As a Gen X-er who saw my life in movies like The Breakfast Club and Reality Bites, I’ve gleaned much of my knowledge about guys from the next generation by dating them. In the last dozen or so years, nearly all of my romantic interests have been born between 1983 and 1996, which covers the bulk of the era in which millennials were born.
As much as I enjoy the company of gay 20-somethings (and for the record, my dates may skew younger, but most of my good friends were born in the ’60s and ’70s), the under-30s on Netflix‘s new Tales of the City revival made me appreciate Anna Madrigal’s and Mary Ann Singleton’s older generations so much more. Pouty presents more dramatic possibilities than party, but what a dreary bunch.
Thankfully, life with millennials offscreen isn’t all Sturm und Drang and blithe disregard for the world outside internal angst. During one of Tales’s best scenes, a middle-aged gay man goes in on a black 28-year-old at the dinner table, accusing him of being so “woke” that he’s fast asleep. He speaks for many Gen X-ers and Baby Boomers in real life, but I don’t think gay twentysomethings deserve the bum rap.
Here are 10 reasons why I respect them as much as I do gays of my own generation.
1. They’re not as age-obsessed as we are. The younger guys I date never call me “daddy,” and they don’t mention the age difference nearly as much as my peers and I do. If age is an issue, it’s usually mine.
2. They’re not clueless about LGBTQ history. As much as I live for a thorough reading, I couldn’t fully agree with the voice of experience during the aforementioned Tales of the City dinner scene. The younger generation may have it better than we did, but they’re not completely info-challenged when it comes to the life and times of their elders, nor do they not bear crosses of their own.
Some are well aware of the significance of Stonewall, the difficulties their LGBTQ predecessors faced, and how their roads are paved because ours weren’t. If Pride celebrations are often too short on gravitas, they’ve been that way since before many millennials were even born.
3. They’re fluent in pop culture from before their time. Gay twentysomethings have their own iconic pop divas (Britney, Beyoncé, and Gaga), but aside from the holy trinity, there’s one mainstay I’m always coming across in their Spotify libraries: David Bowie at his ’70s peak. One 24-year-old producer from Melbourne named his current musical project Moss Garden, after a track on Bowie’s 1977 album Heroes.
I’ve even met a few gay millennials who knew that “Don’t Stop Believin'” wasn’t always a song from Glee (including the ones singing along to Journey’s 1981 original at Santa’s, a karaoke bar I went to in Nashville last April). Steve Perry, 70, would have been pleased.
4. They’re smarter than most of us geezers realize. I don’t say this just because they’re so good at helping me pair my Bluetooth devices. Growing up in a more global society means they’re able to name-drop more world leaders than we could at their age, and they probably can locate Uzbekistan on a map while some of us are still struggling to find Wisconsin.
5. They can hold their own in offline conversations. Long phone chats might be a thing of the dating past, but some of the most scintillating discourses I’ve been lucky enough to have in recent years have happened while I was sitting across a table from a gay millennial or under the covers with one.
On a recent date with a 23-year-old Aussie, we covered homophobia, global warming, and the genius of Lana Del Rey and Crosby, Stills, Nash, and Young. We were together from 2 to 11 p.m., and not once was he distracted by his phone.
6. They’re not all so obsessed with labels, no matter what Tales’s self-proclaimed “old queens” say. It’s so fashionable to be anything but strictly gay or lesbian and male or female these days, but as brimming with millennials as the non-binary bandwagon might be, the B-word remains as relevant as ever with twentysomethings.
The 22-year-old drag queen I dated in Prague identified as “queer,” but “gay” and “male” suited him just fine, despite his penchant for occasional gender-bending off-the-clock. Plenty of ’90s babies are as proudly binary as us older folks were before “binary” was even an LGBTQ word.
