The National Organabortion for Marriage has gotten former New York Giant wide receiver David Tyree to speak out against marriage equality because it will lead to anarchy… or something. But why did NOM initially mention that the video who had been picked up to a TMZ page mocking Tyree for having the same position that bigots once used to oppose interracial marriage?
And the kicker, Tyree — who’s black — says, “How can marriage be marriage for thousands of years and now all the sudden because a minority, an influential minority, has a push or agenda … and totally reshapes something that was not founded in our country.”
FYI — Tyree’s statement comes almost 44 years to the day after interracial marriage was legalized in the United States … thanks, in part, to the agenda of an influential minority.
Oh LOLZ.
Hector
I hate it when homophobic assholes are hot.
Tyler
@Hector – This homophobic asshole is TOTALLY hot. Hate it hate it hate it. He’s even hotter when you turn the volume off.
Drew H.
I@Hector: I wish I knew the answer to that question. It has always baffled me how some people fail (or refuse) to see the correlation between the two movements. No matter how small the similarities they are there.
Ruhlmann
Does god really give a flying fuck who wins the game?
christopher di spirito
David Tyree is an idiot.
As for him being “hot” that’s how Republican Scott Brown became the newest senator from Massachusetts. Too many gay men voted for him because he looks good. Not very smart.
gregger
@christopher di spirito: Actually Scott Brown won because his first opponent ran a negligible campaign as if she had already won the seat. People in the western part of MA were disgusted with her. Brown won basically through default.
Elloreigh
My favorite bit of irony: “not political”. WTF? You’re doing a video for a political organization! How can that not be political?
GayFilmmaker
If David Tyree believes in traditional values so much, would he be willing to give up all his rights and be a slave? That was an American tradition, too.
christoball13
Why on earth does it matter if a person is “hot” or not? How is that relevant to anything are you that shallow? He is a hypocrite, U grantee he believes in interracial marriage. NOMA is competing against all the pro gay marriage PSAs that sports people have done.
Shannon1981
The man is a moron, and this is quite possibly the most foolish anti- marriage equality video to date, and, considering the shit that has come out of the NOM camp, that is saying something….
TheRealAdam
That black Americans are now at the forefront in trying to deny civil equality to fellow citizens is just too, too much.
I love it.
So will history.
Adman
“Why Would NOM Embarrass Anti-Marriage NFL Player David Tyree?”
Because NOM and especially Maggie Gallagher are entranced with the notion of easing up into that hetero masculine tough guy ass real slow? Like most of the users here watching this? Don’t think for a minute Maggie misplaced her strap-on, you’d be very mistaken.
James
I don’t think black people are in the forefront on NOM but I think they want to show just how diverse their organization is.Gay organizations should do the same.
Sebastian
“I have a dream that one day this nation will rise up and live out the true meaning of its creed: “We hold these truths to be self-evident, that ALL MEN ARE CREATED EQUAL.” Martin Luther King jr (part of his speech)
Take tha David Tyree, NOM and all you biggotted homphobic vile ….well you know who you are!
Adrian Acosta
this guy is right, marriage has been the same for thousands of years. so let’s go back to a time where black men like himself were not allowed to marry white women. heck, why not go back to when men like himself were slaves in America – ya know, since slavery seems to be ok in the Bible and all. If we did go back then he wouldn’t be in this video now would he? I mean we gays, can go in the closet but he can’t hide his black skin.
Really dude? Do you hear the things that are coming out of YOUR mouth?
manfred
This person has a history of mental illness, and NOM is disgusting for putting him and his obvious lack of awareness in full view of the public. As for being “hot”, I feel very sorry for anyone who actually thinks that.
ChrisC
This guy is such a dumb fuck. This video is going to follow him for the rest of his life. And when the day comes where he realizes that he’s wrong, he’s going to curse the day he made this video. Congratulations David, you’ll forever be remembered as a bigot.
Dr. Dick
@TheRealAdam: Irony is always bittersweet lol, but for the record, im one black american NOT trying to stop equality, and neither are my imidiate family or my other queer black friends…
@Adrian Acosta: grrl we live in sf, dont you know how bass-ackwards people are?!? Logic is lost on the faithful. And historically, belief in Jesus got us through some hard times, but now JC is being wielded like a sledge hammer. Whatevs, Im tired of explaining the flaws in black culture, im gonna go ahead and blame the Big Book o Lies. I apologize if this offends anyone, but seriously. Monotheistic religions are responsible for ALL evil in my eyes…..
Jason
@TheRealAdam
people like you need to stop saying that blacks are at the “forefront” of taking away rights from gays! haven’t you ever heard of Fred Phelps or even the founder of NOM Brian S. Brom. People like you aren’t attacking the real issue, how to fight for gay rights but instead finding someone to blame. You have no valid argument to say it’s just blacks who have led to this homophobia problem in America. There are just as many (or even more) bible thumping whites who have just as much irrational hatred towards gays just as MANY but not the majority (because how can you even prove that?). Picking and choosing who we want to blame does not solve a solution but rather we are putting ourselves in a place where we are just as judgmental as the homophobes who judge and hate us.
Michael
The guys not bad looking at all but Chris and christoball make excellent points.Who gives a shit if ANY of these braindead dumbasses are good looking the fact still remains these bigoted little pricks are purposely and heartlessly trying to trample on our rights every single day in this country.
Not to mention looks fade and just like this guys brain cells that… hmm never mind was gonna say his brain cells faded a long time ago.But people like him NEVER HAD ANY TO BEGIN WITH! lol
I hope you dont have children David you are a despicable person another hypocrite who uses religion and distorts it into something hateful bigoted and vile. People like you are the ones INDOCTRINATING your own damn children teaching a child to hate and discriminate is NOT a parent its a hatemongerer and a lunatic.
Michael
@Jason:
OMG you took the words right out of my mouth absolutely loved what you wrote.Its comments like that that remind me that there are OTHERS in this community not just me who have saw discrimination against our OWN kind and our own community.
Its disgusting that there are even some people from this community who are racist bigoted and ignorant.
The fact that anyone in this community is discriminating against their own community to begin with whether thats based on their looks their race skin color creed nationality and so on is pathetic in and of itself and hypocritical on a MASSIVE level also.
TheRealAdam
@Jason: Well, I’m glad you got that off your wee little chest. Cheers.
TheRealAdam
@Dr. Dick: I wasn’t trying to say that all blacks were against gays, so I apologize if it came across that way.
KevinC
Damn he is hot!!! But still a bigot.
Rainfish
This hypocritical fool is a disgusting homophobic bigot. He is a tool being used by pseudo-christian right-wing haters in a desperate attempt to destroy same-sex marriage equality in New York. Since he is a convicted druggie and a drunk with two children born out of wedlock, this has-been fame-whore now thinks that he is “god’s” appointed champion of false-morality put on Earth to oppress another oppressed minority in the form of the tens of millions of LGBT citizens in the USA. What a vile excuse for a human being he is!
From SportsbyBrooks:
“The New York Giants receiver was arrested in 2004 after police found half a pound of marijuana in his car. The arrest was the culmination of a childhood spent getting high & drunk – often with his own family.
Tyree said his mother would often be smoking pot right along with him: “She would rather us be at home, acting the complete fool under her watch, than out on the streets, doing the same things and finding trouble that was definitely waiting for us. My house was a free-for-all.”
As the NYT stated about Tyree, “By his junior year at Montclair High School, he celebrated the same way after every football game — drinking a 40-ounce bottle of malt liquor and a half-pint of Jack Daniel’s whiskey, and smoking a blunt.”
And the fun didn’t stop when he played for Syracuse: “Tyree often drank until he blacked out. One morning, he woke up naked. Another morning, he woke up covered in mud. Each time, he could not remember why.” ”
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Hmmmm…gotta love those “christian family values”. …Yep, gotta love ’em.
delurker
@TheRealAdam: no, you moron. the conservative whites are and will at the forefront of being against gay rights.
delurker
did i mention you are a moron, therealadam? i think it bears repeating.
Adman
@Michael: Yay, for Jason, huh? He’s a known racist, misogynist, and provocateur who has trolled this site forever. You are cleary his plaything now, so I ask you, please don’t do anything else to give the little quisling a hardon, OK? When someone tells you what you want to hear you need to formulate a relevant rejoinder of your own, because empty headed fawning makes you look stupid. Just FYI.
Jeffree
@Adman: actually, I think that’s a different Jason. The one you mentioned uses a small “j” on his name, & writes differently. In addition to hating women small-j has a distaste for POCs of all kinds.
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In the NOM emails released by their former employee Louis M., Maggie was shown to be looking for photos of “minorities” to use in brochures etc.
So, it wouldn’t surprise me if she does the same thing for the vids, so she can show Black & Brown people agree with her/ NOM that marriage equality is distasteful for *everyone* of any ethnicity!
TheRealAdam
@delurker: I think it also bears repeating that CVS called and your prescriptions are ready for pick up.
delurker
@TheRealAdam: hey moron, i’ll pick your valtrex prescription while i’m there.
do you stand by your ridiculous assertion that blacks are at the forefront of the antigay movement when groups like NOM, AFA, Focus on the Family, FRC, Moral Majority, Pat Robertson’s sect etc. are primarily run and made up of white consevatives. do you care to modify that statement at all?
ewe
Now remember everybody. No one is allowed to bring up his race as an example of what a minortity crucifying another minority resembles unless you share that status because that would be politically incorrect as this nigger scorns you for who you are with his twisted delusional gODD concepts. Because as we all know there are double standards when it comes to black evangelicals.
ewe
Oh excuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuzzzzzzzzze me. The word “this” actually is directed at David Tyree and not all people of color if “you” can possibly grasp that concept that addressing the shit head who is persecuting you is fair game.
ewe
Open the gates baby. Who is hosting this party anyway? DAVID TYREE!!! That’s who. Don’t blame the guests.
ewe
Because gODD told me all of this twenty three thousand years ago so i know.
delurker
@ewe: yeah, thanks for the clarification. that definitely makes it better. i think some gays on this site get off on threads like this. hey, where else can you say “nigger” with impunity? i bet you spooged after you wrote that.
i’ll just pat your widdle head and leave it at that.
ewe
I mean 6999 years ago. Silly me. How could i forget. It’s written in the stars as well as my stone tablets i found on the hill outside my door.
ewe
oh looky looky. I see the face of jesus on my styrofoam coffee cup. KNEEL in submission. All of you.
ewe
@delurker: You are self hating faggot. Fuck you. What you are really saying is that since David Tyree is an ignorant fuckin skank it’s understandable what he says so i am going to thank you for knowing full well i am just putting that bitch in his place when i use the same fucking tactics. Fuck you again. You are an asshole. May i suggest you set up an afternoon tea next time you meet with the Taliban? See where it gets you. You are revictimizing the victims of David Tyrees delusional wrath. Shame on YOU ASSHOLE.
ewe
Someone should take that corpse off his cross and bang him over the head with it.
ewe
Now everybody remember to keep everything above board and your held up high. You are not allowed to sink to his level. You must be the elevated truly spiritual one and you are not allowed to insult anyone that calls you UNNATURAL. Just so you all know. In other words, bend over as usual.
jason
I’ve always said that black people can be the most homophobic, bigoted people on the planet. Of course, black people can be the most gay-friendly, non-bigoted people on the planet too. My point is that we need to be wary of anyone and everyone who is bigoted and homophobic, and not allow racial correctness to prevent us from criticizing someone because he happens to be black.
