Sorry FTMs and MTFs, but the truth hurts.

Now you know way sometimes we can come off as impatient and angry, because of that kind of BS. Compared to the usual arguements (ones like naghanenu are the rule, not the exception) you’ve been quite open minded. But yeah, LGBT, we’re all in this together, atleast I hope we are.

“It’s really all about what they’re comfortable with. They’ll sacrifice anyone who gets in the way of their comfort, and pretend their selfishness is a virtue.”

Quoted for truth. They want freedom for themselves, screw everyone else.

I see a lot of them around especially the guys that are dressed as women. Its scary and most cases laughable.

At the transmen are managable but the trans women are weird…no amount of hormones can soften that jaw…i know im going to be flagged as inappropriate but im glad im finally saying my mind

I pray technology gets to a point where the transchange gets more belivable

Screw them.

If they weren’t queer, they’d be the ones arguing homosexuality is a deadly lifestyle choice. Anyone who can ignore the evidence that being transgender has a biological cause can ignore the evidence for natural same sex attraction just as easily.

It’s really all about what they’re comfortable with. They’ll sacrifice anyone who gets in the way of their comfort, and pretend their selfishness is a virtue.

But enough of that – let’s talk about friends.

I’ve been blessed with 4 transgender friends in my lifetime. I’ve been there when they struggled to come out of the closet ( though let’s be honest, we all know it’s a coffin. ), I’ve seen their eyes, the fear that they’d be punished. I’ve seen their courage, the determination to even face death.

Anyone who thinks transgender just need to talk to a therapist has never had to consider the blood of their best friend spilled over the kitchen floor.

No, it’s not shallow for a person to want certain physical features in a potential mate. Some straight men like big breasts. Some gay men like big penises. There are tons of people who don’t find foreskin attractive. In fact a lot of straight women and gay in our culture are repulsed by foreskins.

But, having foreskin or not doesn’t is not the same as a person not having a penis but a vagina or having a penis and not a vagina.

Again, when you say both, you mean your desires and needs. You want others to desire you regardless of their real selves. It’s like a gay man wanting a straight man to fall for him. That’s unfair.

With that said, this is not a pity party. This is trans people sticking up for themselves and not letting other people determine their lives. I would hope that gay people would understand this, but clearly it doesn’t work that way.

And to those who see it as a purely psychiatric issue, you need an education because this has been disproven. The only thing that is psychologically hurtful about being trans is the abuse I get from other people when they find out.

@Ralph : That is just it though. What about the feelings of Both people. A relationship based purely on physical traits is shallow indeed. Example? What about if I find circumcised penises vile and disgusting. Is it right to expect that everyone tell me about their forskin status when we meet?

It all works both ways, and what you are defending is the idea that judging someone based purely on physical characteristics is valid.

Again, bullshit. You continue to spin things to favor yourself and your needs, discounting those of a potential partner. Trying to hide informing a partner about your history behind a veil of learning about each other called dating, is unfair.

It’s not bigotry on the part of a person to have certain expectations met. I understand your concerns about safety. They’re valid. But that doesn’t give you the right to ignore other people’s concerns or expectations.

You have a tough lot in life. I don’t envy it. But, I don’t think that it’s fair of you to expect that every one with whom you are dating would readily accept your trans status. Why put yourself and another in a position of being hurt emotionally?

As I said to Kian, you keep talking about your desires but you don’t show much consideration or respect for the desires or needs of others.

You want people to accept you for who you are. I get it. The trans experience is vast. Not all transwomen go through surgery. It would be quite the shock for most men to meet someone who presents as a woman but with all of their clothes off they’re completely male. They like breasts and vaginas.

Most gay men want a man to have male genitalia. They would be shocked and disappointed to find that their male lover undressed and didn’t have any of the equipment.

And on that topic. You say “I’m not trying to disrespect anyone but I feel thought I could be candid with you guys but all the name calling seems to be from the trans folks at the glb folks.”

Couple points on that, to us, being treated like our identity is not valid IS name calling, call me a boy and you are negating my identity.

Im sorry to have offended trans people but this is my reality.
I just cant date a tranny or even think of having a relationship with one. Ill explain.

Im straight. I like my boys. A transman is not a man as far as i know.. its a girl who had an operation and took some hormones so she can represent herself as a man. If we are absolutely honest with our selves that is what a transman is. The same situation for a transwoman.

Now if you get your plumbing fixed to act and move a penis that might actually be interesting..but still gross me out to a point i wont let you come near me sexually because in my mind im dating a chick with gender issues.

