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Are Gay Guys More Masculine Than Straight Guys?

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One trait commonly associated with masculinity is the behavior of seeking other male attention for approval. Think team sports, which as described in the below video, is “all about dude-on-dude approval.”

But gay guys often strive to achieve a similar end, also regularly seeking validation from other men. The tactics may differ, however.

Does that make gay men, by definition, hyper-masculine?

Related: DC Gay Party Group Is Totally Inclusive, As Long As You’re White, Young And Masc

In the latest release from ASAPThought, this question is broken down to reveal that the answer isn’t so black-and-white.

Perhaps a more fitting question is: Why does society place a value system on gendered traits, historically rewarding the masculine and downgrading the feminine?

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67 Comments

  • Daniel-Reader

    Does he even realize that he is shaming people for setting their own standard of what is sexy by himself declaring what is and is not sexy? Pretty hypocritical. He says at one point that putting “no fems” is not sexy for others to do, which means he himself is setting a standard for others who are merely declaring their own standard for themselves. How about he has his own standard and everyone else has theirs and not try imposing his standard on others when they declare their own. Hence the concept of “to each, their own” – just like hetero people would not accept being told to be gay when they are not and gay people do not accept being told to be straight when they are not.

  • Poncho Sanchez

    Some gay men fall in to hyper-masculine category….. but a very real percentage falls into effeminate category, and then there is the average guy, who just happens to be gay….
    probably the majority fall into this category.

  • Paco

    Gay men tend to go to such extremes that they end up looking and acting like a caricature of masculinity. Straight guys just are.

  • Qwrangler

    Gay men know the male body better than anyone because we not only live in ours but adore other men’s bodies and that alone makes us more masculine.

  • sanfranca1

    @Qwrangler: More perceptive perhaps, but not necessarily more masculine.

  • surreal33

    Not a chance in HELL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Wooly

    I don’t know about more masculine, but certainly less pussy whipped. In the final analysis, there has to be a little ying and a little yang for a relationship to work.

  • Captain Obvious

    Who cares? If you do then you’re probably not really masculine in the first place. Masculine men don’t need to advertise, you can tell by looking.

  • IDoNotHaveToAgreeWithYou

    Are gay writers dumber than any other kind of writer?

  • bottom250

    Ohhhh sweethearts, not this effeminate queen.

  • martinbakman

    On the whole, gay men are about that same as straight men’s masculinity. But when they spend too much time spewing unkind words about others, that does not seem too masculine.

    Bye Felicia. ;-)

  • Brian

    The word “gay” is essentially a feminized version of male homosexuality. By calling yourself “gay”, you are effectively feminizing yourself. You are also segregating and shrinking yourself in order to make yourself less offensive to women who view mainstream male homosexuality with disdain.

  • AtticusBennett

    fun fact – the gay men who boast of their own self-styled “masculinity” are the most insecure.

    its’ like those reddit trolls who denigrate gay males they’ve been conditioned to perceive as “femme”, who never, ever, have the orbs to show themselves in any meaningful way.

    or cowards like “Brian” who make their big boastful claims – from, again, a place of complete anonymity. if y’all are so “masculine” why are yo hiding? simple: because you’re not.

    there are legions of insecure broken boys who will never become confident and secure men because they continue to view masculinity through the prism of the anti-gay straight males in their lives.

    stop. doing it.

    newsflash – if you’re not Out, you’re not masculine. unless you wanna try to explain how being a closeted grown adult in the western world in 2016 is somehow a “masculine” thing.

    that sparkly twinkly gay kid on the street? he’s more masculine than any gay man who hopes to “pass for straight”

    you can be obviously, visibly, identifiably gay and still be “masculine”
    you cannot be closeted and masculine.
    it’s that simple:

    http://littlekiwilovesbauhaus.blogspot.ca/2013/09/mask-for-masc.html

  • misterhollywood

    I think this is an interesting question. Much of what we think about masculinity is subjective to be sure. What I have noticed over the years is that straight men seem to follow trends that gay men set. What is considered masculine today in the “straight” world, like beards and tats, has been a trend gay men set more than a few years ago.

