Eminem bud and frequent collaborator Trick Trick let loose a torrent of homophobic invectives to All Hip Hop today, telling the magazine that he doesn’t want gay people to buy his album:
“I’ma [sic] go on the record right now with this. Homosexuals are probably not gonna like this album, I don’t want your fagot money any goddamn way. I don’t like it [homosexuality]. Carry that shit somewhere else.”
It gets better.
“Trick Trick explained that his anger comes from what he feels is mainstream society’s growing promotion of homosexuality as an acceptable lifestyle.
“It’s just that every time that you turn on the TV, that sissy shit is on,” Trick told AllHipHop.com. “And they act like its fucking okay. The world is changing for the worst when shit like that happens. And I address that issue. I address it hard as hell.”
On the self-titled album track called “Trick Trick,” the Detroit rapper hurls vitriolic bars against gay activists Ellen DeGeneres and Rosie O’Donnell, referring to them as “dyke bitches” and promising to send a “scud missile right through their fucking cruise ship.”
The album features appearances by a whole host of hip-hop stars including Eminem, Ice Cube, Kid Rock, Proof, Esham, Dr. Dre , Guilty Simpson, and Royce Da 5’9. You can read the whole tirade here.
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walt zipprian
Somebody maybe should tell him what a trick is.
Nevada
So…. no one else sees this as a publicity stunt? ANY press is good press???
Inertia_90
Well, anything he has to say is irrelevant. He’s completely MIA on the charts. In fact, I hadn’t even heard of him until just now.
fredo777
Done + done, assjacket.
tallskin
This so common from mainly black (and occasional white) rap artists that is is almost reaching a stage where I don’t find it surprising.
Obviously it is an issue of free speech to say that he should be allowed to have his opinion. BUT, what concerns me is this, if the boot were on the other foot, if a gay artist was saying this about blacks in general then all fucking hell would break loose.
Let us substitute the word “faggot” for the word ‘black’ or “nigger” and you’ll see exactly what I mean. (and I am using the word ‘black’ or ‘nigger’ here merely to illustrate a point, so keep your hair on folks!)
“I’ma [sic] go on the record right now with this. Blacks are probably not gonna like this album, I don’t want your nigger money any goddamn way. I don’t like it [blackness]. Carry that shit somewhere else.â€
It gets better.
“Trick Trick explained that his anger comes from what he feels is mainstream society’s growing promotion of the violent black culture as an acceptable lifestyle.
“It’s just that every time that you turn on the TV, that sassy black shit is on,†Trick told AllHipHop.com. “And they act like its fucking okay. The world is changing for the worst when shit like that happens. And I address that issue. I address it hard as hell.â€
On the self-titled album track called “Trick Trick,” the Detroit rapper hurls vitriolic bars against black activists , referring to them as “nigger bitches†and promising to send a “scud missile right through their fucking cruise ship.â€
I rest my case.
fredo777
Wow.
Not only does he rep Detroit terribly, but he even brought along all those other rappers whose music I will never bother listening to again in the future.
fredo777
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InsideTheFire
I bet we can cope with not buying his records after that…
Well, I guess I won’t be going to buy the next Kid Rock record.
Paperbagwriter
Here’s the thing, Trick obviously said these inflammatory things to get press and you’ve fallen for it. This “asshat” has gotten so much free press from this and several other gay blogs and as a result, I’m sure a handful gays are gonna buy, listen to, and talk about the “outrageous” album in a way that doesn’t really help anyone but Trick.
I understand that “ignore it and it will go away” inaction accomplishes nothing, but why bother publicizing this asshat without also at least encouraging a boycott or letter writing campaign? It’d probably give him and the community more their due.
fredo777
@Paul Raposo:
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Inertia_90
@Paul Raposo:
Well, yeah. If he were educated about gay people, which he apparently is not, he would probably be less inclined to make remarks like this.
Marty
This is, of course, preaching to the choir. It is de rigueur for rappers who are trying to be bad ass to present themselves as virulently homophobic, it’s all so “gangsta”. (eye roll) The timing of this appearing is unfortunate, though, since there is such a brouhaha over the African-American element in the passing of Proposition 8. I just wish people like him, removing race and sexuality from it, would realize how dangerous hatred is on so many levels, especially since someone does not get as angry as this guy obviously is without having experienced a lot of it firsthand.
Rock
Yeah, as if I would buy some no-talent scumbag rapper’s album.