Transpeople need to wake up and realise some people have a lot of issues with them and that is why upfront honesty is best so the person can let you know before feelings get involved

“Sorry, but we should not be defining ourselves as a movement of anyone and everyone who is not the norm. If we define our movement based on that logic, we should start including every contra-normal sexual paraphilia, fetish, and every sexual condition, from delayed puberty to menopause, known to humankind.”

We’ve been apart of the community since long before Stonewall, go out and educate yourself on some gay history, I’m not going to do that for you.

Otherwise, you only seem willing to fight for your own freedom, yet you’re asking straight and trans allies to support you and care about your issues, but then you don’t care when someone who faces the similar oppression asks for your support and then try to distance yourself from us. Seems like pretty entitled and self-centered behavior to me.

We, as trans folks who are forced to undergo “therapy” to make sure we aren’t nuts before getting hormones, know a lot more about this issue than you do. Why don’t you go get a clue, do five seconds worth of research, before spouting your ignorant opinions?

You’re right, you are no psychologist. You’re just a certified asswipe. Go STFU.

Ok Here goes:
I’ll be the first person to say that I don’t know anything about gay people and if I can be candid without being jumped on, it strikes me as odd and worthy of psychiatric intervention. For someone to goes so far as to claim they were born attracted to the same sex is a bit nutty. Suppose someone felt as though they were meant to have sex with animals. Is that ok, would we think that person was insane? So then take a perfectly healthy man he likes to have sex with other men. This guy then goes out finds a boyfriend and has “unnatural” sex with him but for the sake of political correctness we’re going to say that that person is well within their right. To look in the mirror and deny the image you see, to deny your god given sexuality is mad. No matter how you choose to exchange fluids, you’re still a straight person inside.

See how that sounds? Get my drift?

Then you don’t know many trans people. Gay trans men are all over. Instead of sitting there and arguing why don’t you just sit back and listen to trans people instead of trying to impose what you think is better for them on us.

Seriously, asking a trans person to not transition to get around transphobia is like asking a cisgender gay man to transition to female so they can date men and not be subject to homophobia, because “it’s easier”. It’s degrading and insensitive to suggest that kind of action in both both cases.

Sorry, trans people don’t live their lives so it can be “easier” for you or to make you comfortable. Not going to happen.

You should try harder to educate yourself if you really do give a shit, but I suspect that you don’t judging by what you’ve said here.

You ARE being insensitive. You want to oppress. You are not the first, does not make you a bad person. But you ARE what you Are.

A few people have asserted here that it is not up to Terriwill to decide who is in the movement and who isn’t. Fair enough, but then who does decide? And who decided on my behalf that suddenly “T” would appear after LGB? I can’t recall voting on it. I can’t recall a meaningful debate about it. It just happened on the the fiat of some unelected, overpaid, overly PC professional activists. And now if you challenge the status quo that was imposed on you, you are accused of being insensitive.

Sorry, but we should not be defining ourselves as a movement of anyone and everyone who is not the norm. If we define our movement based on that logic, we should start including every contra-normal sexual paraphilia, fetish, and every sexual condition, from delayed puberty to menopause, known to humankind.

We are a group defined by a specific characteristic, sexual orientation. Not gender. Not cross-dressing. Not anything else.

A few people have asserted here that it is not up to Terriwill to decide who is in the movement and who isn’t. Fair enough, but then who does decide? And who decided on my behalf that suddenly “T” would appear after LGB? I can’t recall voting on it. I can’t recall a meaningful debate about it. It just happened on the the fiat of some unelected, overpaid, overly PC professional activists. And now if you challenge the status quo that was imposed on you, you are accused of being insensitive.

Sorry, but we should not be defining ourselves as a movement of anyone and everyone who is not the norm. If we define our movement based on that logic, we should start including every contra-normal sexual paraphilia, fetish, and every sexual condition, from delayed puberty to menapause, known to humankind.

We are a group defined by a specific characteristic, sexual orientation. Not gender. Not cross-dressing. Not anything else.

See what Emily said but I want to go one step further. You keep saying things like “It’s just a question and not meant to be hurtful or demeaning to anyone, just seems like a simple solution” but if you stop and think about it does it not make sense that it would be both hurtful and demeaning. The implication is that one. Obviously he has not tried hard enough and two that you know what is best.

Think about what you are saying, how you are using language you would never want to be used on you.

Second, most of us have tried that, myself included (switch the pronouns around as I’m a trans woman). Trying to live in society as your birth sex, for a trans person, only leads to anxiety and depression, and an all-around dysfunctional and miserable life. Does this sound any bit familiar to you? Kinda like when a gay person tries to be straight, perhaps? So you see, we’re all in this together.