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With an ENDA Zap Today, Get Equal Ensuring Constant Gay Rights Coverage

Here we go again, kids. [Dallas Voice, McGehee Twitter]

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On:           Apr 21, 2010
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  • 40 Comments
    • Lanjier
      Lanjier

      Yea!

      Apr 21, 2010 at 10:12 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • David Cornish
      David Cornish

      S T U P I D

      Apr 21, 2010 at 10:31 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • delurker again
      delurker again

      The most dangerous place in DC isn’t walking the mean streets at night. It’s the space between a GetEqual activist and a camera!

      Apr 21, 2010 at 10:31 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Cam
      Cam

      No. 3 · delurker again said.
      The most dangerous place in DC isn’t walking the mean streets at night. It’s the space between a GetEqual activist and a camera!
      ___________

      thank you, HRC will have your check in the mail.

      The fact is, that get equal and Dan choi now haev the news media upset that the police prevented them from filming Choi’s recent arrest. They are starting to question what the White House has to hide etc… the best way to get the news on your side is to have somebody make them feel that they aren’t important. So thank you White House and Capital Police.

      Apr 21, 2010 at 10:35 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • David Cornish
      David Cornish

      We don’t need COVERAGE, we need SUPPORT. We need people to join us, not avoid us. Irritating people is not a strategy.

      GetEqual is based on the principle that complaining gets rewarded. It does not.

      Apr 21, 2010 at 10:37 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • delurker again
      delurker again

      @Cam: OMG ITS A CONSPIRACY!!!

      Apr 21, 2010 at 10:39 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Bill Perdue
      Bill Perdue

      Zaps are good, but mass marches are much, much better.

      Apr 21, 2010 at 10:56 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Cam
      Cam

      Delurker and David.

      Joke about a conspiracy, but in ANY article about Get Equal you two have come in and posted MULTIPLE times the same strident message over and over. That is forum bombing and regular posters don’t do it.

      Apr 21, 2010 at 11:08 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • delurker again
      delurker again

      @Cam: Why are you trying to chill my speech on a public message forum? I can post wherever and whatever I want, within the rules of this site. You questioning my right to do so sounds kinda–fascist!

      Apr 21, 2010 at 11:15 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • leanleft
      leanleft

      They are obviously going the Code Pink route, and we all know Code Pink has stopped the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq.

      Knowing that ENDA mark up is on the agenda- this looks like a shameless attempt to be able to say that, when the mark up happens, it was because of the pressure of Get Equal.

      Apr 21, 2010 at 11:17 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • James UK
      James UK

      @David Cornish:

      Dan Choi and GetEqual are agitating for an end to legalised discrimination.

      Your trolling, however, is merely irritating.

      And just as ineffectual as Gay Inc in repealing DADT, DOMA and passing ENDA.

      And whilst GetEqual’s current actions might not immediately succeed, they are currently more effective in pushing the issues further up the agenda on Capitol Hill than any of HRC’s recent “applause”.

      Apr 21, 2010 at 11:22 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Fitz
      Fitz

      Being pleasant hasn’t worked. Like the old 60′s song says: “There are nicer ways to do things, but the nice ways always fail”.

      Apr 21, 2010 at 11:26 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • David Cornish
      David Cornish

      The GetEqual misfits just want attention. They have romanticized the idea of being an “activist.”

      If GetEqual wants to be effective, they must show us how these publicity stunts create support for our effort to obtain equality. Complaining is easy – convincing people to join us takes a little thought. These stunts are thoughtless.

      If Cam is so eager to cheerlead for GetEqual, perhaps he can explain exactly HOW these stunts garner support for the LGBT Movement.

      Apr 21, 2010 at 11:28 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • David Cornish
      David Cornish

      @Fitz: It’s 2010. Try to catch up, the world has changed. Tactics and strategies should, too.

      Apr 21, 2010 at 11:29 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Cam
      Cam

      No. 9 · delurker again said…
      @Cam: Why are you trying to chill my speech on a public message forum? I can post wherever and whatever I want, within the rules of this site. You questioning my right to do so sounds kinda–fascist!
      __________

      So lets see, dissagreeing with you is fascist? Did you learn that in your little class on how to sway opinions on blogs? (Just call them fascist and it will shut them up) yeah, nice try.
      —————–
      No. 13 · David Cornish said…

      If Cam is so eager to cheerlead for GetEqual, perhaps he can explain exactly HOW these stunts garner support for the LGBT Movement.