No thanks. I’m getting Christina Aguilera’s new CD instead.
mark
Whoever the f*ck this is…not buying your CD
NOT A PROBLEM
Joey G
Trick Trick is part of Universal Music Group. We need to write them and tell them that this is unacceptable. and will result in lost $ for all of their artists. the head of publicity is Dave Tomberlin ([email protected]) and he is gay!
afrolito
What was the point of this post, other than to bring out the usual racist comments?
None of the fags here have ever heard of this guy, and were not planning on buying his record anyway.
Jason
Oh, you’re tacky and I hate you!
Tin Tin
can someone please block paul raposa?
ChicagoJimmy
Again, anyone who protests this much…
Methinks Trick Trick likes to suck Dick Dick.
seitan-on-a-stick
Rap is just Corporate Clowning for da White Man nowadays. Pull your pants up for Barack Obama, you Grown-Ass losers! Hip Hop is so Yesterday!
joe
His grammar is as poor as his attitude…what a cunt
fredo777
@ChicagoJimmy:
I thought the same thing.
D.L. brotha? Likely.
Inertia_90
@seitan-on-a-stick:
This man speaks truth.
Laura Divine
This is what happens when a person is uneducated.
REBELComx
Lets see:
(Ultra-manly + Overly homophobic attitude) x Musician (if you consider cRAP to be music)+ Incredibly gay rap name = Brutha on the Down-Low
Alan down in Florida
I have taken Joey G’s advice and sent an e-mail of protest to Dave Tomberlin at the address Joey G provided. I hope many of the rest of you will do the same.
Chiot Moite
Do nothing. Answer him with Silence. Any response we give is music to the record companies ears. We say “no, no, no” and all they hear is “who wants cake?”
David
Personally I wouldn’t buy his stupid album anyway, My money will be better spent on the new Britney Spears album out next month. Can’t wait!
ChristopherM
@Paul Raposo:
Paul + Trick Trick…same idiocy, different directions.
asa1973
Why do we all come into posts like these knowing full well that our blood will boil? This guy’s obviously an asshole. No record label should be helping him spread his “message.”
Nitesurf
I’m also wondering what exactly is the purpose of posting some ignorant comments from an obscure rapper here.
tony
The president of Koch Records can be reached via email [email protected].
tallskin
Nitesurf, you ask: “I’m also wondering what exactly is the purpose of posting some ignorant comments from an obscure rapper here.”
well, Nitesurf, as far as I understand it, the whole point of Queerty is to relate news as it relates to us gays and lesbians – therefore this news item is fully justified.
fredo777
Btw, not all rap is crap.
There are, after all, some talented lyricists + producers working in the genre.
Some of them even LGBT, which you already knew but I just figured I’d reiterate.
Brandon85
“Wow! Whatta hard nigga–trashing a couple of women. He all man! I’ma bet they a whole lotta bitches want this ruffneck for they baby-daddy”!
Naw, man you got it wrong.
Whatta hard nigga-trashing a cupula ho’s. He all man! I’ma bet they a whole lotta bitches dat won dis rufneck foday baby daddy.
😉
francois
This CD just made my Christmas list.
fredo777
Uh…yeah…gotta say, not too thrilled with the whole “Ebonics” exchange going on.
Inertia_90
@fredo777: I know. I’m pretty sure all of the people doing that would not be pleased if someone were writing in a stereotypically gay manner.
fredo777
@Inertia_90: Or, more aptly, if someone were writing in a stereotypically (insert commenter’s race here) manner.
Brandon85
It’s amazing to me that the two of you having a problem with this exchange apparently think that the mocking of ebonics is somehow an a racial offense. As a black person, THAT is the more offensive thought. This idiot and the culture that encourages his thought process SHOULD to be mocked.
Anthony in Nashville
I agree with everyone who said he is doing this for attention. I’d never heard of him until this morning. After the outcry dies down, he will return to obscurity.
And what man, gay or straight, proudly calls himself a trick?
fredo777
@Brandon85: Couldn’t disagree more.
You can mock him as a person all you wish, but starting to use stereotypically “ignorant black-speak” in retaliation is not funny to me at all. If you find it humorous, that’s your business. I suppose the joke just went over my head.
ousslander
He’s anobody who will remain a nobody after some brief publicity.
I find nothing wrong with mocking the way he speaks, it is who he is. Does doing so mock the whole black community?
michael
There will always be low rent, ignorant scumbags, we will never fully rid the world of that. It is more disappointing to hear the others who worked on his album. Maybe the music director from Sacramento can get a job with him.
Saturday
Who cares? Why are we even talking about someone that no one has even heard of? He only wants attention. This guy is a nobody.
Paul Raposo
@Brandon85:
Naw, man you got it wrong.
My bad, Brandon85, thanks for the correction 8^)
Although, I was going to write dayum but I just couldn’t bring myself to do it.