This unwillingness to criticize the homophobia and bigotry of black people is going to be our undoing. In order to prevent this happening, we need to be fearless and factual. If a black person is a homophobe and a bigot, don’t allow their blackness to prevent you criticizing them.
Justin
NOM Is really scraping the bottom of the barrel when we end up with everyone from Uma Thurman to George Bush’s freaking daughter and they end up David Tyree. Who’s their next “celebrity”? Larry the Cable Guy’s neighbor’s sister?
ewe
@delurker: And there are oh so very many places you can still say “faggot” but that doesn’t count with your antigay pro David Tyree( don’t mention his minority status to push his buttons and remind him he was once 3/5ths of a human being according to his gODD) tirade.
ewe
@jason: you said it. All is fair in love and war.
delurker
@ewe: eh, you just like saying nigger and a black homophone gives you the license to say what you are always feeling. it’s just like the aftermath of the prop 8 vote. some gays felt at liberty to finally express the racism they bottled up inside. then, they could’ve put up a veneer of justification. hey, blacks are homophobes so i can be racist! yay!
get your racism on. don’t mind me.
delurker
@ewe: you are so deluded. i never defended him. funny how decrying racism=defending Tyree. i think you’ve taken too many club drugs. alas, that damage is permanent. :/
jason
You only have to look at black music to see how homophobic black culture can be. From rap to hip-hop to dance music, it’s a hotbed of homophobia. It’s absolutely amazing that we’ve allowed this homophobia to go unchallenged. We’ve been let down by the gay media, a media which is politically correct and which doesn’t wish to hurt the feelings of fellow members of the coalition of the disparate – ie Democratic Party voters.
At the same time, I should stress that I am the most black-friendly person out there. I treat black people in exactly the same way I treat white people. I criticize them when they deserve it, I praise them when they deserve it. I support black civil rights and would never dream of discriminating against a person of color in a way that was based on prejudice.
In fact, one of my ex lovers was a black basketball player from Missouri. It’s true what they say – once you go black, you never go back.
Jay
As an African American gay man I am soo shocked by the comments I have read. I don’t see Tyree as a homophobic bigot…sure his opinion is disheartening but on other web outlets he seems to articulate his option clearly and concisely. While, I do not agree him I do not consider him “the worst person in the world”. Sometimes it seems as if your not tolerable to some issue your somehow against the world.
ewe
@delurker: because you know my life and everything and everyone in it right. As i said you are an ASSHOLE. Get off your stomach.
ewe
@delurker: there she goes making fun of people she doesn’t know. The only fucking defense you have is to make fun of club going, rage parties of past drug use you also don’t have any idea of knowing but…. who cares because Delurker has mandated no one can say nigger to a black evangelical persecuting faggots while calling gay people unnatural. Go sit on something sharp.
ewe
@delurker: it might wake you up you politically correct dead weight.
ewe
@Jay: What the fuck about you being not natural does you stupid brain not fucking get?
ewe
FYI: David Tyree is all over CNN telling the viewers you are not natural. You better make sure to be polite though.
ewe
Why do we treat certain people like they were just left back? Tracy Morgan is speaking to LGBT youth in NY. I don’t recall Michael Richards being given the opportunity to sit down for a pow wow with a black person to make his career all fucking better. So David Tyree is going to exorcized next by an LGBT youth in crisis. It’s all show and it’s twisted.
jason
Male-male sexuality is not a minority. In fact, most men have an element of male-male desire in them. It’s a majority, not a minority.
jason
Also, when a hater like Tyree uses the word “minority”, he’s basically saying that minorities are not entitled to equal rights. This is a bit rich coming from a black person.
ewe
@jason: sexual orientation of any kind is not just about desire. What campaign are you pushing here?
ewe
@jason: why don’t you walk down some street in some suburb (you can pick the town and state) holding hands with your same sex partner and try and tell us homosexuals are not minorities? Get back to me on that one.
Rocky
@TheRealAdam: You are no different than this guy. As a matter of fact you are one in the same. Two BIGOTS!
TheMannequinAdam
@delurker: None of that changes the fact that blacks overwhelmingly vote down pro-gay measures, and that many black faces are part of the anti-gay movement. That in itself is extremely hypocritical and was the basis for my comment. History will show them as hypocrites, given that one minority is so against another.
You can name me all the white organizations and individuals you like but it doesn’t change the reality of the situation. Sorry.
Rocky
@TheMannequinAdam: YOU ARE A BIGOT!
Michael
@Adman:
I am so sick and damn tired of you arrogant smart ass gay americans how about you get a life get rid of your pathetic ego and GROW UP already moron? How about that? I can most definitely speak and think for myself I just agreed with certain things Jason said and as to your other egotistical comments I did not know any of that about him.So let this be a lesson to you dont make assumptions about someone you do not know otherwise it makes an ass out of … well you definitely not me.Good luck with your ego and personality replacement hope its better then the one you have now 🙂 Moron.
Rocky
@delurker: You have to call them out the same way we call out homophobes. They are bigots and racist and no different from the gentleman above. And, they expect him to agree with our fight for rights because he is black, but yet and still use the same ignorant and racist divisive attacks that White America has used on minorities for centuries. The white gay movement isn’t getting their rights-well blame the blacks. Despite the fact that the blacks are not pouring millions and millions of dollars into the anti-gay movement-its still the blacks fault because we see black voters voting against marriage. The white pro gay movement never reached out to the black community-let alone the black gay community to campaign for all of our (black, white, and everything in between)gay rights-and have campaigned for over 50 years to the white straight community for their rights and still almost half of white America is still anti gay. But, they see a dozen or so black (which black people only make up 12 or 13% of the population) faces marching against gay marriage. And, all of a sudden its black peoples fault that gays don’t have the same rights as the rest of America. They are no better than when the Germans blamed everything that was wrong with Germany on the Jews during WWII. The people on here are nothing but gay white bigots and racist. And, you have to call them out on it!
Charles
What a Foolish comment….David Tyree….ANARCHY…..Come On Now. I consider you my Brother-In-Law since I am gay and white and married to your gay step brother (whom is black) Lance from Orange, NJ. We have a very successful, dedicated and strong relationship of 6 years now and are living in Tampa, FL. I have met you and your family at Family Christmas Events in New Jersey more than once….played with your children and thought a lot of you and your family. But come on David, ANARCHY????
Is that what happened when women earned the right to vote? NO
Let’s take it a step farther, Is that what happened when BLACKS and Whites were considered EQUAL………REMEMBER EQUAL RIGHTS…..BLACK people could now vote and sit on the front seat of the bus….even drive the bus……? NOT A CHANCE
I am sorry David, but your autographed picture of that ONE Miraculous Catch that is hanging prominantly in our Great Room is no longer there.
Also, I know for a FACT that your mom did not raise you alone. Your mom and father were divorced but your father was very much in your life. And yes, after the divorce, your mom did raise you with a special friend that just happened to be a female…..right? Maybe that is your problem….is it ANARCHY against your family?
delurker
@TheMannequinAdam: No state in this Union has voted for gay marriage. None. Not one. Not lily white Maine, or diverse California. Blacks make up 6% of the California electorate, which means a whole lotta OC whites and Central Valley rednecks voted for prop 8. But go ahead, excuse them. Blame blacks.
I give you rational facts, you spout nonsense. Come back when you got something for me. This is way too easy for me.
delurker
@Rocky: They will continue to be racist, and there’s not much I can do about that. It’s tribalism pure and simple. Most of them are white and they averse to calling out other whites, even though conservative whites are the most dangerously homophobic people in America. I say dangerous because they actually control state houses, governorships, courts, and Congress. Yet, blacks are to blame for all anti-gay laws out there. That is so ridiculous and the GOProud morons who spout this nonsense are just trollin.
TheMannequinAdam
@delurker: The problem with people like you is that you insist that any mention of blacks being overwhelmingly anti-gay is somehow the same as blaming them. Nowhere in my post, or in any of my posts addressing blacks, have I ever blamed them for Prop-8 passing, or any other anti-gay legislation. Nor have I ever excused whites for being bigots.
It is extremely hypocritical that black Americans would be overwhelmingly against another minority, especially since most if not all of their arguments against gays are based on a (white) faith that was used to enslave and demonize them not too long ago. That was the only point I was making and I will continue to make it whether you or others like it or not. Most blacks are anti-gay when it comes to gay rights. Facts are facts. Get over it.
The nice J. Phelps
@TheMannequinAdam: US Race/Ethnicity demographics (2010)
White 72.4%
Black/African American 12.6%
Asian 4.8%
American Indian and Alaska Native 0.9%
Native Hawaiian and Pacific Islander 0.2%
Other 6.2%
Two or more races 2.9%
Hispanic/Latino (of any race) 16.3%
You are part of the majority. There FAR more white homophobes who would vote against you, bash you, want you dead, deny your rights. I bet you grew up or still live in segregated environment which in some way shaped your current views/ prejudices.
Blacks are small part of population, lazy posts on Queerty wont get you far.
Rocky
@TheMannequinAdam: So are most whites anti-gay! You are a BIGOT plain and simple. You are no different then any white racist or the homophobe in the video above. And the same way you call out homophobe-I’m calling you out as the bigot that you are. You probably don’t even know any black people personally to even make such an ignorant statement.
