“In the wake of a sometimes bitter, and ultimately successful, campaign to ban same-sex marriage in California, leaders of the Mormon church are calling for civility and kindness from those on both sides of the issue… Salt Lake City-based church elder L. Whitney Clayton says the church is genuinely concerned about the emotional divide created by the gay marriage issue and says he hopes people will treat each other with civility and respect.” [KESQ]
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Jolly
How does one civilly and respectfully say “fuck off”?
fredo777
Yeah… that’s not gonna happen, chief.
Fuck you + the high horse you rode in on, L.W.
gayinsf
Fuck you, Mormon Church!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The Milkman
Oh fuck you, you disgusting bigot. I hope you get hit by a bus. I’ll wear a red dress to your funeral, you asshole.
You can take that “church elder” position you’re so fond of lording over everybody and stick it up your Mormon-rimming ass.
Wolf
Man I think there should be a PUSH for for the Mormon Chuch to lose Tax Exempt Status since they blatantly preached and pished a Political Agenda and for Poligimy Laws to be enforced especially in AZ
Tony
They are afraid of the coming BOYCOTT! Americablog and others are planning a boycott on:
1) Utah businesses
2) Mormon owned and lead companies and corporations
They are about to be HIT HARD in the wallet.
Remember, our boycotts of Coors etc. have been highly successful. NO GAY DOLLARS TO BIGOTS!
REBELComx
So the creator of the most virulently anti-gay, hateful, and dishonest campaign in American history wants civility and kindness? HA!
Why hasn’t someone shoved his magic underwear down his throat yet?
ricardo
THe anger of the gay community will be felt, this is outrageous and this country needs to do something about these large masses of people legally discriminating against others.
Tim
Jolly, you tell them that, you do not judge them and the decisions that they’ve made in their adult personal relationship with God, that some of your best friends are Mormons and they have simply made a lifestyle choice that isn’t a choice that you have made for yourself. And that you are not going to judge people.
at least that’s what I hear when people say something along those lines
Jan Stapel
How about protesting Mormon weddings. It is a perfectly legal form of free speech and it will ruin many a special day…
Make them taste their own medicine!
michael
Yes, and my job is to make sure Canadians are informed of these pig fuckers. They have build enemies like never before seen. Donnie and Marie can’t even save them from the wrath of gays. It is time to FIGHT! This is now war and we must become a force to be dealt with. I know a lot of gay folk live in California, but we must make know all organizations, all business that helped to vote this in. We also need to deal with Florida, I have a tendency to say so what, its actually a red neck state and who cares but California showed itself to be as bad. So here we go folks, let us energize ourselves and prepare for battle.
Ben
WHAT
Ben
Also, I agree. We need to organize now. Now.
Gerard Priori
Yet another superstitious boob who wants to have his Jesus and eat it, too. I have no respect for Mormon beliefs. It’s bad enough that their religion is transparently false (only an IDIOT can believe Joseph Smith was anything but a con man–the evidence is everywhere to be found), but like the so-called mainstream xians, their religion is vile and reprehensible, too.
Don’t fuck with my civil rights and we’ll talk about being civil. This moron, I mean Mormon (same thing) has some gall.
Jason
He’s just afraid of a backlash against the Mormons. He’s right to be afraid of it.
Dale
“…says he hopes people will treat each other with civility and respect.”
I certainly will – with all of the “civility and respect” you mormons had in your disgusting, hateful, lie-filled commercials.
DIE IN A FIRE YOU PIECE OF HATEFUL SHIT.
Oh wait, did I just write that? My sincere apologies.
AJC
Blame Brigham Young, not Joseph Smith, for Mormon homophobia.
Read the book “Same-Sex Dynamics among Nineteenth-Century Mormons” by D. Michael Quinn.
Joseph Smith was not at all homophobic. In a funeral address delivered in 1843 at Nauvoo, Illinois, he gave comfort to a survivor of one Lorenzo Barns who had died while serving a mission in Great Britain. The Prophet noted that Brother Barns’ “very friend” was present in the congregation that day (Feliz p. 3). Attempting to enlighten the congregation on a particular principle of the resurrection, he is quoted as saying:
” . . . to bring it to the understanding, it would be upon the same principle as though two who were vary friends [sic] indeed should lie down upon the same bed at night locked in each other’s embrace talking of their love[,] and should awake in the morning together[.][T]hey could immediately renew their conversation of love even while rising from their bed[,] but if they were alone [and] in separate partments[,] they could not as readily salute each other as though they were together . . . ”
See:
http://www.mmdnewswire.com/book-of-mormon-sealed-portion-condones-gay-marriage-early-christianity-supported-gay-relationships-3918-2.html
John
What??
burton21
Yes, I’m sure if Proposition 8 had NOT passed that the Mormon church would be “genuinely concerned about the emotional divide.”
