Adam Lambert already told Out magazine editor Aaron Hicklin to “chill.” To chill! HAHAHA. We love Lambert because he lives in the 80s. But, this is curious: For a guy attacked by Out for having his image over-manipulated by a group of handlers, Lambert certainly isn’t letting anyone put an end to his tongue lashings. His most brutal so far?
After Out‘s Hicklin railed against the singer for only agreeing to be part of the Out 100 after his handlers insisted he appear on the magazine with a hetero, and that the interview not be “gay-gay,” Lambert responded as all celebrities do now: via Twitter. But that wasn’t the end of the feud.
Hicklin “really crossed a line,” says Lambert to Entertainment Weekly.
What people don’t realize is, I am managing my image, more than maybe the editor of OUT magazine likes to give anybody credit for. My team is a team. And I really feel fortunate that 19 Management and Simon Fuller said to me, from the get-go, “We want to do what you want to do. You need to tell us how you want to do things, what interests you have,” and they’ve been incredibly supportive of me. I really mean it. I’m not being puppeted around. I didn’t want to jump onto a gay magazine as my first thing, because I feel like that’s putting myself in a box and limiting myself. It was my desire to stay away from talking about certain political and civil rights issues because I’m not a politician. I’m an entertainer. That is not my area of expertise. I can talk about relationships and personal experiences because as an artist those things involve writing lyrics and that part of my process. But I didn’t feel comfortable talking about the March on Washington. I didn’t feel comfortable, so I asked my publicist to ask the interviewer to stay away from the political questions. I take full responsibility for that. I think that the editor has his agenda and has his opinions, which I respect, but they’re not necessarily my opinions. And I wish there was a little respect for that. Not every gay man is the same gay man.
Well, that statement does reveal one thing: It was Lambert who told his 19 Entertainment handlers to keep the magazine at bay with certain issues.
How about we take this to the next level?
Our newsletter is like a refreshing cocktail (or mocktail) of LGBTQ+ entertainment and pop culture, served up with a side of eye-candy.
But it also reveals something much larger: Out just lost access to the biggest new gay celebrity in the world. That is a big deal.
If Glamour or Elle somehow manages to piss off Cameron Diaz or Sienna Miller, so what — not every skinny actress is repped by the same firms, and they can find a new cover model for net month’s issue.
For Out‘s Hicklin (pictured), there are much slimmer pickings for openly gay entertainment stars. And while the magazine doesn’t only stick to queer artists (rather, they cover any artist with queer appeal), it’s quite shocking to see Regent/Here Media’s best-known brand burn bridges with America’s best-known homo singer. None of this means Out will stop covering Lambert. Quite the contrary: The singer opened the door for the magazine to continue reporting on Lambert’s career minutia. But they’ll have to do it with write-arounds.
Mike in Brooklyn
Out is out of line.
I don’t get Lambert — don’t find him attractive and don’t like the music. BUT I LOVE THAT HE IS WHO HE IS, a kid unafraid of being gay, being the entertainer that he wants to be. Good for him.
If Aaron Hicklin (OUT Magazine’s editor) wants to pick a fight with those who keep shitting on the gay community and those gay lobbyists too lazy/chicken/cozy/inept, the OUT should expose our so-called friends at the DNC, the chicken shit Congressional leadership, the chicken shits in the White House, the chicken shits at HRC, chicken shithead Barney Frank, et al.
Lambert is doing more, just being himself, for the gay community than the DNC and HRC combined. Go kid go!
terrwill
Damm I am torn on this one. While we want someone such as Lambert who seems to have the eyes and ears of a large non-Gay following as well as the Gays to somewhat advocate the Gay struggle for full equality, he is entitled to his wanting to do things his way. It is rare that such an “out” personality has such a large following from the non Gays, and it wouldn’t hurt to have him being somewhat active in the struggle……..
David
It’s Lambert and not Hickling that has placed Adam in a box.
By saying that he has no opinion on something he isn’t an “expert” on is asinine. You don’t have to be an expert on the March in Washington to talk about how it will impact you as a gay man. But I guess a privileged git like Adam thinks the limited rights he has a gay person were just magically given to him.
So I guess we can expect Adam to keep his opinion to himself on anything he isn’t an “expert” on.
“Not every gay man is the same gay man”? Really, Adam? You look like the biggest cliche to ever put his lips toward a phallic shaped object.
Tool.
MatthewInCA81
Also, people in the business like Adam. Out is potentially losing access to other celebrities because of that letter. If you write something disparaging about someone that a lot of people like, there are going to be consequences. One of those could be losing out in interviews. Everyone that’s talked of Adam besides Hicklin, has mentioned how much they enjoyed working with him. People in the industry really seem to be on his side and want him to succeed. If I was a celebrity, I would be leery of granting Out access to my thoughts. Are they just going to write another letter if I don’t fulfill their agenda? It’s stupid.
I don’t really care about Adam one way or the other personally, I do care about integrity. If you’re going to be a bitch, don’t do it for lame publicity. That’s not real. Push him down the stairs or something. That is how a bitch maintains integrity.
romeo
I wish Adam had remembered that “every gay man is not the same gay man” when he was painting us all with the same negative brush in the interview itself.
At least we know who to blame now when his next shit storm erupts.
J.P.
Adam Lambert is the “biggest new gay celebrity in the World”?? Not much going on in the world, is there.
AlGory
Fire that editor Hicklin. Loser. Then get a real journalist. Put gay issues on the cover, not straight people, and then maybe this rag will achieve something.
John
Good for Adam! He is a singer he doesn’t have to have an oponion on everything gay. Not all of us eat sleep and breath gay! Alot of us are normal that just want to not be in your face just because we are gay! Adam is going to have a huge career OUT screwed up. Well I guess they will always have some so so lame Tom Ford to interview.
hardmannyc
Good for Aaron Hicklin for calling out this tool’s handlers. If people only knew the bullcrap editors have to swallow to get these demi-celebrities to consent to photo shoots or interviews, they’d sour on them real fast.
If every editor in NY got together and agreed not to take it, flashes-in-the-pan like Lambert would get wise and get real.
scott ny'er
I dig Adam’s response.
And if every editor decided not to take it, they’d all be fired. There is a reason they are editors and a reason Adam and other celebs are celebs and those celeb stories sell newspapers and brings in ad revenue.
ugh. all this stuff over Adam and his album hasn’t even dropped yet and we don’t even know if he’ll be successful.
Blondiegrrl
While I think David’s condemnation is a bit harsh, he does have a point: While I respect Adam’s wishes to stay out of political posturing, I also wish he had not insinuated that anyone who is not a politician has no business talking about politics. If that were the case, just imagine how much worse off this country would be. I’m not an “expert” either, but I’m very concerned about the discrimination that some of my friends and family have suffered at the hands of the ruling class. Issues like the recent oh-so-close vote on gay marriage (I don’t think civil rights should be up for vote, but I digress) in Maine will never make any headway until more of those ordinary people (i.e. non-experts) step up to the plate. As I’ve said, I respect Adam’s decision if all he wants to do is entertain (which he does tremendously well), but I hope he is careful not to inadvertantly step on those who ARE pushing so hard for equal rights. That said, Aaron Hickland’s behavior was pretty jerky. I understand his frustration and anger, but he should have taken this up with Adam and/or Adam’s management in person rather than airing his dirty laundry and not giving them a chance to defend themselves to the accusations. I still think Out is a good magazine though, and I don’t think this mistep is enough reason to boycott the publication.
David Ehrenstein
When did “Out” care about gay celebrities? The overwhleming majority of its covers havce featured straight celebrities: actors who play gays and/or have gay friends. Actual LBGTs on its have been rarer than hen’s teeth.
And don’t get me started on that lying little shit Mika — for whom Hicklin carried water like nobody’s business.
romeo
Hicklin’s not above reproach in this, but I think his instincts were correct. Adam is not handling this well. I notice he didn’t respond to questions about his insisting that a hetero be on the cover with him. Why would that be necessary for OUT Magazine? The whole thing comes off with Adam being condescending, to OUT, and to the rest of the gay world. I think Adam is the one that’s starting to look a little pissy these days.
If we’re not good enough for him, which it certainly looked like in his interview (read it, part 2), then maybe we should just leave him alone if he doesn’t want us hanging around when he’s with his straight friends. He’s not the first one on that score.
Tim
Wow Adam the biggest gay celebrity. Cmon. They have released 2 singles already and they have both floundered. And if anyone knows the history of 19 Entertainment they have not been the most gay friendly throughout the run of Idol. No matter what Adam says this sounds like the usual crap from 19 Entertainment. Unfortunately I think Adam is going to end up being one of the Idol has beens who might be able to salvage a career on Broadway.
Carlton W
I still am puzzled over Hicklin’s agenda over this. If he had a problem with the way things were handled why not bring it up during the interview or in person. Why did he choose to do that Dear Adam letter in the same issue as Adam’s interview? It seems quite cowardly to me. Adam has stated all along – right the start he “just wants to entertain”. He does not want to discuss gay rights issues etc. It’s not like it was a big secret.
I think Adam Lambert will be around for years to come. He gets people talking and he has a huge non-gay following. For some reason and I’m not sure why – there appears to be this bitterness or maybe it’s envy from some toward him. I can even see it in some of the comments above.
Antinous
This must be clueless commenter day at Queerty. Adam Lambert owes nothing to OUT mag, the very idea they would try throwing the yoke of gay rights around his neck, is absurd and obviously wrong headed on their part. Sometimes the gay community of which I am a proud member, are our own worst enemy, we love to eat our own. OUT will probably be afforded more interviews with Lambert, he is a much bigger person than the editor Hicklin, but if they don’t, chalk it up to their stupidity.
And for the commenter above questioning Lambert’s appeal, Adam happens to be one of the most googled people on earth, bozo.
ianaleah
Are you a WHOLE person or just a straight peson,or a gay person? The problem with “Out” is that it separates you from people with different sexual preferences and it separates you from your own idenity as a whole man or a whole woman and just puts you in a tight limiting box based on your sexuality-your current sexuality since sexuality is actually fluid.
Adam was literally born to be an entertainer, his whole personality is focused around the entertainment business, his thoughts, his business, his hobby is entertainment. He is on the path he was destined to be on, simply put. And, Aaron, was given the political genes, and he is on his path. Both men, who are gay, were fine until Aaron wrote a letter to Adam, and made it an open letter in order to manipulate and control Adam and stear Adam’s career away from his destiny in order to serve Aaron and his agenda. There goes liberty for all of us when we allow anyone to succeed in governing our lives by their will not our own will. What makes it worse,far worse, is this young singer is just starting his recording career and all this take-over attempt by ‘Out’ is squeezing the hearts of all the people Adam has bright light and healing to, by simply being himself and by bringing us so much pleasure with his singing and with his stage performances. Adam is a whole person, an outstanding singer, a passionate entertainer and we need that and we don’t need him to start spouting politics -it is for others to do- Adam opened a space for that by the way he opened a multiple number of minds and hearts, he has done his part, now it is for others to step up and fill that space. People with the passion for politics and current events not a person with a passion to sing songs.
seanboy
Adam Lambert is a douche. For a guy who is more feminine than my sisters and wears more makeup than a hooker he has to remember he wouldn’t be able to be who he is today if it weren’t for all those that came before him and lived their gay lives openly and OUT. How convenient now that he has “success” he doesn’t seem to want to do squat for LGBT issues. The man is pushing 30. I can understand if he were younger, but he needs to grow up.
Lambert needs to get ready for the national tour of CATS because that is what he is going to be doing in about 2 years.
romeo
To the Eds: I just love it when you put up a new Adam thread. Love all these new “guys” posting here. “Antinous” ? I just wish they’d say something NEW!
jason
To an extent, I agree with Adam. I don’t see why every gay man must abide by the segregated narrow-mindedness of the official gay community.
vv
Just like Dylan did not want to be the poster boy against Vietnam, adam does not want to be the poster boy for the gay agenda. It’s that simple.
DelphKC
I agree with the first guy, I think OUT is out of line… Lambert runs around wearing make-up and being very himself, very gay 24/7 for all to see. He’s doing great for gay visibility.
I don’t think Lambert has any responsibility to talk politics and fill the role of some gay rights leader just because a silly magazine demands it. That they threw a hissy fit just goes to show how silly, and narrow-minded, that magazine really is.
Even the posting on this website is idiotic for fanning the flames even further. When did the gay community turn into such a bunch of Nazis???
Cam
So it wasn’t his handlers that acted douche and anti-gay it was Adam. Funny, he didn’t want to appear “Too GAy” but he had no problem grabbing a girls tit on the Details shoot. wasn’t that acting “Too Straight”? So it appears that “Labels” aren’t what Adam is afraid of, just the lable “Gay”….
The fact that his singles aren’t doing well should give him pause about alienating the gay community. Cher and Madonna played to us and long after they may have had their last big hits, they are still selling out concerts and putting out platinum selling greatest hits CD’s Clay Aiken didn’t play to us, and his last few CD’s bombed and he can’t sell a room. Donna Summer had problems with us and can’t sell CD’s now. Their straight fans moved on, but gay fans are loyal. I think if Adams CD doesn’t explode in the future he may regret his actions on this.
Cam
Oh, and to all of Adams little fan girls posting on here and having hissy fits. All you are doing with your anti-gay community comments is convincing people who may have bought his CD’s to not buy them if he’s supported by such vicious little attack dogs. You may want to back off.
Aaron
David, you’re entitled to a opinion on how I edit Out, but I think it’s unfair to say we carried water for Mika. Did you read that cover story (you might need to rejog your memory, since it ran in June 2007)? The whole piece was predicated on how he was exploiting the dubious concept of “post-gay” in the way he refused to characterize himself as gay or straight. You certainly do an injustice to the story’s author who was very direct in addressing the issues, and in canvassing other musicians who were less than flattering about Mika’s choices.
As for putting straight people on the cover, well yes we do. I’m curious what your beef is with that? As I said in my editor’s letter, addressed to Adam, it’s always been the case that it’s easier for gay magazines to secure straight celebrities, but we only do so when we think they are genuinely part of that space where gay and straight sensibilities meet. Besides which, perhaps it’s missed your notice that we’ve had Beth Ditto and the Pet Shop Boys on our covers this year, bona fide gay celebrities with plenty to say, and no anxieties around how they’re presented. As for your trite comment that LGBTs in Out are rarer than hen’s teeth, we take it you haven’t actually looked at the current issue that is the cause of so much contention, in which we’ve identified and photographed 100 LGBT heroes that between them get 55 pages of the magazine. Guess hen’s teeth are more plentiful you realized?
chris
Our community would be much better off by trading that weird nelly ungrateful little tur* off for a few more DAN CHOI’s .
Dan is a true hero of our community deserving our praise.
Landon Bryce
Aaron,
You edit a gay magazine that focuses on gay people in one issue a year. That’s a problem, not something to brag about
You had no trouble putting Bruno on the cover, and did so without an interview out of character. Adam Lambert is not doing anything that could be seen as encouraging violence against gay people. You think Bruno is great, but your personal feelings prevented the gay community from getting actual journalism regarding BRUNO.
You do not take gay politics any more seriously than Adam Lambert does, and you are trashing him only in desperate attempt to save your sinking ship.