Paul Raposo
@fredo777:
Bill Cosby would disagree with you, Fredo.
fredo777
@Paul Raposo: Hohoho
Alan down in Florida
Hey Alan…
I’ve never heard of “Trick Trick†before…
I’m gay too…you’re barking up the wrong tree…
Dave Tomberlin
Paul Raposo
@Brandon85:
This idiot and the culture that encourages his thought process SHOULD to be mocked.
I, for one, appreciate your opinion on this, Brandon.
I’m a high school drop out, so I learned very quickly that if I wanted to compete with people who had formal educations, I had to learn how to carry myself and speak with authority and intelligence, simply because I didn’t have a diploma to present to anyone.
I understand completely that many people struggle with English as a second language–my own parents as a personal example. But they both learned as best they could and today speak very well, not perfectly, but people understand them when they talk.
However, when a person is born and raised in a country where English is the first language and they are educated in English speaking schools, they have zero excuse for talking “stupid”.
Just look at the posts from yourself; Fredo777, afrolito and see that they are all clear, concise and easily understandable comments. I would bet cash on the fact that all of you also speak well; as evidenced by the fact that you write well. You can’t put together a coherent thought on a blog and talk dumb in public.
I use slang just like everyone else. But I have never pretended that is part of my culture that I must nurture.
Paul Raposo
@Alan down in Florida:
I’m gay too…you’re barking up the wrong tree…
What the hell does Mr. Tomberlin mean by that, Alan?
JR
His other lyrics target gay adoption, and he says, “He goes both ways, Either way he’s gay. Ain’t no other way to say, He’s a fucking faggot so I’m lettin’ off my AK. Bust ‘em in his forehead, He ain’t worth lettin’ live. A man and man shouldn’t raise another man’s kids!â€
stevo
Rap artists, and all of us, should understand the origins of the word “faggot” .
“Faggot” was yelled at gay people who were being burned alive in the middle ages.
The “faggot” was the bundle of sticks they had to carry to their own executions.
dvlaries
Obama voter or not, I wonder if this fool has a clue just how much of a Sarah Palin People he is.
Alan down in Florida
It means that either the info from Joey G was incorrect as to the CD being a product of the Universal Music Group of which Mr. Tomberlin is Publicity Director or that Trick Trick is so unimportant to his music distributor that the publicity dept. isn’t even aware of him.
Paul
According to Wikipedia, he’s part of Koch Records, distributed in the US by Epic Records (Sony).
It’s pretty simple, people. If a server at a restaurant called you a faggot, you’d boycott the restaurant until upper management fired him.
Write Koch & Epic/Sony and say, “This is disgusting and you just lost a customer.” If you want to get fancy, call it hate speech.
I’m encouraged by the Prop 8 protests, but I think gays aren’t doing enough, honestly. Yes, I know we’re all busy. But money talks. And gays have disposable income (even if we’re not spending on no-name rappers, we’re likely spending it on another album distributed by Sony).
Remind them that this isn’t a free speech issue. It’s a “Do you really want to go to bed at night knowing that you contributed to this filth?” issue.
Rick
Koch Records are distributed by Epic in the U.S. They are distributed by Universal in Europe.
Koch Records VP of Media Relations: Giovanna Melchiorre. 212-353-8800 x 257; [email protected]
Eminem produced three tracks on the CD; Dr. Dre, one. Lil Jon, Kid Rock, Ice Cube, etc., appear as performers.
Boycott all of their CDs to send an economic message to record labels that produce and distribute materials intended to incite violence against the GLBT community.
Let’s stop giving these people a free pass. The other celebrities that appear on the CD are just as bad as Trick, because they CHOSE to work with this guy and their collaborations didn’t happen in a vacuum.
fredo777
@Paul Raposo:
I was not offended because I “nurture” slang as a part of “black culture” but because I felt it was being used as a way of saying “this is how they talk”. I have no problem with slang, in general, as my own vocabulary is pretty much a hodgepodge of all kinds of lingo. Much of it is slang when I’m speaking in informal settings.
RCDC
Paul – as a side note, many linguistics scholars believe that Ebonics/Black English is not slang, but a distinct pidgin language, as it uses English words, but the grammatical structure characteristic of West African languages like Yoruba. So in schools, instead of being taught grammar as ESL, students are just told they have bad grammar. Discouraging, no?
anyway, whole separate issue. as you were.
Paul Raposo
@fredo777:
…”black culture”…
Where did I write black culture? I was referring to my own culture–that of a Portuguese background and upbringing and no one else’s. Don’t make assumptions, Fredo.
