Who’s done more to document gay sexytime parties than any other LGBT documentarian of our time? Well, the answer, awkwardly, might be an anonymous right-wing blogger.
Despite his (or her) identity being a mystery, we can’t help but love Zombie. A Republicanish conservativeish straightish blogger, she (or he) has been chronicling the best and worst of San Francisco and the gays for several years.
His (or her) latest work: a delightful video of the Hunky Jesus contest, along with a photo essay and travelogue on Pajamas Media. You remember Pajamas Media, don’t you? Home of Joe the Plumber? So, yeah, it’s that kind of people.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gW6NM586-mE&feature=player_embedded
How about we take this to the next level?
Our newsletter is like a refreshing cocktail (or mocktail) of LGBTQ+ entertainment and pop culture, served up with a side of eye-candy.
And like a good pararazzi photographer who hides in the bushes to catch Renee Zellweger eating an entire roast ham, Zombie’s awfully good at capturing the gay community at its least appealing. And it’s easy to do so: she (or he) simply wanders into gay or left-wing events, camera in hand, and starts snapping away. Case in point: the recent Hunky Jesus fest, of which we have an extensive photogallery and an assurance from a Catholic priest that it is sacreligious but at least not as bad as war.
And Zombie makes a compelling point in his (or her) article:
In San Francisco (and places like San Francisco, including most newsrooms and TV studios), it’s perfectly acceptable to mock Christians. But to turn the tables and mock gays in a similar way is considered totally beyond the pale; a hate crime; bullying; bigotry and oppression of the worst kind. … the gay community is very, very good at dishing it out. But can they take it? The moment anyone attempts the slightest mockery or put-down of stereotypical “gayness,” an entire class of professional victimologists and whiners and lawyers go apoplectic; no criticism or mockery is allowed!
Welllllll that may actually be kind of true. Can you imagine what would happen if a Christian church staged a scatological satire of, say, the life of Ryan White?
Until a few minutes ago, we had a rebuttal all ready to go for that argument: “no no, wait, it’s different,” we were going to say. “Hunky Jesus is all in good fun, and it’s affectionate and irreverent, and it actually celebrates Easter while adding a new cultural spin. It’s not about pissing off Christians at all.”
And then we watched the video.
“Are you ready to piss of some Christians?” Sister Roma asks the crowd in the first ten seconds, to gleeful cheers.
Oh.
So what is the difference between gays mocking Christians and Christians mocking gays?
andy
I love the new Queerty so far at least. In regards to your question, I have to point out that Christianity is not in the genes; no one is born Christian. You have to be indoctrinated.. I mean baptized first.
a.mcewen
Neither speaks for the entire group. Is the problem these folks making fun of Jesus or the fact that Zombie is trying to indict the entire gay community (including the gay Christian community) on the actions of a few?
He would have a good point with the former but since he attempts to push the latter, I pay him no attention And a lot of folks with common sense won’t either.
BlueTears
The difference is gays mock Christians because they hurt us. An eye for an eye.
And throw in the fact that you hear gays being persecuted all the time by Christians and what not, but you would rarely hear, if any, gays physically harming Christians for their faith.
bacco
The difference is simple. Some Christian want to impose their beliefs on all queers. Most queers don’t care what Christians do so long as they don’t try to impose their beliefs on us.
Fitz
I am openly mocking and hostile to Christians. I have even cut a couple of cousins out of my life who insist on pretending that jeebus is watching them. I never was either so cynical or so judgmental before– I always had this live and let live attitude about believers. My attitude turned when they declared war on my marriage: now it’s open season. I’m pro-Lion, and I vote.
Barney
I am disgusted by this article’s premise. History did not start the moment this queer first decided to notice. What’s the difference? 2000 fucking years of rape, torture, murder, war, and general ugliness.
This is like arguments some idiotic white people make about “reverse racism”.
Can we NOT play into the “christians are oppressed” bullshit? can we not give them any more lip service? Can we, instead, beat their asses when they try to deny us our equality from the White House?