Love the fuss you made about the difference between OUT and THE ADVOCATE– how is that relevant when THE ADVOCATE is now only an insert for your piece of shit?
RLS
Wow, the editor of Out is on this very thread. Now perhaps I can make a comment about the state of that magazine and someone in charge will actually hear it:
I’m a gay black man, and the lack of gay black male representation in your magazine is extremely disappointing. I don’t know if you have ever in history featured a gay black man on your cover, and it’s super-sad that in 2009 we’re still being ignored by magazines like yours that claim to represent the gay community. In fact, I feel like you represent nothing more than the rich, white gay male aesthetic that has been shoved down our throats ever since gay media really took off, and it’s irresponsible and even worse B-O-R-I-N-G.
You should take a look at Instinct to get a decent idea of how to celebrate the diversity in our community. I choose to spend my subscription dollars with a magazine that at least acknowledges my existence every once in a while.
Tadpolicus Wex
Adam chose a “cliche” image for his cd, feminine, sissy-like, the queer wears make-up in his 30s, bound for the traveling theater circuit…cry me a fucking river fellow homo’s, as a gay man he willingly chose to craft his image into a female leaning archetype, which is not only balls out courageous but pretty damn non-conformist. The hordes of Adam fans vote for gay issues and can be mobilized to support us strategically.
Now I could give a shit about the piss poor quality of his music, but all OUT ever did for me is reduce my bank by about 20 dollars.
Besides, OUT is like a giant HIV meds pharmaceutical sales reach-around!
Cam
No. 27 · Landon Bryce said….
Aaron,
You edit a gay magazine that focuses on gay people in one issue a year. That’s a problem, not something to brag about
You had no trouble putting Bruno on the cover, and did so without an interview out of character. Adam Lambert is not doing anything that could be seen as encouraging violence against gay people. You think Bruno is great, but your personal feelings prevented the gay community from getting actual journalism regarding BRUNO.
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Landon, I agree with you to a point, HOWEVER, I think that part of the issues is this. Maybe OUT could GET more gay celebs on the cover if their homophobic, closet case publicists wouldn’t keep telling all of them to stay in the closet. I think it is very interesting that recently a gay director was saying “Don’t come out” to gay people in Hollywood, now you have Adam having his people telling the magazine not to make him look too gay, when he had no trouble grabbing a girls tit for “Details” which is oviously making him look straight. It’s hypocritical and unless his CD stricks platinum he will regret alienating the gay community since we are much more loyal than a bunch of little fangirls. They’ll move on to the next thing while the gay community has stuck with the likes of Cher, Madonna, The Pet Shopt Boys, ABBA, Kylie, etc… for years.
staciegirlie
Enough already. If you’re not going to support Adam, please him alone. You need to look at yourselves when asking why more political progress isn’t being made. This drama is like silently observing someone’s behavior and then ANNOUNCING to the subject that you’re going to be watching them.
Translation: Hicklin and you others who keep attacking Adam are tearing down any progress he’s ever made just by being himself.
And don’t tell me I don’t understand because I’m straight. I have gay friends whom I hold dear to my heart whose futures are also riding on Adam bridging the gap. But everytime I get on the net, this is the crap I see…people burning down all the bridges he’s building.
Susie
Adam’s talent alone (with which he overflows) will make him an international rock star. Maybe I missed it but I don’t remember Adam ever saying that he would NEVER be engaged in the gay struggle for mainstream acceptance and rights – quite the opposite! He just wants to start and concentrate on his music career first and foremost which is his right and makes the most sense. Adam has a very large following of non-gays and we accept and love him the way nature intended him to be. He need not change for us. Adam has time after getting established to make a difference in gay rights. Why put that responsbility, or yoke as someone stated above, on young Adam so early in his rock career? For now he can lead by example. I’m happy that he has the smarts and guts to stand up for himself and what he wants / thinks / believes. Adam has already made a huge difference in the lives of musicians that needed help with the sale of his pendants for MusiCares, furthermore, what about the thousands of $$s Adam’s fans raised for DonorsChoose to benefit the arts in classrooms? Have people already forgotten how special that is? Adam didn’t stop to ask are these children gay or straight. He just wanted to help children with their arts/music projects period. This speaks volumes to me about Adam’s love and dedication to others, especially children – any child. I believe the time will come when Adam will accept his role in advancing gay rights, but for now he just wants to sing and entertain – that’s enough and that’s all we should expect of him at this time in his life. Hicklin’s content, style and timing in writing and airing that letter to Adam was poorly thought out and executed. I’m sure Adam must be very hurt right now to have been so attacked. OUT and Hicklin own Adam a huge apology.
Anon
Aaron is taking advantage of Adam’s popularity. The letter was completely out of line, both the attitude and putting it in the magazine. Hollywood games. But now we know your name, Aaron. As someone whose cause is blinding. What a mean and selfish thing to do. Adam seems to be just fine, with or without your endorsement.
wah wah wah
“Out just lost access to the biggest new gay celebrity in the world. That is a big deal.”
Really? If he’s saying he doesn’t want to be a ‘gay’ celebrity, does not want to talk about gay issues, and sees nothing wrong with demands like not being on a cover without straight people, what is Out losing?
Perhaps Adam Lambert actually lost access to a large segment of the gay community….”
Cam
No. 31 · staciegirlie said…
And don’t tell me I don’t understand because I’m straight.
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Stacie, you don’t understand because you are straight.
Seriously, what you see is some singer who wears black nailpolish and who you like and want to listen to sing. Therefore you are determined to defend him because you don’t want anybody else attacking somebody you like.
What many of US see, is somebody who was forced out of the closet because pictures of him kissing another man emerged, and who now might be doing the same old song and dance of “Gee, I don’t want to be labeled” and “Why do I have to mention sexuality” while at the same time other musicions like Tim McGraw, Pete Wentz, etc… are ALWAYS mentioned along with their girlfriends, wives etc… When adam had a boyfriend, did people magazine every go and talk to him? Funny because we’ve sure heard a hell of a lot about every other straight singers relationships. So Adam can make a decission, he can either be Sean Hayes or David Hyde Pierce who sit there and never mention anything, or he can be Neil Patrick Harris. Who has the better career now?
staciegirlie
I wonder how many people who donated in Adam’s charities were actually gay. I think you need to put your money where you mouth is.
Blondiegrrl
Tadpolicious Wex: “The hordes of Adam fans vote for gay issues and can be mobilized to support us strategically.”
That’s what I was hoping, and I was trying to figure out a way to help accomplish this task. But the Out magazine letter seems to have set off a political bomb. Have you seen any of the comments on the forum at Adam Official? They are positively frothing at the mouth over there, and they’re blaming “militant gays” for trying to ruin Adam’s career. It’s like stepping into a great big Twilight Zone of irony. Frankly, I don’t think either side (meaning Adam or Out magazine) is 100 percent right or wrong. At this point it’s probably best to just let it go until everybody cools down.
romeo
@ Staciegirlie #31: Wasn’t really going to participate in another Adam shit storm; frankly, it’s getting redundant. I give Adam his due, he’s had to put up with a lot of very sinister crap. But what the editor of OUT was saying is not the same thing. If Adam refuses to consider other points of view, considering some of the things he says and does, then he will never learn. And the shit storms will get worse and worse. Adam is not handling this situation well.
As for what Adam has done for gay people, well, that remains to be seen. But the real work was done by REALLY brave people over decades of sacrifice and defiance against unimaginable odds. All done so Adam could come out and be himself and not get arrested. But neither you nor Adam have much concept of that.
Cam
No. 36 · staciegirlie said….
I wonder how many people who donated in Adam’s charities were actually gay. I think you need to put your money where you mouth is.
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See, thats how blinded you are by your weird fangirl obsessions. It never occured to you that there are many many charities out there. Not just the ones that Adam is representing. So just because you finally got tired of brushing your cat and looking for something else to do while the boys don’t call, please don’t pretend to have any idea about real life.
staciegirlie
Wait a minute, Cam. While I have not LIVED the struggles you have, I can take a step back and see all the similarities between the black community and the gay community. You both have more than your share of those who self-destruct. Plus, I’ve cried my tears with 2 of my gay friends who have been victims of brutal crimes who are both very lucky to be alive. So stop alienating all your Allies and people who just might become allies because of your bickering.
Sam
When the nation’s leading Gay lifestyle magazine can’t land a solo cover of an out, newly risen pop star – there is a story there that needs to be told.
Carlton W
CAM I guess you would label me one of YOU. But I disagree with you. I am part of this gay “community” and I will buy whoever’s CD I want to buy. I guess I didn’t get the memoto boycott certain singers careers.
Aiken bombed not because the gay community boycotted him but RCA boycotted him after he sued them. In addition his music stylings are not what one would consider to be contemporary by any stretch of the imagination.
I agreed with Adam’s comments and disagreed with Hicklin. What I don’t understand is your strong animosity toward Adam. All I see is a talented guy who just wants to sing (by the way his handlers are gay). He has repeatedly stated he wants to do “his thing”.
He has proclamined numerous times he’s comfortable with his sexuality and he’s proud of his sexuality. He’s publically made out with his boyfriend which is tantamount to career suicide in the minds of a lot of straights. Not sure why you are reading this big political agenda into his statements.
hardmannyc
CAM:
Donna Summer never made that statement about AIDS being God’s damnation of the gays. The reporter from New York Magazine retracted it. She’s been a very caring person gay-wise. And her albums sell, and she does very well touring.
David Hyde-Pierce is out and proud. He’s a major supporter of several gay causes.
Get your facts straight.
Don
my sister is dyslexic. she is constantly criticized for choosing not to be a poster child for learning disabilities. think about it.
Cam
No. 40 · staciegirlie said….
Wait a minute, Cam. While I have not LIVED the struggles you have, I can take a step back and see all the similarities between the black community and the gay community. You both have more than your share of those who self-destruct. Plus, I’ve cried my tears with 2 of my gay friends who have been victims of brutal crimes who are both very lucky to be alive. So stop alienating all your Allies and people who just might become allies because of your bickering.
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And yet you are coming on here screaming at gays because we may be annoyed at something a singer you like said. Don’t talk to me about alienating allies, you are doing MUCH more damage to Adams possible record sales. This whole thing would have blown over, but you folks come on here, attack us and DEMAND that we think Adam is the most wonderful, bravest, most perfect person ever! Well I have to tell you. I went from being irritated that he was playing the “Labels” game to being completely disgusted by a bunch of weird fans coming on here and demanding that the gay community never dare to say a bad word about your hero. At this point I never would buy a CD by the guy because you have left such a horrible taste in my mouth about him.
Landon Bryce
CAM:
I guess where we disagree is that I see Aaron Hicklin and OUT as very much part of a gay media culture that treats straight people with appreciation and gay people with disdain. I think you’re right about the principles, and Adam Lambert’s behavior here has doomed any chance I would ever buy anything he produced. I would have bought it mostly out of a sense of obligation that I don’t feel now.
Cam
No. 43 · hardmannyc said….
CAM:
Donna Summer never made that statement about AIDS being God’s damnation of the gays. The reporter from New York Magazine retracted it. She’s been a very caring person gay-wise. And her albums sell, and she does very well touring.
David Hyde-Pierce is out and proud. He’s a major supporter of several gay causes.
Get your facts straight.
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The facts of the Donna Summer situation were that people thought she said it and her record sales plummeted. Additionally New York Magazine and Summers sued each other. Neither commented after the suit. Lastly here is a reprint of an article regarding an incident at her first comeback tour in the 80’s
“”Apparently, after a 1983 concert in Atlantic City, Summer was talking to the fans, as she liked to do at this first-comeback point in her career. A man with AIDS asked her to pray for him, because he knew of her born-again Christian beliefs, and she said she would be delighted. Someone else piped up that she was being hypocritical. At that point, all accounts get fuzzy and overblown, but every witness says that the heated situation deteriorated, with many outraged patrons shouting as they left the auditorium. In more than one account, Summer said that AIDS appeared in the gay community because of its reckless lifestyle… but did not say that AIDS was God’s punishment. She and the gay fan prayed together, she asked him to turn his life to Christ, and she embraced him.
—D.L. Groover, OutSmart magazine”
The fact being look at the last Madonnna Tour, the Last Cher tour and the last Donna Summer tour. Whether or not she made the statements, people reacted and her sales dropped. That is the point I am making.
As for David hyde Pierce, he would never discuss his personal life while he was on TV. He only recently came out, several years after he was off the air. He may be supportive of gay causes but it was always from the closet while he was an A lister on TV. Anybody can come out of the closet when their career is over, just ask Lance Bass and Clay Aiken.
Cam
No. 46 · Landon Bryce said….
CAM:
I guess where we disagree is that I see Aaron Hicklin and OUT as very much part of a gay media culture that treats straight people with appreciation and gay people with disdain.
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I can see where you’re coming from, truthfully I rarely read OUT, prefering Instinct or the two from Briton, Attitue and GT, because the Advocate, OUT and Genre had become so bland. But If OUT is going to start going after the Hypocrites out there and really being a gay magazine I will definitly subscribe, it seems like they’ve started. lol
Qjersey
if OUT want’s to be a “lifestyle” magazine, how about featuring things most of us can actually afford?
both OUT and the Advocate have lost their journalistic voices and have become waiting room pablum.
John from England(used to be just John but there are other John's)
@ hardmannyc
No, Donna Summer said that and retracted it. Like all the other black entertainment stars the gaays love!
Self hate anyone??
@ Cam
I rarely post here cause it’s not that good anymore at all but at least you’re providing debate, something Queerty used to do.
I do see what you mean but at the same time-different strokes. We live in an eco-system here and if we were all crusaders/changemakers/etc, than our society wouldn’t function cohesively.
Adam, part of that eco-system and within HIS skills, plays just fine as an entertainer. That’s it. He LOOKS gay. And he KISSES men.
Thats all I need. I’d rather leave the work to the bigguns.
Mark
Adam who?
Cam
No. 50 · John from England(used to be just John but there are other John’s) said….
@ Cam
I rarely post here cause it’s not that good anymore at all but at least you’re providing debate, something Queerty used to do.
I do see what you mean but at the same time-different strokes. We live in an eco-system here and if we were all crusaders/changemakers/etc, than our society wouldn’t function cohesively.
Adam, part of that eco-system and within HIS skills, plays just fine as an entertainer. That’s it. He LOOKS gay. And he KISSES men.
Thats all I need. I’d rather leave the work to the bigguns.
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Hi John,
Your point is well taken, and I agree for the most part. The funny thing is, as I mentioned to Adam’s fans. His comments would have blown over and I would have forgotten them, but the fact that they are coming on here and attacking the gay community has been almost more irritating than the origional comments! lol I think they are doing much more damage to him than they realize.
equityactor
Aaron:
You no longer control the narrative. Everyone sees the disparity in the “story”. (except the naive who believe Obama secretly supports gay marriage LOL)
1. Why did you fail to reveal the publicist is gay until sliding it into a tweet the next day? How did the gay dog whistle fail? Even I understand that language.
i.e. “we’re not going for The Village People here so not too gay-gay, ok?”
And who the hell are YOU to determine how the Lambert brand will be positioned? Like every other celebrity. EQUALITY remember?