Its fine if you don’t want to support civil rights, but don’t feed the press these lies and bullshit sympathies. I invite the Mormons to collectively suck it.
Ben
Seriously, does anyone know where I can contact them? I’m trying to find an email address right now. We need more response than just comments on a blog.
Dave
Come on Queers…get up off your comfortable asses and do something! This pig just set us back 10 years and he has the nerve to ask for civility. Put up or shut up…if you want to continue to ride in the back of the bus by all means do nothing, or organize and lets show these fuckers they have messed with the wrong faggots!
Gerard Priori
Here’s a link to this asshole’s biography from a goddamn Mormon site:
http://newsroom.lds.org/ldsnewsroom/eng/background-information/leader-biographies/elder-l-whitney-clayton
charles
I love how Churchill can’t be bothered to come into this thread.
Steve
The Mormon church was completely and absolutely unwilling to be civil or kind to us. I have never seen any “Christian” so full of hate, or so willing to harm their neighbors.
They spent lots of money on that political issue. We should file complaints to the IRS concerning their tax exemptions.
Gerard Priori
The LDS site has a link for “Feedback”:
http://www.lds.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?vgnextoid=3e920fd41d93b010VgnVCM1000004d82620aRCRD&locale=0&hideNav=true
I suggest EVERYONE use it.
shivadog
Fuck being civil and fuck the mormon church.
CHURCHILL-Y
Call the blacks to protect you GRAND POOBAH Clayton, they were your allies in instituting discrimination in California.
BLACKS SHOULD BE ABLE TO HAVE YOUR BACK!
CHANGE ’08
Ben
Definitely just wrote in the feedback section. Thanks Gerard. I urge everyone else to do so. Speak your mind and respond. It affects everyone and we should really send our reactions directly to the source.
Nellie Danica
You deny other people’s civil rights and expect them to be civil ? How condescending ! If the gay community and its supporters choose to be civil, it will be because of their own self-respect, not because a bunch of bigots asked them to.
Rock
The Mormons can kiss my gay ass!
Paul Raposo
gayinsf
That name looks vaguely like the name mentioned in the email sent out by Matt Barber; he was scottinsf.
You Lynchburg boys need to come up with some original names.
Andrew, track down this poster’s IP addy and post the info. Let’s see where its from.
JJJJ
Why not a gay protest march through South Central L.A. over Prop 8 ? (lol)
Bob
Not that I am encouraging this or in any way calling for violence against Mormons, but I sure wouldn’t shed a tear if someone blew up their palatial temple here in L.A. with thousands of those asshole bigots inside it. Not that I’m encouraging it or calling for it, mind you.
CHURCHILL-Y
“gay protest march through South Central L.A. over Prop 8′
^ Fuck yeah, but let’s avoid:
Baldwin Hills
Baldwin Village
Baldwin Vista[citation needed]
Compton
Crenshaw
Crenshaw-Imperial
Eastside
Hyde Park
Ladera Heights
Leimert Park
Morningside Park
North Inglewood
North Long Beach
Newton
Watts
West Athens
West Compton
Westmont
View Park-Windsor Hills
You know we don’t want to offend the residents there!
JJJJ
I sure won’t hold my breath waiting for that one, Churchill-y. Gay protestors only crowd together in groups to scream at those who won’t shoot at them.
Dale
Thanks, Gerard. Here’s what I wrote to them:
“In the wake of a sometimes bitter, and ultimately successful, campaign to ban same-sex marriage in California, leaders of the Mormon church are calling for civility and kindness from those on both sides of the issue… Salt Lake City-based church elder L. Whitney Clayton says the church is genuinely concerned about the emotional divide created by the gay marriage issue and says he hopes people will treat each other with civility and respect.”
