Even the casual Top-40-during-your-work-commute music listener can probably name a handful of young gay musicians: Adam Lambert, Lance Bass, Rufus Wainwright, John Barrowman (heâs also a pop-singer, didnât you know?). But these guys are either soloists or mainstream pop stars. What about the handful of gay frontmen leading otherwise straight indie rock bands? Theyâre changing the musical landscape with fresh music and ideas unlike anything youâve ever heard. We found 10 gays hiding in plain sight, and pulled out their best songs and juiciest queer bits your hungry little eyes and ears. Enjoy!
Just a note: We know thereâs lots of gay solo musicians like Patrick Wolf, Chris Garneau, âGentlemanâ Reg Vermue, etc., but here weâre focusing on gay indie rockers within larger groups. Also, we havenât forgotten about you ladies. Weâve highlighted five lesbian indie rockers before, but weâll profile even more this coming week. Promise.
ROLE: Lyricist, lead vocalist, and rhythm guitarist
HOME PLANET: Liverpool, England
HOW HE PUBLICLY CAME OUT: In a Butt magazine article
LISTEN TO THIS GAY SONG: âKreuzbergâ
QUOTE: âI didnât talk about [my sexuality] when I did interviews for the last record because it wasnât an area really reflected in the music; I didnât talk about race for the same reason. Why was that still a discussion point? The only reason it was a discussion point was because of the racial prejudice that exists in the mainstream media.â (Guardian)
QUEER MOMENTS: He hid his involvement in Bloc Party from his âsuper-Catholicâ Nigerian parents until he signed a record deal. For a while, he also hid his homosexuality from them.âIn Nigeria⌠there werenât any visible gay people who were out and were happy. My parents are getting older and I didnât like the idea that they could possibly die without knowing something that is a big part of my life. Itâs not easy. But I know that they love me and I love them.â
He wrote the lyrics for the bandâs second album, A Weekend In The City, partially in response to the death of London bartender David Morley who was beaten to death in a possibly homophobic âhappy slapping.â The song âI Still Rememberâ is about an unspoken attraction between guys; âKreuzbergâ is about unfulfilling promiscuity. Heâs since moved to Berlin âto seize the cityâs music oriented spirit.â
ROLE: Producer, keyboardist, guitarist, and backing vocalist
HOME PLANET: Washington, D.C.
HOW HE PUBLICLY CAME OUT: In an Out magazine interview
LISTEN TO THIS GAY SONG: âI Wanna Be Your Boyfriendâ (not his best, but definitely his gayest)
QUOTE: âI donât associate the term composer with exciting music today. As a songwriter and producer in our band, I get to be the composer I always envisaged for myself. I get to sample M.I.A. There probably are a bunch of contemporary composers who wish they could do that but donât have the balls.â (Out)
QUEER MOMENTS: Batmanglij burned Vampire Weekendâs first tracks onto CDs and gave them directly to influential bloggers. Their online buzz grew to such a pitch that labels sought them out. Their second album features âDiplomatâs Sonâ, a six-minute dancehall song about a gay relationship. It goes, âThat night I smoked a joint / With my best friend / We found ourselves in bed / When I woke up he was gone / He was the diplomatâs son / It was â81.â
He recently wrote âI Wanna Be Your Boyfriendâ (a self-described âa gay pop songâ) for the 2009 debut album of his electro-soul side project, Discovery. It goes, âI just brushed my teeth / and I made up my mind / I donât want to have to act coy / havenât slept in weeks / and I canât think at night.â He said, âI was disappointed when it didnât become a gay anthem, but, you know, itâs not too late.â Vampire Weekend and Discovery should both give him ample opportunities to write even more gay anthems.
ROLE: Guitarist and vocalist
HOME PLANET: Iceland
HOW HE PUBLICLY CAME OUT: A reviewer mentioned it in The Economist, though the infoâs also available on the Sigur Ros website.
LISTEN TO THIS GAY SONG: âSinking Friendshipsâ
QUOTE: â[Being a vegan] makes you a social outcast, definitely, but I think I like that. I sometimes think I am drawn to obscure food the same way I am to obscure music. I like to be different. But I also very much like raw food itself. Itâs wonderful! Tasty! Who wants a horrible burger when they can make their own cheese instead? I make my own, from macadamia nuts. It tastes very⌠um, cheesy. You should try some. Youâll never look back.â (The Independent)
QUEER MOMENTS: JĂłnsi named the band after his little sister SigurrĂłs who was born at the same time the band was formed. Though he speaks English and Icelandic he also sings in âHopelandic,â a sort of beautifully sung gibberish. He also plays guitar with a bowâawesome.