2. Why did you have Shana do the pre-interview herself if you had so much trouble setting it up?
Do you always send weak “awkward” (her words) people to meet with RCA execs for the most important interview in some time?
3. What was the EXACT QUOTE and context of the “gay-gay’ reference?
4. What was the EXACT QUOTE and context of the “having a straight person on the cover” complaint?
5. Further how dare you introduce the murdered kid onto today’s continued conversation on your site about Lambert then tweet you want to move past it. Slimy.
And for anyone who thinks that this mess won’t impact future marriage votes if it escalates, you’re living on a message board. Hicklin is Perez revisited. Creating a “shit storm” just before that election was the dumbest ass thing I’ve ever heard of and STILL you guys are wasting time flailing and getting off on the current Prejean sex tape stupidity.
Lambert fans WILL likely vote for LGBT marriage. Especially the women. Casual outsiders reading this crap and seeing it on TV will go with the narrative that the community is a bunch of ridiculous infighting wacky cat fighters. Juxtaposed with makeout photos of him with Drake and several Glamazon exposes.
And the funniest part is, Lambert will come out smelling like a rose because he’s NICE. INCLUSIVE and doesn’t toss around phrases like “homo hating cult following breeders”.
shit @Romeo I wasn’t gonna get into this again either but stopped back to say have a good weekend (hug)
equityactor
equityactor = swarm romeo
staciegirlie
Cam, do you really think that I found my gay friends after I became a fangirl of Adam’s? I’ve known these guys long before Adam came onto the scene. I’m aware of the many charities out there,howver you quickly want to forget all the good Adam does. If I was Adam I would ask not to be asked about politics either, because no matter what he says someone has a problem with it.
@Romeo, you know I respect your opinion. I even tried the yucky yogurt you recommended. You did warn me. But, anyway, I think Adam did the right thing to ask his publicist to ask OUT not to ask him any questions that would put him in a position to say something which would have been construed as awkward, inappropriate, offensive (to the gay community.)
I can just imagine it now if he had been asked those questions. The topic of the day would’ve been everyone fussing at him no matter what came out his mouth. I can guarantee you that.
John from England(used to be just John but there are other John's)
Lol CAM.
I guess it has been going on for a while with the fans but, but don’t play into it dude! You’re bright!
But I’m not sure how worse their reaction is compared to some of the really rude gay commenters on here…?
sirald66
Regent/Here Media just cut top staff from The Advocate and HIV+ magazine, and their top magazine editor smacks a gay icon?
Smooth.
Cam
No. 53 · equityactor
Aaron:
You no longer control the narrative. Everyone sees the disparity in the “story”. (except the naive who believe Obama secretly supports gay marriage LOL)
1. Why did you fail to reveal the publicist is gay until sliding it into a tweet the next day? How did the gay dog whistle fail? Even I understand that language.
i.e. “we’re not going for The Village People here so not too gay-gay, ok?”
And who the hell are YOU to determine how the Lambert brand will be positioned? Like every other celebrity. EQUALITY remember?
2. Why did you have Shana do the pre-interview herself if you had so much trouble setting it up?
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The fact that you know so many of the details shows you are kind of a scary fangirl. Additionally, if his publicist is gay it’s irrelevant. As has been complained about MANY MANY times in the gay community it is the scared to by out gay publicists in Hollywood that are as much to blame as the straight ones. Recently a gay director was lambasted for telling young clebs NOT to come out of the closet. So he sexuality of his publicist is basically a non-issue. Especially since Adam has now behaved the same way and classified a gay magazine as having an “Agenda”. Well yes Adam, that agenda would be that you can now be discovered to be gay and not be arrested for it.
The fact, also that you are using the first names of all these inside people makes it sound like you are just a nutty Clay Aiken fan who switched alligences. So desperate to be a part of something..ugh. (Sorry John from England, had to respond. ) LOL
Cam
No. 57 · sirald66 said…
Regent/Here Media just cut top staff from The Advocate and HIV+ magazine, and their top magazine editor smacks a gay icon?
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Icon? You’re kidding right?
staciegirlie
Cam, your threats don’t scare me. I know good and well you never intended on buying Adam’s CD in the first place. People say bad things all the time about Adam–give him bad reviews, talk about him like a dog, etc, etc. Does that sway me from wanting to buy his Album. No, because I’m a true fan. Don’t pretend. You’ve always hated Adam. And FYI, I’ve seen the other fights you have among yourselves that has nothing to do with Adam.
Does this scenario sound familar? We’re trying to organize a gay-rights function when out breaks a pissing match between the leader and the wanna be leader, nothing gets done, the whole group breaks up, misses the deadlines for the event…blah, blah, etc. etc. Been there…sitting in the corner…riding out the storm til it passed. Should’ve got up and left.
Cam
No. 60 · staciegirlie said…
Cam, your threats don’t scare me. I know good and well you never intended on buying Adam’s CD in the first place. People say bad things all the time about Adam–give him bad reviews, talk about him like a dog, etc, etc. Does that sway me from wanting to buy his Album. No, because I’m a true fan. Don’t pretend. You’ve always hated Adam. And FYI, I’ve seen the other fights you have among yourselves that has nothing to do with Adam.
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You are insane. And you’ve abviously embraced the vicomology B.S. that the Clay Aiken fans did. Your comment of “Your threats don’t scare me” show how psychotically you’ve embrased this. Come down off the roof fangirl, I have news for you…this isn’t about you. I actually voted for Lambert and was all set to buy his CD whether I liked it or not. hell somebody gay nearly won Idol. I even bitched that it was a bunch of right winger-danny Gokey fans who probably called in for Chris just so a gay guy wouldn’t win. So please stop with your little insane tirades that your poor victim is just being put upon. He and his team made their statements, Gay people resonded for good or ill about them, and now about of you nutcases are coming on here in complete spun out snits. Seriously, pick up a self help book.
Tadpolicus Wex
CAM
In regards to flavors left in ones mouth, I nominate Nate Berkus to peplace Aaron as EIC to OUT Magazine. Unlike Aaron (and Adam) I am certain he would leave a good taste in your mouth. (wink wink)
Tom
Cam –
You come across crazier than the “fan girls” you are addressing. She’s only been polite in the discussion – you’re getting pretty vitriolic.
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Lambert can do what he wants and OF COURSE he wants to control his image. Who even knows if the term “too gay” was used?
I’m not even a fan, but see that OUT was in the wrong. They sure had no problem slapping him on the cover, did they? If were so upset, they should not have trumped him up and then torn him down.
It’s funny, about 90% of the comments on this and other gay blogs are so acidic and bitter.
What are YOU doing for gay rights?
romeo
Yeah, Stacie, it is yucky, but it’s supposed to help you poop. Got my priorities straight. LOL
Swarm, why the alias? Is the law on your ass? LOL
Adam will be alright. Most of this stuff is only a vague background noise to the mainstream media and the general public. But I know I’m making a sensible point about him needing to be more careful about what he says and how he presents himself. I don’t think he truly understands that he’s in a different ballgame. And up to now, the mainstream media has been a little nervous about how to treat him, so he’s been getting softball questions. But that could change if they figure they’ve just got a playa on their hands, and I’d hate to see him in that situation because, from what I’ve seen, I don’t think he could handle it. He needs to be more forthright and less coy. I want him to succeed because he’s a good singer, and also because he’s gay. I don’t want to see the Adam Lambert train wreck.
Tadpolicus Wex
er, replace
staciegirlie
Cam, I was just about to tell you to pick up a self-help book of your own. I understand how Adam’s words would upset you without understanding the context in which he meant them. Did you ever stop to consider he’s been asked these questions before and it makes him feel uncomfortable right now? And please don’t compare me to a Clay Aikin fan and I’m not psychotic…I actually HAVE a psychology degree.
staciegirlie
*Aiken*
Cam
No. 63 · Tom said…
Cam –
You come across crazier than the “fan girls” you are addressing. She’s only been polite in the discussion – you’re getting pretty vitriolic.
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Lambert can do what he wants and OF COURSE he wants to control his image. Who even knows if the term “too gay” was used?
I’m not even a fan, but see that OUT was in the wrong. They sure had no problem slapping him on the cover, did they? If were so upset, they should not have trumped him up and then torn him down.
It’s funny, about 90% of the comments on this and other gay blogs are so acidic and bitter.
What are YOU doing for gay rights?
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Yeah Tom, you’re right, she was just being polite, telling us that If we don’t support Adam that Gay rights will fall and that that is why we aren’t getting more rights, additionally taking every dissagreement as a threat and playing a complete nutbag victimology card….
“Cam, your threats don’t scare me. I know good and well you never intended on buying Adam’s CD in the first place….always hated Adam.
And lastly, I can tell you right now, that the majority of us on this site have done more for gay rights. The fact that we identify with ourselves enough to frequent a gay blog. to say nothing of the fact that if you’ve been reading this blog and are not some odd fangirl using a mock name you would see that most of us are constantly arguing about where to donate our time and money, from charities, to the March, to HRC to other gay issues and charities. So the fact that you would tie in dissagreement with Adam Lambert as an attack at gay rights would seem to indicate that your priorities are increadibly messed up.
Cam
No. 66 · staciegirlie said…
Cam, I was just about to tell you to pick up a self-help book of your own. I understand how Adam’s words would upset you without understanding the context in which he meant them. Did you ever stop to consider he’s been asked these questions before and it makes him feel uncomfortable right now? And please don’t compare me to a Clay Aikin fan and I’m not psychotic…I actually HAVE a psychology degree.
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So you’re a mind reader? Please point out where he has said that he’s comfortable grabbing a girls tit for a magazine but is very uncomfortable being ased any questions that might make him “Look Gay”. For somebody who doesn’t want to be compared to a Clay Aiken fan you certainly are acting like one. They used to come in here as well and always say things like “Well maybe clay is just thinking….” or “The Reason Clay did that is probably because…..”
Again, it is way too much a part of your life whether or not people are not happy with something that a singer you are a fan of said. I like Lady Gaga, but if somebody said they thought something she said was stupid, it would never occur to me to get into an argument about it. I like her music, end of story, the fact that you are coming on here to a gay blog where we discuss gay issues, to attack everybody who may have said that they didn’t like what a singer you are a fan of said….well it’s a little obsessive. If you have a Psycho degree that should be clear to you.
Tadpolicus Wex
CAM and staciegirlie
For the love of cats, your taunting us with “Aiken”. It’s like Poltergeist 3 and the Reverend Kaine, like Tangina says, he was GONEEEE, you just had to talk about HIMMMM, she had FORGOTTT about HIMMMM, he was DEADDDD and now you brought him back (and the Claytards too…
OUTSIDE INNNNNNN
staciegirlie
Cam, probably both a mind reader and mind analyzer, thank you. You have great observation skills of your own. While I have no problems with Clay fans as long as they leave Adam alone. I used to be a silent Clay fan who only voted for him and then bought his music until he stuck his foot in his mouth by attacking one of his own for no good reason.
I still don’t believe you think Adam doesn’t want to be made to look too gay. Are you kidding me? I think you need to look at exhibit A and B. Kissing ex-boyfriend in parking lot, Album cover.
hardmannyc
David Hyde-Pierce starred above the title in three Broadway shows, two of them major musicals.
For some of us, that’s a much bigger deal than third-billed on a TV sitcom.
You apparently believe that starring on Broadway means your career is over. I feel sorry for you if you believe that, because you’re missing the best of our popular culture.
staciegirlie
And Cam, thanks for making my workday fly by faster. I had no intentions of arguing with you or anyone else today. But that always seems to happen whenever I comment on this site.
staciegirlie
Cam, I never said Adam was your cure all, end all solution for equal rights. (I finally read your reply to Tom). But I’m willing to bet your defeatist attitude absolutely does nothing for your community. You know that phrase, United we stand, divided we fall? You should adopt it.
staciegirlie
Yeah Cam, a psycho degree. When you gonna make an appointment to see me?
Sue
this is pretty textbook stuff. i’m a girl nerd. often decline invitations to speak about how persecuted women are in a male-dominated field. it’s pretty obvious i support the cause but give me a break, there’s more than 1 way to be an activist.
from billboard to out:
Billboard interview:
…the Rolling Stone article; since then he’s unwittingly become Adam Lambert, Icon for Gay Youth. It’s not a mantle he shoulders easily.
“I don’t want to be a spokesperson for anybody, no matter who they are,” he says. “I’m not following this career path to be a role model or to be a poster child for anything except for music. If there’s an indirect impact that my presence has on certain issue, then I think that’s a good thing.”
It’s a mature point of view to take as Lambert’s private life becomes inextricably linked to his public persona. It’s an issue that will get raised again and again-as he walked the red carpet for “2012,” for example, he was asked if he brought a date. His laughing response? “My date is my jacket, actually.”
Reene
I am straight, female and white. Perhaps I shouldn’t have the right to speak up here at all but I’m going to say this anyway. I believe that everyone should have equal rights to marry, to love and live their life as they see fit. I was enraged by Prop 8 and Maine. I’m disgusted by the pitiful state of human rights in this country and around the world. I’m a liberal through and through.
So with that said, I don’t understand why such an incredibly talented guy who is openly gay and proud of it and somebody who is simply being himself and living his life freely cannot be, if not celebrated, just allowed to BE and maybe just a tiny bit supported or at least not castigated at every turn? He is young and of a different mindset than Hicklin so perhaps there’s a disconnect there.
One of the first things I learned about Adam Lambert came from the American Idol website where his bio stated that his hero was Harvey Milk. So, naively, I thought, wow, what a great thing that is!!! And then he started to do really, really well on the show and I thought the gay community must be so proud of him now. I knew he’d come out after the show, I had no doubt in my mind. The guy was no Clay Aiken! Didn’t anybody see his “Ring Of Fire” and “A Change Is Gonna Come performances”?
Boy, was I wrong about the support! From what I read around the internet, it seems there are degrees of gayness and what is gay enough for one isn’t gay enough for another. And it’s all coming from other gay people. To me, you were either born gay or you weren’t. You either are or you aren’t. So it was sad to see the horrid comments about how he’s too much like a queen, has bad skin, is fat, screams too much, is too flamboyant, too in-your-face, the finger pointing over his amazing album cover that I couldn’t stop staring at etc. etc. I had secondhand embarrassment just reading comments on various gay sites.
I will continue to support Adam because I believe he is an amazing once-in-a-generation talent and because of what I’ve seen of him as a person so far. I wish more people would just forget all the BS, move past petty debates over whether Adam was right or wrong in the pissing contest with Hicklin and enjoy the first artist to start his budding career as openly gay man. I mean, isn’t that worth anything at all to anybody here?
I apologize if I’ve offended anyone with my words. Wasn’t my intent.
romeo
I don’t know where they got that “icon for gay youth” stuff. I’ve never seen that anywhere. I think Adam planted that. Being pissy again. Coy, coy coy.
romeo
Reene: you haven’t offended anyone, but bored us perhaps. Your post is almost word for word like a zillion other posts from straight women we get in here. None of you are reading what we’re saying here. You are not comprehending the gist of the dialogue here, and you’re not helping Adam.
And incidentally, the pissing contest with Hicklin was not my concern. The shitty things ADAM said about gay people in the actual interview was what I couldn’t believe. Adam needs to learn how to watch his mouth, too. Go back to your regular sites and tell them that.