      On another post I pointed out many examples of when action like this got results. Why don’t you show me some examples of where sitting quiet and smiling got legislation moving on a controversial issue.

      Apr 21, 2010 at 11:37 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • kaustic
      kaustic

      These tactics and strategies have not only turned the focus of LGBT issues into a national topic (something HRC struggles to do any given day), they also turn bring that focus to many queers and allies. The tactics create a rightful sense of urgency.

      Let’s face it. The actions have cause us to talk about the issues. We’re addressing the many avenues that exist to get these bills/laws passed. We’re getting involved with whatever path works for us. The conversation is finally happening because a few people are taking a stand and asking all involved—Gay Inc, civilians and politicians—to get it done. These few are holding ALL OF US accountable for apathy and passive aggression.

      HRC’s stickers don’t do that. Their blogs don’t do that. They’re lobbying doesn’t do that. THIS IS GRASSROOTS and it’s *activating* conversations, individuals, and politicians… And, it’s about damned time!

      Human lives, careers, and families are jeopardized and shamed every day. Now is the time for our community to get involved and ensure our generation and the next generation are equal!

      Apr 21, 2010 at 11:39 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • delurker again
      delurker again

      @Cam: You’re not only questioning what I say. You are also questioning why I am replying to a certain topic. Er, because I have an opinion on it–just like you.

      Apr 21, 2010 at 11:42 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Jon
      Jon

      GetEQUAL is covering an angle we need. WE NEED HRC doing their behind the door throw money at it crap nice photos stuff, we need the legal teams like Lambda Legal and we need GetEQUAL raising hell and getting us in the minds of the citizens of this great nation! Love all three angles and you will have a proper civil rights movement. Check your history books!

      Apr 21, 2010 at 11:44 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Cam
      Cam

      @No. 17 · delurker again

      Hey Delurker…you refused to respond to this post in the other post…so here it is on this one, In that post you said……

      ..No. 28 · David Cornish, said.
      Thankfully, most of the media ignored this silly publicity stunt.

      It’s just childish behavior based on the principle that “complaining gets rewarded.” It does not.
      ___________________

      Thats funny, lets take a look at your theory here.

      1. The Mattachine society was polite and asked for gays to be treated better. Nothing changed….the Stone Wall rebellion happened and gay bars in NYC stopped getting raided and let to protective laws.

      2. Gay organizations asked for approval on AIDS related drugs to be sped up….nothing happened. ACT-UP and Queer Nation responded by protests, vandalism etc… and the FDA cut years off of the approval time.

      3. Barney Frank was saying that gays needed to be quiet and that the gay community was “Whiny” that no legislation was going to be done soon, to wait, and he refused to co-sponsor a bill introduced to repeal Don’t Ask don’t Tell…….gays started to boycott his fundraiser for the DNC, gays marched into DC. And now…Frank is pushing for ENDA and a DADT repeal sooner rather than later.

      4. HRC and other organizations origionally were opposed to lawsuits to bring about gay marriage, saying that lobbying was the way. People sued anyway…we now have Marriage in several states.

      So again, please tell me again how in your opinion the squeaky wheel never gets the grease? I love fairy tales.

      Apr 21, 2010 at 11:45 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Cam
      Cam

      No. 13 · David Cornish
      The GetEqual misfits just want attention.
      _______________________

      Those are the EXACT words that the idiots in Mississippi used to attack Constance…the lesbian girl who wanted to go to her Prom. They kept claiming that she “Just Wanted Attention.” Hmmmmmm, odd coincidence that you would use their exact terminology to attack a gay group isn’t it?

      Apr 21, 2010 at 11:47 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Bill Perdue
      Bill Perdue

      @David Cornish: What mindless drivel.

      How has the ‘world changed’ in a way that negates the historically proven effectiveness or protests and demonstrations?

      What are these ‘new’ strategies never before seen before in the 7,000 year recorded history of humankind? What devilishly new and uber effective strategies and tactics have you come up with to mortify the bigots.

      Are your tactics as wacky as those of that idiot who calls himself (picking from his long list of aliases) AndrewW which consist of hugging christers and begging for their acceptance?