Alvaro
I think we have the right to satirize Christianity cause many of us grew up Christian and internalized its hatred of homosexuality – mocking it is cathartic cause it exorcises those demons. And I’d totally be OK with them satirizing us, the problem is that they actually take themselves too seriously and never include any humor in their critiques.
Alvaro
They actually believe we are second-class citizens, we do not think that about them and wouldn’t want to take their rights away.
Cam
Easy, gays aren’t trying to pass laws outlawing Christianity.
a
why do christians care what queers think? more importantly, why do queers care what christians think? yeah yeah, you can be both whatever. still, by “christians” most of us mean fundies.
ohplease
Matt, I assume — or at least hope — that you’re shamelessly trolling for comments.
The difference is that THEY declared war on US. The difference is that THEY have been trying to destroy the world for 2,000 years. The difference is that THEY have power that WE don’t.
The difference is that all organized religion is evil, as it is all based on lies in order to oppress and control. Being gay isn’t evil. Fighting evil isn’t evil.
That’s the difference.
Ogre Magi
Here is a hint, Christians:Stay out of gay events. Gays:Stay out of christian events. Problem solved!
Sam Wheat
@ohplease: Soooo, you hate gay Christians as well? What about gay Jews? Gay muslims? You hate all people of religion, even the gay ones? Sounds pretty prejudiced to me.
the crustybastard
Have gays spent centuries rooting out Christians for torture and execution? Are gay groups even today calling for the criminalization of Christianity and the execution of Christians? Do gay people stand, with Bible in hand, citing the multitude of sins that Christians are certainly guilty of as a justification for stripping them of their civil rights?
If ONLY the worst thing Christians subjected gay people to was the occasional bit of lispy mincing mockery.
Pastor of the Church of ALL People
I like reading Queerty in both its’ present and former iterations for bringing to light the multitude of issues that surround the gay community. I love the opinionated and researched articles that relate to faith, politics and the like whether expose or informative. I do have to say though that I found this article a nice veer from the norm of questioning “is the gay community ALWAYS right” in it’s behavior. Personally, the first article and the continuance thereof in this piece, brings to light some of the hypocrisy that exists on both sides of Christianity and The LGBT Community. To be sure some of the blatant and outright comments that are made by some (and shall I mention that those comments do not reflect all Christians – myself included) are not acceptable in any way shape or form. Neither are such public shows of outright profanity towards the Christian community by some (and shall I mention that those comments do not reflect all members of the LGBT community – myself included) are not acceptable either. In order to grow as a community and reach common ground to where we can civilly discuss issues without being rude, openly mocking, critical, or “imposing a belief system” there has to be a group of people who are willing to say – let’s lay these things aside and be adults about the matters at hand and quit acting as though we are two year olds fighting over who has control over Barbies Pink Cadillac. Truly, just as the Christian community is due to receive the criticism it deserves because of certain members of its community – the LGBT community is not exempt from the same criticism because of the behavior of some of its members.
Personally, I found this video and the former post heart wrenchingly abhorrent and unacceptable just as much as I found Pat Robertson accusing the LGBT community as being responsible for the destruction of New Orleans. Neither has any place in contemporary society. When are we truly going to grow as a community of faith and sexual orientation to where such activities are not “ACCEPTABLE” by either? Otherwise the “culture war” will continue forever.
Dennis
“So what is the difference between gays mocking Christians and Christians mocking gays?”
We should lay off mocking the KKKristians when and ONLY when there are state legalized provisions for making christian-authorized marriage unconstitutional, when christians are denied being adoptive parents, when christians are regularly “Jeebus-bashed” and left bruised and bloodied as they gather outside their perverted meeting places (churches), when young christians are mocked and bullied at school for their faith and frequently resort to suicide to end the harassment, ETC ETC ETC ETC!
Actually, I DO NOT WISH ANY of those things on (the vast majority of) christians…but I really, really would like these f*cking drama queens to STFU and stop trying to force the rest of us to mindlessly obey and submit to their punative, distorted view of God, and the nature of reality.