L. Whitney Clayton
As a gay man I have to wonder if the elder is referring to the same “civility and kindness” afforded to me in those disgusting, hateful, lie-filled commercials I had to endure through the past few weeks. I especially liked the one with that poor little girl having to participate in one of the most bigoted pieces of video I’ve ever seen. I’m sure the elder saw no problem in this very public display of child abuse.
I know many of my brothers and sisters were hurt to the point of unrelenting tears, knowing their civil rights were stripped from them for good. Congratulations, mormons. Feel proud!
This actually doesn’t affect me, as I will never marry. However I feel I must support my brothers and sisters whom you have hurt so gleefully. My “civility and kindness” entails never generating one more cent of income to the state of Utah (I will miss Salt Lake) and any entity involved in the most hateful campaign against equality I have ever witnessed in my lifetime.
Once again, congratulations on a campaign of hatred that resulted in your victory. It entailed tens of millions of dollars from yourselves that I’m so elated you didn’t spend on the homeless, the needy and the hungry.
go away
You are a disgrace to the gay community, your comments hold no validity.
go away.
CHURCHILL-Y
No civility for the Mormon psycho loons then!?
Let me get with the program. We only reserve that for other backstabbers!
Right on!
DairyQueen
Are you fucking kidding me? FUCK YOU!
CHURCHILL-Y
Let’s March, and avoid certain areas.
YES WE CAN!
emb
We really need to strongly question the mormon’s (and the knights of columbus’s) tax exempt status after this shameless display of church financial power in the pursuit of a civil political agenda.
And we need to flood the Feedback URL that Gerard Priori (No. 25) so thoughtfully provided. And we might make use of the words so nicely phrased by Dale (No. 36).
And this vicious little mr clayton needs a good swift kick in his magic underwear.
Bob
Churchill-y — Obama won. Get it over it, Mary. And please seek some help for your very clear mental disorder.
rayrayj
Wow Churchilly. I don’t hear this much vile, hate filled, bullshit from my, redneck neighbors. Just a comment from a gay Southern Redneck; get yourself a therapist and get on some medication.
Way2Mad
Check out this site: http://www.mormonsstoleourrights.com/
Frank Davis
Wow, I can see that you exercise the same tolerance you expect everyone else to give you. All I read are mean, hate filled invectives. If you haven’t figured out that the reason you lost is your petulant and hate filled behavior, then you will never get the voters sympathy.
Rock
Boycott UTAH and Marriott Hotels!
Paul Raposo
If you haven’t figured out that the reason you lost is your petulant and hate filled behavior…?i>
Remind us again, Frank, who wants to codify bigotry in Cali’s constitution. You’ve spent millions to tear families apart. That is pure, unadulterated hate and your God will punish you.
CHURCHILL-Y
No hate in me, I’m a pacifist.
And I’m all for a peaceful non-violent march so long as we avoid those areas I pointed out. I don’t want anyone to get offended by our presence, especially since it is now no secret(it never was actually) how much contempt those residents have for us likewise we should have the same respect for Mormons.
CHANGE ’08
Frank Davis
Well, Paul, there was never a right for gays to marry in the Constitution. If you’ll do your history, you’ll see that gays in the time the California constitution was written were ridiculed, beaten, and looked upon as deviants. Today, gays have legal protection, domestic partner rights, and in some cases, preferential treatment. But sneaking around the backdoor of an activist judge insatead of going through the legislative process to amend the constitution was wrong, and the voters said so. There is no intent to hurt anyone, but it shouldn’t have been allowed in the first place.
Jennifer
FUCK HIM and everyone that supported this disgusting measure and is supportin it here. Honestly, you don’t even understand what the problem is with it. How about your rights being taken away, you sacks of shit!
Bob
Fuck you, Frank, and your yeast-infected cunt wife.
Bob
Let’s go after the only things Mormons truly care about (other than having multiple wives) — their money — by working to get their tax-exempt status taken away and boycotting every Mormon-owned business.
Jason
It’s time to start speaking with your wallet. Here’s a list of mormon owned/run companies:
http://whoaremormons.blogspot.com/2008/07/companies-owned-andor-operated-by.html
Don’t give me bullshit about having miles saved up with JetBlue or a bunch of points with Marriott or a cool Amex. Simply stop using the damn things and take your gay money somewhere else. Somewhere that won’t turn around and use it against you.
Also, don’t buy the new Killers album. Lead vocalist Brandon Flowers is a devout Muslim and has given only the most tepid support of gays and refused to speak directly about Proposition 8. Since this is a culture war, we need to start fighting it on cultural fronts.