Rocky
@TheMannequinAdam: So are most whites anti-gay! You are a BIGOT plain and simple. You are no different then any white racist or the homophobe in the video above. And the same way you call out homophobes-I’m calling you out as the bigot that you are. You probably don’t even know any black people personally to even make such an ignorant statement.
TheMannequinAdam
@The nice J. Phelps: Why are you giving me population statistics when it’s been clearly indicated that *taken as a whole* blacks are overwhelmingly homophobic and shoot down gay rights every chance they get? You obviously have issues with reality. Population percentage and numbers have nothing to do with it because we are not discussing who is actually enacting these laws (which would be anti-gay whites), we are discussing the way the black community overwhelming votes and perceives gay rights, especially given their history in this country as a persecuted minority.
Get that through your thick ass skull and STFU until you do. Thanks.
TheMannequinAdam
@The nice J. Phelps: For the record, I grew up and still live in Los Angeles, which is the most diverse city in the entire country. So, take your assumptions and get lost.
Interesting
The best polling data says Blacks are 60/40 against gay marriage. They are for the other rights.
The split with whites is something like 50/50 or a bit higher favorable, but not much more than that.
The racism here is a matter of statistical data and reasoning skill. Numerically, as was the case in CA, even if a high number of AAs (let’s accept your argument of 70/30 despite the fact poll analyst such as Nate Silver have discredited it), the number of AAs in CA statistically would not have changed outcomes. If you are discussing statistically irrelevant data such as black voters, that provides evidence of your issues with race. The fact is that its not just the illogics of the inability to understand the data that you are using that’s the problem. Its also the attempt to use race to claim that “all blacks” etc are something. Or to use homophobia as an excuse to say things like “we should not have marched with the blacks” in the 60s as one poster wrote here. There is a lot of circumstantial evidence, that you are bigots here.
The reason CA was lost was that in the end NOM along with the Mormon Church ran ads telling middle class white suburban California that letting gays marry would mean that the children of the straight suburbanites would be taught about gays in school.
One of the really- BIG telltale signs that people are bigoted. This is all information that’s easy to look up. Its not guess work or subject to interpretation.
Interesting
@TheMannequinAdam: LA is not the most diverse in the country. And more importantly having lived there, I can attest to the fact it has a lot of racial issues.
Interesting
TheMannequinAdam
It is no more hypocritical for blacks to be against white gay rights than it is for white gays to be racists. In other words, you can’t have both your racism, in which you don’t reach out to them, and blacks who vote for your rights at the same time.
You are going to have to either accept the fact you are going to have to convince them or stop whining about it.
ewe
@TheMannequinAdam: People do not want to admit to facts. For some bizarre reason it is ok with some gay people to call other people racist in response and defense of homophobic black people who use a delusional gODD to label them unnatural. It is completely fucked up but that is what “damaged” or “traumatized” means in psychological terms.
ewe
It is not ok to attack gay people for being who they are so if you attack a black person for being who they are in response to their bigoted comments with only gODD as their rationale then that is the same thing. What people do not realize is that we are only reminding other people that they too can be subjected to hate which in this case is very well deserved SINCE THIS PIECE OF SHIT NAMED DAVID TYREE STARTED THE ENTIRE DEBACLE WE ARE CURRENTLY DISCUSSING. What people here on this blog that object are really saying is that they know gay people know better so if you are gay then you are not allowed to use the same tactics that people like David Tyree uses because those same people that know you know better feel that he doesn’t know better and excuse him for it. NOW THAT IS FUCKING RACIST!!! I am so sick of this shit. David Tyree is the culprit of hate and homophobia in this particular case. He opened himself up to ALL and ANY reactions all by himself. End of subject.
ewe
And like every black or white freagin evangelical out there, he and they do not ever have the decency to claim their hate as their own. They blame gODD as their reason to hate. David Tyree is a disgrace.
delurker
@TheMannequinAdam: at least you are not claiming to be black anymore. i knew that was a lie. moron.
Rocky
@ewe: Everyone can be subjected to hate. I never hear people like you say the same things you do about homophobic women as you do black people. Women have been very discriminated against for centuries and have had to fight for their rights like other minorities. And, I not once ever hear people like you make the comparison. And, if the guy in the video were Jewish instead of black I don’t think you would be saying the same things either. You are a BIGOT!
Adman
@Michael: Awww, the old “Grow up because I’m throwing a fit” argument that sticks right on your face like egg, eh? What a dumb ass chauvanist from the Euro wastelands. Get a clue, rube.
Adman
@Interesting
“The best polling data says Blacks are 60/40 against gay marriage. They are for the other rights.”
This is the only fact I have ever seen a Black apologist post on Queerty. The fact that you draw the conclusions from it that you do is completely revealing as to your bigotry and hate for LGBT’s.
The overwhelming majority of the Black electorate votes democrat, while keeping the party and it’s social agenda reactionary. This is why ALL gays (even the ones who want “white gay rights”, whatever the fuck kind of hate headed double speak you were trying to craft there, IDK) can’t have any progress, there’s a Black community standing around the caucus gleefully fucking it up for EVERYBODY, and then lying about it. “White gay rights”? MY fucking God, you’re a sad piece of work, even worse that this Tryee man child. You’re supposed to know better. Unbelievable crap from the cheap seats once again. You probably have a great job working for your pastor or some shit. “Interesting”, indeed.
Interesting
@delurker: It does seem weird when people claim to be black, and then some how that protects them as far as making racist statement about blacks.
Interesting
@Adman: Part of the issue is that many of you are really ignorant of history as are most Americans, including blacks by the way, of historical subject matter.
Blacks vote for Democrats out of historic reasons and identity politics.. Namely, that Democrats convinced them to vote for them over a couple generations ago when the Democrats began to favor black equality. in other words, even here you don’t understand the dynamic of what I am saying so you say stupid things. They vote for Democrats out of identity politics. Just like whites vote for who they vote for out of identity politics. In american, across race and ideological beliefs (when you actually poll people on the later it varies from what people actually vote) the thing that drives party loyalty is identity.
You also delusional if you think that the black vote is what shapes the Democrats. This comes out of the typical conservative arguments out of the 70s thrus 90s that policies are determined by blacks. You sound like a product of what was called teh Southern Strategy. Essentially whites like you were told to blame blacks for everything so you. Just like gays are now the fall guys. So too were blacks. Apparently some of you retain that ignorance rather than having dealt with it.
It is also interesting that you takee a comment that states number and say that one must reach out the rest rather than expect them to change on their own- given human nature that’s ignore becuase people rarely change on their own without influence from regardless of race- to mean that I am “racist” illustrates you are ill equipped to debate.
The truth is that blacks are just like everyone else. That’s the central thesis of everything I say here. In your mind, the polling meansyou can reinforce your bigotry. That’s the central thesis of what you and otehrs say here. I am a big believer in understanding the point that we are dealing with humans in every case. white, black and other racial, ethinic and cultural groups. There is going to variance. If you want to convince peoeple of something- you have to talk to them.
In your mind, the factyou have to take to blacks, means you are already having to do too much. They should give you equality simply because they ahve suffered. Thatview of yours is as bigotted as the 60 percent that does not want to give us marriage equality. its born out of not seeing blacks as human. We are to you the ‘special rights’ and million other things that has become a part of the white middle class view of race over the years.
I doubt you will ever admit any of this. It takes alot of effort to reach that point of seeing no race as in fact a race. I don’t consider white people all to be like you for example not because of the majority norm of how Americans see race. I consider them different because humans are variant. What makes you similar e choices about identity.
Interesting
@Rocky: That’s another piece of the evidence that illustrates the bigotry- the “why choose that group” question. If one is looking at the issue of bigotry against gays, it is one that you can find in groups across racial and religious divides. It is the only way the bigotry could be enshrined in the law. Yet, reading here with the bigots, you would think the US has a sufficient black population to matter as far as electoral outcomes.
They don’t explain why states with little or no black populations still have bans on marriage equality. Why? Because that does not fit into the biases.
They don’t explain why they ignore the 40 percent who does accept marriage equality. Why? Because that does not fit into biases.
They don’t explain why in some cases such as DC the black voters have been in different to marriage equality whereas in others they have not. Why? Because that does not fit into their biases.
They don’t explain why they choose to use faulty data that’s been discredited.
They don’t explain why they choose to use a data point that is consider a correlation by poll analysts rather than causation. What this means is that the race of the voter is correlation, but things like religion are causation.
They don’t explain why they choose to focus on the negative of the black community rather than on people trying to solve the issue with the 60 percent. They don’t explain why they don’t think they should have to reach out to blacks other than what amounts to a view of blacks as expected to do something rather than being deserving of the same level of respect as staiight whites. Indeed, notice, one of them claims it is bigotry to expect them to have to advertise and reach out to blacks. This is the illogics of a bigot. How is it bigotry to say to them that if you had to reach out to whites to get it down to 50/50, and you hare at 60/40 with blacks without trying? Then where would you be if you tried?
Not that it matters if they did. THe reality is that they could obtain 100 percent of our vote, and statistically it would not change outcomes. SO, that raises the really bit question- if we are irrelevant to electoral outcomes except in a few states, then why make us the center as far as national trends? How does one justify the animus against race if one is looking at IN or WY or the many other states? How does one address the animus when looking abroad to Europe such as Russian or the former communist countries there?
When you start to ask questions like this- then it becomes clear the evidence builds up to bigotry.
It is not one thing that condemns the discussion here. Its multiple things. None of which you will ever get them to admit.
So they atack and try to flip the conversation by claiming anyone questions their assumptions (which is what the entire debate is about ) rather than what it should be about- homophobia.- is engaged in bigotry against htem.
The real question ultimately is why is this guy supposed to be a repersentative of all blacks when they know for a fact that 40 percent does not bleieve as this guy does?
Why do they ignore the 50 percent of whties who are bigot as far as defining them by race while ignoring the 40 percent of blacks who are not bigots?
Again all of this is just evidence that builds to the conclusion over time that its bigotry.
TheMannequinAdam
@Interesting: Actually, yes, it is:
http://www.cnbc.com/id/43066296/The_Top_10_Most_Diverse_Cities_in_America?slide=11
You can thank me later.
And, I never said it didn’t have racial issues. All large cities do. I was responding to a specific poster who stated that recognizing black homophobia means that a person must not have lived around blacks.
TheMannequinAdam
@Interesting: I’m not “whining” about anything. It’s blacks who want to deflect from the issue of black homophobia every time it’s mentioned and throw around words like “bigot” and “racist” and play the race victim card. It’s pathetic and just shows how insecure many are about issues in the black community.