Reene
Romeo: Okay. Sorry, I tried to say something but deep down I knew I shouldn’t have bothered. I’ll go back to my “regular sites” where we already talked about this and know that he is a self-confessed filter-free person. It’s one of the things we love about him.
Carry on with the in-fighting.
Blondiegrrl
Reene, are you saying that the entire “gay community” is responsible for the actions of its individuals? (i.e. the Adam bashing you referenced) Based on that logic, I suppose the entire straight population is responsible for the actions of its homophobes. I see plenty of support for Adam here. If you’d bothered to read the replies before you posted, you would have seen that too. But you were too busy lecturing “the gays” on how to behave.
romeo
We thank you, Blondiegrrl: Consider yourself an honorary gay guy.
Dakota
Good for Adam in realizing that we,the public,do not want to hear the opinion of another entertainer just because they are asked for one. Remember the days when singers, actors, etc just entertained and we didn’t have to endure every little thought they had? Maybe he’ll bring back social manners!
John from England(used to be just John but there are other John's)
@ Romeo
Hugs.
staciegirlie
@Romeo. I hear what you’re saying. At least, I believe I understand what you’re saying. I believe you understand what I’m saying, hopefully.
I’m going to use an analogy which I’m sure you haven’t heard yet for the sake of those who don’t understand where we’re coming from. Are you familiar with the Nazca Lines of Peru? Standing on the ground close to everything around you, you can’t see or notice this phenomenon exists. If you observe it from afar, you can see the whole picture, right?
romeo
Hopefully the whole picture is as symmetrical and graceful as those images. Yes, I’m familiar with them.
Beyond the grossly unfair generalization about gay men in his interview, I was so annoyed that he had no comprehension about our contribution to art and culture generally.
I mean, if you walk into any public library with sections on great literature, science, economics, architecture, you name it, and you ask the librarian to see some books by gay authors, any responsible librarian would have to shrug their shoulders and say “it’s pretty much the whole fucking joint” ! If you look at the history of the world, I’m serious, there’d be no civilization without us. Even with all the repression we’ve had to endure the last 2000 years, our cultural impact has been undiminished.
And Adam is completely clueless about that? WTF ?
AlwaysGay
Aaron Hicklin a couple years ago chose Johnny Knoxville (a heterosexual) for the cover instead of Lance Bass because he felt coming out was so tired. Out magazine and almost all other supposed gay magazines don’t value gay people. They put gay people in the back of the magazines while they give heterosexuals the red carpet treatment. I want all these haterosexual-worshipping magazines to die and all the employees to get jobs where they don’t talk about anything related to gay people because they do NOT respresent gay people, they represent haterosexuals. Aaron Hicklin has no business telling any a gay person what to do in his or her life since he has always supported haterosexual oppression.
Gay people do not help in situations like this. First, if gay advocates did their jobs of working FOR gay people instead of trying to appeal to haterosexuals we would not look to celebrities to lead the way. However we are in a situation where gay advocates don’t want to take a leap forward because that would alienate haterosexuals who don’t want gay people anywhere close to a level-playing field with them. Second, gay people don’t do enough to support other gay people especially pro-gay ones or ones breaking barriers like Adam Lambert.
Mithril
It slays me how many gay guys here 1) insult the portion of Adam’s fanbase which is hetero-female, and 2) insult his talent, then have the nerve to warn him that ‘if he doesn’t support them/OUT, they won’t support him’. Get a clue – you AREN’T supporting him! Why in the world would he care about your pitiful warnings to gain nothing, and throw away something huge – his already existing fanbase. And the argument that whether he wants it or not he is a figurehead for the gay community is ridiculous as well. Others may have expectations for him, but only he can choose to address or fulfill those expectations and man, if it were me and I read these bitchy comments I sure wouldn’t be going out of my way to help. Instead of looking at what he’s not doing for you (based on your own entitled sense of what’s due you – geesh!) try looking at what he is doing, just by continuing on as he started. He’s openly gay, he’s performing in a huge spotlight with an already-big and growing international fanbase. You should be happy he has such a large hetero base because maybe then you’ll get some allies you didn’t have before. But some of you seem to prefer dismissing those folks and standing alone. Every heard of the expression ‘cutting off your nose to spite your own face’? Yeah, that’s what you’re doing.
John from England(used to be just John but there are other John's)
@ Alwaygay
Bottom line = money
Cam
No. 72 · hardmannyc said…
David Hyde-Pierce starred above the title in three Broadway shows, two of them major musicals.
For some of us, that’s a much bigger deal than third-billed on a TV sitcom.
You apparently believe that starring on Broadway means your career is over. I feel sorry for you if you believe that, because you’re missing the best of our popular culture.
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hardmannyc, I say this in a non-insulting way, but you have to look outside of NYC once in a while. Broadway is fantastic and I see plays whenever I can, however, David Hyde Pierce was on a show that every week was seen by more people that will go to see a sucessful broadway show’s entire run. Careerwise, good for him he is on Broadway, but you are saying that he is out and proud etc… Sure, he is out now, in the Broadway community, but when he was on Fraisure, and doing interviews with national media constantly he wouldn’t repsond to any questions about his personal life. you like him, thats great, he is in a play that you enjoy, that is great. I’m just saying that when he had a chance to make a differece to a huge segment of the population who doesn’t make it to NYC to see a play he didn’t take it.
Cam
No. 89 · Mithril said….
It slays me how many gay guys here 1) insult the portion of Adam’s fanbase which is hetero-female, and 2) insult his talent, then have the nerve to warn him that ‘if he doesn’t support them/OUT, they won’t support him’. Get a clue – you AREN’T supporting him! Why in the world would he care about your pitiful warnings to gain nothing, and throw away something huge – his already existing fanbase.
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Thank you for admitting that his female fambase would turn on him and desert him if he was “More gay”. And isn’t it funny, you claim that WE are insulting you..and yet, hmmm, funny, none of us are on a hetro Adam fansite are we? No, all of you came in to a gay blog barnstorming to attack us for having discussions about how we feel about what Adam said. Sorry sweety, but if you punch somebody in the face and they push you away YOU aren’t the one who got attacked.
romeo
@ Mithril: Presumably you’re referring to my comments to Reene in here earlier. Let me tell you why we get less than friendly to most, but not all of Adam’s fangirls. You don’t come in here to plead Adam’s cause. You don’t even bother to read our posts or understand our viewpoint.
You come in here to insult gay guys. And most of us here understand why. We are aware of Adam’s relationship to his straight female fans. We know what the female fans are trying to do. Don’t try to bullshit us. A lot of us here have long histories with this stuff ourselves. You don’t want to be treated rudely by people you insult, then don’t come here to do it.
staciegirlie
@Romeo–I don’t believe Adam is clueless about it. Like you said, his mouth can get him in trouble sometimes. So that’s why I stand behind him 100% when he requested not to be asked any political questions. Adam should just keep doing what he’s already doing. Just being himself. Let him grow up some more, gain some more perspective and then he can speak about politics if he wishes. And somebody shut that Prejean character up too.
romeo
@John, hugs back across the sea to you, too.:) Love London, but I haven’t been able to spend as much time in England as I would like. I’m part Scots so I’d like to take a look around up there sometime if I can get over my fear that they’ll slip me some haggis.
Mithril
Cam: Thank you for admitting that his female fambase would turn on him and desert him if he was “More gay”.
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I didn’t say his female fanbase would turn on him – you did you. You implied he did the Details photoshoot with a female to play up the fantasy element of his hetero-female fanbase and that he should not have. From that I inferred you mean to say that if you’re gay you’re a gay man you can only be shown in such a shoot with another gay man. This is so idiotic it isn’t worth my time to address – but carry on with your own personal fantasy.
My point is that why would he listen to your advice about Details or anything else? So far as I can tell – at least based on the bulk of the posts above written by gay men, he is not (at least to them) a fantasy figure. He clearly is to some portion of his hetero-female fanbase. Rail all you want about that and spout your psycho-hysteria and fears about what that means, but he is an amazingly talented performer AND an astute businessman. I couldn’t care less if his statement about being bicurious is true or not – that’s his business (although you seem to think that for some reason it’s yours as well). I couldn’t care less why he did the Details cover the way he did, but I imagine that whether it was because 1) he’s bicurious and that’s a reasonable reflection of that, or 2) he’s A-Okay being a fantasy figure for his female fanbase (gay or hetero), or 3) it just made good business sense, he’s a smart guys who knows what he’s doing.
Mostly I feel sorry for him that he has so many whiny entitled people who want him to kow-tow to their demands at the expense of his own career. Frankly I hope he never gives OUT another interview or photo. I would love Hicklin to lose his job, but alas I suspect this was all a well-planned attempt to extend the failing life of the OUT publication, not from increased sales of this particular issue per se (which he may or may not get) but from the online hits OUT’s name has gotten as a result. It’s a pretty pathetic strategy, but I have an MBA in marketing and I’m pretty sure that’s exactly what it is. Still, jump on that bandwagon if you feel the need (which you clearly do) and make yourself as pathetic as OUT itself.
At least in this regard, it’s still a free country to make a fool of yourself, so carry on.
Cam
No. 94 · staciegirlie said…
@Romeo–I don’t believe Adam is clueless about it. Like you said, his mouth can get him in trouble sometimes. So that’s why I stand behind him 100% when he requested not to be asked any political questions. Adam should just keep doing what he’s already doing. Just being himself. Let him grow up some more, gain some more perspective and then he can speak about politics if he wishes. And somebody shut that Prejean character up too.
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Stacie, that last comment of yours is something I can get on board with. Trust me, I get that Adam is young, he is trying to figure out how things work, he is being talked to by a team of people who all say that they know how this works. I can excuse mistakes. What irritated me was his talking about the “Agenda” of the gay press etc… It was that “Agenda” that is the reason he isn’t in jail now. He was so dismissive that I figured why not be dismissive of him. But actually your last post has brought be back from sheer disgust with him to a wait and see attitude. I’ll give him a chance. However, if he seems to continue to treat being gay as an unwelcome houseguest that he has to tolorate but doesn’t have to deal with I’ll be right back to digust. 😉
Cam
No. 96 · Mithril said…
“I didn’t say his female fanbase would turn on him – you did. ”
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Mithril, don’t lie when the proof is just a few posts back, this is a cut and paste of your words…..
“Get a clue – you AREN’T supporting him! Why in the world would he care about your pitiful warnings to gain nothing, and throw away something huge – his already existing fanbase.”
You said that he would throw away something huge…his already existing fanbase. Don’t get pissed because you got called on it. If that isn’t what you meant to say, then fine, but admit the mistake.
staciegirlie
Oh, lord, I hope Mithril isn’t trying to talk for all of us. What is too gay? Do they mean more effeminate or something?
I’m usually not a fanactical fan. (I remember saying this somewhere.) Adam’s the first. I became fanactical when the Christian Coalition began attacking him. That really, really, really pissed me off. If he had not been attacked and humiliated so publicly and unfairly, I would have just simply bought every album of his that sounded good to me. But, thinking I can be everyone’s knightess, I got on the warpath at everyone who dared attack him. I once vowed to quit this, however… here we are again.
Cam
No. 96 · Mithril said…
It’s a pretty pathetic strategy, but I have an MBA in marketing and I’m pretty sure that’s exactly what it is.
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Wow, another playbook right from the Clay Aiken fan files. They would always come on here, and whatever the argument they would always state a credential that fell right into it. So let me guess, if we had been discussing Adam’s clothes and somebody on here said that they didn’t like them no doubt you would have said “Well I have a degree from FIT and Adam is very fasion forward and right on trend”. If your discussion was valid you wouldn’t need to trumpet a phony degree to back it up. OUT magazine doesn’t need to worry about 15 year old girls buying it…because…guess why? As somebody with an MBA in marketing I would guess you would have figured out that…it isn’t AIMED at 15 year old girls….but you know…nice try. Oh, and as for us making fools of ourselves. No, you are the one in here foaming at the mouth to defend somebody who has no idea you even exist.
Cam
No. 99 · staciegirlie said..
I’m usually not a fanactical fan. (I remember saying this somewhere.) Adam’s the first. I became fanactical when the Christian Coalition began attacking him. That really, really, really pissed me off. If he had not been attacked and humiliated so publicly and unfairly, I would have just simply bought every album of his that sounded good to me. But, thinking I can be everyone’s knightess, I got on the warpath at everyone who dared attack him. I once vowed to quit this, however… here we are again.
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Understood. That can be how gays feel when we think somebody is playing the coy and attacking the community. 😉
Mithril
Romeo:
@ Mithril: Presumably you’re referring to my comments to Reene in here earlier. Let me tell you why we get less than friendly to most, but not all of Adam’s fangirls. You don’t come in here to plead Adam’s cause. You don’t even bother to read our posts or understand our viewpoint.
You come in here to insult gay guys. And most of us here understand why. We are aware of Adam’s relationship to his straight female fans. We know what the female fans are trying to do. Don’t try to bullshit us. A lot of us here have long histories with this stuff ourselves. You don’t want to be treated rudely by people you insult, then don’t come here to do it.
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First of all, I read every one of the 88 posts that preceded my own, and have read all of them after (up to this point at least). Since I’m well-educated and not in general clueless, I will give myself credit (even if you will not) for understanding what was said in print. I cannot pretend to know what true feelings behind every stated post, however, some folks are more transparent with their agenda than others.
Clearly you think a hidden agenda is underway with many of Adam’s female fans. I can’t speak for all of them, only for myself. I didn’t come here to insult gay people. My brother was gay (no, he didn’t become something else – he died) and the very last thing I would do is insult this group of people for their sexuality. However I don’t claim that I haven’t been insulting – I have been, with some actual intent, to Cam – because I believe he deserves it for his behavior to others here. I don’t care what he is or isn’t, that sort of behavior should be called out. I feel the same way about what Hicklin did to Adam publically, and that’s why I’m here saying so. More than that I feel that Hicklin and some others are losing sight of the big picture here. The purpose of gay advocates is to bring about equality in all things, but what he’s done has served to have many people drawing lines in the sand between gays and straights – the exact opposite of what anyone with an ounce of logic should want. I think he did it to support his magazine and his job, but not to support the cause of equality for gays, and for that he deserves to be called out. You may disagree.
You say you know what these ‘fangirls’ are up to – sounds very ominous to me but hey, maybe there’s some conspiracy I wasn’t made aware of when I ‘joined the Adam cause’. And as for not wanting to be treated rudely, don’t worry. I’m a big girl and I can take it, but I can dish it out too, so don’t go crying when I and others do and pretend we’re all here to stomp on your feelings.
AL said he didn’t want to be a political standard bearer. Whether you like his stance or not, it’s not your choice. And whether you like it or not, what the rest of the world says in this debate is also not up to you. You can try to diminish what others say by attacking them personally, but anyone who knows anything about debate knows how flawed that argument is. Carry on with it, though, and pretend we don’t get what’s going on because we must all be ‘delusional fangirls who think AL’s going to bed us at the next tour stop’. Here’s a quarter, go buy a clue.
Mithril
Cam: Mithril, don’t lie when the proof is just a few posts back, this is a cut and paste of your words…..