Chris
Activist judge? It’s time the US abandons the common law system and finally gives up stare decisis.
psy
@44:
Nice link. It would be good to have more like it, specifically to organize direct activism (faux gay marriage re-enactment protests, etc) against the LDS church in it’s entirity, at least until they apologize and promise to help work to undo the damage they’ve done. Anonymous has pressured the Church of Scientology into a powerless footnote using similar tactics.
akaison
Civility only exists in the context of equality. Without it, there is revolution.
Mark
http://www.mormonsstoleourrights.com/
Sign the petition.
psy
Lets do to the Mormons what Anonymous have been doing to the Scientology monthly for almost a year now:
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x4dcig_road-to-february-10-2008-final-vers_politics
Make sure their kids know about gay marriage. It’s what they were trying to prevent, anyway, so let’s make sure their worst fears come true.
Paul Raposo
Well, Paul, there was never a right for gays to marry in the Constitution.
And there was never one saying we could not, until the anti-gay forces stepped forward.
If you’ll do your history, you’ll see that gays in the time the California constitution was written were ridiculed, beaten, and looked upon as deviants.
So were Catholics, Jews, Blacks, Mexicans, women and anyone else who was not white, male, and Protestant. Should we create Propositions banning all these as well?
Today, gays have legal protection, domestic partner rights, and in some cases, preferential treatment.
Some legal protections, since not all states hate hate crime laws; gay panic is still considered a fair defense in gay killings. And there are no federal protections for non federal employess; and we cannot serve openly in the military.
Now please tell me, what preferential treatment do we get?
But sneaking around the backdoor of an activist judge insatead of going through the legislative process to amend the constitution was wrong,
What?
We used the courts, just like all the times anti-gay Christians used the courts to get what you want.
Republican appointed judges decided Cali was breaking the law and fixed it. They eliminated hate, you enshrined it.
and the voters said so. There is no intent to hurt anyone, but it shouldn’t have been allowed in the first place.
If nothing tragic had happened since the first marriage took place, then no harm had come from equal marriage. But you anti-gay “Christians” would not leave us in peace and attacked us using millions of dollars and hate filled commercials.
You say you respect families and want to protect families. You have torn apart over 18,000 families. Admit it, Frank, you only want to protect certain families–straight ones. Damn the rest.
Whatsoever you do to the least of My brothers, Frank. You will be punished when you face your Maker. Live with that.
Paul Raposo
…Brandon Flowers is a devout Muslim…
Jason, I think you meant to write devout Mormon.
Jason
WHOOPS, Yes I did. He’s a devout MORMON.
Kid A
@ 53 Jason:
I thought Brandon Flowers was a devout Mormon? I read an interview with him about it.
Thanks for the link, I totally am with you.
CaliforniaConstitutionalLawyer
RE UNDERSTANDING CA CONSTITUTIONAL JURISPRUDENCE
If you want to understand the law here read this post.
Quotes from Glenn Greenwald (a former noted ACLU attorney and present well known writer on civil rights and liberties issues) on the meeting of the CA gay marriage decision as a counter to the reaction conservative judicial activism we are seeing along this thread:
http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2008/05/15/california/
The case “was based solely on its legal analysis of past precedent interpreting the relevant provisions of the state Constitution (emphasis in original):
‘[O]ur task in this proceeding is not to decide whether we believe, as a matter of policy, that the officially recognized relationship of a same-sex couple should be designated a marriage rather than a domestic partnership, but instead only to determine whether the difference in official names of the relationships violates the California Constitution.’
Only after exhaustively analyzing California judicial precedent on these constitutional questions — over the course of 121 pages — did the Court conclude that the state statute “limiting the designation of a marriage to a union ‘between a man and a woman’ is unconstitutional and must be stricken from the statute.”
Part of the case law use in the over 100 page document was the decisions regarding CA race based discrimination regarding marriage.
He continues:
“The crux of the Court’s ruling is grounded in what it called “the right of two adults who share a loving relationship to join together to establish an officially recognized family of their own — and, if the couple chooses, to raise children within that family.”