  • AtticusBennett

    “Brian” – can you show us what you look like? after all, you’re such a confident secure masculine man!

    oh wait…..you can’t show yourself. because you’re not a confident secure masculine man. you’re a closeted woman-hating troll.

    #duh

  • dbmcvey

    Men who worry so much about being masculine are kind of pathetic.

  • jheryn

    Why do we care who is masculine and who is not? It is in the eye of the beholder in any case.

    @AtticusBennett: I agree with you that those that denigrate gay men that they perceive as femme have serious problems. That isn’t a personal taste issue it is mostly an outright attack stemming from their own insecurities.

    What I don’t agree with is that someone has to show their face on the internet for any reason. It is a common theme with you to accuse people of being cowards and many other things just because they don’t show their faces. That is probably true in some cases, but certainly isn’t for many others.

    I am a very private person and I don’t like my face and name being out there. Not because I am closeted, insecure, self-hating, cowardly, an internet troll, or any of the many other things you accuse people of being who do not show their names and faces.

    You show your name and face but are constantly belittling and badgering those people that do not. That is ABSOLUTELY trolling. It is also far from brave. Showing your face and attacking others for not doing so is still cowardly because you are doing it from behind your keyboard over the internet. Not brave. Definitely trolling.

  • davidjohng

    I agree with the comment that str8 men generally just ARE masculine, it’s innate. What gay men have to do is get comfortable with being “two spirited” which most are and see the advantage of that. This society (and most around the world) is “femi-phobic” especially the feminine in the male. There’s are whole a lot of shaming going on of men in regard to their feminine nature. It’s still acceptable to do this, str8 or gay. It’s probably stems, like most things, from something related to species survival. But we are evolving out of that consciousness now. I also agree with someone who said or eluded to the idea that the most open OUT effeminine male could be in fact the most masculine because of his inner strength to be himself openly. Gay men need to learn to be themselves and learn to love themselves completely and not mimic str8 men, they’re not our role models.

  • AtticusBennett

    @jheryn: i can explain.

    i don’t expect everyone to show themselves. not at all.

    what i apologize for miscommunicating, and i did indeed mess up, is using the wrong words in the wrong ways to make it seem as if my beliefs is that everyone who doesn’t “show themselves’ is a cowardly closeted loser.

    so let me be clear about exactly what i was, and have been, trying to impart:

    there is a reason that the statements of someone like, well let’s use “Brian” as the example, say what they say, and from a place of anonymity: and you stated it perfectly in your first paragraph: “those that denigrate gay men that they perceive as femme have serious problems. That isn’t a personal taste issue it is mostly an outright attack stemming from their own insecurities.”

    that has been my point, and i apologize for my misuse of language that muddied it.

    it’s not that those who don’t show themselves are all cowardly self-hating internet trolling cowards. but those who spout misogyny, racism, transphobic bigotry, anti-“fem” sentiments, and tout their own self-styled masculinity from a place of anonymity ARE.

    there’s a reason why the kind of commenters who belittle “fems” always do so from that place of anonymity: they’re not what they want their readers to believe.

    that said, please accept my apologies for my lack of clarity in this message.

  • joeyty

    @davidjohng: “I agree with the comment that str8 men generally just ARE masculine, it’s innate. What gay men have to do is get comfortable with being “two spirited”” What ?? What about straight men who are transvestites ? Aren’t they (in some theories..) “two spirited”?

  • Chris

    I have met gay guys across the spectrum; and also, I’ve met straight guys across the spectrum. So to base an answer to this question on personal experience strikes me as sort of bogus. ….. But then, the question itself seems rather bogus as well.

  • joeyty

    @misterhollywood: “What is considered masculine today in the “straight” world, like beards and tats, has been a trend gay men set more than a few years ago.” Though gay men might have initially adopted that from straight men to begin with (albeit straight men of the past).

  • avesraggiana

    @joeyty: I didn’t realise that in today’s pop culture world, it was the straight who ripped off from the gay guys by copying beards and tattoos. What I do know is that with earlier generations of men, it was gay men who popularised blue jeans, and it was gay men again, who popularised working out in gyms.