His boyfriend Alex Somers does a lot of the bandâs artwork and the two create collaborative art together. Alex and JĂłnsi released 1,000 copies of their embossed hardcover book in November 2006 and their first album Riceboy Sleeps in July 2009. The song âSinking Friendshipsâ comes from that album. It goes, âMy lips are pale blue / My shivering half-moon / My last nightâs lost tune / Itâs the end of the end of the end / Weâre sinking friendships / We drown more and more / When I sing inside you / Itâs as though Iâm too.â
JĂłnsi says, âItâs a classic break-up song. I suppose I have gone through many. Growing up gay in Iceland, I didnât know anybody else like me, so I really didnât know how to⌠whatâs the word? Proceed Basically, I fell in love all the time, with all of my friends. That made for lots of⌠drama, a lot of awkwardness, and so much misunderstanding. I had to apologise a lot.â
ROLE: Vocalist, guitarist, omnichordist, and keyboardist
HOME PLANET: Massachusetts
HOW HE PUBLICLY CAME OUT: He crafted the bandâs debut effort Horn Of Plenty between two relationships. As a result it had a lot of gay lyrical content.
LISTEN TO THIS GAY SONG: âTwo Weeksâ (not a particularly gay song, but the fan-made video puts a lovely gay spin on the songâs message about calming the heck down)
QUOTE: âI like a lot of [music played in gay clubs], but itâs also kind of a bummer sometimes. I was recently in Vegas and granted, itâs Vegas, but we went to a gay club and it was the worst music, and the worst people, and we left after ten minutes. It wasnât even horrible in a funny way, it was just doomed and expensive. Iâm not judging, if thatâs what floats your boat, great, but generally a lot of the extreme house-remixed Kylie/Kelly Clarkson stuff is just headache-inducing. But I love a lot of the originals, depending on the track.â (East Village Boys)
QUEER MOMENTS: The bandâs name came from the nickname of his fuzzy ex-boyfriend. Droste is the only gay guy in the band and according to him only gay publications ever seem to mention that, which suits him fine as itâs not a defining feature of their music. Nevertheless, the bandâs name has gotten them a bit of undue attention from the bear community. Some bears have approached Droste at concerts and a site called Bears Gone Wild hit them up for an interview.
When heâs not touring, Droste lives with his boyfriend Chad McPhail. If Droste were single, heâd prefer to slut around in France (as opposed to England, his least favorite place to hook up). He also identifies as a bottom.
In an interview with East Village Boys Droste said, âThis one gross guy in Amsterdam, whoâs in his 30s and looks a bit sickly always comes to our shows, and the first time he came he had read an interview I did in BUTT magazine, and he came up to me in front of my whole band and was like âEd Droste?â, and I said âYes?â, and he said, âHeard you were a power bottom.â That was the funniest shit ever. The band still brings it up. Heâs totally creepy, and to this day will show up at our Dutch shows, but luckily I can easily avoid him now.â
ROLE: Composer, Violinist, and Vocalist
HOME PLANET: Toronto, Ontario
HOW HE PUBLICLY CAME OUT: His butt appeared in BUTT magazine (NSFW â Umm, do all gay indie rockers come out in BUTT magazine?)
LISTEN TO THIS GAY SONG: âLewis Takes Off His Shirtâ
QUOTE: âGay culture has these stereotypes that they kinda have to rely upon to make it successful⌠Successful like gay art, and Iâm really not interested in gay artists who are going to conform to those stereotypes.â (Lost At Sea)
QUEER MOMENTS: Pallettâs boyfriend Patrick Borjal began working as his manager in 2006 and founded the company Boyfriend Management. Some of Pallettâs song titles include âBlood Orgy!!!â, âYouâre Worth More to Me Than 1000 Christiansâ, âLewis Takes Off His Shirtâ and âHe Poos Clouds.â Pallett has also collaborated with other gay musicians such as The Hidden Camerasâ Joel Gibb, Gentleman Reg, Pet Shop Boys, Grizzly Bearâs Ed Droste, and bisexual indie rocker Mika.
