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Will Obama Make Any Concrete Promises on DADT During State of the Union? Doubtful!

From the Pentagon to Sen. Carl Levin and then, on Wednesday, to your ears: Word arrives that President Obama will address Don’t Ask Don’t Tell in his State of the Union speech. Adorable, because we imagine the teleprompter will look like this when he gets to that part: ______ _______________ _______ __ ___________ ____________.

Nobody (i.e. Levin) is quite sure what Obama will say when he addresses the nation for his first speech of its kind. But we imagine it’ll go something like this: I’m still your fierce advocate, we are working on a reasonable and workable solution, I do not support discrimination, but we must call on Congress to repeal the law in order to get anything done. What he won’t mention: That pretty much everyone believes he has the power to halt DADT investigations with the stroke of a pen, and that he’s exercised that power with other matters.

We’re refusing to get too excited about Obama’s State of the Union speech, because he’s got a lot to cover: healthcare reform (or lack thereof), the wars, the economy, jobs jobs jobs, Haiti, bipartisan stuff, North Korea and China, and whether Apple’s iSlate-iPad-iTablet whatever is worth the hype. If he’s squeezed for time, he might skip that last one. But we’re also keeping our expectations low because, when had a chance to address the LBGT community about LGBT issues at HRC’s annual D.C. dinner, and the speech was, without question, a miserable failure of epic proportions — insomuch as he said nothing new, made no firm commitments, and handed the HRC crowd the same platitudes that he won their votes with.

Also of issue: Whether Obama will address the other LGBT issues at stake, such as same-sex marriage, non-discrimination in the workplace, the legalized extermination approaching Uganda, the horrors in Iraq, or even whether binational couples will finally be able to secure visas for the foreign partner.

Obama, who tells Diane Sawyer he’d “rather be a really good one-term president than a mediocre two-term president,” has indicated to LGBTs that they’ll be pleased with his record on equality by the time he’s out of office, though he didn’t say whether that means after four or eight years.

In the meantime, as we await Wednesday night’s speech, here’s the mintuae we’ll be looking out for: Whether he uses the word “repeal,” or falls back on the now-offensive word “change.”

Maybe it’s best, then, that Obama doesn’t even bring up Don’t Ask Don’t Tell. Because if he does, and continues to operate Washington without conclusive action to repeal a law that actively discriminates against brave American soldiers — say that aloud! how unfathomable is such a law in this country! — things will only grow worse for him, his administration, and the Democrats.


UPDATE: Or maybe Obama’s speechwriters are taking our advice, and will opt not to mention DADT in SOTU speech. Robert Gibbs told the White House press corps, and unnamed sources tell CBS, that while DADT is being considered for inclusion, it’s not definite. Curious, then, that so soon after word leaking about Obama’s possible inclusion of the policy in his speech comes official hints to back off the meme. Was the original report an obvious administration press plant to gauge the response?

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  • 63 Comments
    • dontblamemeivotedforhillary
      dontblamemeivotedforhillary

      Because the S S Obama has sunk and the Democrats are jumping ship, switching parties and “Changing names” as suggested by Chris Matthews (jokingly) But, seriously – he’s done!

      Jan 25, 2010 at 10:45 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Republican
      Republican

      I’m sure it will be a great speech, but speeches don’t mean much to me anymore.

      Jan 25, 2010 at 10:51 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • 1EqualityUSA
      1EqualityUSA

      The only good thing for which he can be given credit is that he kept that nut-job McCain out of office. Palin would have quit her position months after winning. So, for this, I’m Grateful, but you’re Dead (politically). Too damned bad too. Might as well just be yourself. It’s easier to lose when you’ve been true to your self.

      Jan 25, 2010 at 11:09 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • dontblamemeivotedforhillary
      dontblamemeivotedforhillary

      I get it….Grateful Dead….duck waddling!

      Jan 25, 2010 at 11:31 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Ian
      Ian

      Wow, he can’t ever do anything right, can he? In your hateful eyes, I guess the black man will always be the enemy.

      Quite pathetic.

      Jan 26, 2010 at 12:47 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Lukas P.
      Lukas P.

      Jobs? Economic malaise? Wars in Iraq and Afghanistan? Healthcare? Those are tough problems to solve. DADT would take two seconds writing a signature to end, resolve, revoke, rescind — whatever the right verb is.

      He over-promised and has under-delivered on many counts, but his chance of winning a second term won’t be ruined or won by changing DADT, but because of the growing sentiment across the USA that he is better at talking than at doing.

      Jan 26, 2010 at 12:50 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • dontblamemeivotedforhillary
      dontblamemeivotedforhillary

      Yeah, would have thought he’d get ONE thing right…..but we’re in deeper shit than when Bush was in office (and I hated Bush!)