    If it hadn’t been for the AIDS crisis, and for the early survivors of AIDS doing everything possible to help themselves back to health, like adopting healthy nutrition and exercise, gyms today wouldn’t be teeming with straight, strangely shaped white frat-boys who are, I’ll repeat, ALL CHEST, NO LEGS; ALL ARMS, NO BACK. These young breeders have no awareness at all of how much they owe to an earlier generation of screaming queens, for their barrel chests, and their enormous arms.

  • avesraggiana

    Straight men DO NOT make air quotation marks.

  • joeyty

    @avesraggiana: “I didn’t realise that in today’s pop culture world, it was the straight who ripped off from the gay guys by copying beards and tattoos.” More specifically, tattoos are an example of the disrespectable and criminal (prison cons; bikers; sailors) moving into mainstream respectability, and was probably equally homosexual and heterosexual in its beginnings. (I’m only talking about western society here, not Japan or South Seas or..). As for beards….around the turn of the century (I mean 1900) the majority of straight men had beards. But probably the majority of gay men too.

  • joeyty

    @avesraggiana: I thought blue jeans were popularized by juvenile delinquents (in the 50’s ) and before that was associated with cowboys and laborers..(?) But I’m not an expert on that (though I know there are documentaries on that very subject).

  • Louis

    Perhaps a more fitting question is: Why does society place a value system on gendered traits, historically rewarding the masculine and downgrading the feminine?

    ^^^This and the guy in the video are absolutely correct and once again sadly some of the commenters are proving the valid and logical points that he made in this video.

    Masculinity is not about putting others down in order to make yourself feel more manly.

    Any real man whether gay or straight possesses empathy and compassion for others they dont try to tear others down in order to make themselves feel better about their own faults or their own flaws.

    None of us are perfect instead of judging people for the perception of not being masculine enough instead we should be supporting each other as human beings and lifting each other up we are all in this together or at least we should be.

    Crying is not a sign of masculine weakness its a sign of possessing a heart and a conscience and general empathy for others.

    Being in touch with our feminine side leads to possessing more sensitivity and compassion and warmth.

    From my experience personally the most loving men that ive met within this community are the ones who are out and proud , the ones who are completely comfortable in their own skin and talk however they want to look , wear whatever they want to wear, and who freely express themselves and are not afraid to not FIT IN to what others believe they should be in this world.

    If you play sports great if you love art and shopping equally great.

    Those who put down people or try to raise themselves up simply because they have an insecurity or obvious prejudice themselves simply need to look within themselves and ask themselves why they also have these preconceived and intolerant mindsets about someone who dont fit into their heteronormative standards.

    I love videos like this one and I look forward to exploring this more personally .

    You can be a man without tearing others down .

    Instead of trying to put one person in a completely different category and treat them as if they are less then or dont belong in your group instead people should realize that a true man a real man has compassion and understanding .

    Divisiveness and a constant inability to show empathy and understanding trying to make it an us vs them only allows the bigots to believe that even contention exists within our community that even prejudices and intolerances exist within our community.

    Lift each other up don’t tear each other down.

    That’s my opinion anyways.

  • heavylifter

    “Are Gay Guys More Masculine Than Straight Guys?”

    I wish. The reality is that the majority of gay men are not masculine.

    There seems to be a lot of insecurity shown by effeminate queens on Grindr etc that are resentful that masculine men are not particularly interested in them.

  • heavylifter

    @AtticusBennett:

    Atticus is exactly that type of toxic queen who hides her sexual insecurity behind self-righteous zealotry.

    Its amusing watching these embittered fems fulminate against The Evil Patriarchy supposedly oppressing them on Grindr by denying them their natural entitlement to hot masculine studs.

  • Black Pegasus

    This reeks of yet another attempt to shame gay men for desiring masculine men.