Yeah, you go Sisters! Yeah, shake it Hunky Jesus! KKKristians, you can laugh along, or you can suck my c*ck!
Pastor of the Church of ALL People
BTW-when was the last time the LGBT community – or rather certain elements of it been so focused and vile towards Muslims, Jews, et. al. that can be just as outspoken as Conservative Christians? Seems to me that there is just a tad bit of INEQUALITY in the matter. Besides, isn’t that what this is all about – EQUALITY FOR ALL?
ohplease
@Sam Wheat: “Soooo, you hate gay Christians as well?”
Since you can’t cite where I say that I hate any Christians or anyone else — because I didn’t — I don’t understand your question. Jumping to a conclusion not based on any evidence sounds pretty prejudiced to me. And I assume it’s a product of being indoctrinated by organized religion, all of which are evil.
Fitz
1) Conservative Christians get more mockery than Jews or Muslims (or Jaynes or Hindus for that matter) because we live in a place where is the Conservative Christians who have attacked us. I would have just as much vitriol for any other group that was so focused on hurting my family, I assure you. i am not concerned about “equality for all”, if part of that “all” are people whose careers and lives are dedicated to harming my family.
Atagahi
The difference is that one group is in the majority while the other is in the minority. Similar to civil rights struggles for African Americans, African Americans poked fun and said things about white Americans that were pretty scathing and bad. White Americans, in the majority and controlling the legal rights, were not able to do the same about African Americans without looking and sounding racist (and rightly so). It’s just the way minority politics works.
I do think that as we pass the tipping point of getting our rights, we’ll have to calm down our anger and our expression of anti-religious sentiments or we will deserve criticism.
greenmanTN
Another MAJOR difference is that a Christian would have to make a special trip to be “insulted” by the Hunky Jesus Contest, show up in San Francisco at a certain park, at a certain day and time to seek the event out. That includes “Zombie,” who filmed and disseminated footage of a tiny local event for the express purpose of whipping up Christian, anti-gay sentiment. If it weren’t for these far-right Gladys Kravitzes the VAST majority of the American public, including many gays like myself, would have NO idea this event even occurred.
Now compare that to the “effort” it takes for gay people to see or hear a “Christian” insult them, call or compare them to pedophiles and practitioners of bestiality, describe them as intrinsically evil, sub-human, and not worthy of respect or rights.
We just have to open a newspaper or turn on the TV, watch the nightly news, watch C-Span or read the Congressional Record. The Religious Right has to GO OUT OF THEIR WAY to be offended by the gay community (other than by our mere existence of course), whereas their assaults on our dignity, to our very humanity, are delivered to our homes, beamed to us via TV and Radio signals, a saturation of their scorn and hate, all of it part of our daily existence.
In comparison they point to a fringe event, broadcast NOWHERE except by themselves. Those poor, poor dears. How DO they hold up?!
Give me an effing break!
Pastor of the Church of ALL People
@Fitz – “WE” live in a global community where members of the LGBT community are attacked. “WE” also live in a global community that is frequently referenced on this website (i.e. – Uganda, et. al) that is also frequently commented on where there are people whose lives and careers are dedicated to hurting “OUR GLOBAL FAMILY”. This is not just an “American” issue, this is a global issue. The real question would be then, is there a global freedom movement from the past that you can reference where “vitriol” has been the catalyst for change? BTW, I’m not attacking your POV, just interested in your worldview.
Riker
If we want to show the Christians that we are normal, sane people who deserve equal rights, we can’t continue to be openly antagonistic towards them. Rather than ignore or mock them, we need to start opening a dialogue and engaging them in calm, rational debate. True, there will always be wingnuts who take extreme positions against us. However, the majority of Christians are willing to at least listen to and consider a well-reasoned argument. I’ve brought quite a few of them around in my local community just by getting to know them, letting them get to know me, and engaging in a calm, mature discussion about gay issues where I can show them evidence, studies etc and show them the ramifications of denying us our civil rights. When being mocked, almost everybody will start refusing to listen to reason from the person who mocks them.
greenmanTN
@Riker: So what are you advocating, the taking away of Free Speech? Because this event involved at most a couple hundred people and NO ONE would even know about it of it weren’t for professional scolds and hand-wringers like Andrew Sullivan (except when it involves his own rather ‘specialized’ sexual interests, of course) and the Far Religious Right themselves.