      Jan 26, 2010 at 1:07 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Shade
      Shade

      Let’s listen to he speech and act accordingly. Don’t Ask, Don’t Give makes sense to me. Let the democrats sweat about our support as they have never had to before. But let’s at least hear what he has to say.

      Jan 26, 2010 at 1:24 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • dontblamemeivotedforhillary
      dontblamemeivotedforhillary

      State of the Union is pretty crappy last time I checked! Looking forward to a “Great Speech” More polished than MLK even! Too bad it’s empty rhetoric coming from him but will be WATCHING with rapture!

      Jan 26, 2010 at 1:58 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • schlukitz
      schlukitz

      No. 5 · Ian

      What’s pathetic, is your playing the race card.

      Obama’s failure to make good on his promises and the increasing loss of confidence and support by all Americans, not just gays, has absolutely nothing to do with his being black.

      Obama has shown himself to be nothing more than a blowhard, a disingenuous liar and a coward. And I would say exactly the same things about him were he white or any other color.

      As Lukas P stated in post no. 6, Obama talks the talk, but he doesn’t walk the walk.

      As father used to say, either shit…or get off the pot.

      Jan 26, 2010 at 2:07 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Dirty Ole Man
      Dirty Ole Man

      I’m so damn tired of hearing and reading about you queens
      bitching and moaning! You should Be happy President Obama is
      even paying some attention to your sullen, hateful asses!
      If you’re not onboard with the democrats then take your asses to the republican party and see what they’ll do for you! We don’t
      want or need you in the democratic party if all you’ll gonna do
      is bash our President.

      I have never witnessed a group of people whom are so damn selfish, bitter, cynical and impatient! This president has tried to deliver on health care for tens of millions of Americans, Don’t Ask Don’t Tell and other social polarizing issues can wait!

      Do you queens really believe we’ll have better advocates within
      the republican party for Gay Rights? I think NOT!!

      Give President Obama a chance or simply shut the fuck up!
      The Bush administration basically IGNORED GAY people for the past 8 yrs, so I don’t see how waiting a few more months will hurt ya!

      Jan 26, 2010 at 2:49 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • schlukitz
      schlukitz

      No. 11 · Dirty Ole Man

      Don’t Ask Don’t Tell and other social polarizing issues can wait!

      And wait. And wait. And wait.

      The Bush administration basically IGNORED GAY people for the past 8 yrs

      And, all administrations basically IGNORED GAY people since America’s inception.

      Your name suits you well!

      Jan 26, 2010 at 3:16 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • schlukitz
      schlukitz

      No. 11 · Dirty Ole Man

      I’m so damn tired of hearing and reading about you queens
      bitching and moaning!

      No one’s twisting your arm to come to this site if you are offended by queens bitching and moaning.

      Tune in to Martha Stewart on the cable and start reading Good Housekeeping Magazine instead.

      Jan 26, 2010 at 3:25 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Dirty Ole Man
      Dirty Ole Man

      @schlukitz:

      Unless the owners of this site see it otherwise,
      I will continue to come to this site as I please. If you can’t intelligently dispute the validity in the arguments made in my #11 rant, then I suggest you just keep it moving.

      MmmKay?

      Jan 26, 2010 at 3:45 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Kid Lingo
      Kid Lingo

      @ Dirty Ole Man

      Re: #11

      The entire gay community isn’t comprised of “bitching and moaning queens,” and it is simply the fact that President Obama has promised things, not only to the gay community, but to the country, and hasn’t delivered. Such as Healthcare, Overseas contingency operation troop reduction, Gay rights etc. At least those first few things he still seems to have on his agenda, but the last isn’t even on his radar.

      The Gay community just wants to be treated the same as the rest of America, want the right for the government to recognize who we love so we can marry them, want the right to defend the freedoms you clearly take advantage of everyday, i.e: posting your opinions here on this website, and not want to be discriminated against. It is bigots like you that make our country look bad in the International community, that tell other countries it is okay to make laws that allow the genocide of a group of people based on their sexual preference. We are supposed to be an example for other countries to follow, but people like you make our us look like uneducated bigots. All I ask is have compassion for others struggles, the whole world doesn’t revolve around your agenda.

      Jan 26, 2010 at 4:56 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Ian
      Ian

      @dirty ole man

      Thank you!

      Jan 26, 2010 at 5:23 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • jason
      jason

      I want to see action, not speeches. The Democrats think speeches will soothe us. How wrong they are!

      Jan 26, 2010 at 8:00 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • jason
      jason

      Dirty Ole Man,

      Bitching and moaning? If that’s the only way to achieve equal rights, so be it.