In the end, you can get worked up all you like and have your little black tantrums. I couldn’t care less. It won’t change the reality of the situation.
TheMannequinAdam
@ewe: I know. I see it all the time and it’s the reason I simply don’t listen to the race trolls. Either you want to have an honest discussion about blacks and homophobia (or whites or Latinos or any other race/ethnic group), or you don’t. But you will not silence the discussion – or anyone’s views – by throwing out your reactionary labels like “racist” and “bigot.” That’s adolescent and insincere.
@Adman: The majority of the black gay posters here like making excuses for everything that black people do against gays, but then they display their hatred for white gays any chance they get. The pitiful rhetoric on this thread should make that clear.
Interesting
@TheMannequinAdam: MEa culpa as a NYer. I thought we awere the most diverse.
Interesting
@TheMannequinAdam: But that’s the very problem here. I am not deflecting. i state the stats. I say its a problem. The difference is that I also state that you can’t expect the solution be anything different than what you had to do with white straights.
An example to illustate the point- Pro8- if you read magazines like the Nation there was concerted efforts by black gay groups to be asked to be involved in the efforts by the leadership of the mostly white – equality movment. this matters regarding resources being diverted to black community and latino ones. At the same time that the gay groups ignored the black and latino communities, the anti gay groups like NOM were there sending out flyers, putting up ads, etc.
You can not expect that a concert marketing effort by the anti gay groups in which the gay white groups say nothing will not have an adverse impact on your chances. Its simply a matter of how politics works. If you leave something for your opposition to define- guess what- people are going t use your opposite’s definition
That’s what has happened in the last 30 years with the gay rights movement. I talked to an early activist from the 70s about this. It didn’t used to be like this. This is a change that happened around the time of the desire for assimilation rather than acceptance of a diverse gay community.
This is all historic fact.
The problem with you are statements like this, “ajority of the black gay posters here like making excuses for everything that black people do against gays, but then they display their hatred for white gays any chance they get. The pitiful rhetoric on this thread should make that clear.”
Its nonsensical. I am both black and gay. Its absurd to argue that I am choosing one over the other. Its my understand that I see nothing being done to reach out to the one that leads me to post what I do. Is absurd to expect that if you do nothing to try to influence the black community, but white groups like NOM does (which they are doing right now in NY state and have done in states like MD and CA), that somehow you aren’t going to se ethe results youdo.
More than that, I question why you and others can not respond to thinsgs that are variance with your claims. When I point to DC, I am told that does not matter depsite the fact it was a black legislature that passed a bill. Nor can you explain why in the state of NY most of the Democrats including the people of color are voting for equality.
Instead we get these absurd racist statements abou tall blacks. the different ultimately between you and me is that I understan this complex. You want simple answers. In that way you are truly American.
ewe
@Rocky: name a homophobic woman and i will let you hear it. And you need to go fuck someone else with you pc bullshit. I am not going to entertain your fear. Cause of course you know every fucking thing i ever posted or said in my life because you just fucking do right? You are the bigot. In every sense of that word.
ewe
@TheMannequinAdam: I agree. These people are into silencing people while this particular black person uses his twisted delusional gODD to discriminate against us. We are talking about David Tyree but the assholes on this thread screaming racism would have you believe we are attacking all black people. This probably comes as a surprise to their right wing propaganda but David Tyree is fully aware he is black.
ewe
@ewe: and you are so full of shit to turn this around and make gay people the fall guys. YOU FUCKING HOMOPHOBE.
Rocky
@ewe: No, you are the BIGOT and you know you have never have made the same comparison to a homophobic woman (Maggie Gallagher for instance. Not once have I ever heard on hear that she should be more understanding because of the rights that were denied to her as a woman years ago. Ann Coulter is another woman that comparison is never made about)or any other minority. I’m not a racist and I don’t pigeon hole groups of people against the movement because of the color of their skin. Homophobia is homophobia-no matter if it is coming from a white,black,or brown person. And, I am about sick and tired of white gays blaming black people as this whole swath of people that are holding the gay community back from obtaining equal rights. Like I have said before if every black person in America disappeared from the country today-it still would not make even a dent in gays having the same rights as everyone else in this country. I am of black and Hispanic descent and I know tons of people of color in my life that it does not make a difference to them on who I love or choose to make a life with. Again you are the BIGOT and the racist and your trying to turn that term on me is ridiculous. And if everything you say is true well then what have you done to try and change it? What have you done to try and have the rabid homophobic black community to see that we as gay people are fighting a similar struggle as they have for centuries? Stop complaining about the blacks and go and do something about it-if you feel that so strongly about it and try and educate them about their ignorance.
Rocky
@TheMannequinAdam: I have heard homophobes make the same claim when gays call them bigots. That’s very interesting that you would say that about us. And, I stand by what I say you are a BIGOT!
Interesting
@Rocky: Amazing comment.
Rocky
@TheMannequinAdam: “black tantrums”? The more you talk the more your true BIGOTED colors show. The white sheet over your head is blinding you from your ignorance.
Michael
@Rocky:
They are bigots and racist and no different from the gentleman above.
Umm I was the one ABOVE you so I seriously hope you were NOT referring to me.
Michael
@Adman:
How about you stfu and take your head out of your ass for once in your life dumbfuck? No one speaks to me the way to have jackass you arrogant morons ALWAYS speak down to others.Well sorry child Im not your inferior you certainly are though even your comments prove that. Please get some humility fool you absolutely need that desperately.Once again I reiterate GROWUP your comments are those of a petulant know it all child and you dont know a damn thing about me idiot. What you attempted to do is called guilt by association just because I agreed with certain things Jason wrote:
You have no valid argument to say it’s just blacks who have led to this homophobia problem in America.
Dumbass THAT is what I was agreeing with him about. Once again dont make assumptions about people you dont know otherwise you make yourself look like an even more pompous ass then you already are.
Rocky
@Michael: No, Michael-I was referring to David Tyree the man in the video. I’m glad you asked, so not to think that I was talking about you.
Adman
@Michael: “How about you stfu and take your head out of your ass for once in your life dumbfuck? No one speaks to me the way to have jackass you arrogant morons ALWAYS speak down to others” You know what Michael, EVERYONE speaks down to you like this. Wake up and look around. Your masochistic race to the bottom strategy in this convo is enough of an indicator of that nasty little secret of yours. If I am what you do, how do you know what I’ll allow you to do next? Isn’t your own agency enough for you? You’re just another confused burgher from life’s cut rate generic bin, and you’ll always be looked down on if you don’t wise up.
Adman
@Interesting: “You also delusional if you think that the black vote is what shapes the Democrats.” You need reading comprehension skills, so here goes nothing. I said nothing of the how’s and why’s of black politics or LGBT politics, I follow the data, and I see a reactionary populace cock-blocking the LGBT community in Democratic politics. If you recognize the lack of influence Blacks have in the Dem strategy, well bully for you. You see how bereft of ideas your community has become. However, it doesn’t change the fact that LGBT votes don’t matter to the Dems, because Black reactionary social politics and the church $$$ they generate for the party do.
If you want to lie and deny with your culture war bullshit to a bunch of LGBT’s who have lived with the reality of these strategies all of our lives, then go ahead, but my critique against your numbskull views is anything but racist or bigoted, it’s the situation we LGBT’s find ourselves in. White reactionaries vote republican, why don’t you go join them? You’d solve so many of my problems if you did. I mean why would I sit around talking to a dumbfuck hater like you online anyway? I see nothing personal to be gained in entertaining you that benefits me.
ewe
@Rocky: you are completely fucked up. practice what you preach. Maggie Gallagher and Ann coulter are routinely viciously put down and deservedly so. White woman are the highest beneficiaries of affirmative action and are usually hitched up with straight white men. Of course your point about “white gays” and you knowing all about what and who i am is just another perfect example of your hypocritical dribble. Just as you think i do nothing for my community just because Rocky has claimed it to be so. Unlike you i do not classify all black or gay people. I am putting down David Tyree while you generalize about us and me over and over again. You insult all people by insinuating black people need to be educated and enlightened. you are a misguided punk.
ewe
@ewe: and you are so full of shit to turn this around and make gay people the fall guys. YOU FUCKING HOMOPHOBE
Adman
@Intersting
“The truth is that blacks are just like everyone else. That’s the central thesis of everything I say here.”
Again, you draw the most off base conclusions and attribute you’re own actions to anyone you think it’ll stick to. A fucking coward is a coward, and the mouthy one with the biggest sack of overwrought emotional characterizations is always the most cowardly one.
Blacks are NOT like everyone else a a demographic, the voting record proves this, and that the politically active in the Black community knows this all to well. They are humans, and in a situation that some humans are in, LBT’s are far more diverse and need a left wing that functions without a jealous landlord class called the Black community knocking us back. For you to deny this fact is just garbage. “southern strategy”, freaking “prepared to debate”?
You’re so full of lies today, it’s wearing me out. I wonder if you’ll send that cock block Jasmyn Cannick or whatever her name is to grace the next Courage Campaign meetings? You know the Courage Campaign, the one walking minority communities so that asshole armchair gay George Jefferson’s like you can masturbate themselves all over the place about how their “doing it wrong” while never letting anyone get involved? Oh wait, it’s the middle of the month, shouldn’t you be spreading lies about how the “white” LGBT community didn’t really build HIV-AIDS outreach and clinics into minority communities? Maybe you can come up with some good revisionist history to jabber at the barbershop? Oh snap, idea! you can make flyers and and them out in church, OK? Try and silence me some more, coward.
Interesting
@Adman: I stopped reading after the first line. I am basing my analysis on factual examinations by such magazines as The Nation. You can lie to yourself as much as you want. I don’t care. Its what bigots do. I am hear to act as a counter to your bigoted views.
Interesting
So, this is to put you and the bigots on notice:Each time you post bigoted comments that you can not prove, and I see it, I am going to counter with things that are factual and proveable. I can prove for example that gay organizations staffed mainly by white activists have not reached out to the black community. this is not theory. This is data. This is not a game o you say, I say. This is a matter of you say, I prove by pointing out the discussion of out reach by credible sources.