  • AtticusBennett

    @heavylifter: hey gurl!

    here’s what this Happy Femme somehow managed to snag and keep for 8 years

    https://www.instagram.com/p/7kzmyrh0gw/?taken-by=atticusbennett

    ok, so you’re one of those gay commenters that says he’s more masculine than pretty much every other gay man. got it!

    and you think “effeminate gay men” are “insecure”

    i’m guessing you’re so secure and confident in your masculine manly man-ness that you’re gonna readily show us all the example of Gay Man Masculinity that you’re claiming to be

    So, can we see your instagram account? :D

    i mean, you’re such a secure masculine man who isn’t a fem. i can’t see why you’d puss out and now show us… :D

  • AtticusBennett

    @Louis: well said!

    as i’ve been proven right every time i’ve said it, the guys who come in here to tout their own “masculinity” while denigrating the type of gay men they’ve been conditioned to call “fems” are never, ever, EVER able to show themselves.

    and there’s a reason for that. they’re not what they claim to be. if they were, they’d be more ubiquitous than me, showing it to the world. but they don’t. because they’re not.

  • iggy6666

    Why is the word masculine such taboo around here. You can’t even mention it without being jumped on. People assume because you refer to yourself as “masc” you have all these insecurities and superiority complex over femininine men. Yes that is the case sometimes, but when you call out every Tom, John and Harry over it, you’re just highlighting your own resentment

  • jheryn

    @AtticusBennett: I understand and it’s all good.

    One of my biggest pet peeves, however, is being lumped in with others when it doesn’t apply to me. I hate generalized statements. Gays are as diverse as any culture. Masculine, feminine, kind, mean, smart, stupid, on and on.

    We need to take people on one by one not as a group. No matter what is said in generalization, none of us will fit into every blanket statement produced.

    I am proud of my friends who run the gamut from ultra femme to hyper masculine. They are all awesome people. By the same token I know some hateful, bitchy queens and some self hating masculine gays that try to cover by dissing other gay men.

    No one way of acting is right or wrong (i.e. masc/fem). I do believe, however, that if we cannot accept each other no matter what we act like, how can we expect anyone else to do so?

  • Billy Budd

    You will hate me for this, but I believe that stereotypes exist for a reason. A large fraction of gay men are fems. There are MORE fems among the gay guys than among the straight guys. There is no way you can deny it. Please don’t try to do it.

  • joeyty

    @jheryn: “Gays are as diverse as any culture. Masculine, feminine, kind, mean, smart, stupid, on and on.” You might think that, but Queerty and the gay ghetto in most cities disagrees with you. They dictate every gay is, or better learn to be, exactly the same.

  • AtticusBennett

    @joeyty: that’s not even remotely true.

    i’ve never met a gay person that says all gay people must be exactly the same. but all secure and confident gay men will agree that we all need to ditch our internalized homophobia, stop worrying so much about what bigots think, and support each other. it’s that simple.

  • AtticusBennett

    @jheryn: indeed. and i’ve never met a “masculine gay man” that in any way denigrates perceived-“fem” guys. the only guys who do that are the insecure ones whose own self-touted “masculinity’ in nothing but a forced affectation. if you’re a confident and secure “masculine” man, you won’t put limitations and quantifiers on the “masculinity” of others.

  • dwes09

    @AtticusBennett: “fun fact – the gay men who boast of their own self-styled “masculinity” are the most insecure.”

    Once again, making things up or imagining them does not constitute “fact”. Any man who boasts too much about their masculinity is insecure, be he gay or straight. Displaying or being attracted to masculine men is simply a matter of taste.

    As for “showing oneself”, some people don’t want another account with yet another website sending them yet more spam. One can ONLY show oneself by creating a profile on Blogspot. I tried to comment by signing in via facebook (using my own name and picture), but that supposed option simply does not work at all. If you are going to criticism, at least base your criticism on reality. And given your nasty tongue and insulting nature, why in hell would anybody give you a link to their instagram or other social media page KNOWING FULL WELL ALL YOU WOULD DO IS HUMILIATE THEM AND FEEL SMUG ABOUT IT? That seems to be who you are.