      Jan 26, 2010 at 8:01 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Brian NJ
      Brian NJ

      @Dirty ole man

      Getting angry isn’t bitching. And you think dumping American Vets on the street every months is something that requires PATIENCE! Yes, please listen to the nice music while we shit on gay men and woman who put their lives on the line every day so you can breath free.

      No, fuckwad, we are not in need of a little attention, we are in need of a responsible Commander in Chief. Following the Constitution and honoring vets is not some gift he bestows upon us, it is a MINIMAL JOB REQUIREMENT.

      And yes, we are a little more than perturbed that our gay soldiers are getting a presidential boot in the ass for being gay, only.

      And you have ask yourself how high your self-esteem is, when ALL YOU NEED is a speech to feel all glowing inside. THAT is pathetic.

      Jan 26, 2010 at 8:01 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • sam
      sam

      The conservatives may be far from perfect but at least they’re honest. They don’t treat us like pawns in a political game. I’d rather do business with an honest enemy (conservatives) than with a dishonest friend (liberals).

      I’ve had enough of being blackmailed by Democrats on the basis that voting for the other team is worse. This blackmailing tactic is a form of stalling which allows the Democrats to escape from fulfilling their promises to us.

      Jan 26, 2010 at 8:05 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • terrwill
      terrwill

      When did all you beings expecting any mention of DADT land on Planet Earth?

      >> I would have made welcome to Earth basket of reality muffins for ya all to munch on. If you think for a nanosecond that anything controversial such as DADT is going to be mentioned in the SOTUS speech you really must be from another planet. With every single Dem who is anywhere near another election currently shitting hard eggs after the MASSacre ain’t gonna happen……….

      Jan 26, 2010 at 8:59 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Mike in Asheville, nee "in Brooklyn"
      Mike in Asheville, nee "in Brooklyn"

      @Ian & @ Dirty Ole Man

      Maybe you two should go fuck yourselves, not not in the fun way, assholes.

      Ian, I’ve fucked and sucked more black cock than Mo’nique and I’m mad as hell at Obama. What the fuck happened to Candidate Obama, the true political maverick for whom I and millions and millions of others stood in line for hours to cast our votes. [Just for the record, I've always been an equal opportunity slut and have enjoyed sex with men of all races.]

      And Dirty, it was Candidate Obama who said, unequivocally, that he would END DADT, he did not say he would debate and delay it. Candidate Obama said he would work to repeal DOMA, and has done not a fucking thing. It was Candidate Obama asked us to “Hope”, who told us that his vision was “Change you can believe in”, who said “Yes We Can!” And it was Candidate Obama who said that all of these issues are so important, along with ending the war in Iraq, health care reform, closing GitMo, rebuilding the economy, that they must ALL BE TACKLED AT THE SAME TIME.

      President Obama has been an utter failure at meeting the challenges that Candidate Obama set forth. Yes, of course we are angry. After 8 fucking years of a Bush Administration doing everything WRONG, we fear we are stuck with 4 years of an Obama Administration doing nothing RIGHT.

      I’ve already waited 20 years to be able to get married; I don’t have 20 more year to wait until my marriage is recognized. DADT has been in place now for 17 fucking years, you stupid dip shit pricks! Today’s gay members of the military DO NOT HAVE 17 more fucking years to wait.

      You two turds, Ian and Dirty Ole Man, can allow yourselves to be continued to be shit on if you want; obviously the rest of us are marching forward. As bad as the Republican years were, we still got marriage-equality, limited but a start, and they even failed to get an anti-marriage-equality amendment though they controlled all 3 branches of government. With the Republicans, at least we know, without question, who our enemy is. The Democrats wear their chicken shit masks and spread their greedy “come to me” lies OR they are such chicken shit limp-dicked cowards who shriek every time Rush and the wingnuts sneeze.

      Obama and the Democratic leadership have a limited time to turn things around. They are correct that most of us who voted for Obama/Democrats will not switch parties and support the Republicans. But Obama/Democrats are mistaken if they think that will keep them in office; I for one will not stand in line to vote for cowards.

      Jan 26, 2010 at 9:11 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Mike in Asheville, nee "in Brooklyn"
      Mike in Asheville, nee "in Brooklyn"

      @Ian & @ Dirty Ole Man

      Maybe you two should go fuck yourselves, not not in the fun way, assholes.

      Ian, I’ve fucked and sucked more black cock than Mo’nique and I’m mad as hell at Obama. What the fuck happened to Candidate Obama, the true political maverick for whom I and millions and millions of others stood in line for hours to cast our votes. [Just for the record, I've always been an equal opportunity slut and have enjoyed sex with men of all races.]