Adman
@Interesting: ACTUAL source, please. Or STFU coward. You’re a true fucking punk. You’ll be one thing this minute, another the next. I called you out and you still sit there faking it. I hope you really do run into an actual bigot once, and have to tangle with the truth of your character when you scream for assistance after crying wolf all of your life. Fucking punk ass coward. Reactionary news organs now, fucking unbelievable. I want the Nation’s polling on credulity in minority “soft bigotry”, but then their cowards too, and so that’ll never happen, eh? funny how that works.
Adman
@Interesting: Bring it shit head. I want to see the newest lies. As I said above silence me coward.
Adman
@Interesting:
hang on: “I can prove for example that gay organizations staffed mainly by white activists have not reached out to the black community. this is not theory. This is data. This is not a game o you say, I say.”
WTF? I can prove Black orgs want to burn me in my front yard to Jesus up above, what’s that got to do with anything? Take the HRC (please) they don’t outreach to the “white” community either if they aren’t donors, so what’s your point? What a bunch of non-logical haterisms you cling to. This IS a game of ‘You say, I say”, that’s how you’ve cast it. Posting population data and spinning it as relevant to the electoral sphere is so last weeks Republican rhetoric it’s beyond stupid, but that’s what you did! Is that your “Southern Strategy?” Another typical liar trying to silence the Gay community with semantic games. Cowards are cowards, put up or shut up.
Interesting
@Adman: Thanks for showing your true colors. I again only read the first pline and realized it wasn’t going to get any better from there.
Here’s an activist who is actually in the trenches of gaining rights not just for me, but for you:
Case in point: OUT Magazine puts out a yearly “OUT 100”. It should be called “The Kids Are All White.” With the exception of one or two faces of color, it seems that OUT has a real problem finding folks who are doing anything who aren’t white (male mostly). The few faces of color feel like someone in a production meeting said, “Uh, there’s no black people.” (Latinos don’t even register, yet.) So, someone gets a friend on the phone and voila, a couple of colored faces make the cut.
Thanks.
Here’s a story I tell all the time to illustrate how ridiculous the situation is here in Las Vegas. The following is a verbatim quote from a board member of the organization that puts on our “Pride” festival. “Derek, you’re the only one who is ever talking about diversity. You really need to give it a rest.”
Huh?
Our own Gay & Lesbian Center has no people of color on its board whatsoever. When you walk into the Center’s lobby all you see are poor and homeless people of color and transgender people.”
http://www.bilerico.com/2011/01/segregation_is_part_parcel_of_the_lgbt_experience.php
“Note: In addition to being named one of AOL’s “Top Ten Bloggers in Las Vegas”, guest blogger Derek Washington is Chairman of Stonewall Democrats of Southern Nevada, the largest LGBT political organization in Nevada. He is also the New Media and Diversity Outreach Consultant for Aid For AIDS Nevada (AFAN)”
I have a white friend. He says similar things from being a leader of a gay organization. A discussion of outreach in Prop8 here:
”
Jeffrey King, a gay man prominent in the African-American community, says the campaign ignored advice from black gay and lesbian activists about counteracting cultural opposition to gay marriage.
“We told them what should be done,” says King, executive director of In The Meantime Men’s Group, a South Los Angeles outreach organization for gay black men, “we told them what they shouldn’t do — and they did what they wanted to do.”
“This clearly is not the time to call black folks out and say we were to blame,” King says. “There was not enough outreach. Period.”
http://www.laweekly.com/2008-11-13/news/the-left-39-s-dirty-laundry-over-prop-8/#0_undefined,0_
Note that this was before indepth analysis of the exit poll that you rely on for your bigotry had fully been conducted.
Here’s someone discussing the wide range of views in the black community versus the bigotry of you and your cohort:
http://www.labeez.org/2010/08/african-americans-split-on-prop-8-ruling.php
They correct describe what Nate Silver, who writes for the NY Times describe, as problem of religion. If you ever want to stop being a bigot and address the problem, that’s where you begin.
I have dealt with people like the bigots here in gay organizations. Often they say without even trying “oh that won’t work.” They have been saying that for 30 years now. They have been creating a self fullfilling prophesy. So are you.
Guys like you and the other bigots here- you thrive on the lowest common denominator. You can’t respond to substance. So you try mightily to pull the rest of us down to your level. The problem you face with me is that I am not going to play by your rules. I am going speak truth to your bigotry.
Here;s a bonus:
http://coloradoindependent.com/21271/focus-on-the-family-vastly-outpaced-mormon-spending-on-proposition-8
Just one among many of who funds the anti-gay ballots. No where does it says the bulk of spending comes from blacks.
Here’s another about Prop 8 passage in CA, both the mixed views of blacks,a nd what the black vote meant to the Prop 8
“The truth is far more nuanced. Blacks made up no more than 10% of those voting in California this election. Even if a larger proportion supported the measure, the passage was “sealed” by millions of mostly white, conservative, inland voters and the millions of dollars from the almost lily-white Mormon Church. An eleventh-hour television commercial by Samuel L. Jackson and robo-calls by Magic Johnson and Barack Obama apparently fell on deaf ears.”
http://www.advocate.com/Politics/Election/Blackout_on_Proposition_8/
See unlike you, when I am wrong, as with remembering which city is most diverse, I say so. The real qustion is why do you need to beleive so hard that you are right here?
The elitism of the gay movement is discussed here:
http://www.queerty.com/should-you-be-worried-these-guys-didnt-invite-you-to-fight-for-your-rights-20090601/
What are you doing to reach out people of color other than whining here about it?
Interesting
hanks for showing your true colors. I again only read the first pline and realized it wasn’t going to get any better from there.
Here’s an activist who is actually in the trenches of gaining rights not just for me, but for you:
Case in point: OUT Magazine puts out a yearly “OUT 100?. It should be called “The Kids Are All White.” With the exception of one or two faces of color, it seems that OUT has a real problem finding folks who are doing anything who aren’t white (male mostly). The few faces of color feel like someone in a production meeting said, “Uh, there’s no black people.” (Latinos don’t even register, yet.) So, someone gets a friend on the phone and voila, a couple of colored faces make the cut.
Thanks.
Here’s a story I tell all the time to illustrate how ridiculous the situation is here in Las Vegas. The following is a verbatim quote from a board member of the organization that puts on our “Pride” festival. “Derek, you’re the only one who is ever talking about diversity. You really need to give it a rest.”
Huh?
Our own Gay & Lesbian Center has no people of color on its board whatsoever. When you walk into the Center’s lobby all you see are poor and homeless people of color and transgender people.”
http://www.bilerico.com/2011/0…..rience.php
“Note: In addition to being named one of AOL’s “Top Ten Bloggers in Las Vegas”, guest blogger Derek Washington is Chairman of Stonewall Democrats of Southern Nevada, the largest LGBT political organization in Nevada. He is also the New Media and Diversity Outreach Consultant for Aid For AIDS Nevada (AFAN)”
I have a white friend. He says similar things from being a leader of a gay organization. A discussion of outreach in Prop8 here:
”
Jeffrey King, a gay man prominent in the African-American community, says the campaign ignored advice from black gay and lesbian activists about counteracting cultural opposition to gay marriage.
“We told them what should be done,” says King, executive director of In The Meantime Men’s Group, a South Los Angeles outreach organization for gay black men, “we told them what they shouldn’t do — and they did what they wanted to do.”
“This clearly is not the time to call black folks out and say we were to blame,” King says. “There was not enough outreach. Period.”
http://www.laweekly.com/2008-1…..defined,0_
Note that this was before indepth analysis of the exit poll that you rely on for your bigotry had fully been conducted.
Here’s someone discussing the wide range of views in the black community versus the bigotry of you and your cohort:
http://www.labeez.org/2010/08/…..ruling.php
They correct describe what Nate Silver, who writes for the NY Times describe, as problem of religion. If you ever want to stop being a bigot and address the problem, that’s where you begin.
I have dealt with people like the bigots here in gay organizations. Often they say without even trying “oh that won’t work.” They have been saying that for 30 years now. They have been creating a self fullfilling prophesy. So are you.
Guys like you and the other bigots here- you thrive on the lowest common denominator. You can’t respond to substance. So you try mightily to pull the rest of us down to your level. The problem you face with me is that I am not going to play by your rules. I am going speak truth to your bigotry.
Here;s a bonus:
http://coloradoindependent.com…..position-8
Just one among many of who funds the anti-gay ballots. No where does it says the bulk of spending comes from blacks.
Here’s another about Prop 8 passage in CA, both the mixed views of blacks,a nd what the black vote meant to the Prop 8
“The truth is far more nuanced. Blacks made up no more than 10% of those voting in California this election. Even if a larger proportion supported the measure, the passage was “sealed” by millions of mostly white, conservative, inland voters and the millions of dollars from the almost lily-white Mormon Church. An eleventh-hour television commercial by Samuel L. Jackson and robo-calls by Magic Johnson and Barack Obama apparently fell on deaf ears.”
http://www.advocate.com/Politi…..osition_8/
See unlike you, when I am wrong, as with remembering which city is most diverse, I say so. The real qustion is why do you need to beleive so hard that you are right here?
The elitism of the gay movement is discussed here:
http://www.queerty.com/should-…..-20090601/
What are you doing to reach out people of color other than whining here about it?
Interesting
Here is the SOuthern Poverty Law Center discussing their designation of 18 groups as hate groups regarding gay rights.
http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/intelligence-report/browse-all-issues/2010/winter/the-hard-liners
None of them are majority black. Yet you do not spend hours on end discussing them. That’s the interesting part.
Rocky
@ewe: You need to read what I wrote-I said if you feel that way. I don’t-I don’t feel that way about black people needing to be educated or that black people are generally homophobic. And you are talking out of both sides of your mouth. Aren’t you the one that used the term “nigger”. Get out of here! And, to try and twist this again and spin the argument like I’m just spouting off things is just downright foolish. I know both of those women have been condemned on here for their views-but not for being a oppressed minority who were denying other minorities rights. You are just a blatant racist and a bigot and you need to face up to it. And, every time you make your racist and
remarks I’m going to call you out on it. Like I said to your friend-that white sheet over your head is blinding you to your own ignorance. BIGOT!
delurker
@Interesting: The racist trolls like mannequinadam and ewe will say that doesn’t matter. Blacks are the most homophobic people evah.
Adman
@Interesting: I took your advice and stopped reading your drivel. Your self hating disgusting foray into the untruths of status quo defensive politics are 100% true to form though, I’m sure. “majority black” is the issue because this clown in the video is black, and you took issue with the way he was being commented on here. Your analysis is indicative of YOUR “true colors”, my unprincipled friend.