      Instead of mindless carping while others act explain why activists are wrong. And try, just this once, to back up your whining with facts and citations, not your usual vacuous opinions.

      What is your real agenda. What’s your real reason for opposing militant actions by the GLBT communities?

      Whose interests profit from your agenda calling for an end to protests, demonstrations, mass marchers and demands for full equality?

      [img]http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1177/927154422_3eddeae308.jpg[/img]

      Apr 21, 2010 at 11:49 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • David Cornish
      David Cornish

      @Cam:
      @Jon:
      @Bill Perdue:

      The ENDA Bill was ALREADY scheduled for markup. Bringing the Chairman a “marker because he couldn’t afford one” is just childish.

      Apr 21, 2010 at 11:58 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Bill Perdue
      Bill Perdue

      @David Cornish: Answer my questions, Cornish. And Cam’s.

      Whose side are you on.

      Apr 21, 2010 at 12:02 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • David Cornish
      David Cornish

      @Bill Perdue: I am on the side of thinking before acting. GetSqueaky is not.

      Apr 21, 2010 at 12:05 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Cam
      Cam

      No. 22 · David Cornish
      @Cam:
      @Jon:
      @Bill Perdue:

      The ENDA Bill was ALREADY scheduled for markup. Bringing the Chairman a “marker because he couldn’t afford one” is just childish.
      _______________

      It wasn’t even talked about BEFORE the march and other activities such as this. So don’t try to act like “Hey, things were fine before.” Things were not fine before, the only reason that ENDA is on the boards today is because the gay community started agitating. But then again, you already knew that didn’t you.

      Apr 21, 2010 at 12:08 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Cam
      Cam

      Oh, and by the way, you still haven’t responded to the numerous examples I have you in Post number 19…..still waiting for your response.

      Apr 21, 2010 at 12:09 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Bill Perdue
      Bill Perdue

      @David Cornish: No. you’re not.

      By opposing actions from the mass March on Washington to zaps you put yourself on the side of the bigots.

      Apr 21, 2010 at 12:12 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • David Cornish
      David Cornish

      ENDA was first introduced in 1974 by Bella Abzug and ed Koch. It has been unable to garner enough support in the US Congress for the past 36 years. There is nothing “new” about that.

      ENDA needs votes, not childish publicity stunts.

      GetSqueaky isn’t changing any minds/votes with their “demands,” in fact all they’re doing is making us look like idiots.

      Apr 21, 2010 at 12:26 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Cam
      Cam

      @No. 28 · David Cornish

      Two things.

      1. Don’t try to change the subject on ENDA, it was not scheduled to be voted on this year until these “Childish Antics” as you call them.

      2. You keep ignoring all the examples I gave you in post #19 of all the other times when these “Childish Antics” worked. Far be it from me to confront your opinion with facts. But you are so sure of your opinion that refuting all those examples should be easy for you shouldn’t it?

      Apr 21, 2010 at 12:28 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Bill Perdue
      Bill Perdue

      @David Cornish: Are you now, or have you ever been… an Obot?

      To ask the question is to answer it.

      Apr 21, 2010 at 12:32 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • David Cornish
      David Cornish

      Many people in the LGBT Community understand how silly GetSqueaky is:

      http://www.thecamilopost.com/

      Apr 21, 2010 at 1:16 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Shawn
      Shawn

      It is quite interesting to me how similar the present situation is to the time when the Stonewall riots happened. I was just typing a response to a comment and it hit me.

      In case you don’t know the history let me fill you in. Back in the 1960′s before the riot Gay Inc was trying to make Lesbians and Gays (Bi’s and Trans weren’t apart of the movement at the time) look like the straights. They would picket, but men had to wear suits and women had to wear skirts and there was no hand holding allowed…no showing your “gayness”.

      After the riots, everything changed. We weren’t some secret organization anymore…we were free to be as we were. However, Gay Inc still wanted their nice pickets. Still no hand holding and nice straight lines. After Stonewall, about 10 picketing couples organized to hold hands during their picketing. Gay Inc tried to stop it, then eventually gave in saying that the media attention that it got (because it was so taboo) was getting the attention needed.

      HRC being pretty much the face of Gay Inc is still trying to make us be who we aren’t. Suits and ties only, no real affection on camera, and don’t be too gay. GetEqual is bringing attention back to our cause.