7. They’re as romantic as the rest of us. In some ways, Girls ruined twentysomethings on TV. Ever since Lena Dunham’s HBO series made Brooklyn the epicenter of millennial cool and gave them a soundtrack to match (’90s nostalgia in 2010s packaging), they’ve been portrayed onscreen as being way more detached than we ever were.
Some of them are, but irony and “too cool for school”-ness are bigger twentysomething traits on TV than in reality, thank God. The millennial gays I date are passionate. They cuddle; they cry; and when the spirit moves them, they even say, “I love you.”
8. They go on dates, too. If they don’t, then whom have I been meeting for coffee and drinks? OK, so millennials don’t wine and dine by candlelight like we used to, but then, neither do we. In these Grindr times, fortysomethings and older are just as likely to tick “Right Now” over “Dates.”
9. A lot of them know exactly what they’re doing in bed. One of the great things about coming out earlier in life than we did is that twentysomethings have had longer to get the moves right. When the clothes come off (and even when they’re still on), they’re not the inexperienced ducklings they’re often cracked up to be.
10. They’re looking for more than just sex online. Although Grindr and Scruff and the other gay apps are dismissed by many as being all about sex, I’ve gone out with quite a few millennials who have never had a boyfriend they didn’t meet online. So much for the stigma about falling in love with someone you find on a grid or while swiping left or right. It’s gotten old — just like those who insist on perpetuating it.
Donston
So, this article exist just to tell us how great younger people are. At the same time you’re kinda reinforcing some tired stereotypes about older guys. Even as someone who just turned 31, I find the presentation a bit problematic.
A lot of the perception people have concerning every demo is based on the internet, social media, entertainment and brief encounters. Anyone who actually spends some time with a decent amount of folks away from digital connections should already know that many younger people are romantics or don’t take identity too seriously or aren’t just looking for hook-ups. This is more about making sure that you get to know people away from movies, social media and online profiles.
Catholicslutbox
well, you’re still a millennial.
I can’t wait until the gen zers hit 25 so people can start talking about how shit they are, because they are FAR worse than millennials.
iron
This article reminds me of the theory of an older man looking for life-enhancing by swallowed sperm from his discharges as a form of health eg. the giving of life and pleasure.
The binary period needs some explanation to a real senior
Chrisk
So basically all his good friends were born in the 60s and 70s but the millennials are just his cute little f*ck buddies.
Way too much stereotyping in this. I’ve noticed this is a trait when the older guy is obsessed with the younger guys. Everything they do is just so cute and newsworthy… isn’t he so cute he knows who David Bowie is. It’s amazing.. Allot of gushing BS.
Donston
It definitely comes off a bit “ode to the twinks I like fvcking/dating”. And most of the insights are common sense things that any non-douchebag should be aware of.
Donston
However, people often look to defend/support/give attention to the types of folks that they have the most affections, passions, romantic contentment towards. So, this type of stuff shouldn’t be considered too unusual. But it does read a bit condescending, and it doesn’t come off at all like someone trying to bridge generational gaps but rather as something praising young pretty boys.
Vince
“They’re not as age-obsessed as we are.”
Who’s we? Are you the Queen of England now? Talk about projection. Lol
“I enjoy the company of gay 20-somethings (and for the record, my dates may skew younger”
Oh lord. That just sounds creepy now.
kiriakis1
I’m around the same age and race as Jeremy and I also write for a living. I’m so grateful that is where the similarity ends. He seems not to have the self-awareness to be embarrassed for writing drivel like this article. The totality of his writing can be summed up in the following sentence:
I am a 50-year-old black American, believe I look 28, and will lay every white twink I can because my fellow black men intimidate me.
Kangol2
Read, Chile! When I used to post my responses to JH’s claptrap Queerty would just delete them. Finally Bob LaBlah (where is she? Bob, come back!) was like, Kangol, just stop wasting your breath on Miss Thing, though in his inimitable Used-to-live-in-NYC-now-resides-in-Oklahoma way. I took his advice and stopped responding. (See, I do listen to conservatives at times.) But @Kiriakis1, you captured the spirit of my replies beautfully.