There is no “demographic” to an individual who lends his voice for oppression sake, just the man, and those he influences. That’s social, and discoursian analysis, relevant to this thread as I said.
Now, IMO Black Dems provide a wedge within the Dem party, using their influence disproportionately to compromise gay political gains. That’s political analysis. Then, you have the fool headed notion that you’ll get away with social conservatism, while attributing it to me, using this lie to give some kind of reading of “white racism” in the gay community? If you’d like to continue spreading lies and conservative moral bankruptcy and call it “Black”, well, the numbers show you’re in the majority in your community is all, dumbshit.
Rocky
@ewe: And I am no homophobe but you have yet to deny that you are a bigot. Because you know you are one. I am not making gay people the fall guy because I don’t generalize all gay people. But, despite what you say (practice what you preach) you have generalized the black community and have made them (or as you put it the nigger) the fall guy. You are a BLATANT GAY BIGOT. And, stop hiding behind your sexuality to act like because you are gay and pro gay rights that you are not a racist-because you are. And, I may be a punk-but you are a PUNK ASS RACIST BIGOT!
Adman
@delurker:”The racist trolls like mannequinadam and ewe will say that doesn’t matter. Blacks are the most homophobic people evah.”
Your mother’s a troll, first of all. Both of those users have made valid points with their intolerant logic being a reaction to being poked at by Black posters here, who take zero responsibility for defending hate via silencing LGBT’s. You just have big mouths, what you don’t have is any ideas. That’s why the most reliably Homophobic demographic who populate the political left are led by Black voices, Black church folk, and Black politicians making a buck on spin. But go ahead live it up, like I said you only remind me of your mother.
Rocky
@Adman: And I feel sorry that your mother raised a racist bigot like you.
Rocky
@Adman: Again take the white sheet off your racist bigoted head.
TheMannequinAdamn
Here is a BLACK man saying basically the EXACT same thing I said in post #11 and all throughout this thread. Are you going to call him a self-hating black person and a racist and bigot against his own people just because he’s pointing out the obvious? Watch the first 42 seconds (or the whole thing).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LzMHBo_iU9o
Interesting/Rocky/IAbuseGays, you need to give up your charade.
Rocky
@delurker: We just have to get used to the fact that every time a black person says something homophobic and Queerty makes a post about it that THE RACIST TROLLS will stereotype the whole black race as homophobic and blame them for all of our problems as gay people. They are just like the any other racist white person when it comes to black people. They don’t see the man for just being a man making a homophobic remark-they see that he is “black” making a homophobic remark and suddenly he represents all black people. Like I said before just call them out on it and call them what they are: BIGOTS!
Rocky
@TheMannequinAdamn: Oh, so now cause a black man allegedly (cuz I didn’t watch the video) says what you said makes it true. Well, there are gays who don’t believe gays should have the right to marry (I happen to know some personally). So, because some gays feel that way well then the anti-movement is correct in there way of thinking. Shut up!
TheMannequinAdam
@Rocky: Exactly, you didn’t watch the video. Enough said, troll. Maybe you can get one of your split personalities, IAbuseGays or Interesting, to watch it for you?
You are in no position to attack me for saying the same thing simply because I’m not black. I rest my case. The only bigot here is YOU, and always has been.
Rocky
@TheMannequinAdam: So what, your argument makes no sense. Does not mean I have to agree with him and there are black people that make racist and derogatory remarks about other black people (there is an issue in the black community with lighter skinned blacks vs darker skinned blacks). And, there were Uncle Toms (and I did watch the video after I posted my remark)my reaction was to your stupid statement “Here a black man said it so I am right”, so what? And, I will assure you I’m not either one of those people (IAbuseGays or Interesting)-it just goes to show how much of a BIGOT you are-because people disagree with you they all of a sudden must be the same person. Shut up BIGOT!
Michael
@Adman:
Excuse me but are you unstable or mentally insane or both? What the hell are you even talking about? Do you pull all of this shit from your ass superiority complex troll?
Its obvious you ARE a troll your comment was even troll like otherwise you wouldnt have made a statement talking down to me trying your damndest to make me feel insignificant or inferior just because I agreed with CERTAIN comments Jason made.You seriously need to pull your head out of your ass and actually MAKE SENSE to begin with. I didnt understand any ounce of that unintelligible garbage you wrote how the hell you thought that made any sense to begin with is beyond me.
Michael
@Adman: >:
No one speaks to me the way to have jackass you arrogant morons ALWAYS speak down to others” You know what Michael, EVERYONE speaks down to you like this. Wake up and look around. Your masochistic race to the bottom strategy in this convo is enough of an indicator of that nasty little secret of yours. If I am what you do, how do you know what I’ll allow you to do next? Isn’t your own agency enough for you? You’re just another confused burgher from life’s cut rate generic bin, and you’ll always be looked down on if you don’t wise up.
Wow you literally need help and what the hell are you even talking about? My nasty little secret ? Please get help you seriously need it you are nothing special either so do not flatter yourself.You looking down on others makes YOU insignificant not those of us who actually have a little something called HUMILITY. Some however are born with it others are not I.E. people like YOU.
Rocky
@Michael: Thank God you said it-I thought it was just me, but none that made sense to me either.
delurker
@TheMannequinAdam: I have a question. Why did you lie and say that you were black? The only thing worse than a racist is a racist liar.
Obama-is-a-Liar
@The nice J. Phelps:
CNN Exit polls after Proposition Hate in California:·
•A staggering 75% of black women voted YES on Prop 8.
•54% of Latino men voted YES, and 52% of Latino women voted YES on Prop 8.
•Collectively, 70% of Blacks (Male and Female) voted YES on Prop 8 – the largest anti-gay minority voting block. MORE than any other racial minority.
•A slim majority of Whites, 51% voted NO Prop 8. (note: the majority of whites vote against Proposition 8 — it would have failed if it were a “whites only” vote)
•61% of young people (18-24) voted NO Prop 8.
•59% of 25-29 year olds voted NO Prop 8.
Source: http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/results/polls/#CAI01p1
Interesting
Adman,
As Delurker stated, you are predictable. The data and factual informtion is no longer for you. Like talking to homophobes its to rebutt people like you on this site until you slink back in the dark shit hole that spawned you.
More Prop 8 Data
“QUEERTY: Last weekend, at the Las Vegas protest against Prop 8., comedian Wanda Sykes came out and mentioned you during her speech– saying that you had disproved the “70% of black people voted against Prop. 8? meme. Is that what you said?
Nate Silver: That’s not exactly what I said. But there’s a related meme, which the notion that Prop 8 passed because of all the new supporters that Barack Obama turned out, and it’s just not true. People who were voting for the first time — almost all of whom supported Barack Obama — voted against Prop 8 by a 62:38 margin. Had Barack Obama not energized new types of voters and gotten them to the polls, Prop 8 would have passed by a wider margin.
Now, there are going to be people who want to slice and dice those numbers more finely, such as by looking at African-American voters, who voted for Prop 8 in the aggregate. But there are a couple of problems with that. Firstly, there is no evidence that new African-American voters — the ones who turned out for the first time because of Obama — voted to pass Prop 8. And secondly, this whole notion of trying to lump voters together into monolithic categories is silly. Black voters do not all behave alike; nor do white voters nor Latino voters. If there’s the need to assign blame, let’s assign blame to the individuals who chose to support the measure — and there were plenty of them in EVERY racial group.
How reliable are the exit polls and statistics about Prop. 8? How seriously should we take them?
Exit polls are somewhat less reliable than telephone-based polls of the same sample size. This is because of a technique called “cluster sampling” — exit polls are only conducted at certain precincts — which introduces another source of error that isn’t present in normal polls.
Also, remember that whenever we’re looking at the voting patterns of just one subgroup — such as African-Americans — the margins for error are much larger than when we’re looking at the entire sample. In consideration of these two things, the margins of error an in fact be quite high. There’s probably about a 10-point margin of error in looking at how African-Americans decided on Prop 8, for instance.”
http://www.queerty.com/exclusive-nate-silver-on-african-americans-prop-8-and-being-a-hero-to-gays-geeks-everywhere-20081121/
That 10 point Margin of Error places the exit Poll which the above bigot is quoting at the same place as all other data , which typically ranges from 55-60. Not 70 percent.
More:
“Just days after black voters helped put Houston’s first openly gay mayor into office, the Washington, D.C. city council struck its own blow for gay rights. The federal district’s local lawmakers voted Tuesday night to allow same-sex marriage, making it the sixth jurisdiction in the U.S. to pass such a law.
Mayor Adrian Fenty is expected to sign the bill by the end of the week but opponents said they would appeal to the courts or to Congress, which has a 30-day period to review any legislation passed by the DC city council. The bill passed by an 11-2 margin after a year-long debate that pitted gay rights activists and liberals against conservative clergy, according to the Washington Post.”
http://www.theroot.com/views/news-stand-dc-oks-same-sex-yes-bananas-non-racism-soft-radio
The above is a black paper supporting gay equality. Speaking of Houston electing a gay mayor and reading between the lines, the black vote there is a third of the turn out, and homophobes try to control the vote through manipulating gay issues, but it did not work:
“But the ugliest attacks came from a group of black pastors who spoke out against Ms. Parker for what they called her gay agenda and two separate anti-gay advocates who sent out fliers in the mail calling attention to her support from gay groups and to her relationship with her partner. Mr. Locke denied having anything to do with the attacks, but two members of his finance committee gave $40,000 to help finance one of the mailings.
Some national gay-rights groups, meanwhile, came to the aid of Ms. Parker’s campaign with money and volunteers to staff telephone banks in a get-out-the-Mvote effort and to urge her likely supporters to vote.
Political strategists said that to win, Mr. Locke needed to carry a large majority of the black vote, which is usually around a third of the turnout”
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/13/us/politics/13houston.html
More data on the root of the problem:
“A recent article by Darren Sherkat and colleagues in the journal Social Science Quarterly explored the religious basis for Black opposition to gay and lesbian marriage. (In 2008, 58% of Black respondents to the General Social Survey opposed same-sex marriage rights, compared with 46% of Whites.) They show that what appears to many as an incongruity in the overlap between Black political liberalism and widespread opposition to marriage rights is largely explained by religion — sectarian affiliation and level of religiosity. From the conclusion:
African-American religion is overwhelmingly sectarian Protestant and denominational ties play a strong role in producing black-white differences in support for same-sex marriage. While fewer than 30 percent of white Americans identify with conservative Protestant denominations, over 63 percent of African Americans affiliate with Baptist or other sectarian groups. About half the difference between whites and African Americans in their support for same-sex marriage is explained by differences in religious affiliation, while high rates of religious participation among African Americans accounts for the remainder of the gap.”