      And Dirty, it was Candidate Obama who said, unequivocally, that he would END DADT, he did not say he would debate and delay it. Candidate Obama said he would work to repeal DOMA, and has done not a fucking thing. It was Candidate Obama who asked us to “Hope”, who told us that his vision was “Change you can believe in”, who said “Yes We Can!” And it was Candidate Obama who said that all of these issues are so important, along with ending the war in Iraq, health care reform, closing GitMo, rebuilding the economy, that they must ALL BE TACKLED AT THE SAME TIME.

      President Obama has been an utter failure at meeting the challenges that Candidate Obama set forth. Yes, of course we are angry. After 8 fucking years of a Bush Administration doing everything WRONG, we fear we are stuck with 4 years of an Obama Administration doing nothing RIGHT.

      I’ve already waited 20 years to be able to get married; I don’t have 20 more years to wait until my marriage is recognized. DADT has been in place now for 17 FUCKING YEARS!, you stupid dip shit pricks! Today’s gay members of the military DO NOT HAVE 17 more fucking years to wait.

      You two turds, Ian and Dirty Ole Man, can allow yourselves to be continued to be shit on if you want; obviously the rest of us are marching forward. As bad as the Republican years were, we still got marriage-equality, limited but a start, and they even failed to get an anti-marriage-equality amendment though they controlled all 3 branches of government. With the Republicans, at least we know, without question, who our enemy is. The Democrats wear their chicken shit masks and spread their greedy “come to me” lies OR they are such chicken shit limp-dicked cowards who shriek every time Rush and the wingnuts sneeze.

      Obama and the Democratic leadership have a limited time to turn things around. While they are correct that most of us who voted for Obama/Democrats will not switch parties and support the Republicans, Obama/Democrats are mistaken if they think that will keep them in office; I for one will not stand in line to vote for cowards.

      Jan 26, 2010 at 9:15 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Tired
      Tired

      @Dirty Ole Man: ” Don’t Ask Don’t Tell and other social polarizing issues can wait!”

      I’ve been waiting in uniform for 13 years. Obama made a promise – I expect him to keep it. Eventually.

      If he doesn’t mention DADT at all during this SOTU, then fine – he does have other problems to take care of right now, and I understand that. Healthcare, the economy, and the wars are more important matters. Much as it pains me to keep looking over my shoulder to make sure I’m not outed to the military.

      But if he does decide to mention DADT, then that signals to me that he recognizes it as an issue which will help him and the democrats with their base in the elections. And if that’s the case, then I want to hear a timeline. I’m tired of being jerked around. I don’t want some wishy-washy bullshit meant to secure my vote for his party’s candidates. If his SOTU tomorrow is just going to be some more empty words, then he and the democrats can go fuck themselves – because all they’ve been for the past 4 years on this issue is non-committal. At best.

      The fact is, there’s been a goddamn bill in the house since 2005 starting with HR1059 (109th), HR1246 (110th), and HR1283 (111th). The House bill now has 187 co-sponsors. A bill introduced in the Senate would be expected to pass. The Democrats have had majorities in congress since 2006 and a president for the past year.

      They could pass this thing in the next month if they would only get some fucking guts and lead like they’re the fucking majority party instead of being frightened by their own goddamn shadows. The Commander in Chief could effectively end DADT tomorrow without legislation.

      All that’s left is to wait and see. I’m not holding my breath, but I’m hoping.

      Jan 26, 2010 at 9:35 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Mark
      Mark

      Equality delayed is equality denied. There is never a convenient time to lead for those who survive on platitudes and political expediency.

      Jan 26, 2010 at 9:49 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Cam
      Cam

      No. 5 · Ian said..
      Wow, he can’t ever do anything right, can he? In your hateful eyes, I guess the black man will always be the enemy.

      Quite pathetic.
      _________________________________________

      Pretty hard to make a judgement on him doing anything right or wrong with regards to gay rights….since he hasn’t done anything. As for your trying to pull out the “Black” card. I could just as easily shoot back that maybe “Gays” will always be the enemy to the politicians. So …nice try.

      Jan 26, 2010 at 10:11 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • christopher di spirito
      christopher di spirito

      The repeal of both DADT and DOMA should’ve happened in Obama’s first hundred days in office.

      Obama’s homegirl, Nanny Pelosi and Harry Reid needed to have repeal legislation on Obama’s desk January 21, 2009. But, they failed to get it done when Obama could still walk on water.

      I think DADT will be repealed but it will be attached to the 2010 military appropriations bill. This effectively ties the Repukes hands. If they vote against it, they’re voting against the precious military and this won’t play well back in Utah, Texas and Florida.

      If Obama is smart, he will just keep his mouth closed about DADT Wednesday night, because people are growing weary of the empty promises and hollow words.