Of his music Pallett has said, âIâm not a preening princess in real life, but yes, my music is really flamingly gay. Gay performers, whether theyâre Rufus Wainwright or a drag queen, make themselves the irresistible catamite of the audience, debasing themselves, possessed by the audience and yet possessing them, fucking with the power relationship⌠I donât sing âdick goes in bumâ or anything, but there is a great deal of subject-object reversal, deconstructionism, solipsism, and moments of intense self-obsession, self-deprecation and narcissism. There is an element of public self-excoriation involved: an artistic metaphor for the mutilation of our natural masculinity that is implied by gayness.â
Pallett originally named his musical effort Final Fantasy because âthe experienceâand the tone of the materialâwas reminiscent of the hours and hoursâ spent playing the RPG video game classic of the same name. However, he has since decided to drop the name and use his own.
ROLE: Singer, songwriter, and guitarist
HOME PLANET: Atlanta, Georgia
HOW HE PUBLICLY CAME OUT: Heâs been open about his sexuality since his first album, Turn It Up, Faggot.
LISTEN TO THIS GAY SONG: âFluorescent Greyâ (starts off slow but plunges stylishly at the midpoint)
QUOTE: âI have no interest in the bourgeois life of growing up, getting married, and having kids⌠I donât relate to heterosexuality at all. I donât relate to the couples who come to our shows and hold hands while they watch us. [However] I have a lot of respect for the people who like us because itâs challenging music.â (Creative Loafing)
QUEER MOMENTS IN HIS MUSIC: Deerhunter created their first album Turn It Up, Faggot after the death of their bassist Justin Bosworth. He died of a head injury from when a car hit him while skateboarding. The album resulted from âa lot of negativityâ and after finishing it Cox decided, âI donât ever want to make this album again.â
â[Bosworth] was gay, a heroin addict, an outsider, alienated all of his friends. But he couldâve been such a happy guy if it werenât for all that fucked-up stuff that happened to him when he was a kid,â Cox said. âHe was involved with that âbear cultureâ where they go to leather bars and start shooting up and getting really tame⌠He was just a wild kind of guy and had a lot of creative energy⌠And I feel like this record couldâve meant something to him, because it comes from the same place.â
For the albumâs cover art, Cox asked Jared Swilley from the Black Lips to get semi-hard for a photograph; some people recognized the musician from his tattoo. Mr. Cox identifies as gay but considers himself asexual.
ROLE: Vocalist, pianist
HOME PLANET: Chichester, West Sussex, UK
HOW HE PUBLICLY CAME OUT: He has always identified as transgender yet openly gay.
LISTEN TO THIS GAY SONG: âFor Today I Am A Boyâ shows off his gay duality, but the video for âEpilepsy is Dancingâ is a gorgeous gender-bending fantasy.
QUOTE: âI think people tend to be really obsessed with transgender peopleâs physical configurations. But transgender is a condition of the spirit, you know? Thereâs something very reductive that tends to occur in perceiving transgender people and even gay people, in that society tends to want to reduce them, in almost a crude way, around an obsession with their sexuality or even their genital configuration, which hasâthereâs a kind of a cruelty to that, when, in fact, what we are dealing with is people whose spirits are different.â (Curate)
QUEER MOMENTS IN HIS MUSIC: Antonyâs songs contain recurring images of transformation, metamorphosis and hermaphrodite shape-shifting which makes sense considering that he identifies as transgender. He sees transgender as more of a âspiritual conditionâ rather than a purely psycho-physical one.