“Get a clue – you AREN’T supporting him! Why in the world would he care about your pitiful warnings to gain nothing, and throw away something huge – his already existing fanbase.”
You said that he would throw away something huge…his already existing fanbase. Don’t get pissed because you got called on it. If that isn’t what you meant to say, then fine, but admit the mistake.
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I was referring to your implied threat that if AL didn’t pony up ‘your’ fan support would be withheld, and my point is that of his large fanbase, ‘your’ support is fairly small. It’s simply a statement of mathematics.
Reading Comprehension – study up on it.
Tadpolicus Wex
Maybe we’ll have to develop a gay bag test, you know, if your shopping bags aren’t plastered with a Macy’s star you’re not sufficiently gay enough and if you know what the Saks bag actually looks like…too gay!
Mithril
staciegirlie: Oh, lord, I hope Mithril isn’t trying to talk for all of us. What is too gay? Do they mean more effeminate or something?
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I sure hope you’re expressing two unrelated thoughts in the first two statements. I don’t care if you don’t agree with what I said – you have a right to your opinion just as I have a right to mine. But if you’re implying that I said anything about Adam being too gay, then you really misread my post because I didn’t say anything of the kind. In fact the idea that such a concept was in Hicklin’s open letter was something that bothered me as much as anything else he said there. No one should have to define themselves by some strict hierarchy of sexuality. Such deliniation is an unfactual representation, and should never be demanded of one person by another. Hicklin of all people should be aware of that if he seeks equality and not segregation.
Cam
No. 103 · Mithril said….
1. but I have an MBA in marketing
2. Since I’m well-educated and not in general clueless,
3. It’s simply a statement of mathematics.-Reading Comprehension – study up on it.
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Oh Sweetie, your desperation to seem intelligent just drips off the page. You are like the drunk girl at the bar who goes up to strange men, asks them if her breasts feel real and then in a whiny voice says “I’m pretty right!?!?”
Seriouslly, You keep trying to pretend that you are being attacked, but the fact is, Queerty posts were dealing with something that Adam said. Something that those of us who are gay have seen before many many times, and something we recognize. Your riding on here on your white horse (Or Cotton Pony depending on the day of the month) to attack us for not being happy with what he says combined with your constant attempts to appear intelligent really just seem to be the desperate crying out of somebody lonely, bitter who has tied up some of their self-esteem into this person that is unattainable. If you had any self-esteem your words would make your point for you, since you don’t you constantly have to try to tell us all about how smart you are or what degree you have. Guess what, do you know why laugh tracks are annoying? Because we know what is funny when we watch a program, we don’t need a track to let us know when to laugh. You are the same way, if you say something intelligent we will see it, saying something bitchy and then following it up with (I’m Smart) doesn’t mean you said anything intelligent, it just means that you are now bitchy AND insecure.
That is fine, it’s your life, but again, don’t try to come in here, attack and then cry victim.
chelesley
Hey Adam you I usually can suffer fools, but not ones from hollywood.
Anyway, your team? your image? limiting yourself? Hey you’re almost 30 and havent even dropped an album yet. Arent you supposed to be comfortable with yourself that you dont need things screened from “handlers” first? I mean, c’mon..that so isnt rock and roll or whatever you try to make yourself out to be…..Oh and OUT did eat shit…they ate your words and printed them.
Mithril
Cam: Wow, another playbook right from the Clay Aiken fan files.
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Call me a Claymate all you want – insulting me doesn’t change my argument. For the record, I’m not and never have been a CA fan. The fact is I think he’s kind of icky – and it has nothing to do with his being gay. I’ve never actually been a fan of anyone on AI, and have never voted for anyone on the show – including Adam. I’m a big fan of his now, though, which is why I’m aware of this discussion and why I’m giving my opinion on it.
But I’m an even bigger fan of justice and equality, and I think Hicklin – and you – are doing it a great disservice in this recent brouhaha.
Tadpolicus Wex
Cam, you’ve got to agree with Mithril on one thing, Clay is indeed icky-in fact he’s repellent.
Cam
Mithril, Ohhhh, how nice, you had no response to what I said so you went and started another argument all by yourself. My My My, what a clever girl you must be. I know that because you keep telling me so.
Cam
No. 109 · Tadpolicus Wex said…
Cam, you’ve got to agree with Mithril on one thing, Clay is indeed icky-in fact he’s repellent.
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I Agree 100%! (Shudder)
The Swimmer
Some of you uppity queens need to chill the fuck out. Adam Lambert is groundbreaking in the music industry. He may very well become the next Michael Jackson or Elvis for all we know. This new album is going to be the talk of music for months after it comes out in three days. The music industry is heavily invested in him for good reasons.
Instead of being proud of his successes some of you vilify him as if he is hurting us!! Adam Lambert is an artist first and a gay person last. He does not let his sexuality define him. He doesn’t forget about the important civil rights battle at hand but he also understands there is more to life than fighting political battles. Let the motherfucker live a bit!!!
When I see the hostility of people like Out’s editors, the usual Queerty posters, and hypocrites in our community I don’t blame Adam for wanting to sit on the sidelines! But he’s not. By going out there and being a terrific artist. By being able to go out and talk about his sexuality. By holding hands and kissing guys in public he’s already doing a major service to gay marriage rights.
Mithril
Cam:
No. 103 · Mithril said….
1. but I have an MBA in marketing
2. Since I’m well-educated and not in general clueless,
3. It’s simply a statement of mathematics.-Reading Comprehension – study up on it.
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Oh Sweetie, your desperation to seem intelligent just drips off the page.
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Sorry if Glenn Beck has you convinced that all college graduates are elitist liberals, cam. I think the line for Jerry Springer is several blocks back – have fun with it.
vainveil
straight women who like adam hate their husbands and want their gay bff to die because, really, thats who they’re in love with but cant have.
If adam was more “gay” of course his female fan base would deny him, actually they wouldnt be there now…he did a smart thing..cultivating the chicks…they swoon they’re loyal and they buy..and advertisers love them…but if he were GAY since day one they’d be squawking about some other douche.
stacieigrlie
No, Mithril, I don’t disagree with everything you say. Maybe just the way it was said. I have no hard feelings towards you or anyone here. I just want the fighting amongest each other to stop. I think that’s why I got to going in the first place. You’re an ally such as myself. I’m just a little disheartened because within 105 posts, this makes 106, all this energy could have been used to bind together to make a difference not tear each other apart. That’s why I’m so upset with Hicklin in the first place.
vainveil
@mithril
You have an MBA in marketing yet you act like some tweeny fan girl over Adam?
John from England(used to be just John but there are other John's)
DUMB = YOU
“straight women who like adam hate their husbands and want their gay bff to die because, really, thats who they’re in love with but cant have.
If adam was more “gay” of course his female fan base would deny him, actually they wouldnt be there now…he did a smart thing..cultivating the chicks…they swoon they’re loyal and they buy..and advertisers love them…but if he were GAY since day one they’d be squawking about some other douche.”
What more can he be?? Wooooh. Insane shit you just spouted.
Mithril
vainveil: If adam was more “gay” of course his female fan base would deny him,
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Now who’s being delusional? I think we (hetero female fans) pretty much know Adam is as gay as they come. And we like him anyway!
Gee, watch out, much more of that and you won’t have anything at all to complain about and then what would you do with your life?
vainveil
@mithril
You have no taste in music
To all Adam admirers…He’s SCHLOCKY..WTF his music is rote, redundant, unoriginal. Does he even play an instrument..can he even use a beat machine? American Idol for god sakes. This country is weird and stupid.
vainveil
@ john
more gay..as in more himself as in I dont even give a shit. Leave me alone.
Tadpolicus Wex
Swimmer honeychild, Lady Gaga is the next Elvis & Michael. Is Adam really a dark brunette, only his hairdresser knows for sure. Adams shitty record (and I have listened to every track) fails to meet an artistic standard worthy of the word QUEER! The only stand out tracks, hmmmm, one written for the 2012 OST and the other by …GAGA!!!
romeo
See, you’re not listening again, Mithril. And you won’t see any crying here. As for Adam, he’s the one drawing the lines. He’s quite right; he doesn’t have the expertise to discuss political issues, and I’m glad he doesn’t. But what he has been doing is something you don’t want to address. And that’s what we’ve been discussing on these Adam threads. Gay people aren’t trying to put him in a box; that’s all going on in YOUR minds. We’re just reacting to the box he’s trying to put us into, and hide it behind the couch. That “no filter” stuff of his is beginning to look like “I can say and do any shitty, homophobic, hypocritical thing I want to suck up to straights because I’ve got fangirl goonsquads to police the internet, and RCA and 19E’s pull to keep the media in line.” That’s what it’s beginning to look like.
And, Mithril, if you’re not in here to insult us, why would you bother to come in here at all? Plenty of us have been supportive of Adam in these threads, but that never gets noticed by the women. We’re all bad. Just like Adam says we’re all bad. You can buy a clue on your own damned quarter.
vainveil
@mithril
I like fighting. When its worth it. Blood lust. I’m a man.
John from England(used to be just John but there are other John's)
@ Cam
What’s your beef?
‘Blue sky thinking’?
I’m confused by this argument Queety has created and why you fell into it..
It’s COMPLEXED.
Attmay
@72 Hardmannyc:
No offense intended, but Broadway is a bigger deal to you than TV? You’re in the minority. It may have been prior to the 1950s, but today, Broadway is ignored by most of America. Straight plays are declining, and no song from a stage musical become widely recognized by anyone other than die-hard theater fans since “Memory” from “Cats”, and that was a West End show; the last widely recognized song from a show that actually originated on the American stage is “Tomorrow” from “Annie”. Even original film musicals have produced no widely recognized songs since “The Lion King”. Additionally, there’s no longer any Ed Sullivan Show to showcase the casts, very few movies based on shows, and very few cover versions of current showtunes (by artists who aren’t holdovers of another generation) to reinforce their popularity. The last show I saw was “Hairspray,” and everyone was miked yet I couldn’t figure out any of the lyrics to the songs until the movie came out! And as much as I enjoyed them both, neither the play or the film were as good as John Waters’ original 1988 film. They failed to realize that you can’t do camp on purpose. Camp is what happens when you try to be serious and end up a comedy smash. That’s not something you can fake. I’m sick of faux/forced camp. I even stopped going to local productions of Gilbert and Sullivan operettas when the director tried to make them self-consciously campy. Also, when Broadway tries to modernize its image, they fall flat on their face (Rock of Ages? Are you kidding me? Broadway and 80s rock go together like Weight Watchers and Crisco). And don’t get me started on the ticket prices.
And this is from someone who loves musicals as much as anyone (and this isn’t a gay thing; my parents introduced me to a lot of them, and all the first movies I can remember watching on TV are technically musicals). They also took me to local theater as well.
Neil Patrick Harris may be third billed on the top-rated “How I Met Your Mother”, but it’s clear he is the thing keeping that show on the air. Plus, he already has “Doogie Howser, MD” under his belt in case you forgot. I’m not a fan of his current TV show (or his old one), but from what I saw of it he’s the only one there who isn’t totally generic. And as Cam pointed out, David Hyde Pierce only came out after “Frasier” was cancelled, and the shows he did on stage are unlikely to stand the test of time (I’m a fan of Monty Python but I don’t feel deprived for having missed “Spamalot”). If that’s a bigger deal to you, that’s one thing, but to the rest of America, seeing openly gay people on a medium they are actually interested in may have more of an impact than one whose cultural relevance is fading with each passing day. I’m not happy to see theater in decline, but facts are facts.
As for Adam Lambert, I despise the majority of all post-1980s pop culture, especially the music, and have a blanket dislike for anything and everything to come out of the American False Idol dreck factory. I’d rather watch “Gong Show” reruns; the basic principle is the same. I actively boycott anything that comes out of that here-today-gone-tomorrow melisma factory. But he’s dead right on this. An allegedly gay magazine that showcases breeders more than gays deserves to be brushed off; imagine if Ebony Magazine had a black person on the cover once a year. I would have told Out to go fuck themselves as well. But if he doesn’t want to be pigeonholed as being just “that gay singer,” maybe he shouldn’t make himself look like the love child of Liza Minnelli and a Japanese anime character. But he’s still less annoying than Richard Simmons.
hephaestion
Lambert is greatly talented. But his refusal to simply say “Yes, of course I’m gay” while on “American Idol” was cowardly and stupid. And his refusal to simply state that he’d like equal rights in America is stupid and cowardly, too.
But the boy has pipes.
tellaflee
A lot of people have pipes. Im starting to wonder whether thats enough to be talented. Is he a unique singer? No. will it get you through the laundry tasks and have the decency to not linger in your head? Yes.
Mithril
Romeo: And, Mithril, if you’re not in here to insult us, why would you bother to come in here at all?
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Are you saying the only reason for anyone to a) be reading this site and b) give an opinion on what is said, is to insult ‘you’?
Because that’s pretty narrow thinking. My reason for being here and giving my thoughts is pretty much encapsulated in the last sentence of my post to cam at spot 108:
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But I’m an even bigger fan of justice and equality, and I think Hicklin – and you – are doing it a great disservice in this recent brouhaha.
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Insulting stupid people like Cam is just a side-benefit.
Duh
Adam and Elvis in the same breath? You must be MAD. Absolutely bonkers. This guy is a flash in the pan, and his stuff still isn’t selling.
spindoc
Mithril, Cam has been sitting here mocking your insecurity and your desperation to try to prove you are smart in every post and then you say
“Insulting stupid people like Cam is just a side-benefit.”
LOL! Way to prove his point, not too bright are you?
AlwaysGay
Most gay people are mindless and carry heterosexual prejudices around that they learned from heterosexuals growing up. With that in mind it is no wonder no gay person has become a major singer, most gay people will tear that gay person down because they learned to do it from heterosexuals.
Adam is very talented and his music rocks. Now I will go back to listening his new single “Whataya Want From Me”.
romeo
Note to Eds: You seem to get more hits if you have the word “shit” in your headline. Wish I knew that when I was editing my high school newspaper.
Mithril
spindoc:
Mithril, Cam has been sitting here mocking your insecurity and your desperation to try to prove you are smart in every post and then you say
“Insulting stupid people like Cam is just a side-benefit.”
LOL! Way to prove his point, not too bright are you?
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1) Cam thinks I’m insecure and desperate to appear smart. I am smart, that’s simply a fact. That cam would like to characterize that degree of confidence as the opposite – insecure and desperate – is completely understandable. It serves his purpose to try and make me appear both, so more power to him (he needs all the help he can get since he only has emotion and not logic on his side).
2) And yes, I enjoy using my intelligence to insult foolish people. What can I say – I’m a little eccentric that way.
Carry on.
dontblamemeivotedforhillary
Out has sucked since Sarah Pettite left. It’s just soft porn for twinks and the chicken-hawks who slobber over them. There is no decent National U.S Magazine…
AxelDC
I’m not sure why I am supposed to support gay guys who do everything to pretend like they are gay.
I suppose the feeling is mutual: Adam is ashamed of being gay, and I’m ashamed that Adam is gay.
Roger That
Damn…if anything were going to make me ashamed to be gay, it would be the comments of the gays on sites like this.
Fan girls, not all gay men are as bitter and hate-filled as some of those arguing back and forth with you. I’m sure you know this, but don’t want you to get the wrong idea based on the projecting that these guys are doing.