      Jan 26, 2010 at 10:17 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • PADude
      PADude

      “No, we obviously can’t.” Can’t repeal DADT, can’t repair the economy, can’t get off our Congressional butts and do anything…

      It’s obvious that the Democrats would lose a major bargaining chip if they were to start working on equal rights. Therefore, it won’t happen–the jam tomorrow, jam yesterday (but never, ever jam today) philosophy worked until now. I never claimed most left-wingers were smart or sensible, just emotional…but somewhat less emotional than their corresponding right-wingers. Eventually we tire of the story-time and want some cocoa. Now.

      Similarly, the Republicans would never push a Constitutional amendment to ban gay marriage. They’d lose the motivated base at the polls if it were to pass. So far, promising and never delivering is working fine for them, but I never claimed most right-wingers were smart or sensible. Just emotional.

      So therefore I can’t in good conscience vote Democrat any longer as they do nothing. I won’t vote Republican because they could theoretically do something if the emotional response starts to wear thin (and it will, eventually).

      I guess I try to find good independents at the local/county level and hope they percolate up to the national base eventually…I don’t see I have another viable choice.

      Jan 26, 2010 at 11:19 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • dontblamemeivotedforhillary
      dontblamemeivotedforhillary

      No. 11 · Dirty Ole Man

      It’s hard to garner any respect for you when you come across as senile. Your closeted generation are not workable solutions now. Your anger with everyone else is the fact that you are not noticed anymore. You still think that B.O can save you, but he failed us. We will not get one piece of gay-affirming legislation passed with this President as he steers right before the midterms but to no avail. The President’s problem is how badly he has handled Health-care from the start, allowing the tea-baggers to determine the discourse as well as letting in lobbyists of health insurance who’s sole purpose was to kill the public option. Both sides will at least agree on removing the “pre-existing condition” in whichever watered down version is passed. Is it really worth it to punish Democrat states like New York and California by closing down free clinics so the church can run their Pro-Life pharmacies down South? Meanwhile, the State of the Union is really, really bad (the worst in all of our lifetimes) and the blame while being partially Bush-Cheney, falls squarely on POTUS now who is a different man than Candidate Obama. Gitmo is still open which makes us a terrorist target, we are in two money-draining failed wars, abortion is threatened as much now as ever, crime in urban black neighborhoods are the worst in 40 years, there are no green initiatives in place (like those promised to created jobs) and the stimulus package was faked on the tracker website with non-existing jobs when we are clearly going deeper into this recession. Home mortgages are hitting another wave, credit card default payments are collapsing a bailed-out financial system still behaving recklessly while not giving out small business loans because of the expected regulatory tax squeeze. He can’t control the CIA or find Bin Laden, the military are coming back to become the new homeless, especially with DADT and he simply dropped the ball on the 800 pound gorilla in the room: the Economy. It’s Jobs, stupid! 17% of Americans are out of work if you include those who have stopped looking and are now on welfare. We are becoming a third world nation before our eyes and he can’t even use his Executive powers beyond pardoning a pair of turkeys! We needed a Manhattan Project or New Deal to re-construct a collapsing infrastructure and all we get is a Democrat majority who the President can’t even control as they now jump ship as Massachusetts has. He squandered the window period that he had reading the Windows version of “President for Dummies” as we patiently tapped our feet for some sort of action. When inflation leaves us barefoot, homeless and third-world! Of course, its always the Gays fault for wanting Just Equality as we are already in the gutter!

      Jan 26, 2010 at 11:23 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • RomanHans
      RomanHans

      This is why I like the way hate speech is treated in Europe. If you verbally attack a minority group and there’s no logical basis behind your words, you can be found guilty of a crime.

      In this case, we’ve got two idiots — Ian and Dirty Ole Man — who obviously know they’re idiots, because they’ve shut up after Mike in Brooklyn’s great post. But will they shut up and go away? Nope! They’ll be back to spout the same old bullshit another day.

      This is the failure of free speech in America: that we can’t make progress on ANY issues because we can’t get the bigots and idiots to SHUT THE FUCK UP.

      Jan 26, 2010 at 11:25 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • 1EqualityUSA
      1EqualityUSA

      dontblamemeivotedforhillary, This read like a good bedtime story. You’ve clearly missed your calling. Children should sleep to these words. You put the Bad Wolf and Hansel and Gretel to task with post #28

      Jan 26, 2010 at 1:06 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • schlukitz
      schlukitz

      No. 13 · Dirty Ole Man

      If you can’t intelligently dispute the validity in the arguments made in my #11 rant

      Um…it appears that you got it right only in the last part of your statement.

      Check out all of the commentaries that followed your post no. 13.