So if we “crack down” on the Hunky Jesus Contest suddenly the Religious Right is going to change their minds about us, stop openly fighting against our rights, referring to every positive or even neutral depiction of gays as “propaganda?”
I don’t think so.
Riker
@greenmanTN: I’m not saying we should restrict free speech at all. We have the right to say whatever we want. However, our right to free speech doesn’t protect us from the consequences of that speech. By holding events like this, we piss people off and make them even less likely to support our rights.
Rather than restrict our rights to free speech, i’m suggesting that we should use discretion in choosing how we express those rights. If you want to be successful in any political endeavor, you have to know when to speak and when not to.
Cam
@Riker:
Funny how while we were trying to be polite nothing changed. it was when we got angry that we started getting what we wanted.
Should the African American community, rather than fighting for their rights, just quietly sat back and started a “Dialogue” with the KKK to try to change their minds about them? I’m wondering just how far away Civil Rights would still be if that had been their plan.
Riker
@Cam: The KKK represent the extremist wingnuts that I mentioned in my first post. They will never support us, no matter what. However, in the rest of America, there are common everyday people who would have endorsed segregation 50 years ago, but now know that it was wrong.
These are the types of people who we should be focusing on. In most of the country, public opinion on us is split nearly evenly down the middle. If we can convince just 5% of the more moderate Christians who typically vote against us because of old prejudices or because they just don’t know any better, we’ll start seeing more victories. In just about all of our recent defeats at the ballot box, there was less than a 5% difference between the Yes and No sides.
If the sweet churchgoing old ladies realize that their grandson is gay, or even just the nice man who helped her with her groceries, and have an open and honest discussion about it, she could easily be persuaded.
Mr. Enemabag Jones
Zombie is a man named Jeremiah Duboff. He used to be an uber-communist, then became an uber-right-winger.
I have a picture of him carrying a sign that reads: I HEART NY EVEN MORE WITHOUT THE WORLD TRADE CENTER
He’s been on an anti-gay rampage as “Zombie” for several years now.
Look up his name, and you’ll find his website.
scott ny'er
@Riker: but why public opinion split 50/50. Was it because of people like you who turned the tide for LGBT people over the years or was it for people like the drag queens who protested and marched and did stupid but fun stuff like this. Or a combo in between.
Heteros make fun of Christianity, why is bad if we do? When did homos have to be this higher than thou type of thing? I can sort of get why Christians might be upset about “hunky” jesus but really, it’s not like it was a “effed” up Jesus contest. Let the Christians hold a “hunky” gay contest to get back at us. Oh wait, there really isn’t anything bad about that, is there?
No, the Christians would probably hold a lisping, gay contest to try and deride us. And that is the big difference. Malice and intent.
Kev C
Zombie did a great job of documenting everything in detail. It’s like the bible came to life.
Sam Wheat
@ohplease: Sure, if you want to split hairs, you didn’t use the word “hate,” but you twice referred to organized religion as “evil,” and unless you’re a fan of evil people, then your implication was obvious, even to idiots. Seems you’re so full of hate you can’t even recognize it in yourself.
tinkerbell
Well, difference is we mock an antiquated, illogical and irrational religion, not real people. Christians have first-class citizen status, we do not. We do not pursue constitutional amendments to strip them of their human dignity.
Digby
Christians have been murdering gays almost since its inception. For an excellent account of the massive amount of blood on the hands of Christians, please read Louis Crompton’s “Homosexuality & Civilization”. In it, he meticulously addresses the huge amount of violence and repression done by the Christian (and Jewish and Islamic) faiths, basically all Judaeo-Christian faiths.