A fan of John Waterâs muse Divine, Hegarty started experimenting with the limits of his gender identity in his early 20âs by wearing a âfilmy black slip with a pair of stomping combat boots, and [an] inked âFuck Offâ on his forehead as a riposte to gaping passers-byâ in New Yorkâs Lower East Side. Today he sees himself as both privileged and responsible to be âa vocal role-model for other gender-variant individuals.â
Hegarty says, âI think the fact weâre led to believe weâre different because of our sexuality is a hoax thatâs been pulled on us. When you think about how much time you actually spend having sex compared to how much time you spend eating or talking or listening to music, itâs really not that significant or important. I might be an active homosexual for an hour here and there, but Iâm myself 24 hours a day. Obviously I have quite a big gay and lesbian fan base, but Iâm hopeful that the thing that binds us together isnât our sexual orientationâitâs the fact that weâre all special in our individual ways.â
Antony and the Johnsonsâ 2005 album I Am a Bird Now features guest performances by Boy George and Rufus Wainwright, among others. In 2009, he collaborated on a disco album called Hercules and Love Affair which had a commemorative song about a gay-bashing victim. The LA Times called his most recent album The Crying Light âthe most personal environmentalist statement possible, making an unforeseen connection between queer cultureâs identity politics and the green movement.â
Hegarty said, âItâs a done deal with the human species. Itâs all over thanks to capitalism and Catholicismâor maybe I should say patriarchal monotheism. Why do we have to have endless evolution, perpetual change? Why not stability, balance, keeping things sustainable?â
ROLE: Ukulele player, keyboardist, lyricist, and lead vocalist
HOME PLANET: Born in a houseboat off the Virgin Islands, he lived in 33 houses across the US during his first 23 years of life.
HOW HE PUBLICLY CAME OUT: Heâs always been out, but perhaps most notably in the gender-switching lyrics of his album 69 Love Songs.
LISTEN TO THIS GAY SONG: âPapa Was A Rodeoâ (a funny yet sad song about the thoughts preceding a one night-stand)
QUOTE: âI have a low voice and a sad facial expression, and Iâm not enthusiastic about anything. And I prefer honesty in conversation. That combination drives some people crazy. Almost everyone in California thinks I hate them. I relate well to the English; they understand that I donât hate them. [The] emotions I actually feel⌠[range] between delight and agonizing depression.â
QUEER MOMENTS IN HIS MUSIC: Stephin Merritt typically writes his songs alone in Manhattan gay bars. His closest relationships are with his Chihuahua (named after Irving Berlin) and fellow Magnetic Fields musician Claudia Gonson.
In an interview with The Advocate, Ms. Gonson said that Merrittâs songs are primarily about âLoneliness, isolation, and the need to be recognized by another person,â adding that without homophobia â[these experiences] would be less rampant instead of being so associated with the gay personality.â As a result, she feels that a lot of LGBT youth and young straight females turn to The Magnetic Fields for âwords of wisdom.â
Merrittâs currently working on the songs for a stage musical about gay childrenâs author Hans Christian Andersen called My Life as a Fairy Tale. Heâs also writing songs for the Broadway version of Neil Gaimanâs Coraline in which actor David Greenspan will play the role of âthe Other Mother.â
ROLE: Singer, guitarist, and programmer
HOME PLANET: Los Angeles, California
HOW HE PUBLICLY CAME OUT: It seems he first made mention of his bisexuality in Free Williamsburg
LISTEN TO THIS GAY SONG: âThis Too Shall Pass Away (For Freddy)â (a dancey song with an awesome 8-bit video)
QUOTE: âAll the songs are about sadness and trying to dance it away. The very first night I ever wrote and recorded a Xiu Xiu song, Iâd gone to this terrible dance club in San Jose alone on Christmas nightâas pathetic as that isâand had gone home alone after feeble attempts to pick someone up. Xiu Xiu came from feeling stupid and lonely and then wanting to dance it away, but having the club and its music only magnify that stupid and lonely feeling.â (Pitchfork)
QUEER MOMENTS IN HIS MUSIC: Although Xiu Xiu (pronounced shoe shoe) have a techno pop sound, their songs are also darkly comic and disturbingly personal. Stewart says, âI am bisexual. I am singing as much about boys as girls. A lot of very negative and weird sexual things have happened to me as much as with boys as with girls. The whole point of the band is to write about real life stuff.â
He adds, âThe queer audience seems a big part of people who come to our show. I write about the queer experience or politics and people who listen have responded. Whoever is listening, I always want our music to be about something real. But sometimes, I try to take it too far.â
As of April 2006, Stewart was single. âI am the mayor of shyberg when it comes to the first move,â Stewart said. âItâs a wonder Iâve ever dated anyone. I am so single. Please give my number to anyone you know.â
ROLE: Lyricist, vocalist, and composer
HOME PLANET: Kincardine, Ontario
HOW HE PUBLICLY CAME OUT: Gibbâs debut CD is titled Ecce Homo and had overtly gay sexual content.