      Jan 26, 2010 at 1:22 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Mike in Asheville, nee "in Brooklyn"
      Mike in Asheville, nee "in Brooklyn"

      @No. 29 RomanHans

      Thanks. I do try to keep my rants logical and effective as arguments. Sure know that sometimes the rant overwhelms the argument, so it doesn’t make anyone think anew. This issue, per my rant, makes my blood boil: blame the victim for complaining about being victimized?! Yikes.

      Perhaps America will wise up and see that not everything in our Constitution is without error. We all are raised, rightly, to understand and embrace Freedom of Speech. Nonetheless, as O.W. Holmes, Jr. opined, yelling fire in a crowded theater (when there obviously is no fire) is not protected speech. European countries, wisely, have added requirements that outright falsehoods claimed as facts also are not protected speech. The Prop. 8 trial is certainly showing that the anti-marriage-equality folks made up their so-called facts, made-up their “studies” and told lie after lie spewing their hate. In no case does this type of freedom of speech advance democracy.

      @No. 31 Schlukitz

      My friend, please, please, please, as I age into the “old man” phase, please call me out if I ever start spewing such stupid idiotic dribble that Dirty Ole Man seems intent on posting. The only information to take away from Dirty Ole Man is that there are some gay folk who are as stuck-in-the-mud idiots as Maggot Gallagher and her minions.

      Jan 26, 2010 at 1:59 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • 1EqualityUSA
      1EqualityUSA

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rYETHsxAv8c

      Old and in the way, that’s what I heard them say. The used to heed the words I said, but that was yesterday.

      Jan 26, 2010 at 2:05 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • FakeName
      FakeName

      Dirty Ole Man’s comment has been disappeared. Everyone’s numbering is off now and everyone’s shouting at nothing.

      Something that should be made clear is that while Obama does not have the power to repeal or rescind DADT unilaterally, he has the power to issue what is called a stop loss order. Under USC Title Ten, Section 12305(a), “…the President may suspend any provision of law relating to promotion, retirement, or separation applicable to any member of the armed forces who the President determines is essential to the national security of the United States.” So he could deem any service personnel who come under investigation under DADT, like for example the scores of Middle East-language linguists who keep getting discharged in the midst of two wars in the Middle East, to be essential to national security. The first President Bush issued such an order during the Gulf War. Several gay and lesbian personnel were held under it, served in Kuwait, and were still discharged after their service.

      Jan 26, 2010 at 2:25 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • schlukitz
      schlukitz

      No. 33 · Mike in Asheville, nee “in Brooklyn”

      A pleasant, good day to you.

      Co-sign your response to Roman Hans. I often applaud both of your excellent and informed commentaries.

      And when you age into the old-man phase, many years from now, I cannot even begin to imagine you, or Roman Hans for that matter, ever issuing the kind of idiotic dribble emanating from both Dirty Ole Man and Tony Kushner of theater fame.

      Keep carrying that torch of enlightenment on high, my friend.

      Jan 26, 2010 at 3:06 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • schlukitz
      schlukitz

      No. 35 · FakeName

      Dirty Ole Man’s comment has been disappeared. Everyone’s numbering is off now and everyone’s shouting at nothing.

      While Dirty Ole Man’s comment may well have disappeared and thrown off the numbering, it in no way, erases from our memory, the idiotic dribble he posted and to which many of us responded.

      Dirty Ole Man said what he said and if you can state, with a straight face, that those of us who bristled at his inane comments and his put-down of the LGBT community were just “shouting at nothing”, then you are guilty of showing just as much insensitivity as Dirty Ole Man did.

      Jan 26, 2010 at 3:42 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • schlukitz
      schlukitz

      Sorry. I screwed-up with the italics again. Only the first sentence, a direct quote from FakeNames post no. 35, should have been italicized.

      Jan 26, 2010 at 3:44 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • FakeName
      FakeName

      “Shouting at nothing” means that the comments have no target and is not an opinion on the validity of the comments.

      Jan 26, 2010 at 3:47 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • schlukitz
      schlukitz

      No. 35 · FakeName

      Update! Bru-ha-ha not over.

      Dirty Ole Man’s comments have reappeared as the original post no. 11 to which we all responded.

      Jan 26, 2010 at 4:18 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Disgusted American
      Disgusted American

      well as a gay man who is 49…50 in july with more years behind me..then in front…Im not ready to “give up” on Obama….he has 3yrs to go, maybe 7? depending……time will tell. Im waiting for him to GET ANGRY….for the love of…GET THE FUCK ANGRY ALREADY! STOP TRYING TO BE THE GOP’S FRIEND…..THEY HATE YOU! THEY WANT YOU TO FAIL..THEY WANTED YOU TO FAIL FROM DAY 1…….do what you said you were going to do..get rid of Rahm,and Geitner and a few others….I know the pressure is on, but you knew..kinda what you were getting….no Get to it! BECOME THE ANGRY BLACK MAN THE “RIGHT” IS SCARED YOU WOULD/COULD & CAN BE!