Also Christianity is a power broker, throwing elections and influencing governments. And all powerful entities need to have satire to punch holes in their sails. Christianity needs the Hunky Jesus contest, just as our government needs the Daily Show, just as kings needed their jesters: to tell them they are wrong in a funny mocking way.
So is there a difference? You bet your fucking cross there is.
greybat
@Riker: If the Christians were just a Tab wittier, the mockery would be more balanced.
As it is, it’s just not an even match!
Jim D
So many Christians. So few lions.
beergoggles
The only reason this offends xtians is because they have no sense of humor, right after having no taste, no sense of justice and no sense of morality.
John
Comment #22
http://www.queerty.com/hunky-jesus-contest-sexy-or-sacrilege-a-gay-catholic-priest-weighs-in-20110507/#comment-446207
Dave
Power?
John
Such witless buffoonery does NOTHING but alienate the Straight allies we NEED to achieve rights parity.
James C.
It’s the classic issue of why black pride is acceptable and white pride is not. There is a difference between majority oppressors and the oppressed minority, and whether you are furthering discrimination or defanging it.
Wolfsbane McDogstail
Hunky Jesus was freakin’ AWESOME this year!! Can’t wait for next year’s event. Fuck christianity and the nit wit half ass religious whackos(straight AND gay)who endorse it!!!
Jay
Very funny video. The professional christians bring everything they bitch about upon themselves. When they step into the political ring and force their superstitions on everyone by codifying their 2000 year old texts into modern law, all is fair. They make a mockery of us every day, so why should I care when their stupid beliefs get mocked? If the Hindus took over the government and were persecuting us, why should we not have a Hunky Arjuna contest? Their strange superstitions are just as worthy of mockery, but they are not the ones who have been using their deities names to destroy us for thousands of years.
schlukitz
@Pastor of the Church of ALL People:
You are preaching at the choir, Pastor. All they have to do is raise the flag of peace, cease and stop attacking us and trying to get laws passed that are clearly meant to keep us second-class citizens and we of the LGBt community will be only too happy lay down our weapons.
“Personally, I found this video and the former post heart wrenchingly abhorrent and unacceptable”
Frankly, I find your reprimanding the LGBT community simply for standing up for itself, wrenchingly abhorrent and unacceptable. Obviously, you Christians can hand it out…but you can’t take it.
Shannon1981
The difference is simple. We do not deny Christians their rights as they do us. We do not cast them away, torture them, and try to force them to believe as we do. This is the reason that I honestly do not believe that the organized version of Christianity, as it is practice today…. can be reconciled with homosexuality. It simply cannot be done.
Tikihead
I found the video hilarious, and at some points, hot. does my opinion not count because someone else clutched their pearls?
Shofixti
As a Queer person of faith I find these comments to lean towards “victimology”. The Queer message is supposed to free people from the pettiness of in-group/out-group squabbles.
You would have to be seriously impared to believe that sexual attraction and the hunky Jesus pagent share any intrinsic linkage. One does not cause the other nor legitimise the other.
I don’t think images and representations can be right or wrong, but they can be rude and just plain not-nice.
Storm
The difference is Power. An oppressed people with a boot on their neck owe no respect or deference to the oppressor stomping on them. I don’t hate Christians, but I owe them no respect. I owe their beliefs no respect. And yes, I hold the same attitude toward Muslims. I keep a news photo in my gallery of two gay Iranian teenagers hanging by their necks in a Tehran Square especially for the “What about the Muslims?” crowd. If your religion, whatever it is, justifies persecution then I owe you no respect. I owe your beliefs no respect.
Roger Rabbit
@Ogre Magi
I can’t say anything gay on my Str8 FB without being called political.
They OWN most of the mainstream thought process.
Because of this, I am happy that the gay community has the right to laugh at their expense. Jesus would be rolling in his grave over the blasphemy that they’ve made of his words.