      I’m sorry with to all you naysayers but I’m Gay and it took me entirely too long in my life to finally admit that. I shouldn’t have to wait in line for my rights…nobody should. There is a reason why we study history, because it often repeats itself.

      Martin Luthar King Jr. and Gandhi didn’t go to Gala events and not sacrifice anything to get their rights. They sacrificed everything so that their children could have the same rights and have a better future. We need to do something because suits and ties still aren’t working…they haven’t for over 40 years now, the sooner you realize that, the sooner we may actually be equal.

      Apr 21, 2010 at 1:19 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Cam
      Cam

      No. 31 · David Cornish
      Many people in the LGBT Community understand how silly GetSqueaky is:

      http://www.thecamilopost.com/
      __________________________

      LOL!!!!!!!!! Oh thank you for that!!! LOL!!!

      Again David…2 things.

      1. Just how is your linking to some blog post by one person who agrees with you proof that “The LGBT Community Agrees with you.”?

      2. you still haven’t responded to all the examples I gave you in Post #19 showing when actions like Get Equals worked. This is not the first time I’ve asked for a response to that post. Whats wrong? No way to refute them?

      Apr 21, 2010 at 1:32 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • David Cornish
      David Cornish

      @Cam: Your references are historical, from a different time, different issues and a different world. Grow up.

      Instead of suggesting our struggle is just like previous struggles, please just provide some rationale for these silly stunts. Provide the logic for how they garner support for our community.

      Look at the various LGBT Blogs – the only people applauding these silly stunts are the ones DOING them. They are trying to raise money for their new charity.

      Apr 21, 2010 at 2:02 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Joey
      Joey

      I love it. I really think that this is attention we need. I hope they keep going back and chaining themselves up with more and more people each and every time. I personally think the more people in uniform (some of the most respected people/citizens of this country) the general public sees willing to sacrifice their military careers towards this injustice is only for good. What would be better is to see some straight allies up there with them, and a big ‘ol piece in the Post or Times about “The Married Hetero with kids who locked him/herself to the W.H. Fence, along side numberous others, in order to stand for whats right & fair, & just for this countries citizens. Equality.” would be awesome. It’ll happen, and has the potential to be an eye-opening piece for people.
      So to this I say, more with the protests and civil disobedience and marches, and should we need them, the riots. Attention, and constant attention, is totally the way to go! Who cares if “people don’t like it” or how we went about it…people don’t like me and I totally don’t give a shit. Too much bark in this community and not nearly enought bite. I am personally grateful for the GetEqual, Inc. team for what they’re doing…if I was remotely even close to D.C., I’d have BEGGED to go along. It’s about doing what you can, folks. I’m not a polititian with access to members of congress or Senate to hound about my rights…I’m a hardworking, tax-paying US citizen that has to get by with what they have. Me.

      All of you “Nay-sayers” are all quick to bitch about this not working, yet NOT ONE of you have come up with a plausible idea on what will…or you’re a bot for Gay, Inc. and you still think after all this time that lobbying is the way to go. Lobbying hasn’t worked all this time while “the Gays” have sat quiet and patient. Pull your head out of your ass and stop being a puppet for the man. Fucking get your ass up and do something already. Jesus H.

      Apr 21, 2010 at 2:17 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • David Cornish
      David Cornish

      @Joey: Please explain HOW it helps us. It’s clear you are a cheerleader, but pom-poms aren’t enough. How does this help us?

      Apr 21, 2010 at 2:46 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Cam
      Cam

      No. 34 · David Cornish
      @Cam: Your references are historical, from a different time, different issues and a different world. Grow up.

      Instead of suggesting our struggle is just like previous struggles, please just provide some rationale for these silly stunts. Provide the logic for how they garner support for our community.

      Look at the various LGBT Blogs – the only people applauding these silly stunts are the ones DOING them. They are trying to raise money for their new charity.
      _________-

      No I get to disect your response.

      1. you keep saying that Get Equals actions will never work. I provided you with several examples in Post #19 where similar actions worked. Your response is that those were historical. So by that logic, you could argue against ANYTHING, because if something happened yesterday it’s hisotrical. What you did NOT do is provide any reasoning as to why tactics that worked over decades, suddenly according to you won’t work, nor have you given any examples of what kind of tactics you think will work and any examples to back them up.