That right “constitutes a vitally important attribute of the fundamental interest in liberty and personal autonomy that the California Constitution secures to all persons.” The Court rejected a “separate-but-equal” arrangement for same-sex and opposite-sex couples — where only the latter can enter into “marriage” — because:
‘affording same-sex couples only a separate and differently named family relationship will, as a realistic matter, impose appreciable harm on same-sex couples and their children, because denying such couples access to the familiar and highly favored designation of marriage is likely to cast doubt on whether the official family relationship of same sex couples enjoys dignity equal to that of of opposite-sex couples, [. . . and] assigning a different designation for the family relationship of same sex couples . . . poses at least a serious risk of denying the family relationship of same-sex couples such equal dignity and respect.’
The court is, in other words, basing its decision on fundamental rights under the CA Constitution, not just on gay marriage as a policy issue. This is why this case maybe a good one.
I cut and paste his core anlaysis below:
“(1) No rational person can criticize the Court’s decision here without having at least a basic understanding of the governing California precedents. Anyone who condemns this ruling without having that understanding will be demonstrating a profound ignorance of — and contempt for — how the law works.
As the Court made clear, whether someone believes that “marriage” should include same-sex couples is completely irrelevant. It is equally irrelevant whether one believes that the U.S. Constitution can be read to require same-sex marriages. There is one issue, and only one issue, that matters here: are the provisions of the California State Constitution, in light of how they have been interpreted by that state’s Supreme Court in prior decisions, violated by the exclusion of same-sex couples from the legal institution of “marriage”?
To be able to answer that question, one must have read and understood the key cases on which the Court relied, such as Perez v. Sharp (1948), Brown v. Merlo (1973) and numerous others. For reasons I’ve written about before, anyone who criticizes the Court’s decision without reference to California constitutional law is engaged in rank sophistry or, to use a more familiar term, pure “judicial activism” (i.e., judging a constitutional question based on one’s preferred outcome rather than the requirements of binding constitutional law). Put another way, those who criticize the Court here of “judicial activism” without bothering to familiarize themselves with relevant California constitutional law are themselves engaged in the purest, and lowest, form of “judicial activism.”
(2) Equally misinformed will be anyone arguing that this is some sort of an example of judges “overriding” the democratic will of the people. The people of California, through their representatives in the State legislature, twice approved a bill to provide for the inclusion of same-sex couples in their “marriage” laws, but both times, the bill was vetoed by California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger, who said when he vetoed it that he believed “it is up to the state Supreme Court” to decide the issue.
Polls have found substantial support for gay marriage in California, with dramatic trends toward favoring gay marriage. While there was a referendum passed in 2000 limiting marriage only to opposite-sex couples, five years later (in 2005), California’s state legislature became the first in the country to enact a same-sex marriage law without a court order compelling them to do so. Thus, even leaving aside constitutional guarantees (which, in a constitutional republic, trump public opinion), today’s ruling is consistent with that state’s democratic processes and public opinion, not a subversion of it.
(4) The Court did not rule that California must allow same-sex couples the right to enter into “marriage.” It merely ruled that if the state allows opposite-sex couples to do so, then same-sex couples must be treated equally. The Court explicitly left open the possibility that the state could distinguish between “marriage” (as a religious institution) and “civil unions” (as a secular institution) — i.e., that California law could leave the definition of “marriage” to religious institutions and only offer and recognize “civil unions” for legal purposes — provided that it treated opposite-sex and same-sex couples equally. The key legal issue is equal treatment by the State as a secular matter, not defining “marriage” for religious purposes.
This is the core issue here as to marriage. If it is to remain a state based set of rights, then fundamental issues are abridged. The court will have to now determine whether it meant what it said in terms of such rights being fundamental.
I don’t know enough CA Con Law to answer this.
michael
I am all for taking action. But it has to be different than we have been doing. This low grade HRC type of bull shit has got us no place. They had the balls to send an e-mail to me last night taking credit for the Obama victory while not even mentioning what happened to gay people in the 4 states. I told them to go fuck themselves and never send me another e-mail. This other shit is just keeping me in a state of low grade depression and I cannot take it anymore. Show me where to fight and I am with you. I am tired of being a pussy. This is war.
andy_d
Michael:
You’re just NOW giving up on HRC? I switched my support to NGLTF way back in the 90’s!
paul
Nortell just announced that it is cutting 3000 to 5000 jobs as part of its restructuring. Russia has just placed short range missiles outside of Poland. America is going down people and it deserves it.
I just wish all gay people could get the fuck out of the rat hole and not go down with it.
christopher
I don’t know how to be any clearer:
FUCK YOU MORMONS AND FUCK YOU LDS!!!!!!