      Jan 26, 2010 at 4:23 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Paul Mc
      Paul Mc

      Wow – hot button topic.

      FYI – it took over 10 years for successive Labour governments to push through a whole series of laws on achieving the (near – ish) full equality for gay and lesbians ain teh UK). I took 2 full years to get equal age of consent through due to opposition in the second chamber (sound familiar?

      You better make damn sure Democrats keep getting elected to the House and Senate and yes, a second term for Obama.

      I mean… Massachusetts – WTF happened there?

      Jan 26, 2010 at 4:55 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Paul Mc
      Paul Mc

      @Paul Mc:

      Typo – It took 2 full years to get equal age of consent.

      Jan 26, 2010 at 4:57 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • schlukitz
      schlukitz

      No. 40 · Disgusted American

      Hear. Hear!

      And when the fuck will the LGBT community take the lead by showing it’s anger and disgust instead of giving Obama one free pass after another, on each and every issue that concerns us?

      Obama has been throwing us curved calls ever since he invited Prick Warren to give the invocation at his inauguration.

      But, testifying before the DOJ and agreeing that LGBT people were all pedophiles who indulge in incest and bestiality, was way over the top and should have had all of us out in the streets protesting that unforgivable slam against us and demanding an immediate apology.

      He found time to have a beer and make nice with one angry black college professor and one white cop who threw punches at each other, but he cannot bring himself to even address the issues of equality for some 15 to 20 million taxpaying American citizens whose time, money and votes helped put him in the Oval Office.

      Did we ask him to wait because now was not the time for a black President?

      Jan 26, 2010 at 5:09 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Matthew Rettenmund
      Matthew Rettenmund

      He’s been disappointing on more than just gay issues, but if he truly is mentioning DADT, it can only be positive. There would be no reason to mention it without action, so he’ll either say it has to end and nudge Congress publicly (fuck, if he’d only do that with the pass it and fix it health care strategy!) or—and yes, this is probably a little too “hope”ful—say that and also say he’s issuing a stop-loss.

      I’m really so let down by some of his decisions, but I would say I’m equally let down by how quickly LGBT activists seemed to dump him. It’s politics, it’s not a relationship.

      Jan 26, 2010 at 6:19 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • dontblamemeivotedforhillary
      dontblamemeivotedforhillary

      As a progressive, I’m getting ready to be disappointed. But, what’s up with all the angry media shots of a grim POTUS – when he’s always skipping along quite merrily without a care in the world!

      Jan 26, 2010 at 7:16 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • schlukitz
      schlukitz

      No. 44 · Matthew Rettenmund

      but if he truly is mentioning DADT, it can only be positive.

      He mentioned it in a positive way when he was on the campaign trail. And what has that brought us? He can mention it, time and time again, in a positive way, but that does not mean he will keep the promise he made to the gay community over a year ago.

      There would be no reason to mention it without action

      Sure there would. If for no other reason, than to play nicey-nice with the LGBT community to make sure he gets their time, money and votes again in 2010. It’s the same stupit game the Democrats have suckered us into before.

      I’m equally let down by how quickly LGBT activists seemed to dump him

      It’s not just the gays. Have you taken a look at the recent polls. Obama’s poll numbers are falling to earth.

      http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123690358175013837.html

      It’s politics, it’s not a relationship.

      Au contraire, monsieur. That is the fly in the ointment. The people whom we elect to represent us are in a relationship, whether they choose to acknowledge that fact or not. If there is no love between the voters and the people we elect to represent us, then the specter of a divorce looms on the horizon.

      The President is no exception.

      Jan 26, 2010 at 8:47 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • dan j
      dan j

      The main purpose of DADT is to perpetuate the prejudice it was designed to indulge. It must go, and Clinton should never have let it happen. It requires punishment for gay people, thereby stigmatizing all of us using the law to do it, and in that way it affects us all, not just those in the service.

      That being said, please don’t hesitate to vote for anyone who says the right things. Not doing so is how those who would use the law to punish us, win. Let your reps know you expect them to follow through, give your money and support to groups and individuals who fight for equality instead of to the party, but we are too few to not have every vote we can get go to those who at least say we should be equal, instead of letting those who say we should not, get their way. The religious right is well funded and outnumber us, and they are putting on the pressure to marginalize us. I share the anger and frustration that more is not being done faster. But not voting for your rights is self defeating if not self destructive.

      Jan 26, 2010 at 9:24 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • nokkonwud
      nokkonwud

      @schlukitz:

      Actually been longer than Rick Warren. Before Rick there was Donnie McClurkin headlining Obama’s Get-the-South-to-vote-for-me Concert. We were promised then that it was only for the music and Donnie wouldn’t preach and damn if we weren’t treated to an hour of Donnie’s I-used-to-be-gay-but-it’s-all-over-now lies.