…I felt it was being used as a way of saying “this is how they talk”.
If by “they” you mean ignorant people, then yes; that is how I meant it.
Paul Raposo
@RCDC:
Ebonics/Black English is not slang, but a distinct pidgin language, as it uses English words, but the grammatical structure characteristic of West African languages like Yoruba.
As far as I understand it, Trick Trick, yourself and pretty much everyone reading this–myself excluded–were born and raised in America, not West Africa. If so, then speak American–even if with an accent. But speak American–or English, if you prefer.
Rick
From Koch Records VP of Media Relations Giovanna Melchiorre:
I will be out of the office on vacation until Tuesday, November 18th.
If this is urgent, please contact David Bosch at 212-353-8800×272 or [email protected]
Thanks!
fredo777
@Paul Raposo:
“…”black culture”…
Where did I write black culture? I was referring to my own culture–that of a Portuguese background and upbringing and no one else’s. Don’t make assumptions, Fredo.
”
Uh…where did I say that you typed “black culture”? I was responding to your statement that you use slang, but don’t defend it as part of your culture. I’m black, so I was responding with what I feel is/isn’t relevant to my own culture.
Don’t you assume, either.
SuperCat
Wow what a jerk. I don’t think his beliefs have anything to do with being black or anything.
It’s probably more about this overly-macho conditioning American society as a whole imposes on men.
Camilo
The Gay and Lesbian rappers that I manage are all going to be featured in AllHipHop.com very soon with some very very pointed comments for Mr. Trick Trick. I’ll email Japhy when it happens but the comments have been sent and we’re told they will be published soon.
Paul Raposo
@fredo777:
Uh…where did I say that you typed “black culture”?
This is what you wrote, Fredo:
I was not offended because I “nurture” slang as a part of “black culture”
You put quotes around the words nurture and black culture. I wrote:
I have never pretended that is part of my culture that I must nurture.
I wrote the words nurture and culture, which are the words you put quotes around in your response, Fredo. So, whom were you quoting?
I was responding to your statement that you use slang, but don’t defend it as part of your culture.
But I didn’t write “black culture”. You assumed that is what I meant and chastised me for something I did not write.
fredo777
@Paul Raposo:
Yeah… I also put quotes around the phrase: “this is how they talk”, which you never said either. What’s your point?
The quotation marks around “black culture” were not indicative of a direct quote from you but were the written equivalent of air quotes. You did, however, say that you “use slang just like everyone else…” but “have never pretended that is part of my culture that I must nurture.” Being that the person of interest here (Trick Trick) is black + that I am black, it only stood to reason that your reply about not nurturing slang as a part of your culture was read by myself to mean that you felt I was nurturing slang as a part of my own (black) culture. That wasn’t exactly a far leap.
If I wanted to chastise you for saying something, though, I would have done that. I do find interesting, however, what you said before about your comment being a mockery of how “ignorant” people talk.
I can’t help but wonder if you would have also used phrases like “ruffneck” + “baby-daddy” if you were mocking someone ignorant + say, Asian, White, etc…
khalil amani
Grab the Raid! Another Homophobic Cockroach!: Trick Trick.
Did somebody throw one of those exterminating tents over the house of hip-hop, ‘cause these ig-nant-ass homophobic rappers are “coming out of the closet†like somebody just sprayed Raid!
Seems like my job is never done! First, I had to go at JapCity! Then I went at 40 Glocc! And now Eminem’s boy Trick Trick! It’s about to get “colder in the D!â€
Mr. Trick (*I’m not sure if I’m using his first name or his last, but what the hey!) had some choice words for gay people, which he expressed in an Allhiphop.com interview. Many of those hip-hop heads reading didn’t even know who dude was! But this is old-head Negro writing this blog knows him quite well—the chain-snatcher of little boys—the fighting with Trick Daddy scoundrel—the AK-47 wielding ignoramus on YouTube!
Why does Allhiphop.com continue to put these fools on their site, only to find out that they are relatively unknown in mass-media hip-hop circles? (But that’s not really my beef! It’s the IGNORANCE which they spew!) Allhiphop.com featured JapCity’s homophobic video “Niggas wit Purses.†Folk didn’t know JapCity outside of Chi-Town! And many of these people posting on Allhiphop.com don’t know Trick Trick, the Detroit gangsta turnt rappa! Well, goddamnit! Post some anti-homophobe shyt by the likes of me! Put some balance in hip-hop! (You know there are straight cats that are down for the LGBT community!) Don’t worry if the people don’t know me! I’ll introduce myself to your audience! I’m Khalil (motherfucking) Amani, Ya Gay Friend’s Favorite Straight Friend! I write the ONLY STRAIGHT gay-friendly hip-hop blog on the Internet! Hoodgrownonline.com! (I dare you to find another!) I’m a homophobe killa!