You very much have reason to worry!
CHURCHILL-Y
How the Mormons did this?
http://www.cbs2.com/video/[email protected]
CHURCHILL-Y
Darn them!
CHURCHILL-Y
CHANGE ’08
OBAMA ’08
reversion
Pride parades should be the place to start, by turning them all into modern Stonewalls. Let us march.
Let’s show them what the fags can do.
greybat
Thank you for posting that link. It felt good to sign the petition.
CHURCHILL-Y
Votes by race:
http://www.americablog.com/2008/11/its-official-nearly-20000-marriages-of.html
Phoenix (Who voted "NO" on 102 and Wants To Kick A Something Hard)
Tax payer revolt! No taxation without representation! Don’t like the fags? Don’t want to give them equal rights? Don’t take our money!
Boycott! Not one penny to those who would deny us our just desserts! Give your money to gay owned/gay supportive businesses! None to bigots!
Vote for candidates who walk the walk, not just talk the talk! NO LOYALTY TO ANY THAT DON’T!!! LGBT MAKE UP 6% OF CALIFORNIA’S POPULATION, MORMONS ONLY MAKE UP 2%! Our vote goes to those who will yank their tax exempt status!
Matt B
The Mormons can take their Scrabble boards and their family game nights and shove it up their ass.
Nothing but hate for the Mormon “Church.” Rot in hell, fuckers.
CHURCHILL-Y
Add 10% African Americans voting with the mormons and our votes are rendered ALMOST null.
An Other Greek
Homophobia IS an issue in the Black community, and it IS outrageous that such hate exists in a community that really ought to know better.
Poverty and religiousness often go together and the black community still fights to emancipate itself from mental slavery…
This needs to ba addressed, and all the more so now that Obama is president elect. I await vigilantly for him to lead, when time comes.
Still, I am more intrigued/disturbed/disgusted/outraged that such a demonstrably subversive group such as the Mormons are allowed the power we have given them.
This is a cult that is based on ridiculous supertitions that are laughable at best. It is time for the battle to begin.
They shit on diversity???
Let’s show them what it tastes like! Let’s show them what disrespect looks like! At least we will be justified in exposing their “faith-choice” insanity!
Magic Underwear?
Alien space travel?
Blacks black because of original sin scenarios?
FUCKING –Polygamists– telling ME who to marry???
Let the battle begin, and let’s show them what a culture war really is!
Bring it on!
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Sapphocrat
Dear L. Whitney Clayton:
Take that golden “Moroni” on top of the Salt Lake City temple and use it to go fuck yourself, and every member of your sick, bigoted cult of zombie drones. Sideways.
And that’s far more civility and respect than you deserve, asshole.
Buffy
You guys spent six months spreading viscous lies about us and pumped in $22million to eradicate our rights, and now you call for civility? How about we get together and ban your farked up bigoted cult of a religion and call it even? How’s that for civility?
Shove your book of Moron up your backside, preferably after setting it ablaze.
An Other Greek
soon,
the majority will be unable to pretend,
and will no longer want to pretend…
Homosexuality is of nature – Mormonism is a choice.
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Buffy
Frank,
We don’t hate you. It’s just that your religious lifestyle is unwholesome and detrimental. We love you, and that’s why we want to take away your rights and say bigoted, cruel, untrue things about you. It’s for your own good, the good of society, and for the sake of the children. Won’t somebody PLEASE think of the children?!?!
Now please go fornicate with yourself and stop pretending you deserve any tolerance where you give none whatsoever.
emb
Petitions are all well and good, and I’m all for screaming on Queerty, but here’s something we can all DO:
Here’s the URL to a site that shows how Quick-N-Easy it is to file a complaint with the IRS regarding the mormons violation of their 501(c)(3) tax exempt status. While you’re at it, you might also find similar documentation and file a complaint against the Knights of Columbus. It couldn’t hurt to flood the IRS with valid complaints using the government’s own process.
http://lds501c3.wordpress.com/2008/10/29/how-to-file-an-irs-501c3-complaint/
Let’s kick ’em where they live.
time2saygoodbye
This was the worst day of my life
I tried to make sense of my faith and and my soul
and neither balanced
tonight i sleep, deeper than ever before
for tonight i know the intent of religions hate and my hearts intent
I am born to love and live to die
CHURCHILL-Y
“Poverty and religiousness often go together and the black community still fights to emancipate itself from mental slavery…”
Brushed off, and that type of response is what enabled them to vote:
70% Yes on CA
71% Yes on FL
It’s easier to hate on 2% of Mormons(which I’m all for, don’t get me wrong) than to address the 7% of blacks who we have more than often sided and fought with side by side in their fights for equality.
mormanhater
Yeah so “concerned” that they piped MILLIONS OF DOLLARS into this crap, and have now caused people huge riffs amongst each other.