LISTEN TO THIS GAY SONG: âGolden Streamsâ (a song using piss as a religious metaphor)
QUOTE: âPeople are usually so afraid of smells. My answer would have to be that, getting into your own smell. People are so afraidâespecially in North Americaâand there are all these weird products. They keep getting weirder and weirder. Useless products that are just about targeting someoneâs insecurities. And I think our culture is going to get more and more like that. Itâs just bullshit that people canât have a body. Theyâre not allowed to age. Theyâre not allowed to have hair. Theyâre not allowed to smell. Theyâre not allowed to sweat. Theyâre not allowed to secrete. Theyâre not allowed to cry.â (Phillyist)
QUEER MOMENTS IN HIS MUSIC: The Hidden Camerasâ first albums had lots of raunchy gay sex in the lyrics, but the sexual content in their recent work has been a tad more subtle (read all about it here). Gibb oversees every aspect of the band: composing, production, cover art, stage design, video, everything.
He also prefers to perform in unexpected public spaces like porno theaters, old churches, and soccer fields and regularly invites fans to partake in the show, even if that means stripping onstage. In 2007, Gibb did solo recordings for a tribute to gay musician Arthur Russell. In 2008, Gibb starred in an experimental documentary described as a âfucked up family filmâ and an âamateur porno flickâ entitled The Lollipop Generation. Gibb now lives with his boyfriend in Berlin where heâs turning the bandâs most recent album Origin:Orphan into a stage musical.
adman
Awesome article Queerty, more please.
Roger
It’s spelled Chris Garneau actually.
Thomas Vinson
I less than three Jamie Stewart so damn much.
Daniel
Just nit-picking but Kele is from London, not Liverpool.
TNG Zack
Glad to see more indie music coverage here, Queerty. If anyone else is into the queer side of Indie rock you should check out TheNewGay.net, we do stuff like this all the time.
Daniel
@Daniel: Wikipedia says Kele was born in Liverpool, but raised in London. So which is truly his “home planet”? Hmmm….
holla
Not to be too nitpicky, but Owen Pallett IS Final Fantasy. It is a one-man show, so he seems a bit out of place in a list highlighting members of larger bands.
eric
And also His “band” is just called Owen Pallet now. No more Final Fantasy.
John from England(used to be just John but there are other John's)
@Daniel:
Not to be a prick but he DIDN’T come out with Butt!!
He’s been out for at least 2 years in the UK.
It’s never being a secret. Oh and the rest of Bloc Party? They’re gay but no one ever bothers to interview em cause they’re a bunch of shy dorky geeks.
Daniel
@holla: Not to put too fine a point on it, but Owen Pallett has credited Leon Taheny on his CDs as a drummer/engineer and more recently, Pallett has toured with guitarist/percussionist Thomas Gill. So even though he goes by his own name now, he’s still no soloist, not in the studio anyway.
As for “being out”, this is yet again the biographer dilemma, which is why I wrote “publicly out” as opposed to just “out” (that is, when did he come out to the public at large as a celebrity vs. when did he come out personally in his own pre-celebrity life). All I can do is post what’s been verified through previous interviews available online. So until I can find a document stating when he came otherwise or one where the rest of Bloc Party admits they’re a bunch of ‘mos, my hands are tied.
Charlie Jackpot
Do The Feeling count as an indie band? Dan Gillespie-Sells is a homosexual as well
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dan_Gillespie_Sells
eric
DANIEL the Title of your post says “10 Gay Indie Rockers (In Otherwise ‘Straight’ Bands) With Revolutionary Ideas” I am not sure I quite understand your logic with Owen Pallet and for that matter Stephin Merritt. Both gay centic bands and music.
And please, please stop just quoting and using wikipedia as your main source. We can all read up on that.
I think Holla’s point is that Owen Pallet is the main person in his 2 person band in the studio sense. Maybe on tour he hired a 3 person, but he hardly qualifies as a gay guy in an otherwise straight band. I mean do you even know the sexual peferences of Thomas Gill and Leon Taheny.
I like that you are profiling gay indie rock bands, but come on, do proper research and not just rehash wikipedia
John from England(used to be just John but there are other John's)
@Daniel:
Oooh…..
:-/
Daniel
@eric: So do you have an actual point or are you just getting on me for quoting Wikipedia once in my comment?