      Before THAT it was the LOGO debates and “God is in the mix.”

      Obama showed his hand re: gays a long time ago. We just hoped he would at least be fair to us.

      Jan 26, 2010 at 11:17 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Brin NYC
      Brin NYC

      It is too little, too late.

      Jan 27, 2010 at 12:46 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Brin NYC
      Brin NYC

      @schlukitz: “anger and disgust.”

      Not more of this crap? Anger and disgust is ALL we’ve had for 40 years. It hasn’t worked.

      How about thinking of something that can actually work? Complaining is sooooo tired.

      Jan 27, 2010 at 12:59 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • schlukitz
      schlukitz

      No. 48 · Brin NYC

      How about thinking of something that can actually work? Complaining is sooooo tired.

      Well, to be perfectly honest with you, I looked over your words, I looked under your words, on each side of your words and nowhere did I see something coming from you that can actually work either.

      Telling other people that what they have to say is “soooo tired”, without having any useful suggestions or input of your own, is a cheap shot that illustrates your immaturity, lack of respect and credibility.

      Jan 27, 2010 at 1:28 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Reality Living
      Reality Living

      What a bunch of morons. Obama made a statement all right, here is what he said about gay marriage:

      “Marriage is between a man and a woman.”

      Was he lying then, or was he really saying something else?

      You fools voted for the man, call McCain what you want but his wife and daughter are more sympathetic to the gay cause than ANY of the Obamatron bunch.

      Yall been had.

      Jan 27, 2010 at 3:20 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • schlukitz
      schlukitz

      No. 50 · Reality Living

      What a bunch of morons. Right off the bat, you sound like a Republican.

      Was he lying then, or was he really saying something else?

      Promising us that he would repeal DADT as soon as he gets into office and saying that he felt that DOMA was an unjust law, both of which were posted on the Internet, and then reneging on them and as well as removing them from the Internet, isn’t lying?

      And, could you kindly direct us to a URL or any other plkace in the media in which McCain/Palin promised that they support same-sex marriage, repeal DADT and work to take down DOMA?

      I must have missed those three points when they were on the campaign trail.

      Jan 27, 2010 at 7:31 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Robert, NYC
      Robert, NYC

      I hope he doesn’t mention DADT, what’s the point? Its not as if he’s going to say anything new about it, just a reptition of past speeches on the subject.

      As for him not being in favor of discrimation. Hmmmmmmmmmmm, he believes that marriage is between one man and one woman but will support separate but equal civil unions to appease and not offend a few religious cultists. Sounds like segregation redux to me. He also believes that there is a correlation between civil and religious marriage as being virtually identical and as such, denying same-sex marriage is justifiable. He’s also wrong when he injects “government should not be involved with marriage”. Hello….President Obama, FYI, state governments most certainly do get involved when they issue secular marriage licenses and the federal government provides more than one thousand rights in addition to the state rights that come with marriage. Explain please!

      Jan 27, 2010 at 10:11 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Brin NYC
      Brin NYC

      @schlukitz: Haha, you believe in “political promises?” You must have loved Bill Clinton.

      Jan 27, 2010 at 10:48 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • 1EqualityUSA
      1EqualityUSA

      Robert, NYC and Schlukitz are smacking them out of the ballpark in this thread!

      Jan 27, 2010 at 12:24 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • princess johnson
      princess johnson

      Change is What’s happening!
      y’alls is desperate!

      Jan 27, 2010 at 6:03 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • nancy glue
      nancy glue

      Change is What’s Happening!
      y’alls is desperate!

      Jan 27, 2010 at 6:05 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • dontblamemeivotedforhillary
      dontblamemeivotedforhillary

      Two words: Executive Order!

      Jan 27, 2010 at 11:59 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • schlukitz
      schlukitz

      No. 53 · Brin NYC

      In addition to being an incorrigible, still wet behind the ears, snot-nose, at you also dyslexic?

      Exactly where did I say that I believe in “political promises”?

      You are putting words into my mouth that I never said.

      Very disingenuous and totally lacking of integrity.

      Jan 28, 2010 at 2:49 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • schlukitz
      schlukitz

      Typo: At you, should read are you.

      Jan 28, 2010 at 2:50 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • schlukitz
      schlukitz

      No. 55 · nancy glue

      y’alls is desperate!

      The incorrect plural form of y’all. The correct plural version is “all y’all” and should be followed by “are”, not “is”.

      “All y’all are to dumb ta be hicks, y’all don’t even know how ta talk… garsh, what the hell is y’alls supposed ta mean?”

      Jan 28, 2010 at 2:55 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·

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