So here’s what this douche-bag Trick Trick said about homosexuality:
“I’ma go on the record right now with this. Homosexuals are probably not gonna like this album… I don’t want your faggot money any goddamn way. I don’t like it [homosexuality]. Carry that shit somewhere else. It’s just that every time that you turn on the TV, that sissy shit is on …and they act like its fucking okay. The world is changing for the worst when shit like that happens. And I address that issue. I address it hard as hell….Either way he’s gay/Ain’t no other way to say/He’s a fucking faggot so I’m lettin’ off my AK/Bust ‘em in his forehead/He ain’t worth lettin’ live/A man and man shouldn’t raise another man’s kids!â€
On Trick Trick’s new album, The Villain, he goes at Ellen DeGeneres and Rosie O’Donnell, rapping about “dyke bitches†and “scud missile right through their fucking cruise ship.â€
So this hypocritical bastard is talking about killing lesbian women, as though he’s doing his god’s work! Fuckin’ ghetto-ass Al-Qaeda wannabe! He thinks women bumpin’ uglies is far worse than bombing a cruise ship full of people who love each other! And then some of these no-brainer Internet thugs/geeks are cosigning him—using the Bible as their moral compass! Listen to them! “You know da Bible says it’s against Gawd’s law!†What scripture? Shut-up, because most of y’all have never read the Bible! You’re just parroting some shyt you heard Rev. Chickenfoot preach! Homosexuality is a “sin?†Bullshyt!
(*If you study the religio/historical/political polemic [argument] on homosexuality one will see that homosexuality was banned by the Levitical priests, not because gay sex was bad, but because it was tied to foreign Goddess and Sodomite religious worship, who used sex [in any form] as the ultimate show of devotion to the Divine [God]! The Jews found the “sex factor†ever-so-enticing when they came into connect with these people. The ancient Jewish priests were “playa-hatin’†on those religions! Just like some of these preachers, today, who don’t want their followers going to another church, for fear of losing their congregation—their money! The Goddess and Sodomite cults of 3,000 years ago were far more sophisticated than the borrowed Mosaic Law—a plagiarism of the Babylonian “Code of Hammurabi.†And for those of you who like to use the “Sodom & Gomorrah†story to “prove†how your god hates faggots—the story had absolutely nothing to do with sex! Their destruction was the result of greed, profligacy and inhospitality [Ezekiel 16:16]. Now further research that ish!) (You can find a detailed historical explanation in my book Hip-Hop Homophobes… iuniverse.com for starters!)
We can’t presume to judge another people’s culture/religion! Stop using the Bible and playing “Religious Gymnastics! The Bible says a lot of shyt that we don’t adhere to! So what? You think the Bible is against homosexuality? It’s also against profaning the seventh-day Sabbath/Shabbat, but how many of you violate the TEN COMMANDMENTS in favor of the Nicene Creed of 325 A.D. by Emperor Constantine, a fake-ass Christian who changed Saturday worship to Sunday worship and gave you such profane things as the date of Christmas and Easter, after the Sol Invictus Cult and the fertility Goddess Eostre? Raise your hands! How many of y’all eat shrimp, lobster and pork? These are against “God’s Law!†I bet you love the hell out of a ham sammich! [Leviticus 11] I bet y’all be taking your girlfriend to the Red Lobster, hoping that the $19.95 sckrimp & lobster special gets you the poonanny at the end of the night! (And by the way, fornication and adultery are against the Bible too!)
Trick Trick, like 40 Glocc is just another ignorant rapper who thinks he has a “personal opinion.†He claims he doesn’t want any “gay money†whatever the hell that is! But I bet he’ll take crack money—money that was ill-gotten that has many-a mom strung out in Detroit!
But on the real—what’s the deally yo? What caused you to be such a homophobe? I asked 40 Glocc the same question. They say “those who protests most are most suspect.†Are you wrestling with your sexuality or is this a cheap publicity stunt to try to boost your album sales? Let’s face it!
Your album is only gonna go double wood (even with Eminem and Ice Cube on it!), so, in a way, I don’t blame you for reaching down into the cesspool of human ignorance and pulling out the “gay card†to start some controversy!