It’s big FU to them all and I’m happy to go along with it.
declanto
Zombie sounds just like Cassandra, another christian troll here on Queerty. She’s been subdued. Who’s next?
@Pastor of the Church of ALL People: In all truthfulness, your point re:”global Family” is valid and we as a community keep up the fight against violent ignorance wherever as best we can. Your moderately reconcilliatory tone here seems hollow when one considers the silent acceptance of the so-called sympathetic christian community to the unceasing physical attacks and repression on the gay community in their name. Hunky Jesus is meant to be a stick in your eye, so, ok be the victim for a change. Like I care.
Pastor of the Church of ALL People
As I stated yesterday, I belong to both communities and more than anything I want to see reconciliation but it will never be done as long as WE GIVE those that we are trying to convince we deserve equality the ammunition with which they give us the literal gun to shoot our own selves and the rights we would like in the head.
@declanto – I have been a victim on both sides of the fence. Neither episode, and in some cases episodes have been fun to be a part of. I am not asking for silent acceptance, but conciliatory dialogue on both sides. If we want to reach to the Civil Rights Movement (as many in the LGBT community do), I think some of us need a serious history lesson in understanding the main impetus was not burning a “Cracker (a person of caucasian descent for those of you who cling to wittiness to justify poor behavior) hanging from a tree”. This is not an issue of anything meant to be a stick in someone’s eye, it’s about a group of people (on both sides) who want to see forgiveness extended and further accepted to be a door to freedom. There will always be people who will never want to experience any sort of dialogue, forgiveness and a movement toward acceptance on both sides, my question would be though – who is going to be the bigger person in the sandbox of life? Whomever it is, is who the world will see as being “correct” in a world where it really is about a universal factor called a person’s character not their religion, sexuality, color, race, et. al.
@declanto concerning “Your moderately reconcilliatory tone here seems hollow when one considers the silent acceptance of the so-called sympathetic christian community to the unceasing physical attacks and repression on the gay community in their name.” I appreciate and accept that, however I am one voice that crosses a bridge between two warring communities and I consciously choose to fight each and every day of my life for equality by teaching one person to teach another what it really means to love one another. Is that hollow? It may seem so to some, but it is start for change in my community and that is something more than meaningful than purulent satire. And as the writer of this post stated originally – When was the last time you have seen a “Christian church staged a scatological satire of, say, the life of Ryan White?” To me that and the responses that this post has produced speaks volumes as to the “hollowness” and shallow nature of the LGBT community and its fight for basic civil rights.
@ALL THOSE WHO CLAIM TO BE A PART OF A POWERLESS, CHRISTIAN RIGHT MEDIA CONTROLLED NATION – The last time I checked, the LGBT community has the power, finances, connections, and time to create a movement for social change just as the Christian right has done over the past 30 years. As much research has shown, the LGBT community as a whole is mainly more educated, lives in a higher financial bracket, is not time constrained by raising children (although I do applaud those that do and want nothing more than your lives to be blessed). The problem is that we as a community itself cannot come together long enough to lay aside the differences in our own to fight for the rights that we want without the use of mockery, wittiness disguised as nothing more than the same tactics that are being used against us, and satire that is equitable to the methods of Westboro Baptist and the KKK.
A campaign against what we perceive to be evil cannot be won by doing the same, even when we are perceived to be intrinsically evil. Again, all historical social movements of change speak of this and while many of them also took decades, a lot of them have taken centuries to receive some sense of equality of which they are still fighting for today – without using low brow methods. Instead of putting our time, resources, creativity, and voice into our methods along with a unified community – productions such as this production we are no more than to digging a deeper grave that further separates us from the rights we want. And no this is not a solitary incident of mockery and outright vileness. It happens daily in our community as well.
As those on the conservative right have daily put themselves in the media against what they perceive as evil, where have we placed ourselves? The point is – who is going to be the bigger person in this culture war and who is going to unite together and dedicate their resources long enough to see it through. It seems as though to me that Conservative Christianity is winning the “war” for rights not because they have a common enemy, but because they have chosen to unify themselves toward a common cause. Something we might learn a lesson or two from without the use of the ideological argument of an eye-for-an eye, but the want and need to build bridges so that others may understand that we are not as evil as our own community has made us out to be.