    And speaking of reality, you rail against those who try to display the trappings of masculinity and yet proudly display your butch/femme pairing (both of you in lumbersexual drag), harking back to the 1950’s when that was the expectation. You display the same seething ball of contradictions you seem to enjoy pointing out in others so much. Why not suimply get over yourself and be comfortable with it all? Why not simply be a little more accepting of those who do not adhere to your dogmatic “queer theory”? You make a nice looking couple though, have to grant you that.

    “if you’re not Out, you’re not masculine. unless you wanna try to explain how being a closeted grown adult in the western world in 2016 is somehow a “masculine” thing.
    that sparkly twinkly gay kid on the street? he’s more masculine than any gay man who hopes to “pass for straight””

    Despite your intolerance for others and insulting nature, i have to agree with this totally. But your baseless assumptions and insults are still repellent and indicative of the same kind of insecurity you accuse others of having.

  • AtticusBennett

    well, its’ not a mere “matter of taste” – ever gone on Grindr in more rural areas? the more homophobic the town, the more “discreet, masc, no fems str8-acting only” you see. then they turn it into “it’s just what i like” – well, it’s just what you’ve been conditioned to like. gay men who are surrounded by anti-gay misogynists, or those who will only “tolerate” a gay man as long as he’s not Stereotypically Gay, are more likely to ape it.

    you also get guys who don’t know how to reconcile being openly, visibly, identifiably gay with being “masculine” – to them, “obviously gay” = FEM. which is just nonsense.

    too many gay men view “masculinity” through the prism of anti-gay heterosexuality. they need to unlearn that. because it’s utter nonsense.

    i’d humiliate them, eh? and….if they’re actually secure in their confident masculine manliness that would bother them…how?

    i’ve actually never ever “railed against those who display the trappings of masculinity” – as i don’t believe there ARE any. intent and motivation – it’s not what you’re doing, but why you’re doing it, and how you are about it.
    every day i wear my standard gear – combat boots, wrist cuff, studded belt, harvey milk book satchel and rainbow bracelet.

    i’ve got friends of all types and kinds and walks of life. we’re not all remotely the same. what we have in common, however, is the freedom in life to enjoy the company of others, without denigrating or distancing ourselves from them based on some meaningless and amorphous societal concepts of gender-norms or performance.

    but thanks for the compliment. i think we’re rather cute together, too ;)

  • AtticusBennett

    @dwes09: oh, and just to be clear – i don’t believe everyone has to “show themselves”. truly, i don’t. i just think its’ worth pointing out that those who denigrate perceived-“effeminacy” while boasting of their own “masculinity” never can. :)

  • dwes09

    @@Billy Budd: “You will hate me for this, but I believe that stereotypes exist for a reason. A large fraction of gay men are fems. There are MORE fems among the gay guys than among the straight guys. There is no way you can deny it. Please don’t try to do it.”

    If this is such established fact outside of your imagination, cite an acceptable source for your “undeniable facts”. You start your statement by stating a BELIEF, which immediately puts you on shaky ground intellectually. It is more likely that stereotypes exist because the fear and suspicion that spawns them is based on a small sample size and the existence of very visible differences in a few members of the marginalized group in question.
    http://aps.psychologicalscience.org/convention/program_2014/search/viewProgram.cfm?Abstract_ID=29772&AbType=1&AbAuthor=&Subject_ID=&Day_ID=71&keyword=

    Essentially stereotypes serve to reinforce pre-existing prejudice, and can either be drawn from the imagination or from atypical aspects of a population that support marginalization. And stereotypes can create the behavior they project on a population.
    http://markspsychiatry.com/are-stereotypes-a-self-fulfilling-prophecy/

    See how this works? There is no need to make things up and then insist they are true. Aren’t you a little old for that? We used to call it make-believe.

  • dwes09

    @AtticusBennett: “i’d humiliate them, eh? and….if they’re actually secure in their confident masculine manliness that would bother them…how?”:

    When discussing the admittedly anecdotal evidence of my family life in another comment section, to counter your oft stated fiction that masculine-identifying gay men or those who do not respond sexually to feminine behavior from other men are responding to a family dysfunction (posited by Freud as a “cause” of homosexuality and long discredited as such) you accused me of being a liar. The is clearly an attempt at humiliation, and one that failed, as it simply revealed absolutely who YOU are; at least in your virtual life.