You can rap about gays and lesbians destroying our culture! But you are rapping about nonsense! Why don’t you rap about the real culprits/problems—racism, sexism, classism, black-on-black crime, the economy, homelessness, poverty, abortion rates, AIDS, health care, foreclosures, education, and war? Your beef with your fellow gay and lesbian citizens is a trumped-up pseudo (false) diatribe. You, Trick Trick are just another rapping bully who’s looking for some controversy to sell records! And you feel safe in your homophobia because gay people are perceived as “soft†and the only real threat to you is Gay & Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation (G.L.A.A.D.). But I’m here too! A straight black man who’s not afraid to call you out!
Hip-Hop is for all people! Hip-Hop is about those who were voiceless! Hip-Hop is about speaking your truth, regardless of race, class, religion, gender or sexual orientation! Trick Trick’s comments are the furthest thing from hip-hop! Trick Trick (not to be confused with my 305 homie Trick Daddy) is an un-hip-hop bum!
I know gay and lesbian rappers all over the country that will school Trick Trick on wax or in a battle! Ever heard of lesbian rapper FELONi—one of the realest MCs out of Detroit? Ever heard of Last Offence—gay rapper with the lyrical dexterity of ya boy Eminem? One of these days a gay or lesbian rapper will emerge on the mainstream hip-hop stage and speak to some of you homophobic rappers and you’re not gonna like what you’re hearing ‘cause they gonna bring it hard—embarrassingly hard! Mark my words!
“Hip-hop is either the hypocritical bastard child of mainstream homophobia or a freethinking, new-jack revolutionary that truly speaks to all marginalized groups.â€
–Khalil Amani, Spiritual Advisor to Gay/Out Hip-Hop.
Ya Gay Friend’s Favorite Straight Friend! (Hoodgrownonline.com)
Myspace.com/khalilamani
RainaWeather
Who the fuck is Trick Trick?
Paul Raposo
Yeah… I also put quotes around the phrase: “this is how they talk”, which you never said either. What’s your point?
Possibly you were implying that I was making that statement, based on your interpretation of what I had written. It appears you were deriving a character judgment about a particular group of people from one of my comments. A judgment which simply was not there.
The quotation marks around “black culture” were not indicative of a direct quote from you but were the written equivalent of air quotes.
Obviously it doesn’t work. Air quotes are fine because they are visual–just as most sarcasm doesn’t translate well online, because it is written and not spoken.
You did, however, say that you “use slang just like everyone else…” but “have never pretended that is part of my culture that I must nurture.”
That was in response to Brandon’s comment, (No. 41,) and his being offended–as a black man–that ridiculing dumb language is inherently racist. I think slang isn’t the privy of black Americans and as I wrote, I use slang, but I have never defended doing so as being culturally sacrosanct.
Being that the person of interest here (Trick Trick) is black + that I am black,
The topic is Trick Trick, but my comment was not a response to one of your replies, but rather one of Brandon’s. I don’t really believe you become part of the topic at hand, merely through association by race.
…it only stood to reason that your reply about not nurturing slang as a part of your culture was read by myself to mean that you felt I was nurturing slang as a part of my own (black) culture.
Therein lies the rub. You misinterpreted my statement and–for lack of a better term–coloured it with your own experiences and sensibilities.
Secondly, your reply was somewhat small minded in your assumption that one is either black or white, at least in regards to this discussion.
Lastly, I wasn’t talking to you; now was I? Brandon was discussing his culture and race, I was discussing mine.
That wasn’t exactly a far leap.
Like Evel Knievel jumping the Grand Canyon.
If I wanted to chastise you for saying something, though, I would have done that.
You’re far too passive-aggressive to do that, Fredo.
I do find interesting, however, what you said before about your comment being a mockery of how “ignorant” people talk.
Yes, go on.
I can’t help but wonder if you would have also used phrases like “ruffneck” + “baby-daddy” if you were mocking someone ignorant + say, Asian, White, etc…
Well, as you’ve already stated, the topic at hand is Trick Trick, who went on record during an interview talking like a moron.
He set the standard by using foolish language and I merely parroted his tone. I’ve never honestly heard an Asian use the phrase “baby-daddy” seriously, or otherwise. And when I’ve seen white people using phrases like that, they are usually being mocked for their wigger persona.
However, what you’re talking about with other races is not words, but speech patterns. I mean if an Asian were giving that interview, would they be using an Asian version of Ebonics? Doubtful. Even if they are speaking with an accent, I seriously doubt the interview would be transcribed “I no rikey Erren.” And, “…scud missire light thlough theil fucking cluise ship.”
As air quotes, so too accents don’t translate well into written form and are really nothing like purposely butchering the English language. It’s one thing to say, “My baby’s fathel” and another to say, “My baby-daddy.” One is an accent, but an attempt to speak American. The other is ridiculous.