Vince
Oh that Jeremy. Thanks for the reminder. Yes. Here we have someone who regularity complains about white men stereotyping him and then we see an entire article of discrimination and stereotypes by said writer. Ha
Tombear
I think the new gay slang for an older guy who likes younger men is kind of cute. They call the older guy a Grizzly. Kind of like a Cougar for older women who like younger men!
Brian
We don’t need a new word, Chicken Hawk has described guys like Jeremy for decades.
DavidIntl
Wow – as someone of probably similar age whose partner of four years is 22, your article strikes me as off on most of its points. I love my partner, no doubt – but I would say that yes, he is pretty clueless about LGBT history, and sort of post-activism. Doesn’t like even being labeled gay, turned off by pride flags and marches, even though he is the pretty one… Definitely age-obsessed, or at least very worried that everyone else is, and judging him as a result, perhaps thinking he is in it for the money (he’s not – he’s quite successful on his own). Generally believes that no movie made before 2010 is worth watching, and most music before that time is crap (though he does listen to some Beatles occasionally). Definitely not very romantic in the traditional sense. Etc..
So, perhaps you shouldn’t put all “millennials” in the same basket.
JK 1984
This is why generalisations fall over, trying to describe a large group based on a small sample or on an average there is always those who are the exact opposite of what is described.
That’s why I try (and sometimes fail tbh) to avoid labeling an entire group based on my opinion on the average/sample size I’ve seen.
Josh447
I entirely enjoyed your viewpoints Jeremy. Some interesting insights.
Heywood Jablowme
You guys are so cynical. I see a definite sign of progress here. Jeremy is growing up at last, by using Scruff sometimes instead of just Grindr.
Brian
Maybe some day he’ll really shock us and admit that he got rid of the white and under 25 filters.
Brian
Jeez, I was a little uncomfortable with the age difference when I dated a 20 year old when I was 35. Now that I’m 50 it would just feel pathetic to be going for guys that young.
It’s one thing to randomly meet someone young that you happen to click with, it’s quite another to be actively pursuing it the way Jeremy obviously is. It also explains why he’s middle aged and still single.
Vince
Really? When your self worth is based on being attractive to white teens and twinks something definitely ain’t right in your head. At best he needs psychotherapy.
Heywood Jablowme
@Vince: Oh Vince, I’d have thought you (of all people) would get the sarcasm.
“The younger guys I date never call me ‘daddy,'”… someone new here might think THAT was sarcasm!
Vince
Haha and touche. Yeah I missed that one.
IWantAFullBeard
I hope everyone can find someone to love regardless of age, race, or any other characteristic besides their personality. I’m 31 and I’d be happy to date a 25 year old or 55 year old – age is just an arbitrary number for those who need labels.
geb1966
Dear Mr. Helligar,
Your “insights” are condescending to older men and basically full of shit.
Donston
That’s pretty much the only real issue I have. So, he likes younger guys. There’s no reason to be pressed about that. However, the way the article is written is very condescending to both younger and older demos.
Griff_Greymuzzle
Sounds to me like most of his “stereotypes” come from modern television. As someone who pretty much exclusively dates younger, sure some of these hold up… But there’s a lot of adoration trying to debunk these that really don’t meet what I see in the real world. Maybe he should base his stereotypes on things people ACTUALLY think and not what Girls and Tales Of The City tell us they think.
Also, saying that “they” as a group are also _____ (Fill in the blank) IS stereotyping. Maybe the ones he dated didn’t engage in whatever, but that doesn’t mean that the general populace of gay kids in that age group are going to follow his version of Them anymore than they are going to follow the other versions of Them. Maybe judge people, regardless of age (or any other bullet point), on a case by case basis and stop the “This entire group of people who literally have one thing in common do THIS and not THAT!”…
maxdadmark
I am 63. My husband loves me and says I don’t judge him or try to change him. He makes me laugh, is a hard worker, and loves life. He’s a Buddhist, I’m an atheist. I love Diana Ross, he loves Gloria Estefan. Neither of us is perfect, but to paraphrase Grace Jones (who we will see Friday at Pride Island), we are perfect for each other. Oh yes, he is 35.
michel_banen
Awesome ! Just another proof that no one should judge another because it’s up to the people involved in the relationship. What works -or doesn’t work- for me might be completely different for another.