    And snarky responses to others (adolescent lol’s and other affectations best left to text messages or reddit troll fests) may well fail in the attempt to humiliate, but again, reveal the nature of the poster despite the merits of their politics or opinions.

  • dwes09

    @AtticusBennett: “ever gone on Grindr”

    I prefer Mr.X, Scruff and Romeo Uncut where the insistence on young, cute, hairless, gym-addicted, and so on is not so strong and where (specifically on Romeo) trans and drag folks are welcomed, even though they are not particularly attractive to me sexually.

  • AtticusBennett

    @dwes09: well, that’s just it – you state “feminine behaviour”. how is it specifically or even inherently “feminine”? it’s not. it’s a societal and/or cultural idea that puts “gender” into it.

    as i said earlier, there are legions of gay men who deem anything “obviously, visibly, or identifiably GAY” as “feminine” – and why? its got nothing to do with femininity or women.

    you seem to be enforcing this idea, rather than transcending it.

    here’s adirect quote from a commenter on the current post about hillary clinton:

    “malepiano
    It depends on the gay man. There is and always probably will be a large contingent of effete, flamboyant, very feminized gay men that need a strong, domineering, manipulative and controlling woman like Hillary Clinton to dominate, control, mother, scold and manipulate them. These are men that are hyper liberals and have no balls and will support women no matter what. These are the gays that Hillary is counting on to support and will do so despite the fact that she will do things against their own interests. I honestly have no respect for these “guys”. There are also the more masculine, rational, strong and together gay men, of which there seems to be a lot more of these days and that have less of a need for women in their lives, that will support any political leader based on intelligence, rationality and what will benefit them the most personally in the long run. Hillary Clinton is anti-men and has made many misandristic and anti-male statements during her political career. She is a cold, selfish and obsessively ambitious woman. I have a difficult time with anyone who stays with a spouse or live-in that consistently, flagrantly and compulsively cheats on them, and Hilary has stayed with Billy only because of the very successful political and business career he has enabled her to enjoy. Hillary is not honest and has gone to great lengths to feather her own pockets. Personally I think Hilary Clinton is a first class bitch. Donnie Trump may be an arrogant ass but Hillary is certainly NO better and Donnie Trump has my vote!”

    :D

  • heavylifter

    @AtticusBennett: @AtticusBennett:

    “here’s what this Happy Femme somehow managed to snag and keep for 8 years”

    LOL, fem with old queen, now what were you saying about stereotypes…?

    https://www.instagram.com/p/7kzmyrh0gw/?taken-by=atticusbennett
    “feel free to join me and my fellow Embittered Effeminate Toxic Queens for a drink some time :D”

    Yep that Instagram pic of yours shows a waspish looking clique of pursed lipped queens. Where’s Daddy gone, too late for him to stay up, so you kept cruising on your own that night?

    Miss Bennett feverishly copy pastes her Twitbook selfies to paint a fictional “successful lifestyle”.

    Miss Bennett brags about her supposed “hopeness” and Out lifestyle. The girl needs to come clean about her drug use, legal or otherwise and her HIV status.

  • heavylifter

    @AtticusBennett:

    “every day i wear my standard gear – combat boots, wrist cuff, studded belt, harvey milk book satchel and rainbow bracelet. ”

    What a cliche.

  • dwes09

    @AtticusBennett: Do you understand the difference between anecdote and empiricism? You ask questions as if they become fact simply by the asking. You have little grounding in anything of substance other than your assumptions.

    OBVIOUSLY traits deemed feminine have some cultural base, but empirically demonstrated differences in genetics, brain function and physiological gender based dimorphism, as well as across the board similarities in cultural attributions of femininity indicate something more real than personal belief or “social theory” regarding masculinity and femininity.