In other words, religion not race is the problem.
http://familyinequality.wordpress.com/2011/03/08/the-religious-basis-of-black-opposition-to-marriage-rights/
In fact that split is represented in the actual numbers of 60/40.
That split is not accurate when looking outside of marriage equality. In fact, blacks are marginally more supportive of rights of gays outside of marriage equality than whites:
“Despite their greater disapproval of homosexuality, blacks’ opinions on sodomy laws, gay civil liberties, and employment discrimination are quite similar to whites’ opinions, and African Americans are more likely to support laws prohibiting antigay discrimination. Once religious and educational differences are controlled, blacks remain more disapproving of homosexuality but are moderately more supportive of gay civil liberties and markedly more opposed to antigay employment discrimination than are whites.”
http://poq.oxfordjournals.org/content/67/1/59.abstract
Interesting
By the way, to the mayor’s race – in order to win, the homophobic side needed the black vote, which normally turns out by 30 percent to win. It did not get the black vote. It didn’t energize the black vote to come out to vote against the lesbian who eventually won the race. At the very least, if one is going to argue that blacks are to blame because theya re so much more bigoted than whites- the data must be explained as far as both Houston and DC.
Interesting
For those who are curious, what the above data means, and I will start quoting this repeatedly at this site and other gay sites, is that blacks are more supportive of things like DADT repeal and ENDA than whites are. The sole issue you rest your “they are more bigoted than whites” on is marriage. Everything else and your argument flies out the window. This is why the appeal to the black community if you were trying to reach them rather than be bigots would be through a broad based civil rights appeal over equality on economic issues. You point out to the black community that being gay means being poorer than straights and you appeal to their sense of what civil rights are about. That’s how you define the issue.
Interesting
@delurker: He and a few others think if they say the are black that allows them to say racist shit. Its a classic bigots assumption. If I am one of them, which we can’t obviously prove he’s not or is, then I can get away with more. The truth is it doesn’t matter if he’s black or not if he’s spewing racist shit because its still racist. Ward Connelly in CA is black. That doesn’t change he’s a conservative prick
TheMannequinAdam
@Obama-is-a-Liar: Yes, we all know the blacks voted against gay rights more than any minority. Nothing but hypocrisy. How soon the blacks forget.
ewe
@Rocky: Yes Bitch, i called David Tyree a fucking nigger. Get over it. He deserves that as much as maggie Gallagher gets called a fucking cunt and as close as you are coming to being called a fucking beaner. You are full of double standards asshole. Don’t think for one second someone like you can silence me with your fucking bullshit. YOU are the only one out of the two of us two who ever made generalizaions about any group of people, black gay or otherwise you flipped out Queen. Read you own words.
ewe
@Interesting: wrong Bigot. No one is blaming all people of color for the words of one DAVID TYREE. Therefore it’s you that is the ignorant one in need of being educated. HA. You are a joke. You have been exposed.
ewe
FYI: When people call Christopher Barron of GoProud a twisted faggot i don’t take it as a personal assault against me because he is for the most part. And more importantly i don’t ever read any statements of outrage by people such as Rocky. That is because Rocky is so damaged and programmed she can’t think straight.
delurker
@TheMannequinAdam: why did you lie and say you were black? you have prefaced statements “As a black person, I…”
ewe
@delurker: Every nut is coming out swinging with this vote in NY coming up and all you can do is put out the red carpet for them to step on you. FOOL.
Adman
@Interesting: If I cast an isue like mariage as a drastic change from the status quo (redefining marriage, anyone?) Dems from minority communities, particularly the B;ack community will and do hear that as some sort of drastic “loss” of something they perceive as bing something that’s threatened, vs. THE TRUTH, which is that they are under zero threat by anyone besides their communities own leaders. These are leaders who appeal to their reactionary sensibilities. Ared those church folk? Absolutuely yes. The Black community is disproportionately represented by the Church when compared to any other community who votes Dem.
Now, pointing this out is racist, and the “activists” from the black community are often denied an overriding influence in LGBT circles? Fine, but then ALL races are ignored by LGBT orgs who often overlap, duplicate tasks, and spend time re-inventing the wheel, since there are so many of them, and each must start from scratch or disintegrate when coalition members (minorities, with the exception of the minority trans crowd, typically) jump ship. So, as a concerned party who spends time covering for the same poor mouth Black churchers who play these political strategies again and again, you should take your hate goggles off someday and look to the folks influencing you to play the spoiler. It’s all you are suited for, it’s all you have, and you know it. So come on down and “diversity train” the LGBT org of your choice (At several hundred an hour consulting fees, plus the fact that to have a NGO charter, one must diversity train anyway, but I digress) and say you’re not silencing the community while attempting to bleed it dry, and I’ll call your sorry ass out on it EVERY TIME!
So I ask you pissy sisters (Rocky, Interesteing, et al) If I am everything that you do, how do you know what I’ll allow you to do next? What about your own agency? Why do you cast your arguments and ideas conservatively IN PUBLIC, SO OTHER BLACK FOLKS CAN HEAR YOU, while crying about me? Simple, you’re cowards, of an entirely tiny moral and ethical dimension, and your playing the “if I can’t call the shots, nobody can” game, and it’s just weak. You can’t lead, you have nothing but empty hands and big mouths. Hence the final strategy of the conservative “I’ve never thought of anything like he’s saying, he’s must be crazy!” You’re so predictable, but then hypocrites and haters always are so there’s that.
Adman
@Interesting: “The sole issue you rest your “they are more bigoted than whites” on is marriage. Everything else and your argument flies out the window.”
This IS my argument in it’s entirely, you two faced fuck. Blacks are convinced they’ll lose something by granting LGBT legal autonomy equal to straights, the church teaches them because their dumb fucks, then thier scummy apologists weasel their way in our LGBT collective spaces with their sqeaky wheel smoke screen bleating of “racism”, while class goes ignored. Economics of activism? Can’t talk about it, there’s a AA pitbull itching to derail all discussion, and I don’t want to be labelled racist or something else I’m not, so let’s show “respect” to the reactionary fuck heads. Again, fuck off! I won’t stop addressing it, you can’t silence me, get over yourself or continue to get kicked around.
Interesting
@Adman: You are a racist because despite all the data on the subject that suggest its complicated, you move the target each time to recast the subject as “all blacks bad.” The data I just brought to the table, which you can not rebutt other by doing the bigots game, illustrates that clearly. You are no different than Maggie from NOM who also, by the way, does not think she’s a bigot.
ewe
AND David Tyree should lose his position of employment as well.
Interesting
@Adman: @Adman: @Adman: By the way, you keep lying to yourself it seems by recasting me as someone who does not talk about the issues of my community fully. Nearly every post I have written including the data does the exact opposite of what you claim.
This is what bigots also do. They lie about the opposition to their bigotry. Here, I repeatedly point out complex data, including about the number of support- some of it better than you claim- ie on ENDA, DADT, etc. SOme of it not good, but still better than you claim- marriage equality. I then offer suggestions through black activist about how to reach out to that.
How does your bigotry register all ot his?
As making excuses. Not about how to take action. But excuses. The reason why its bigotry is you hve one standard for how to reach out to white people and one for blacls.
I am not suggesting anything more than what is done for white people. Feel out what messaging works, and use it to influence the listener.
Do you care? No, like NOM, you recast it all to confirm to your bigotry. Like them, I am still in the wrong. Typical of what bigots do.
I am going to call you what you are whether it makes you feel comfortable or not. Ia m going to discuss it because its the truth. You are a bigot. So are many of the people who come in these sort of discussions agreeing with you.
You are a bigot mostly because you do not do what I do. I research things that are crticial views. I try to figure out what can be done. I don’t use it, as you do, to atack whole groups rather than address issues. You are so like NOM its amazing that you don’t see it, but then, like NOM does not see that its like the segregationalists from the South, you don’t see your reflection in what you are doing as far as it being like NOM.
I honestly don’t expect to change your mind. My point is to provide the data to demonstrate just how at variance with reality your bigotry takes you.
TheMannequinAdam
@delurker: I’ve never said anything like that.
Interesting
@ewe:And now we get the NOM tested “well you are the bigot, I am not the bigot.” This is also what NOM does. When they are challenged on their bigotry, they claim gays are the real bigots. They do what you are doign here. They don’t respond to the reasons why people are discussing things. An dyou are also like NOM lying. I can go, if I wanted to waste my time anymore than I already am on you, pull quotes where people do exactly what I describe. I can also waste my time finding direct quotes from you. But I am not going to do that because you know you are lying. YOu are a bigot. Its that simple.
TheMannequinAdam
@Adman: There’s no reasoning with people like him/it. It’s a complete moron and a race-baiting bigot. No point in arguing with it once you’ve made your points, because it will continue on like a broken record with its same stupid talking points. It’s above all else, a child who didn’t get the lollipop in the candy story and can’t help but react and throw tantrums as a result. Sad.
Rocky
@ewe: @ewe: You are ridiculous and the more you talk the more you show yourself to be probably the biggest bigot and racist on here. And, the only nigger on here is you pussy. And you feel safe and cocky saying that cuz your behind that screen of yours in your home or at your gay klan rally. But you know you would not have dared make that comment around any black person gay or straight in regards to David. So I am done arguing with
you and your ignorant racist ass. You and all the other racist gays will always be blinded by your own racism. prejudice. My
Interesting
How the mind of a bigot works
Note what is being done here. When presented with data that says blacks are actually better than whites on whether they want laws to protect gays in the work place, in housing, on the repeal of Don’t Ask, Don’t tell. This is all quickly ignore to say “well but they are worse on other issues cause of the church.”
That’s the mind of a bigot. They refuse to admit information into the conversation that complicates their world view. “Blacks are homophobes” is the meme “who are beyond redemption” ANy argument that suggests reaching out may be of value to changing hearts and minds like has been done with white voters for 30 years now is “making excuses.” Not trying to convince and convert. But excuses. Only the mind of a bigot thinks that an action that one must do for white people is somehow making an excuse if it is also applied to black people.