Grace Jones however is a total event and spectacle on her own. She’s brilliant and amazing. There’s a small chance I’ll see her july 5th but I’ve seen her about 22 times live since 2009 so if it doesn’t happen I will be able to live with that 🙂
Vince
35 is a mature adult though. It’s not like you’re chasing after kids.
OzJosh
This article is such a mish-mash of spurious and convoluted prejudices and false assumptions that I just gave up reading halfway through.
michel_banen
I couldn’t think of anything attractive in dating a much younger guy that is physically and emotionally in a totally different world. I’ll go to work and he’d go to school probably. In a relationship it’s the equality that attracts me. I’m 46 and my (still first) boyfriend (husband for nearly 11 years now) have been together for 22 years and we met in a gay youth center and hit it off right away. So happy I never had to rely on apps (not that there’s nothing wrong with that – it’s just not for me) and I never went out a lot to gay dancings or things like that. I met my first boyfriend and that was it so far. We graduated the same year, got a job at the same time and really built up our lives together. But hey – if you’re attrackted to younger guys and the attraction is mutual… why not ? There are so many men dating woman that could be their (grand)daughter (and some older woman that are dating guys that could be their son or grandson) but if it works for them…. it’s up to them.
Brian
Millennial thinkpieces are almost always trash. Millennials are killing the diamond industry! And the napkin industry! Millennials pay $50 for toast! ALL millennials want this, ALL millennials think that.
Articles like this don’t pass the smell test. People need to up their critical thinking skills.
Mark Behar
Why you down on Wisconsin?
“4. They’re smarter than most of us geezers realize. I don’t say this just because they’re so good at helping me pair my Bluetooth devices. Growing up in a more global society means they’re able to name-drop more world leaders than we could at their age, and they probably can locate Uzbekistan on a map while some of us are still struggling to find Wisconsin.”
Far easier to find the western edge of Lake Michigan (that longish body of water in the mid section) where Wisconsin is, than the plains states, or almost any other state not bordering water. Great cheese, brats, beer, ice cream custard, more than 10,000 lakes (like Minnesota), and both Madison and Milwaukee… oh yeah, in 1983 became the first state to outlaw discrimination in accommodations…
How can LGBTQ folk come together to overcome the systematic discrimination against people of color and those who are older? That topic is worthy of discussion– not geographic challenges.
SoggyDuck
Since I was in my 60s, I think, I’ve been dating younger guys. Mostly those in their late 30’s or early 40’s because, they are just so cute. End of discussion as far as I’m concerned, but my wife likes it when they identify as “Bi.”
Palmy Springs
For what it might be worth,there is a 16 year difference between my husband and myself..We have been a couple for the past 44 years plus,so far….No one had relationships in the 1960’s that I knew of,beyond a trick or twelve…So I had no expectations that we would last a lifetime together….Best wishes to all..
itzallan
Hmm. I never take articles like this very seriously, and certainly don’t use the information to educate me about certain people. There’s a lot of diversity among each generation, whether Boomers or Millennials, and experience will most always follow expectations. Anyway, the article is interesting and tells me more about the author rather than the groups of people he neatly categorizes.
frankcar1965
Another tired old gay guy that runs around fuucking young things in hopes that it will make him young again. How about finding a long term partner instead of growing old alone. It can even be an open relationship if it suits you both but at least have someone you can rely on. They just want a fast hard screw from you, you are just their fetish for the moment. They really don’t care about you.