 probably wouldn’t have passed.
If the mormon church was actually interested in some sort of common ground or reconciliation, it really wouldn’t take a whole lot to get that ball rolling.
1. Apologize for being evil and hateful toward us.
2. Start working to help us gain equality, rather than spouting empty words and turning their back on any chances to do something worthwhile for the GLBT community.
They had their chance to back up their words with action when the Common Grounds intiative was in the works. They did nothing, which tells us that their spineless blather about “loving homosexuals” or whatever that garbage was, was lies.
As far as individual mormons who disagree with the church’s stance on GLBT issues? Speaking for myself…put up or shut up. Unless they’re quitting the church, changing the church, or speaking out publicly against the church’s involvement in this heinous, un-American event, I don’t care what they have to say. Talk is easy, but it means jack to me. I want to see action. Anything less is lip service, quiet assent to the status quo.
If you stop and think about it, mormons and jehovah’s witnesses are just about equally nutty. The big difference between them it that the JW’s make a point of not getting involved in politics. Why do you think you don’t read innumerable rants against them on LGBT websites? Maybe the mormons could take a page from their playbook.
If you stand in the way of progress, you are the enemy. If you actively fight against progress, you are something much worse. Anyone who fights against the rights of my people to be treated like human beings deserves nothing but pain and heartache for the rest of their days. If we cannot be rid of them entirely, then I say let them suffer so much we need to change the definition.
Sorry, does that mean I’m a bigot? I guess I am.
I’m bigoted against bigots. There’s one to wrap your head around.