Phoenix (Who Is Not Giving Money To Bigots)
No. 69 · RainaWeather,
Don’t you mean, “Who the fuck is Trick Trick and why the hell would he think we’d buy his piece of shit CD”?
He had to announce in a Hip Hop rag that he didn’t want somebody to buy his CD….because we were going to be lined up around the block for it if he didn’t?
fredo777
Obviously it doesn’t work. Air quotes are fine because they are visual–just as most sarcasm doesn’t translate well online, because it is written and not spoken.
Feh. I’ve never had an issue with anyone not understanding my usage of quotes in that way before. Get with it, dude.
The topic is Trick Trick, but my comment was not a response to one of your replies, but rather one of Brandon’s. I don’t really believe you become part of the topic at hand, merely through association by race.
I became part of the topic by way of you responding to Brandon’s comment + agreeing with his opinion, which included a comment that he didn’t believe Inertia + I had an issue with the “Ebonics” responses to Trick Trick’s comments. Like I said, it seemed very much like your comment about “nurturing” slang was indirectly meant for myself +/or Inertia. I might have been wrong about that. It happens. Rarely.
Therein lies the rub. You misinterpreted my statement and–for lack of a better term–coloured it with your own experiences and sensibilities.
See above comment.
Secondly, your reply was somewhat small minded in your assumption that one is either black or white, at least in regards to this discussion.
Not at all. You are attributing a viewpoint to me that is not mine. Nowhere did I suggest that one is either black or white. If you felt that, you were mistaken.
Lastly, I wasn’t talking to you; now was I? Brandon was discussing his culture and race, I was discussing mine.
This is an open forum. I responded to a public comment.
Like Evel Knievel jumping the Grand Canyon
Don’t quit your day job, kid.
You’re far too passive-aggressive to do that, Fredo.
As I said, if I want to chastise you, I will. I’d rather you didn’t psychoanalyze me.
Well, as you’ve already stated, the topic at hand is Trick Trick, who went on record during an interview talking like a moron.
Yes, but what you said was: “If by “they” you mean ignorant people, then yes; that is how I meant it.”
But, what you followed with was:
“I’ve never honestly heard an Asian use the phrase “baby-daddy” seriously, or otherwise. And when I’ve seen white people using phrases like that, they are usually being mocked for their wigger persona.”
Which suggests that you weren’t just talking about ignorant people, in general, but that there were also racial connotations.
Sen. Larry Craig
I don’t know….it kinda makes me want him more!
Paul Raposo
Feh. I’ve never had an issue with anyone not understanding my usage of quotes in that way before. Get with it, dude.
Obviously you’ve never been called on it.
I became part of the topic by way of you responding to Brandon’s comment + agreeing with his opinion, which included a comment that he didn’t believe Inertia + I had an issue with the “Ebonics” responses to Trick Trick’s comments.
If you were any further out in left field, Fredo, you’d be in right field.
One becomes part of a comment, or response when one is mentioned by name, or directly responded to. In your world, anyone who has responded to this post has, by default, become part of my comment by virtue of being on this blog right now. Absurd.
Like I said, it seemed very much like your comment about “nurturing” slang was indirectly meant for myself +/or Inertia. I might have been wrong about that. It happens. Rarely.
You may have been wrong, but you were assumptive and misrepresented my statement based on your own interpretation of it, rather than the actual and true content of that statement.
Not at all. You are attributing a viewpoint to me that is not mine. Nowhere did I suggest that one is either black or white. If you felt that, you were mistaken.
Your reply to me, quotes and all, were based on a black and white logic. Your assumption was that as a white man I was ridiculing a black man’s use of slang. It never occurred to you that I might have been using another frame of reference.
This is an open forum. I responded to a public comment.
And pointedly at me, when I was not really debating you on this. Everyone is free to interject of course, but you erroneously challenged me on an illusory point.
Don’t quit your day job, kid.
Like Bud Ekins jumping a barbed wire fence.
As I said, if I want to chastise you, I will. I’d rather you didn’t psychoanalyze me.
And there it is.
Which suggests that you weren’t just talking about ignorant people, in general, but that there were also racial connotations.
I never brought race into this, Fredo. As you stated, I wrote:
If by “they” you mean ignorant people, then yes; that is how I meant it.
There is nothing racial in that comment. You were claiming the “they” that I meant were black people. I corrected you and stated the “they” I meant were ignorant people–race was not implied.
You brought race into this by writing:
I can’t help but wonder if you would have also used phrases like “ruffneck” + “baby-daddy” if you were mocking someone ignorant + say, Asian, White, etc…
You’re the only person equating ignorant language with race. Brandon pointed that out in his comment.
fredo777
@Sen. Larry Craig:
lol
gtfo of here, Sen. Craig.
fredo777
@Paul Raposo:
Yeah. Whatever, dude.