Mithril
ROGER THAT: Fan girls, not all gay men are as bitter and hate-filled as some of those arguing back and forth with you.
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Those of us with homosexual family members and friends know this is the absolute truth. It’s always the exceptions to the rule that people get fixated on, unfortunately.
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AxelDC: I suppose the feeling is mutual: Adam is ashamed of being gay, and I’m ashamed that Adam is gay.
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Anyone who has watched Adam’s very public progress over the last months is very aware that he’s not in the least ashamed to be gay. That’s one of the things that makes him such a neat guy. I think I’d be a fan of his talent alone (he really has an amazing voice) but when you add to that what a genuinely good man he seems to be, it’s easy to be a fan.
This is why I say he’s a great role model for furthering tolerance for gays in the hetero community. It’s sad that such a thing is needed, but I think we all know it is. I look forward to the day when it’s not (hopefully I’ll still be around to see it), but I think it’s people like Adam who have an excellent chance to change the mind of the hardest of hearts. I can be sarcastic with the best of them, but it’s the good-hearted people like Adam that really have the best chance to effect change in others. It’s easy to ignore vitriol, but hard to ignore good will. More power to AL for being able to keep that positive outlook with the firestorm circling him.
Gene
“I’m not sure why I am supposed to support gay guys who do everything to pretend like they are gay. I’m ashamed that Adam is gay.”
Some people ask constantly why singers and actors stay closeted, and i think over-reaction to Adam like this is quite the explanation. He is so far from the closet right now, yet some people still need convincing that he is good enough to be gay or gay enough to be good. If you believe that Adam Lambert is not a super model of homosexuality that you expect him to be, please feel free to go into the real world and become that beacon of gayness for all of gays. Then come back and tell me if everyone (queer or straight) agreed with every single thing you did or every move you made.
stacieigrlie
Since people have begun using sterotypes, I have a gay male friend who’s a lot gayer than Adam, whatever that’s supposed to mean. And I DON’T want to see ANY of my friends die. What the heck kind of statement is that?
But can you blame many of us straight women for hating our straight husbands? Look what brute, neanderthals they are. While civilization is supposed to be making a leap forward, these missing links are falling backwards on the paleontologic timeline.
People please stop saying Adam’s ashamed of being gay. He’s not. Please see David Bowie Medley–Philly on youtube. Do you see any shame in his game? If Adam was ashamed, he wouldn’t have come out the club holding his bf’s boyfriend, allowed his bf to kiss him in front of the paps, the list goes on.
AxelDC
You people are just creepy!
stacieigrlie
@Romeo–LOL. I’m sure if you used the word “shit” in your highschool paper, that would have gone over your principal’s head like a lead balloon.
Ugh
I find it hysterically funny and sad how easily people condemn this Lambert guy for all kinds of things. He gets crap from the conservative part of his fanbase for being too “out there” or too “flamboyant”. He gets crap from the gay community (for clarification: I do not mean the entire gay community here because I know plenty of gay men and even more gay women who love this guy, I’ve just seen this pattern emerge far more often on gay oriented blogs and websites than any other sort) for not being political enough. I’ve also seen him get crap for being a “stereotype” and a “queen”.
I’m just trying to imagine the kind of pressure this guy is under. He’s been famous for a summer or so, is on the verge of releasing his first album ever, and he’s being continuously pressured to do more. Hicklin himself told Lambert that we were all “counting on him not to mess this up”. That’s a lot of weight to put on a young mans shoulders. Especially when he’s just trying to find his footing as an entertainer first and foremost.
Bottom line? Lambert is one of the most visible gay celebrities out there right now. He came in second on American Idol, the most watched television show in middle America. He’s spoken openly in several publications and on television about being gay, being out, being in love, being in the gay community, etc etc. He’s done so much just by being out there, being himself, and being unapologetic about everything. How about we give him some credit for that? He’s new, he’s young, and he’s under a lot of pressure. He’s not going to do everything right the first time, and he’s not always going to have opinions that you will agree with. But he’s OUT THERE, and he’s open, and that is something admirable in my eyes, at least.
NoDoubleStandards
I am conflicted. On the one hand, he’s right that gays should be allowed to be themselves. On other hand, he’s being something of a prick with the “Agenda” comment like he and his handlers don’t have one with trying to control his image by saying that. The truth is it is one of those classic lines, “Gay people should be themselves,” that would have a lot more value coming from someone truly unique in terms of their public image. I think he will have a big career. But, let’s be real- original? Please. He’s just a knock off right now. May be one day he will get to original, but at the moment- that line was straight of a PR firms playbook of threading the needle just right so that folks (the idiots along this thread) would come to his defense although frankly he does not give a shit about you other than whether you buy his albums or not. I do not fault him that. In fact, I respect that. What I do not respect is a player trying to play a community so in need of real representation rather than guys out to make a dime. As for Out Magazine- what’s that?
Paul C
What is it with humanity today where it seems we all want to eat our young. Being in the harsh eye of fame must seem pretty treacherous to many aspiring performers and artists. One misstep or one divergent move from an assigned path and the cannibals descend. This talented young man is just trying to make his way. That’s a major challenge right there, but can he do that without constant reprimand and critique. Nope!!! He not only has to pursue his career which is at best a slippery slope, but he has to try and live up to everyone’s expectation about everything else besides his music. I say back off! Let him have the time he needs to be who he wants to be. By making demands and publicly criticizing him you can only push him further away. But hey I guess immediate goals were met. OUT is in the news. Hicklin should thank Adam for the coat tail ride.
Eccaba
I am really conflicted about Adam. I’ve been a big fan of his music and voice from the very start. I’ve also been super excited to see what could be the first out from the get-go artist to hit the main stream.
One positive that I haven’t heard mentioned yet his song “Fever” by Gaga kept the male pronouns. I had heard her demo and wondered if it would be gender neutralized. For me that’s kinda big win (sadly).
One thing about Adam is that he has a very provocative personae (something I enjoy). Others who are like that: Madonna, Lady Gaga, Elvis, etc. include a very specific subject/sex when they perform. Adam, with the exception of “Fever” plays it neutral or all to often uses women as a sexist stand-in. That I don’t expect him to be doing a provocative video with another man upsets me the most. The Details pictures just made me cringe, although I do get the sense that he was ambushed. http://www.hulu.com/watch/103887/access-hollywood-adam-lambert-reacts-to-his-sexy-details-magazine-photos
I hear he’s going to perform at the AMAs dragging around a woman in chains. sob
At the end of the day though, I think (hope) this is still a win. He’ll make room for another mainstream act with better politics and I suspect 19 really does have a tight rope and that he’s trying
Ethan
OK, I truly want to understand your points here and so I am listing why people are saying they are angry at Adam. This is a list of most of the complaints from above:
from your standpoint
1. Adam was being condescending to OUT
2. Adam is being condescending to the rest of the gay world
3. You feel that he thinks you are not good enough for him
4. You feel that he has left behind his gay friends to play with new straight friends
5. You feel that this happens a lot
6. It makes you angry that not only did he not want to appear too gay but he also
definitely wanted to appear heterosexual in the Details shoot and even said it was hetero (this has caused great anger)
7. he’s basically saying he doesn’t want to be a “gay” celebrity,
8. he’s basically saying he does not want to talk about gay issues
9. he doesn’t even see that something is wrong with asking to not be on the Out cover alone.
10. Many gays have worked to give Adam the freedom he has today and he is taking all that work for granted. “decades of sacrifice and defiance against unimaginable odds. All done so Adam could come out and be himself and not get arrested”
11. Re Adam’s publicist, it is the scared to by out gay publicists in Hollywood that are as much to blame as the straight ones. Recently a gay director was lambasted for telling young clebs NOT to come out of the closet.
12. Adam’s classifying Out as having an “agenda” is insulting because you feel that agenda, forwarding Gay freedom and rights, is the reason why Adam is where he is today (So, the Gay community is what enabled Adam to be so free)…which Adam has not responded to and not given credit to in any way.
13. At some point people and the media are going to figure out that Adam is “playing” the straight female community and they are going to turn on him. Then he is going to need the gay community support and they won’t be there if he does not respect them
14. He is not forthright about his gayness. He is still playing coy. (this word has been used multiple times)
15. Adam is the one that has chosen to make the gay community out to be the enemy, too demanding.
16. He makes generalizations about gay men in his Out interview
17. He has no comprehension about our (the gay communities) contribution to art and culture generally. literature, science, economics, architecture…there would be no civilization without us, even with all the repression we’ve had to endure and Adam is completely clueless about that.
18. Adam is playing to the straight female population and not to his gay fans
19. He is treating being gay as an unwelcome houseguest
20. In playing Coy and acking the community
21. He is actually trying to put the gay community in a box and hide it behind the couch
22. He is sucking up to straights
23. He feels safe treating the gay population badly because he has a huge female fan base & his management RCA and 19E to keep media in line
24. He’s a coward because he refused to say Yes, of course I’m gay while on American Idol
25. He’s a coward because he refused to simply state that he’d like equal rights in America
26. Adam is actually ashamed of being gay
27. He probably won’t do a video with another man
28. He’s going to be dragging a woman around in chains at the AMAs (instead of a guy)
NoDoubleStandards
The over the top response here is why I find many of you to be idiots. Between multiple wars, a recession, etc this is your big and powerful issue? Wow! I am posting here because I am bored while working. What’s your excuse.
Ethan
Petty arguments do nothing.
From the Angry at Adam Lambert Reader
POINTS TO PONDER (No really, ponder it. I’m not joking):
1. Do you think it is fair for a musician to adjust the way he performs and presents himself in the media in order to make more money? Is that lacking integrity?
2. Do you think it is fair for a musician to adjust the way he performs and presents himself in the media in order to have a larger fanbase? Is that lacking integrity?
3. Do you think it is fair for a gay male musician to have a straight female fanbase in addition to a gay fanbase?
4. Does the fact that Adam has a large straight female fanbase make you feel rejected somehow?
5. Do you think it is fair for a rockstar to create hetero fantasy scenarios for the entertainment of the straight female fanbase/ to create a sexual energy connection with them? (which is basically what a rockstar does) when he is gay.
6. Do you believe one can create a public persona that is slightly more hetero and not have that effect your true self and sexual orientation. Do you believe that is not being true to yourself?
7.. Do you believe his sexual dance moves are playing only to the female fanbase?
8. Do you believe that playing to the straight female fanbase is going to change him?
9. Do you believe that if you are a famous rockstar and you are gay the good and right thing to do is to take a political stand on gay rights and that it is seriously wrong not to do so.
10. Do you think it is wrong if you are a rockstar and you are gay to not want to be the cover boy on the biggest gay magazine in the country because it might scare away some of the straight female fanbase.
11. What if said rockstar doesn’t want to be on the cover because he doesn’t want to build expectations in the gay community that he will be THE role model/poster boy for the gay community and youth. Is that wrong? Lacking integrity?
12. a. Do you believe it is wrong for a gay publicist to work to make sure a gay celebrity doesn’t come across as “too gay”/flamboyant? Is that insulting to you?
b. Is it possible that “too gay”/flamboyant turns off gay fans as well as straight and therefor, in general, it might be a wise business move not to seem over the top flamboyant? (I personally love, love, love flamboyance)
13. If you had a celeb that acted the perfect way in the media and his life what would that perfect way be?
14. What does Adam Lambert say that makes you feel that he is putting the gay community in a box and hiding it behind the couch.
15. Do you think it is unethical to make it sound like you would like to be with a straight woman when you know you are definitely homosexual because it will give you a larger fanbase? Do you think that is fair to the women?
16. Do you think Adam is being honest when he says that?
17. Do you think it is fair for Adam to say he is honest to a fault when he is creating a “fantasy” for his female fans that he might like to try sleeping with a woman at some point. Do you think that is unfair? wrong? lacking integrity?
18. Do you think that Adam is actually ashamed of being gay and just pretending he is not? What makes you think that actually Adam is ashamed of being gay?
19. Do you think that Adam is being seduced to sell his integrity/truth of his sexual orientation for money and fame and that this is being facilitated from all sides, RCA, 19E, female fans, desire for money, desire for fame.
20. Do you believe that in the end his ultra sexual performance style is going to come back to bite him.
21. Do you believe that his fan base would be as big as it is if he was not such an overtly sexual performer?
22. Do you wish you could be in Adam Lambert’s shoes?
23. Are you in any way jealous of Adam Lambert?
24. Do you feel Adam Lambert is being condescending to the gay community and what makes you feel that way?
24. If you had any piece of good advice/wisdom to give to Adam as he goes forward what would that be?
Recession watcher
Time for a new editor, but it will be impossible to find one with ethics with Regent at the helm. I used to like Aaron a great deal, but he undeniably had something to do with great people losing their jobs for no reason in this recession. People aren’t that stupid. Coming jobless from the gay media, gays have double the job of finding a fit. I’m not ok with gays, or anyone, suffering the indignities of double-digit unemployment. Why does Regent think it’s ok to do so? Where were the solutions to help its workers?
What comes around should go around.
David Ehrenstein
“I’m curious what your beef is with that?”
Yeah, you would be.
“The Avocado” (for which I toiled mightily when it dealt with gay rights head-on) is pushin’ up the daisies. “Out” is circling the drain.
Your hissy-fit over Adam is Just So Sarah Palin.
Eccaba
Ehtan said “5. Do you think it is fair for a rockstar to create hetero fantasy scenarios for the entertainment of the straight female fanbase/ to create a sexual energy connection with them? (which is basically what a rockstar does) when he is gay.”
Eeew, just ew. Adam DOES trade in suggestive material, but the way you put it, the whole “sexual energy connection” is just outright creepy. And why can’t we expect straight women to be attracted to a gay man without making him cater to their “hetero fantasies”? Heterosexual men make a huge display of their attraction to lesbians. As someone who is a heterosexual woman I actually find it highly offensive that I would need someone to market my “fantasies” to me so that I would buy the product. I find authenticity and comfort in your own skin much more attractive than anything else.
But really, you have it wrong. All this dragging women around with chains and posing with a nude female model are NOT about catering to heterosexual women. It’s really about assuaging heterosexual male homophobia. A half naked woman with a clothed man is a common accessory for many men in the media. It’s about establishing and validating the dudes masculinity and dominance to other men. It says, “see! Adam’s just like you. He can use women too!” And if you read the Details interview half of it is about how much women want him.
Anyway, having said that I AM sympathetic to Adam. I think it’s a difficult balance he’s being forced to strike and sometimes he’s going to fail. That doesn’t mean that when he does fail it’s beyond critique. It’s not always about being jealous or tearing him down. Seeing how homophobia effects his decisions/career is important and us a lot, not just about him but society at large.
Eccaba
ugh that should have read: Seeing how homophobia effects his decisions/career is important and just about him but society at large.
Eccaba
God I can’t even correct my mistakes properly. *sigh* I give up.
Mike in Brooklyn
Well, I have read each and every comment. Clearly, the fist post is the best. Oh, wait, I wrote that.
romeo
David, anything we’ve said here is just a hissy-fit, without any merit at all?