Their racism makes them unreachable precisely because they are unwilling to reach out to black people. Its easier just to hold the bigoted view no matter what the data actual says as far as blacks views on gay rights.
Interesting
@TheMannequinAdam: Reasoning requires data. Which none of you have provided. You keep asserting. Part of the mindset of a bigot is to believe their assertions is the same as empiricism. I have proven the thing you make up as “self evident’ are in fact not self evident. Now you fall back on back slapping to tell each other its okay. This is also t o be expect. You aren’t okay. You are bigots defending yourself despite the evidence that contradicts your assertions. You are no better than NOM.
Interesting
Here’s another example of how the mind of racism works. Below is a video- listen to it:
http://www.towleroad.com/2010/06/watch-woman-sued-baptist-church-for-250k-in-past-donations-because-it-welcomed-gay-marriage.html
This woman is a bigot against gay rights, but she was being convinced by arguments from her former pastors that gays face bigotry. She admitst he arguments worked on her and that it was a process she had not thought of before when the pastors of her former church explained it to her. She admits its unfair.
What do the bigots do? They ignore the process of changing her mind to make this about her race. Rather than trying to find solutions they make it about all black people are homophobes. Ignorign the fact that the church in DC that the woman formerly belong was in fact a black church.
The lesson here? th eone that the bigots along this thread will never admit to. You can reach out to people of color. You just have to know, like with whites, what to say to reach to them.
When I say people here are bigots, let me sum it up with what someone there wrote:
“To all those people that say she should know better not to discriminate against gay people because she’s black and has probably faced discrimination herself…there’s plenty of racism in the gay community! Just because you’re from one minority group doesn’t automatically mean you’ll be sensitive to the plight of another minority group. Those people still need to be educated just like anyone else.”
The assumption that blacks must be on your side without the same work as you had to do with white people is what makes you bigots. You are unwilling to accept they are humans with just as much complexity. Complexity that the news already indicates as such. No, they are bigots and irredemable in your mind. Yet you do not say the same for white counter. The whites are deserving of being convinced. Blacks are not. We aren’thuman. We should like civil rights automatons just know.
That’s not how it works for any group. That you expect that of blacks is the racism rearing it head.
TheMannequinAdam
@Interesting: And you are no better than the KKK. You are nothing but a militant racist black dude who hates white gays. You are a disgrace and have no business even being on this site. No wonder no one listens to you anymore, you disgusting, racist bigot.
Interesting
@TheMannequinAdam: I link to articles proving my positions about your views being bigoted regarding the black community. You are left repeating my arguments about you back at me because you have little else to say at this point to defend your views. Like NOM, you can not handle data and facts. You have yet to respond to them because you can’t. So you use NOM-like tactics of words as emotional deflection rather than descriptions of facts. I call you bigots because that’s what the facts add up to. You are at variance with the facts I presented, and you don’t care that you are at variance with the facts presented. In fact, you double down on making the same arguments you were already making. That’s part of the heart of bigotry. To repeat arguments about a group despite what the facts say.
delurker
If your guys’ argument is that it’s hypocritical for blacks to be homophobic, doesn’t it logically follow that it’s also hypocritical for gays to be racist? ‘Cuz you guys seem to be excusing the latter.
ewe
@Interesting: nonsense. If by chance you do ever want to address me then get it straight who the fuck brought up Maggie Gallagher in the first place. It was the NOM banging Rocky who of course like you thinks it perfectly fine to shove your own brand of morality on others and label it bigotry. I was merely answering his drivel. How convenient for you to then state your exhaustion to the whole thing. Stick your values up your ass and choke on it. You are full of shit and your hot button code words are not enough to silence or influence an opressed minority being attacked by a black ass dipshit fucking football playing religious bigot you are protecting with your pc dogma. Sit up on that delusional pedestal of yours for as long as you want.
ewe
@Rocky: whatever queen. I think you know what i would say to David Tryee if he called me unnatural, against gODD and unworthy of equal rights to my face. Your dismissiveness is unimpressive. But please do keep your word for a change and keep running. You lost Bitch cause you met people on here who called you out for being the stupid beaner with the double standards. For some bizarre reason you still feel you can dictate what others can say and think. You are a misguided dumb fuck.
Adman
@Interesting:
You’ve once again provided links with zero objective data, and called it fact, which makes you are sophist. If you’d like to defend your data, first you need to learn how to study datum in it’s entirety. You’re not here to “learn” anything from the situation in the gay community, you’re not here to counter the creeping conservatism in the only party LGBT’s can coalate with, the Dems, you’re here to apologize, backpedal, sling baseless accusations, and generally act like the retarded asshole you are.
Progressives kissing your ass aren’t generating meaningful “data” any more than the reactionary whites with their creationist museums are. But you eat up their propaganda, form it into some kind of “equivalent” argument to the facts, and lecture people off topic about anything you can pull out of your ass. I’m still here, and you’re still in the wrong place. That’s because you’re misguided, and too stupid, arrogant, prideful, and unethical to face facts in public. Too bad, so sad.
Adman
@Interesting:
“That’s not how it works for any group. That you expect that of blacks is the racism rearing it head.”
The lady on Towleroad is still a member of the Black community, a person experiencing a common existence with other Blacks in America, and therefore still under the influence of the pastor. You remember the pastor, don’t you? The guy who you’d like to maintain his position in your community, directly wage political war with my community, if not only to “help” the situation in the poor, racist “white gay” community, who sadly in their lack of wisdom and benevolence only want “white gay” rights. And then you have the guile to cast your motives into our camp, because you’re a misguided ideologue.
The fact that you can’t understand that you’re apologizing for the most backward conservatism is laughable, if it wasn’t so damaging to LGBT’s across the board, and by design. I’ve got no pity, because of your poison the well techniques displayed here. In fact I smell malicious motives, but then I’ve been through this too many times with the race troll brigade, so I could be wrong. I just won’t be waiting to hear from the likes of you, since you lie, and slander for your own attention needs. Cowards can eat dirt, so that’s just you.
Adman
@Interesting:
” As making excuses. Not about how to take action. But excuses. The reason why its bigotry is you hve one standard for how to reach out to white people and one for blacls.”
The is no de-facto “situation” for Blacks and whites that are equivalent, the two groups exist under different circumstances and conditions, that’s reality. For you to “overlook” that in exchange for the the opportunity shows your bigotry. You’re discounting the reality of B;acks in the political realm, not me. Classic sophistry, the excuses made here are you excusing blacks. Most condescendingly, I might add.
“I am not suggesting anything more than what is done for white people. Feel out what messaging works, and use it to influence the listener.”
Done for white people by whom? Blacks? Other Whites? Is what’s done for white Gay people even acceptable to them? Have you even bothered to ask? How much of your self absorbed provincial outlook should I tolerate before calling out your mush minded BS?
“Do you care? No, like NOM, you recast it all to confirm to your bigotry. Like them, I am still in the wrong. Typical of what bigots do.”
I campaigned against Prop 8 in the mid Wilshire district of LA, around the USC campus. It’s a mixed mostly Black/Latino area, and EVERY initiative was shot down by the “conscious” members of the SGL minority community, whenever it was introduced. Door knocking? Nope, it’s whites provoking minorites. Flyers/petitions? Can’t do it, too many sub-literates will take it the wrong way. Presentations in churches and union halls? Nope, it’s too “partisan”, we don’t want to turn off the church going CONSERVATIVES in our community. (BTW, “partisan” campaigning for equal rights? WTF is that??) Your anecdotal evidence posted here goes both ways, given that that’s the nature of evidence. Do I care? You woudn’t dare ask me that to my face, because I already know you’re a coward, remember?
“I am going to call you what you are whether it makes you feel comfortable or not. Ia m going to discuss it because its the truth. You are a bigot. So are many of the people who come in these sort of discussions agreeing with you.”
Feeling one way or another was never my intention when I started replying to your slander, you give yourself too much credit here as usual. How’s that planet earth of yours doing, BTW Fool?
“You are so like NOM its amazing that you don’t see it, but then, like NOM does not see that its like the segregationalists from the South, you don’t see your reflection in what you are doing as far as it being like NOM.”
You are so distracted you can’t see yourself in the mirror. But then that’s usually the reason unreflective sophists adopt the stances they do, they never have to learn, they feel free to consume at any cost.
“I honestly don’t expect to change your mind. My point is to provide the data to demonstrate just how at variance with reality your bigotry takes you.”
Go ahead provide all the minority community pity party “data” you can muster. The mileage they’re getting out of these “white gays are racists victimizing us” lies is what is really important to you, thanks for admitting it. I said it before, I’ll say it again. You’re a back biting, unreconstructed two faced coward, for a guy like you to come here talking anything LGBT related should give any one of us the right to punch in your huckster face.
Interesting
@delurker:They don’t think of themselves as racist. Its the same as Maggie from Nom not thinking she’s a bigot. Adman for example writes these really long post, but no links to data. THe one fact he was able to prove- which was not relevant to the conversation- he linked to data. Here, with something that goes to the heart of all his bigoted assertions- nada. sums up why I am ignoring him.
TheRealMannequinAdam
@Adman: Excellent post.
ewe
@Interesting: You and delurker don’t even KNOW you are racist. You have been programmed to think one side is allowed to smear the other and you accuse the victims of that smear and persecution of breaking some sacred rules you have deemed a border line of manners and tolerance. The FACTS actually are that you don’t fucking make the rules and it’s a damn good thing cause all you two are full of is double standards. You’re even too thick to address those accusations throughout this thread. All you can do is scream bigot and racist as a black man spews out his ignorant hate for you. In response you protect him. You’re such a sack of shit.
Dumby
@jason:
Let’s make to sure to call out everyone’s race when we critique them. Fair right?
ewe
@Dumby: sure it is. It’s done all the time when people like David Duke speaks and David Tyree has voluntarily put himself in that group of people you say gets called out on their race when we now critique them. A lot of people seem to miss the point who began this hate campaign.
Adman
@Interesting: I heard the Dodgers are playing down there soon, you must be pitching. You sure aren’t proving jack with the sociological-anthropological misapplied race baiting for a paycheck, hustler generated, “data” you post. You’re own experience is as anecdotal as MINE, but you never posted anything like that quiver-chin, why don’t you offer something on the subject at hand? Is it because you’re too afraid of your own community and can’t stand up to the heat others like myself have faced voluntarily? I think we both know the answer to that, you dodging to get attention coward. Fucking punks on this site, it’s just getting worse, IMO.