You don’t qualify your statement that Stephin Merritt’s band is “gay centic” nor do you know the sexual preferences of Thomas Gill and Leon Taheny either.
And if you’ll read my article and click on the many links, you’ll see that I did lots of research with lots of different sources.
So… what were you saying exactly?
eric
My point is that some of these artists you are profiling are gay musicians in gay bands not gay musicians in otherwise straight bands. Your headline doesn’t make sense for ALL the people you have listed. Its misleading. Also fact check. Like I mentioned above, Final Fantasy is not the name of the band anymore. It’s called Owen Pallett. Again, that is misleading to try and fit your headline. Sorry buddy, but take some criticism.
fredo777
Oh, I can play, too. “Not to be too bitchy or anything, but…” some of us are taking our armchair proofreader/fact-checker roles a bit too seriously.
Blah
Surprise! No lesbians featured in this article. What a shocker.
Bryan T
JonsĂ’s “Sinking Friendships” actually comes from his solo album, “Go,” which just came out this month, and not from “Riceboy Sleeps.”
fagburn
@eric:
I think you made a good point, Eric.
The title and intro imply that a lot of these artists and their sexuality is incidental to their music.
It ain’t.
DX
Re: the guy from Vampire weekend, isn’t being the songwriter on many of the tracks more important than backing vocalist?
DX
More nit-picking about Rostam from Vampire Weekend, cause I got nothing better to do right now: You got the lyrics to “I Wanna Be Your Boyfriend” from the Discovery Album wrong. The last stanza is “I can’t think straight at night,” not ” I can’t think at night”–that would be retarded.
DX
Also, I guess all the members of The Drums are still in the closet to everyone but the NYC gays?!
TonyD
You forgot Billie Joel (s?) from Green Day as a bisexual mainstream artist- he’s been pretty vocal about it from the beginning, and dare not forget my lovely Scissor Sisters! Long live Baby Daddy, Jake Shears, Ana, and the sexy Del!
anon
I really dig indie music and the article. Would love more articles like this.
TonyD
@Blah: You forgot to read that ladies will be featured later in the week. I got a list building up, in case they forget any. đ
Nicholas
The New Gay isn’t all that. It’s just queens who love Britney, Madonna, and Lady Gaga. Repackaged as hipster indie. But they still all wear polos, cargo shorts, and flip flops. And they love their Britney, Madonna, and Lady Gaga. They don’t know squat about indie.
Take it from a guy who’s had experience with these so called The New Gay things. It’s more like Same Old Stereotypical Gay.
TNG Zack
LCD Soundsystem/ Hot Chip dual review:
http://thenewgay.net/2010/04/electromotional-masculinity.html
Exclusive Hidden Cameras acoustic session:
http://thenewgay.net/2009/11/the-hidden-cameras-sing-ban-marriage-just-for-us.html
Interview/make out session with the Black Lips:
http://thenewgay.net/2010/03/the-black-lips-jared-swilley-kisses-zack-apologizes-for-homophobia.html
MEandMyMonkey
Hunx & His Punx are certainly less well known, but they have a great sound and are awesomely gay.
D'oh, The Magnificent
@Blah: They covered , as they explained in the article, lesbians in a separate article.
TNG Zack
Oh, as for the flip flops:
http://thenewgay.net/2008/05/dude-wheres-keg-gay-dc-house-party.html
Blah
@TonyD: Missed that. Yay!
mulletkitty
Honorary mention of Bob Mould & Husker Du — hugely influential foredaddy here, even if he’s now solo…
dannyal
moahr like these please!! ive been dying to find a new favourite band since smashing pumpkins.
beverly heels
i would bang jamie stewart like a screen door in a hurricane.
Edgar
Bradford Cox of Deerhunter is gay!? Wow. Wow wow wow.
I knew about all of the other ones but this is just the best. So cool.
Nick
Yeah, I like this a lot. However, Rostam didn’t come out in Out it was mentioned first in Rolling Stone and then NME, possibly with other publications before Out interviewed him.
...TM....
Wow….may I say that you people are taking this way to seriously…. Its not like this is like life or death or anything… So he made a few mistakes…big deal….we all do at some time or another….
Stop ragging on him for it….I’m sure you’ve made some yourself so stop acting like a bunch of self important jerks….I know I have made some before…
Well……This was a nice article. đ
agay
Awesome
natalie
Really? Not a single lady to report here???