Incidentally, for Adam’s first major television performance since Idol at the AMA’s tomorrow night, he has chosen to drag a half-naked chick around in chains while he sings “For Your Entertainment.” LMAO
anyway
RIP: The Advocate
OUT can’t be too far behind.
staciegirlie
Everyone keeps mentioning the chick in chains. He also has several male dancers dancing around his feet.
alexspade
I always knew, that Adam is hated most of all by gays. And he need to be very careful not with straight people, but with people who are representatives of the community which part he is. So many comments I’ve read confirm this postulate. Gays are insatiable, if someone from community becomes a celebrity, they demand this person during the same moment took an rainbow flag and swung it. Also this people blame him because he drag woman on the stage instead of man and called him coward because he didn’t say he’s gay during competition. So go and receive all those things that Adam made for himself only thanks to his gift and after that show us how the TRUE BRAVE gay should conduct itself. You’ve called him a shit very quickly. You, the same people who was in ecstasy over his coming out some month ago.
romeo
Alexspade: Lady, how fucking dare you come in here and say something like that about us. Most of us supported Adam.
HE HATES US, BITCH.
Cinci Chris
Oh please, the old, “Gay is just a part of who I am,” argument. Yeah, that might work if you didn’t coat yourself with foundation and eyeliner. I’m sure when you’re making the big bucks with a record deal, it must be pretty easy to tune out your fellow brothers and sisters that actually have the balls to stand up for themselves. Adam’s a pussy, plain and simple.
MainstreamJournalist
Sad that there can not be an intelligent discussion here.
As a mainstream journalist with quite a bit of experience, including magazines, OUT is just the latest example of why gay media seem to get it wrong so much, and have failed at connecting with audiences: rather than a relevant, hard-hitting magazine, it’s a glossy publication that caters to a specific niche, mostly young, white, gay males with disposable incomes who like to visit Fire Island and move between both coasts. Nothing wrong with that, of course… Except… that most gays in America do not fill that category. They are hard-working people of all ethinic and socioeconomic backgrounds that are suffering like the rest of the country double-digit unemployment, having a loved one at war, dealing with discrimination, trying to adopt.
The so-called gay mafia that runs Hollywood and the media and make sure the closet is tightly shut; the celebrities that play coy about their sexuality, from Anderson Cooper to Ricky Martin; the gays who criticize others with dissenting points of view and only care about their image and money, those are not our GAY AMERICAN HEROES.
Editor Hicklin is just part of the New York media intelligentsia that pats itself on the back thinking how fabulous they are, attending soirees in Manhattan and mingling with the same celebrities they put on the covers. So no, there’s no objectivity, no unbiased scrutiny, just lots of fluff, pretty boys, ads and lifestyle tips. All of which, plus tons of porn of course, you can get on the Internet.
What Hicklin did – airing publicly dirty laundry with an artist who is already out – is a no no in journalism. He wanted to turn into a story something that had already lost its punch, the fact that Lambert had already come out and in other publications. Which of course, at this point, renders OUT magazine irrelevant.
The debate and vitriol here are unfortunate. I wish this had taken place when OUT put Bruno on its cover, and many in the gay media and audiences enjoyed this travesty of a performance, which did nothing but perpetuate nasty stereotypes. The good thing is, in the end, most people fled the theaters and the movie bombed. Now THAT was a story. But of course, it’s easier to turn on your own, like Hicklin did.
I don’t care for Adam Lambert, or for Clay Aiken. They will succeed, or fail, on the strength or their music. I don’t go rushing like a mad man to the stores just because an artist who is gay put out a CD. The music has to be good. That’s the main concern. But when the subject is media, as in the disservice that OUT and other gay publications do to our community, that’s another story. One that, it seems, straight media will have to cover all on its own.
romeo
@ MainstreamJournalist: Initially I would have agreed with much of what you said, and I still agree vehemently with what you said about the complexity and diversity of who gay people are. But now I think Aaron Hinklin should be cut a little slack. He’s pretty accurate in his assessment of Adam’s behavior, and I think his advice to Adam is reasonable.
I don’t think everything that is said here is all that unintelligent. And a lot of the issues and concerns that are discussed here never see the light of day in the “mainstream media.” We are completely defined there, and dismissed, by straight people, or nervous closet cases. Wonder why that is?
And Adam Lambert is “out”?
staciegirlie
@Romeo, Calm down, sweetie. I don’t believe Adam hates you or the rest of his own. But then again, you know these feelings of rejection you feel right now? What do you think Adam must be feeling when he read what his own community said about him? If Adam hates gay people, it’s probably not because they’re gay. It’s probably because people are extremely mean to him. I read some very hurtful words directed at Adam. He has never said anything as vile and hateful. So who hates who?
BTW–How’s your cat doing?
LR
Reminds me of Neil Patrick Harris in OUT-
“My job is jester, not advocate…I’m striving to be an example of normalcy”
Ethan
ROMEO: “HE HATES US, BITCH.”
You are so very wrong and you are spreading vitriol. Sending that message out is just wrong.
This is not a debate. Aaron did the wrong thing. The magazine used Adam’s picture and article for sales and attached a link to a public insult. Aaron needs to own his mistake, apologize and take some time off to take an ethics in journalism class. It was a dirty move, poor sportsmanship, and unwise. That is not a threat or an attack it is the simple truth.
David Ehrenstein
NPH in “Out” is a perfect example of what the mag does all the time — closing the barn door after the horse has won the Kentucky Derby
romeo
@ Ethan #164: Forget about Aaron. He’s not the point. Did you read the actual interview that Adam gave to OUT. Doesn’t look like he thinks too much about gay people, or knows too much about them either.
He’s got important straight friends now. He’s got an album dropping.
Virtually everybody took him at his word when he said he didn’t want to be an advocate. What he’s doing is obvious and pathetic.
Karen
The hate. The expectations/demands. After reading all comments above, my heart is aching. Filled with complete sadness, teary eyed, and a broken heart. Depeche Mode, “people are people, so why should it be, that you and I should get along so awfully…” “help me understand, why does a man hate another man.”
We’re all human beings, individuals. If we didn’t place expectations on one another, and just allowed each other to be, I bet we’d get more accomplished.
The really sad thing is: this should not be considered an unrealistic utopian ideal! There is not one reason that life could not be like this, with one exception. People!
Ethan
Romeo you are wrong. Adam is very, very open and loving with and toward his gay friends. He says extremely positive things about them and he promotes them on twitter. He is an advocate, a very successful advocate just not by conventional political means. His close gay friends know this. Rest assured, Adam’s performance tomorrow is going to be extremely gay (underground, S&M, dance clubbish) which is a wonderful thing. Adam is very selective about what he says but watch what he is doing more carefully. He is very smart. He is brilliantly luring (in a positive way) many straight people into, more than just a greater acceptance, a full on love for gay culture. So far Adam is seemingly not jaded, cynical, or filled with bitterness toward users and haters. Though lately he is becoming more wary. I’m not sure that Adam realizes yet that the straight female population love his overtly gay sexual performance. I think he is also tapping into a very strong protective mother instinct in his female fans in addition to the whole “sex god” thing. From what I can see it extends out to the whole gay community unless they feel he’s being bashed. I highly doubt that Adam has to come across as any way hetero-ish to maintain or increase his straight female fan base. I think he and his management will come to realize this. But, give him time!! Have a little patience and tolerance and remember to hold him with an open hand. His childhood dreams are coming true. Try to be honestly happy for him. He is simply not a malicious or hating person.
Alexa
Why does every thread everywhere about Adam Lambert turn into an attack on Clay Aiken? Can someone explain that to me? He has nothing to do with this, except for having the same publicist for much of the time before he came out, with presumably the same or similar contraints on him.
And why, exactly, is Clay “icky”? Shouldn’t we be supporting people who come out, as it will encourage others to do the same? If we bitch and moan that people took too long, how will that help others in a similar situation?
Debi
GOD, get off the bitch fest already. It’s absolutely ridiculous that Adam Lambert should be pressured into speaking about anything he doesn’t feel comfortable with. He is an entertainer and is doing more for the gay community than anyone I know of. I agree with Adam that we have to stop segregating ourselves, it’s black and white all over again. No straight person I know reads OUT magazine, so they’re just masturbating with points that need to get through to the mainstream. Adam has gotten through to the mainstream, straight people respond to him and don’t care that he’s gay. Being pictured with straight people is good for all to show UNITY. Can we all enter the 21st century, please?! Can’t we all just get along?!?
staciegirlie
I was about to start reading it, but…oh, well.
And Aaron, you can change your name to Judas now. While you had every right to voice your concern, it’s the way you went about it that was sooo wrong. You’re the adult. Well, the older adult.
NoDoubleStandards
The socket puppets here are cool.
NoDoubleStandards
By the way- I point I am here due to boredom. I hope the rest of you are paid for all this defense of a guy who does not even care you exist.
alicia banks
this is cowardly, delusional, and self-loathing bs by adam
ie
will NOT “jumping on the cover” of a gay mag make him any less gay?
only in his own deluded de-gayed for pay mind
shame!
Scott Monteith
stars are brightest just before they burnout
another free songs posted while you download
and magazines on paper are the new dinosaur
…nothing is permanent except death and war
wtf was he thinking? its OUT magazine, not EAT ME OUT, not OUT OF THIS WORLD, its OUT… like real gay people read this shit, even some closet cases. So yeah, put on your eyeliner and pancake, do your nails and throw on some lip gloss and tell me how freaking butch your ass is. Its like the quarterback in high school that wants to jerk off with you… too freaking weird, know yourself.
Mike in Brooklyn
ENOUGH ENOUGH ENOUGH. FOR FUCK”S SAKE, ENOUGH ALREADY!
Is the singular opinion of any commenter here important? Like Lambert/hate Lambert, get him/don’t get him, music and act good/bad, agree/disagree; no one is changing anyone’s opinions here.
I am 50; when I was in junior/senior high, there was absolutely NO ONE for gay teens to even see let alone know anything about their sexuality.
I am no fan of Lamberts; his looks, act, music, just don’t jive with my quirks, likes or desires. But my quirks, likes and desires tell me that there must be many upon many, struggling with their sexuality, GLBT teens who do get Lambert, glam and all. And what a wonderful thought that those kids get to enjoy knowing smiles and moments of peace every time they watch Lambert.
MainstreamJournalist
Romeo, is you have to ask whether Adam Lambert is out or not, I don’t think there is any point then in us carrying a civilized discussion. You started your point well enough, but quickly descended into the same mediocrity that pervades most discussion rooms. Let me know when you are ready to debate facts.
romeo
@ Ethan #169: Well, we’ll just have to see how much Adam loves us, won’t we? Wish that chick he’s going to be dragging around by a chain tomorrow night was a trannie though.
romeo
C’mon, Mainstream, can’t you handle a little snarkiness? LOL
wtdp
I’m going to jump in here even though as a straight female I feel a little unwelcome by now. Twice in interviews I have seen Adam raise his forefinger, look at the camera and say “Everybody has the right to love” – I sure felt like I knew what he meant. He has changed my heart, just by that gentle statement. I don’t believe for a second that he doesn’t plan to be “more political” or whatever you want to call it in the future. He’s doing it right now, just one person at a time, in his own way. On the AI tour both Danny Gokey and Michael Sarver (who both had “issues” with Adam at the beginning) came away saying they learned so much from knowing him, that getting to know him had “changed their views on things”. He’s leading a gay rights campaign just by walking around being himself. I would give anything if my uncle, who died last summer, who suffered so much his whole life as a gay man, could see this kid and we could talk about him – I know he would love him and love what he represents, a world where the things that happened to him might not happen anymore. Just my two cents, you can tell me I’m ignorant now.
Darrien
I like Adam Lambert, I think he’s talented and I hope he has a long and successful career.
But I also think Aaron Hicklin did the right thing. It was crass, but it wasn’t wrong.
At a time when gay rights and equality are a major part of American gay life and people all over the USA are voting on what rights a gay person can have, it’s incomprehensible that any openly gay person can say he doesn’t want to comment on the gay experience because he’s not an ‘expert’.
Adam Lambert sucks dick. That’s as much of an expert he needs to be before he comments on gay/equality rights.
Hicklin is being accused of being a hypocrite because he put Lambert on the front cover and ran an interview with him and then criticised his management for shutting down any appearance of being ‘too gay’.
Lambert is equally as much of a hypocrite by agreeing to be photographed and interviewed for a gay magazine as an openly gay man, but then refusing to talk about some of the most important gay issues around.
What Hicklin did was show up the phenomenon of being ‘a little bit gay’. Like being a little bit pregnant, you’re either gay or you’re not – and you don’t get to pick and choose the bits of being gay you like. It’s a total package. If Hicklin hadn’t challenged ‘I’m gay – but not gay like that’ concept, he’d have been the editor of a gay magazine that gives a free pass to anyone who says celebrity trumps gayness.
The fan girls who’ve posted here have largely been intelligent and passionate in putting forward their point of view – but they’re putting forward an idea about a celebrity who happens to be gay. The gay men who’ve been irked are looking at a gay man who happens to be a celebrity – and object to him putting celebrity ahead of his gayness.
Ultimately, this whole argument is about priorities. What’s more important – sexuality or celebrity? Until such a time comes in which sexuality equality exists, there’s really no excuse for a gay man refusing to discuss the politics of sexual orientation.
romeo
WTDP: You’re not at all ignorant. And your feelings for Adam seem sincere and rational and perfectly legitimate. And, you’re reasonably on point, which is not the case with most of the “straight females” that come in here just to raise hell.
However, the contention with Adam is not about whether he’s going to get “political.” He made his feelings known about that early on and it was quite accepted. That’s being thrown around now to deflect some very legitimate criticism about Adam’s condescending treatment of an OUT Magazine journalist and to gay people in general. A lot is being made all of a sudden about how much Adam loves his own. You wouldn’t know it when you read what he says about us. Adam knows what it’s like being treated second-class, he’s talked about it. Why would he think it’s acceptable to treat other gay people that way? He can shrug it off, but he’s admitted to the essential facts Aaron Hicklin brought up. Not to mention what he said in the interview itself.
And trust me, your uncle’s suffering is very much to our point here, and our major concern. The fact that we want to change all that is at the essence of our dismay at Adam’s condescension and reticence.
I wish I had your faith that Adam and his handlers have some kind of “master plan.” But, frankly, it just looks like grabbing at any old tired closety straw to bolster sales. And in the long run that won’t do him or us any good.
staciegirlie
@Romeo–Adam became condescending after Hicklin wrote his open letter addressed to him. The interviewer was politely asked to steer away from political. Adam is not yet a fully successful artist. He doesn’t have enough power to speak politcally for your community. What you and your community are asking of him is the same as asking a first-year intern to perform heart surgery. If he were to try, any mistake could possibly end his career. Then what would he and the people who depend on him have? Absolutely nothing. Is that what you want? Adam could be a powerful key player if everyone would just leave him alone, support him and allow him to grow. But no one’s not going to do that. They’re just going to wander around the desert for another 40 years. (Err, I hate having to use analogies that come from religion.)
Name me some visible gay stars who’ve been able to change the hating hearts of at least 2 homophobic males like Adam has.
romeo
Stacie: read my post — I don’t need Adam to talk politics. In fact, I’m glad he doesn’t. LOL And his treatment of OUT was condescending from the get-go. He insisted that they’re be “straights” on the cover with him, he didn’t want the interview to get too “gay-gay” (whatever that means),he wanted the intereviewer to know her place, he didn’t want any mention of anything gay from the sound of it. And certainly his assessment of gay men in the interview itself was very condescending and negative. All before Hicklin posted that editorial.