Sadly our own community is divided by its own racism, trans-bi phobias, HIV negative vs. Positive, the religious and the non-religious, the disabled vs. the non-disabled. How can we continue to beg at the feet of our nation for rights when we ourselves cannot even find it within ourselves to confront the issues within our own community long enough to present a message of peace without being hypocrites within ourselves.
Fitz
Life is not a Marlo Thomas song, we are not free to be you and me. It’s become very easy for me to figure out who the “we” is in my thinking. The “we” is everyone who isn’t “Them that work to hurt me and my family”. I have no need to be lovely and embracing of everyone. None. I don’t need to take the high road, I don’t need to turn the other cheek, I don’t need to do any of those trite things. I need to protect my family.It’s good to mock idiot christians.
Tikihead
@Digby: Excellent book!
Ogre Magi
@Roger Rabbit: Point taken!
Ogre Magi
@declanto: BTW: What happened to Cassandra?
Cam
@Pastor of the Church of ALL People:
honestly….I hate to be this way, but blather on all you want. All of the touchy feely handholding in the world isn’t going to convince people like NOM to love us, nor the majority of the evangellical churches.
Comparing them to the KKK is a valid comparison in spite of your protestations. The KKK was an organization that believed, minorities, mostly blacks at the time, as well as Catholics and Jews were inferior and did not deserve full civil and human rights.
That is the exact same belief that is now pointed at gays by many of the very religious in this country. And us all being quiet and baking them cookies would do no more to change their mind, than being raised by a loving black nanny did for members of the KKK back in the day.
You be a the welcoming embrace for religious gays that want to attend your services, but please do not try to pretend that a smile and a handshake is how these changes are going to get through.
I don’t care if they like me, I don’t care if they respect me, but the same as with the civil rights laws, once our rights are written, they will go to jail if they try to stop me, and THAT is what is going to make the difference.
declanto
@Ogre Magi: Poor Cassandra. She went into a nunnery I think. Hopefully one with a vow of Silence.
declanto
@Pastor of the Church of ALL People: Congratulations, Rev. You almost surpassed the word-count record of her nibs, Ms Cassandra her own bad self.
I’m sure your conciliatory bridge-building is meant in the best and most positive way, turning cheeks and that sort of behavior being the very stuff of christ-like behavior. Ok for you, and good luck etc.
Me, I learned early on to fight back. Never trust anybody who’s harmed you or the ones you love. Never miss an opportunity to gouge, knee, hurt those who wish you harm.
Johan
Having grown up both Gay & Christian, I’m not fond of either community mocking the other. Both end up looking bad and the small group of folks who are members of both communities inevitably end up uncomfortable and feeling unwelcome in either.
That said, the concept of a Sexy Jesus contest is fine, up until you’re doing it with the purpose of pissing on Christians. Then it becomes the moral equivalent of cracking a homophobic joke. Morality doesn’t hinge on whether there’s more of them or that they do it to us all the time. If we want to be the better people, we need to get up out of the mud and handle our need to criticize religion in a more mature fashion.
And yes, we do have a legitimate need to criticize religion. There are much more effective ways to do that than through mockery.
Cam
@Johan: said…
“That said, the concept of a Sexy Jesus contest is fine, up until you’re doing it with the purpose of pissing on Christians. Then it becomes the moral equivalent of cracking a homophobic joke. ” and “And yes, we do have a legitimate need to criticize religion. There are much more effective ways to do that than through mockery.”
___________________
Sorry, but if somebody takes a swing at you, YOU are not the agressor for pushing them away.
The Christian denominations and the Mormons here in America have tried to pass laws against us, against our very ability to live, outside the U.S. in Muslim countries under those laws we can be killed, arrested, or tortoured, so please, enough with the…
Gee, we shouldn’t say anything to them that may upset them.