      2. You then try to ignore the examples I provided you and use the old trick of pretending to ask for proof. i.e. your sentance of “Provide the logic for how they garner support for our community.” Well gee, thats funny, because..once again, I provided you with that very thing in Post #19.

      3. Lastly, you tried to link to one persons personal blog as proof that the entire LGBT community agrees with you. I told you this didn’t prove anything…rather than coming back with any kind of proof you just stated “Look at the various LGBT Blogs – the only people applauding these silly stunts are the ones DOING them.” …. Well thats funny David…because if they were so easy to find, you should have had no trouble providing links to them…which you didn’t.

      I can draw one simple conclusion. You are an anti-gay person, or somebody from HRC in here with the sole purpose of attacking this group. The reason being, most people on this blog are open to discussion…if somebody provides evidence that something they are saying may be open for discussion people here will usually at least look at the evidence. Not only have you refused to even acknoledge such evidence until prodded multiple times, you then try to doge and misdirect into another subject after. I have to ask, why are you so freakishly wedded to your position that you would behave like that? Ohhhhhhh because you have an interest in trying to get your opinion out there. And who would have the most to gain by doing that? Somebody either from HRC or an anti-gay person. I’m leaning towards anti-gay since your little buddy “DeLurker” signed off as soon as I pointed out that he was using the same language as people in Mississippi used to attack the girl wanting to attend prom.

      Apr 21, 2010 at 2:50 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Sam
      Sam

      @David Cornish: “Instead of suggesting our struggle is just like previous struggles, please just provide some rationale for these silly stunts. Provide the logic for how they garner support for our community.”

      Dude, we don’t NEED any more support. All the way back in 2001 a Gallup poll found that 85% of Americans support ENDA. We just need to get Democrats in Congress to get off their asses and DO IT.

      I work for one of the “Gay, Inc.” organizations and I think we need MORE people doing stuff like this. Congress needs to know that we’re pissed off and that we expect them to do something NOW.

      Apr 21, 2010 at 3:03 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Steve
      Steve

      Lessons can be learned from history, or not. History is a very good teacher, but only if you are willing to learn.

      The history of civil rights movements is clear. As long as the oppressed minority is willing to sit quietly and ask politely, nothing is done. When the oppressed minority starts making noise and taking actions that make the politicians uncomfortable, things get done. The only way the politicians can avoid doing something is if the oppressed minority becomes violent. Non-violent, strident, noisy, vocal, and news-worthy actions get attention, and that attention is what causes politicians to take action.

      Just in the last year and a half, several very small advances have occurred for gay rights. The Mathew Shepard act was passed, AFTER vocal demonstrations. President Obama promised to repeal DADT, after very vocal demonstrations. President Obama most recently asked the Medicare administration to make a new rule that would benefit gay couples, AFTER very vocal demonstrations. Those advances are extremely small, tiny things, in comparison to what was promised by our Fierce Advocate, but they are advances none the less.

      Nonviolent, but Loud, Vocal, Obvious, In-Your-Face, demonstration works because it is embarrassing to the politicians. The nonviolent part is very important, because then they do not have an excuse to just arrest the people and turn the demonstration against them.

      Let us continue embarrassing them. It is clearly the only way to get them to actually act.

      We have an MCC church, and a couple UCC churches in Washington. What would happen if they started doing WEDDINGS on the front steps of the Capital, every day or every week, with thousands of people in attendance for each one? During the homily, the preacher could announce the state that the two grooms (brides) came from, and talk about the Senators from that state.

      Apr 21, 2010 at 6:00 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • jamison
      jamison

      @David Cornish: Can’t restrain myself anymore, everyone of your last ignorant unqualified opinion posts about get equal pisses me off. YES WE DO have something to learn from history, activism executed by groups like get equal does expedite results. One of my favorite justifications for civil protest- “Letter from Birmingham Jail” absolutely brilliant and 100% relevant to today.

      also at Delurker: “You questioning my right to do so sounds kinda–fascist”
      wow. you sound a little bit like a tea bagger throwing words like that around. i’ll be the first one to accurately call that you’re a conservative gay bashing troll.

      Apr 21, 2010 at 11:22 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·

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