Thanks to them, neighbors hate each other, family members and friends are in turmoil amongst themselves over the division, and Now most gays i know including myself, are feeling HUGE resentment towards the BLACK and HISPANICS that fucked us over.
This shit ain’t over, it’s gonna get REAL UGLY. Todays Gays are ready to rumble. It’s on!
psy
Churchhilly:
Being black isn’t a choice, so you can’t blame them all for the actions of some (even a majority). Being Mormon, on the other hand, IS a choice, so yes, they can be blamed, especially when the black vote on it’s own wouldn’t have swayed the entire state. If the LDS church in Utah wasn’t flooding propoganda, lies (meaning the voters werne’t really giving their _informed_ consent), and millions of dollars in to CA, Prop 8 would have almost certainly been defeated, as the polls indicated prior to their interference. Yes, the LDS church is to blame for this and they deserve to be held accountable for their actions.
Do you just oppose anything anybody has to say here for the hell of it, always taking the opposite viewpoint because you enjoy being the center of attention?
psy
@mormonhater:
Remember informed consent. You can’t blame those who vote in ignorance. Don’t blame the Blacks or Hispanics (many of which have not had the same educational opportunities, etc.) as a whole for the actions of part of the group.
Blame the Mormons who manipulated that ignorance to their own ends, lying to do so. You can’t blame voters for choices they didn’t really consent to fully.
Bob
Chuchill-y — your racist bullshit needs to stop. Seriously. You make us all look like fucking idiots.
Zarotchi
My friends I am going to tell you something that you may laugh at, will certainly doubt, but please try to listen. I come to you as a spiritual healer with information that will have a great effect on your struggle. I know you are disheartened, I know you feel abused and that a great injustice has been done. But be hopeful.
Those who fight against you are fighting against themselves and the war is not with you but within them. In the next 24 months you are going to see things that will bring to light why these people are so against you. Remember, we live in a time where all things hidden are being revealed. Place your hope upon that.
These institutions are going to destroy themselves from within. There are great abuses regarding sex that they have partaken of and kept well hidden. But they are about to be shown. The exposure of the Catholic church and its crimes against children will pale in comparison to what has been happening within these
institutions. We are living in a time where all oppressive orders will fall. Again, I know you doubt me and that is understandable. But your doubt will not stop the exposure of great evils that will dumbfound all of humankind. Keep your chin up and hold your head high, for all of you have a special place in the creators heart. You were all endowed with special gifts and sensitivities and much of what you have endured have honed these gifts to be of service to all humanity. You are far more wonderful than you could ever know. Dwell upon this while the universe takes care of the rest. Grace is upon you and the light of heaven is guiding your way. Much love to you all.
tommy
fuck them… they should loose tax exempt as should all the churches who paid to make us second class.
ILOVEZ
It is very sad to see tehese people. Miserable people!
Wolf
Also since they push to change the Consitution of these states. WE should also PUSH to have these States enforce their existing Poligimy Laws which They do not.
tallskin
I see these fucking mormons walking around in London, and next time I see any of them I shall give them a piece of my mind in colourful language.
tallskin
I have also written to my MP, simon hughes, who is gay, and asked him if there is anyway the UK can penalise the Mormon church for its homophobic activities. ie take away its tax exemption.
(But I don’t hold out much hope!)
I shall also be sending a similar missive to my Euro MP, also gay, and ask a similar question.
psy
“The exposure of the Catholic church and its crimes against children will pale in comparison to what has been happening within these
institutions”
Are you talking about WWASP and other “Troubled Teen Industry” institutions?
greybat
@Zarotchi: Thank you, Zarotchi!
greybat
@time2saygoodbye: Remember, today is another day, and there are plenty of things to do. cheer up!
greybat
@emb: That’s a really useful link, and some interesting dialog on it as well. Thank you for posting it!