Look, here is an EASY idea…if they don’t want to be mocked as ignorant bigots, then stop being ignorant bigots…end of story.
Ogre Magi
@declanto: LOL You so crazy!
James M. Martin
It’s about time someone exposed the popular depiction of Jebus Crust for what it is: a non-Semitic WASP Jebus bearing little if any resemblance to what Reb Yeshua probably looked like. These dimestore Jebuses with their blond hair and blue eyes — think Jeffrey Hunter in “The King of Kings” — would have been a freak and not likely to have won over anyone Jewish or Semitic with his gospel of poverty and forgiveness and compassion, an unwanted message in the eye for an eye world of the O.T. For years I have thought, would it be OK to ogle a pretty Jebus without subscribing to the farce of his godhood, an invention of Saul-Paul the murderous Tarsan. So many of the great masterpieces depicting the Crust have portrayed him with impossibly attractive features, completely contradicting his origins. I am glad these gay San Franciscans have paraded their humpiest in emulation of the Crust.
RJP3
When Christianists stop trying to make being gay illegal and stop trying to MAINTAIN their legally superior status — then gays will stop mocking them. And not until then.
Easy enough to stop – stop being bigots.
Sorry I feel free to mock Islam, Christianity, and The KKK.
WillBFair
@RJP3: Stop being bigots. Do you mean the bigots here who stereotype the liberal church and can’t tell the difference between fundamentalism and christianity? Do you mean the self-destructive dingbats who for decades made excuses for irresponsible sex, and are now sabotaging our movement by disrespecting our freinds in the church? Do you mean the new atheists who swallow Sam Harris’s cherry picked history and ignore the atheist plutocracy’s savagery?
Ok. We get it. You were stomped by fundamentalism early on. Now your emotional issues prevent you from thinking rationally about religion. Fine. And thanks for handing our enemies a ton of propaganda to use against us.
Tim in SF
Ryan White wasn’t gay, you fucking idiots. He was a hemophiliac child with AIDS.
Haven’t been to quartet in a couple years. It’s clear I haven’t been missing anything.
Ogre Magi
Now I will say, Pastor of the Church of ALL People is a lot less obnoxious than that cunt cassandra
declanto
@Ogre Magi: Hear-here!
@WillBFair: The atheists can and most frequently ARE as bigoted as the fundamentalist Christians.
declanto
The western image of Christ was invented by Albrecht Durer, the same mo that did those ubiquitous “praying hands”. It was a self-portrait, and he WAS a humpy-hunk.
Jeff Freeland
when christian start getting killed for simply being christian we’ll have to stop making fun of them. But they claim they are a majority of the population ,and even if that is factual puffery, they ARE treated that way. they are not threatened in any real way except that a large number resist their effort to force their beliefs onto others. I and people I know don’t force anyone to be gay, nor do we kill or persecute those who want to lead a straight lifestyle.
Grevin
For there to be a double standard you would have to be comparing two similar actions.
Religious beliefs are in no way a fixed part of a persons identity. People change religions, alter religious beliefs, or stop believing entirely.
While sexuality is more accurately described as a scale rather then labels of hetero, homo, or bisexual. A person’s sexuality is fixed within a range on that scale.
The anti-gay rhetoric from Christians isn’t meant to ridicule either. It is meant to create fear. It paints the acceptance of a sexual minority into society as the fall of that society.
Seandee
the difference is that the christians have been the dominant source of power in the western world and the biggest source of war, oppression, torture and aggression since about 1100ad.
StudioTodd
You think the gays came up with the concept of Hunky Jesus? Give me a fucking break!
Go and watch any Jesus-themed movie. Jesus with his long luscious locks and swimmers body was objectified in Hollywood long before the Sisters ever got their hands on him.
Take a look at the treacly Jesus paintings that the christies like to call “art.” Every one of them feature the same matinee-idol looks and exceptionally fit body that the christies like to condemn the gays for ogling.
Hypocrisy, thy name is christianity.