And, incidentally, if all gay men are “promiscuous and unfaithful” and sleaze that he’s better than (paraphrasing his words), then who are all these gay guys all over the country that want to get married officially and settle down.
Watcha eatin’ Stacie?
romeo
In truth, I’m looking forward to watching him on the AMA’s tomorrow night. I think “chain girl” is the one that he posed with during rehearsal and then tweeted his adoration of her abs. From the sound of it, it’s going to be a bigger laugh than the Details pictures. LOL
staciegirlie
@Romeo. Not yogurt.
staciegirlie
@Romeo. Did he really say that? Now you’re making want to read that article. You know Adam can’t really try being hetero either. You should get a load of what he said about some girl he’d been with before. Yeah, that was a little rough, and offensive. But I’ve learned by now to just accept that he doesn’t have a filter.
romeo
Currently doing some Kashi whole grain cookies with dark chocolate chips. So-so, but really high fiber.
If Adam wants to make a run for being all “post-gay” to avoid getting himself labeled, then that’s what he’s going to do. But that’s a thing usually younger guys go through, and then they find out the truth. Yeah, straights will let you hang with them sometimes, but after a while you realize that you better know your place. That’s why most of us get back to more realistically dealing with gay issues. Almost all of us have to hang with straights, no avoiding that. Both of us are still doin’ the same stuff. LOL But it’s the guys that deal realistically with gay issues that actually get things changed, so delusional “post-gays” can be all high and mighty and contemptuous of mere “gays”, and oh yes, still do the things that got you arrested before mere “gays” took care of business.
Stacie, nothing we say on these threads in any way effects Adam’s sales. No one knows about what is said here except the people that participate, a few reasonably literate gay guys. We might as well be on the planet Zeron for all the general public knows about this. But still the fangirls bookmark this joint and come heaving in here bleeding out of their eyes like Saint Theresa if we dare to utter any doubts about their “Dark Lord.” (Somebody told me about that — FUCKING AMAZING ! LOL) Everybody needs to relax. Adam is going to be the biggest thing since panty liners, or he’s going to be a fucking train wreck. It’s his option to pull defeat out of the jaws of victory.
The cat is over her historectomy and getting fat and waaay bossy.
bodega vendetta
i swear to gawd i’ve never even heard her sing,but it
sounds like outwhatever is run by a bunch of old farts,
hey, outwhatever,you should just like leave her alone, let the
bitch make some coins, daaaaannnnnnnnnnnnnnggggg.
Sean Chapin
I’ve had mixed thoughts about this matter.
I think both Out and Lambert are at fault. Out should have respected Lambert’s choices, and Out should have had more tact than to call Lambert out in a public forum such as an editorial in its magazine. Lambert should also have displayed more tact in its twitter response than to stoop down to a bitchy level, and though Lambert is free to do what he wishes in life, if Lambert were smart, he would have made a gesture to pay homage to those before him that worked hard to allow people like Lambert, me and every other LGBT American to live as we do today, or he risks coming across as a bit unappreciative towards his elders and burning bridges.
Overall, this left me a bad taste in my mouth. From a larger perspective, this makes me wonder how much our LGBT youth is taking our current quality of LGBT life in America for granted and not recognizing the blood, sweat and tears (literally) of their previous generations who fought very hard for the LGBT community to be what it is. Also, this makes me wonder how much we really care to be part of a real community and to be there for each other.
I felt the desire to express myself amidst this matter by making a music video to Adam Lambert’s gorgeous song “Broken Open” from his new album using video footage of LGBT-positive events throughout this past year, and I made this music video as a gesture of putting aside our differences and bringing all of us together as a community.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ywvzJy19w8
If we don’t learn how to get along better, we will go nowhere fast.
staciegirlie
@Romeo: About your cat. That’s what they do after the operation. Both my cats are boy cats, brothers. One is straight and one is gay. No lie. My cats are really what made me understand that gay isn’t a choice. My sister’s and mother’s cats are both girls who’ve also had an operation. The girl cats are so mean. I got the S*** scratched out of me by my sister’s cat.
Ethan
Sean
Your beautiful video has been posted on Adam’s fan site Adamofficial.com
staciegirlie
P.S. You saw that we call him our “Dark Lord?” LOL. I’m glad we’re speaking behind computer screens or I’d have to hide, cause I know you think we’re really silly now.
I don’t know how Adam can pull off pretending he’s straight. I’ll bet my money he couldn’t. I wouldn’t want him to try. He’s the definition of camp and he’d just about go nuts if he couldn’t anymore. No pun intended.
Anyway, I think the only straight person he’ll end up in a relationship with is Kris Allen. Did you see US Weekly video clip? Kris was swooning all over Adam even though he had his wife there.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sSdm0Ax1pYM&feature=related
There’s another one for this same event but I can’t find it.
Ethan
StacieGirlie I hate to be the one to point this out but and perhaps you already know this but, in that video, Kris is not swooning. He is stirring up trouble. He’s pointing out the cock ring on Adam’s bondage glove as something that might make him “sexy”.
Charlie
Mon, we don’t need another gay singer. These singers are held in as much contempt by most men as gays are: just flimsy little fame-junkies with no inner strength and a lust for adoration from faceless multitudes of people they don’t know. Their power, their fame, is precisely what makes them look weakest and least admirable. And they are alone; alone and unloved on their sparkly pedestal, surrounded by sychophants and svengalis and idiot teenage girls. A team player who was gay would be worth a million pop starlets; a guy that can knuckle down and work with other guys, someone strong and self-effacing that has earned the respect of his fellow men for something other than standing onstage and screaming ‘LOOK AT ME!!’ through his awful, mediocre music.
tinhater
staciegirlie take the stupid tinhatting back to AO or ONTD_AI this is not a chat board for fantarding assholeness
staciegirlie
Oh, Charlie, I do believe you’re wrong about that. It takes all types…except the bitchy, jealous kind. Oops, where’s my strikethrough key?
@Ethan, have you seen EVERY video starring Kradam? I don’t mean to keep bring up the psych degree, but anyone can read the body language. Watch it again. Kris answered, Adam’s hair, after giving him a once over with THAT look. Then here’s a few others for you.
Kris’s most forward behavior:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S6CY1Xf7UDk&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2d48Wn1QcqI&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vdrl66RI0bc&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EiWcLgR5HAc&feature=PlayList&p=B425B1F1471F889A&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=64
Significance of last vid? More body language. It’s telling a story. I’m not a “Kradam” advocate. Just someone with 2 eyes. Though, Kris would be better than Drake.
staciegirlie
@Tinhater: If you want to see an asshole, I have 2 suggestions. Either look in the mirror or piss this scorpio off and see what happens.
Uhaditcoming
Bitches, can we change the subject here and move on?
romeo
Jeez, looks like I left last night just when it was getting good. LOL
romeo
@ Sean #191: AWESOME vid. Gave me a lump in my throat.
And I agree with you; they both messed up.
SoyLocoMoco
Did Aaron Hicklin really feel that Adam is not gay enough, just because he didn’t want to talk about gay politics? I think in many cases we would be better off if celebrities would stop talking about politics that they don’t really understand. Kudos to Adam for having the sense to know that is not his forte or his interest. As an out unapologetic gay man, he is doing enough for the gay community as far as I am concerned. I don’t need him to be political.
Tadpolicus Wex
No. 192 · staciegirlie
@Romeo: About your cat. That’s what they do after the operation. Both my cats are boy cats, brothers. One is straight and one is gay. No lie. My cats are really what made me understand that gay isn’t a choice. My sister’s and mother’s cats are both girls who’ve also had an operation. The girl cats are so mean. I got the S*** scratched out of me by my sister’s cat.
———————
It’s obvious that your sister’s cat hates Adam & tried to scratch some sense into you.
romeo
@Soy #203: I agree with you, too. I’m glad that Adam doesn’t talk politics. LOL But I think Aaron was making more of a point than that, which everyone is conveniently ignoring.
@ Tadpolicus: LOL Now we’re throwing cats at each other. WHERE WILL IT EVER END!!!
LMAO
staciegirlie
@Tadpolicus Wex: Nice try. That cat is evil at everyone. she was a stray rescued the day hurricane Gustav came. She lost her eye that day. None of the vets were open, so she’s done alot of suffering in her young life. Ironically, every time I play Adam’s songs, ALL the cats gather around my computer. So we’re all going to watch the AMA’s tonight, together. LOL.
Tadpolicus Wex
staciegirlie:
the cats are gathered around in the vein hope that the catnip koolaid will be distributed
you see in cat cults, they don’t practice white nights, for them it’s “Lambert Nights”
I guess you’re their Jim Jones
ps my five feline companions will watch with their daddy cats
staciegirlie
@Tadpolicus Wex: LOL.
romeo
@ Stacie: Are you one of the regulars at Adam Official? Looks like you may be out of a home. I just went over to lurk to see the reaction that Sean’s vid got, but the site is gone with a note that a new one is under construction.
Interesting. Wonder what’s up with that?
Sean Chapin
@Romeo: Adam’s facebook account announced earlier that his website would be undergoing a renovation. It looks like the new website is up. Unsure as to if the video I made is still on there in some capacity, though I am curious how it got onto the previous website.
McShane
Adam Lambert is the “biggest new gay celebrity in the World”? what a profound misfortune, if that’s even close to true.
alexspade
To romeo
Thank you for your “BITCH”. Your accomplishment is wonderful. You may be really role model for people instead this hateful but always polite Lambert.
First: I’m NOT a lady.
Second: I’m NOT a crazy Lambert fan.
Third: I AM 100% homosexual.
Fourth: I AM reporter of gay magazine. Luckily, its name is not OUT.
To MainstreamJournalist
Yes, you’re absolutely right. I wish all this stuff had taken place when OUT put Bruno on its cover, too.
romeo
@ Alexspade: Just re-read your original post. You’re a reporter for a magazine? You write for a living? As I said, I just re-read your post.
Technical deficiencies aside, in your post rather than review the previous posts AT ALL, you simply launched an attack, off point and highly insulting. Not the best rhetorical strategy. It did indeed look much like the female Adam supporters who come in here frequently to bash gay guys. Make of that as you will.
And, actually I believe there was a lot of comment when “Bruno” was on the OUT cover.
But why are you bothering with this? Aaron Hicklin was slapped down and humiliated in the mainstream media. What he was trying to point out was successfully deflected and twisted. Adam came out the martyr. All of his supporters should be happy. No?
romeo
@ Juoking81: When are you going to offer us some guy on guy action? LMAO
Adam had Oral
Adam had oral with a guy on the AMA’s YAY!!! he also made out with a guy…that should make up for all the Vag cooties from Details!
staciegirlie
Where’s my money? We made a bet. I bet that Adam was not trying to go back in the closet.
SouLKid
OMG! i love me some Lambert but that AMAs performance was awful. That was just gross.
SouLKid
It just got me thinking the music video is gonna be some kinda softcore porn.
bite me
Dear Aaron,
Just for fun I thought I’d troll all of America and ABC tonight. You do your thing and I’ll do mine.
And no, I won’t be appearing on any more Out covers with your hetero heros you’re sucking up to all the time.
http://i45.tinypic.com/2ighmko.jpg
http://nl.tinypic.com/view.php?pic=2lxb7lu&s=6
Sincerely,
Adam
Joey
Come on people, be gentle. You’re using up Adam Lambert’s 15 minutes too quickly! You don’t want him to fade into obscurity do you?!!!
bite me
p.s. “SHOCK IS FUN” AND YEAH I’MA BE POLITICAL WHEN I WANT TO
http://www.accesshollywood.com/american-music-awards-2009-adam-lambert-shock-is-fun_video_1178554
romeo
Okay, Stacie, how much do I owe you? LOL
Couldn’t have been gayer. Could these be lover’s quarrels I’m having with Adam? Hmmmmm. LOL
@ Bite Me: Thanks for posting the Access Hollywood interview. That’s one of the best of his that I’ve ever seen. Seems very much himself. really glad to see him do his “thang” tonight. Sound and camera work were lousy, but he shone through. He’s major!
MORE MORE MORE
romeo
FYI all, Queerty’s thread titles are designed so people will go cross-eyed and hit it. And the fact that Adam always gets hundreds of hits should tell Adam something. Queerty already knows. LOL
Adam, you drive people nuts, but they just can’t get you out of their minds. LMAO !
staciegirlie
@Romeo–I know, what’s up with the lousy sound production, camera blocking and slippery floor? They even managaged to make Janet and Whitney sound less than they could be.
staciegirlie
*managed*
Mike
First, Hardmannyc is a Regent Media/Out employee. Please ignore his corporate ass kissing here. Second, Aaron Hicklin is a douchebag. And he’s ugly as sin — the photo here of him was photoshopped to within an inch of its life.
alicia banks
i am so confused?
adam feared tame gay mag covers
but nearly put on a live gay porn show on at the ama???
wtf?????
WTF?
To Aaron:
Your sales are crap. You really think there’s not a problem? With that model, I’m going to start a magazine for dog lovers and feature lots of cats (that get along well with dogs). Wow! Won’t the dog lovers just line up in droves to pick up a copy of that? We need maverick leaders and not obsequious capitulators.
staciegirlie
@Alicia Banks–Have you ever stopped to think Adam may have had other issues with OUT magazine, not what is publicly speculated? Obviously from the above posts, Aaron doesn’t get along that well with others.
Ethan
Gay Adam doubters and those who shredded him online owe him an apology.
Pariah
I wish LT. Dan Choi could sing…just sayin’.
Brooke
OK FOR ALL YOU FUCKED UP IDIOTS ON HERE WHO THINKS ADAM LAMBERT HAS NO CHANCE OF A SINGING CAREER LET ME REMIND YOU OF THE CIRTICS THAT ARE ALREADY CALLING HIM THE MALE MADONA AND THE NEXT MICHAEL JACKSON!!! OH AND DID I FORGET TO MENTION THE FACT THAT HIS DEBUT ALBUM SOLD 200,000 COPIES JUST IN THE FIRST WEEK AS APPOSED TO KRIS ALLEN’S WHOSE ONLY SOLD 80,000 IN THE FIRST WEEK COME ON SERIOUSLY PEOPLE LOOK AT THE BIGGER PICTURE AND REALIZE THAT ADAM IS DOING NOTHING BUT BEING THE MOST SMOKING HOT GOD DAMN GOOD SINGER BEST ENTERTAINER TO EVER SET FOOT IN HOLLYWOOD SINCE MICHAEL JACKSON AND PEOPLE THAT ARE BASHING HIM FOR THAT ARE JUST JELOUSE FUCKED UP FOOLS WITH NO LIFE NO PRINCIPLES AND NO MORALS AND THATS JUST FUCKING PATHETIC
I WILL FOREVER BE ON ADAM’S SIDE AND SUPPORT HIM AND HONOR HIM AND RESPECT HIM AND HIS MUSIC FOR AS LONG AS I LIVE
SO FUCK OFF PEOPLE AND GET A FUCKING LIFE