    If one dismisses the reality of empirical examination in favor of how they feel or believe, they are on shaky ground intellectually. I don’t claim to understand the basis for my sexual attraction or my personal criteria. You do, but you have nothing but assumptions to base that supposed understanding on. So it is not understanding at all. For yourself or for anybody else.

  • AtticusBennett

    @heavylifter: yup. Miss Bennett certainly loves her life :D

    drug use? uh, she’s 420 friendly. that’s about as hardcore as she goes. HIV status? negative. Captain Condoms over here.

    now, how about you, eh? you’re a heavy lifter! awesome! let’s see!

    oh….wait…you can’t show yourself. you’re that specific cliche – the guy who tells everyone what a man he is yet doesn’t have the balls to prove it :D

    it’s ok, baby. guys like you need to vent anonymously on the internet. you have my sympathies. just remember, it’s not the fault of queens like me that your father has never been proud to call you his son ;)

  • AtticusBennett

    @dwes09: well, we live in a still-homophobic and still-misogynistic society.

    but many things deemed “effeminate” actually have no real basis in specific “femininity” – at all. things guys call “fem” are actually uniquely and classically Gay Male.

    it’s why internalized homophobia often shows itself via misogyny, and transmisogyny.

  • joeyty

    @AtticusBennett: Who are you kidding ? You accept a gay being Republican ?

  • dwes09

    @AtticusBennett: “things guys call “fem” are actually uniquely and classically Gay Male”

    As history extends well beyond the middle of the 20th century, and cultures encompass much more than north America, you are going to have to support that statement with some sort of factual account. Otherwise it is speculation/”theory”. You seem not to understand this at all which surprises me as you are clearly an intelligent person.

    Same for your statement regarding effeminacy/femmininity. Please provide examples of traits you find this to be true for. As for misogyny, it is prevalent enough that linking it to internalized homophobia seems entirely speculative to me. As for transphobia (transmisogyne makes no sense to me), it is well documented that the first assessment one makes when a stranger approaches (and this appears species wide, not culturally related) is perceived gender. When this is confounded, the usual reaction is suspicion and discomfort. Again, this appears biologically based and requires learned suppression through familiarity. “Internalized homophobia” has nothing to do with it, willingness to be open to others (or lack of it) does.

    Gone for several hours so none of that high school “…crickets…” crap!

  • heavylifter

    Seems my posts are getting deleted…

  • heavylifter

    @AtticusBennett:

    …or is it just you…

  • heavylifter

    @AtticusBennett:

    “drug use? uh, she’s 420 friendly.”

    Well that explains the paranoid irrational posts about evil masculine guys.

    It is fems who are venting about masculine men not being interested in them on Grindr – driven to making youtube videos about it, lol. Fems like her and you are just going to have to live with it.

    Again, nice try with your contrived lifestyle, but you fems are all the same.

  • heavylifter

    @AtticusBennett:

    You are mincing around in a wrestling suit lip sinking to Barbra Streisand.

    Definitely get of the drugs, girlfriend.

  • joeyty

    @heavylifter: “You’re an anonymous trolling wimp and your parents don’t love you!!!” (just saving Atticus the trouble of responding)

  • heavylifter

    My posts still getting deleted…?

  • heavylifter

    …nope, what word is triggering the block…?

  • heavylifter

    @joeyty:

    Have you checked out her Instagram link she shared? Pics of her wholesome Apple Pie mom and pop juxtaposed with Grindr naked mirror selfies of her scrawny, short butt. Hideous.

    Thanks for the laughs, Miss Bennett

  • heavylifter

    @joeyty:

    Skim through the trash heap that is her social media accounts and you quickly realize Miss Bennett is a Hypo and Narcissistic personality disorder.

  • joeyty

    @heavylifter: I’ve never looked at that person’s blogs or vids or whatever. Ugh, I could just imagine.

  • heavylifter

    @joeyty:

    Unfortunately her and the gesticulating white painted finger nails queen in the above vid are standard fare in the gay subculture. Which is why I avoid it as much as possible.

    Its entertaining watching them fume and recite Social Justice Warrior mumbo jumbo about “Gender Binaries’ or “Patriarchial Oppression(TM)”.

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