The written air quotes stay.
You responded to Brandon’s comment — which, funny enough, was a reply to one of mine — before I replied to yours.
I was mentioned by name in that comment, not that I needed to be named in order to reply.
You are grasping at straws in your assumption that I thought you were a white man mocking a black man. You could have been green for all I cared. It was your words that I took issue with, not your color.
Yes, there it is. Consider yourself chastised.
You + I both know that your choice of words was not just based on him being “ignorant”, but we can dance around it if you wish.
At any rate, this conversation bores me now.
As you were.
Paul Raposo
The written air quotes stay.
And like fish and guests they stink.
You responded to Brandon’s comment — which, funny enough, was a reply to one of mine — before I replied to yours.
I replied to Brandon; you insinuated yourself in our discussion.
I was mentioned by name in that comment, not that I needed to be named in order to reply.
Brandon did not name names. He didn’t even hit the reply button in either your’s, or inertia’s comment.
It was your words that I took issue with, not your color.
It was your interpretation of my words that you took took umbrage at.
Yes, there it is. Consider yourself chastised.
Meh. Unimpressed.
You + I both know that your choice of words was not just based on him being “ignorant”, but we can dance around it if you wish.
No dancing, Fredo. You’re simply wrong, but you have dug in our heels and refuse to see you came to this debate biased.
At any rate, this conversation bores me now.
I was bored at comment No. 42. The classy thing to do is not to mention it.
As you were.
Normally I would write, “For the love of God, stay down, boy!” But I couldn’t begin to imagine the cultural hay you’d make of that.
fredo777
@Paul Raposo:
“Normally I would write, “For the love of God, stay down, boy!””
I think you’re giving yourself far too much credit.
Btw, I wasn’t talking about Brandon’s comment mentioning me by name; I meant yours. I suppose I’m not the only one capable of making assumptions.
Also, there was no interpreting of your comments necessary; your wording in that first comment were fairly obvious in meaning.
Like I said, though, I’ve grown bored with this discussion. Not really too bothered by whether you find it “classy” to admit that or not.
I’ll let the other forum-goers interpret the conversation for themselves + decide which of us was right.
Of course, that might be a bit difficult to do since your original comment appears to have been removed by the moderator for some reason.
fredo777
* in that first comment was
Paul Raposo
I think you’re giving yourself far too much credit.
There’s a joke in there, but I’ll let the opportunity pass.
Btw, I wasn’t talking about Brandon’s comment mentioning me by name; I meant yours. I suppose I’m not the only one capable of making assumptions.
I also mentioned afrolito, but he isn’t here painting me a bigot. And to even the casual observer, you were mentioned in example, not in response.
And considering you had to point out which comment you were referring to when you claimed I referred to you by name, demonstrates how convoluted your argument has become.
Also, there was no interpreting of your comments necessary; your wording in that first comment were fairly obvious in meaning.
How so, exactly? Trick Trick used ridiculous language to ridicule gays. I responded with equally ridiculous language to ridicule him.
Like I said, though, I’ve grown bored with this discussion. Not really too bothered by whether you find it “classy” to admit that or not.
Obviously not too bored to continue responding. You just can’t get enough of Big Daddy. Coming back for thirds and fourths–start calling you, Piggy.
I’ll let the other forum-goers interpret the conversation for themselves + decide which of us was right.
You can judge by their silence, Fredo.
Of course, that might be a bit difficult to do since your original comment appears to have been removed by the moderator for some reason.
Gee. I wonder who might have flagged my comment? Not unusually, Brandon’s comment, (No. 35,) has not been removed.
fredo777
* crickets *
PigmentallyChallenged
So lemme see if i got this “straight”.
The Christians and blacks are up in arms when some anonymous posters (whom don’t matter anyways)talk about burning churches on the internet , but this BABOON can threaten gays publicly via songs and thru Mainstream media (not to mention having a record company fund his hatred) and that’s ok?
Scud Missle? Sounds like a threat to me!
Funny his name is TRICK TRICK when the phrase “Trick” is commonly referred to in the gay community as a boytoy.
He don’t need to worry about gay guys liking him, if we want a gorilla we’ll go to the Zoo.
BOO YA!
Michael vdB
I have to laugh because it really is a publicity stunt. I am guessing he was practicing while some guy was sucking his dick on the “down low.” Oops…was I being ignorant and stereotypical?
Berdie
Happy not to buy your crap, Trick Trick…sack of useless human shit.
Dave Tomberlin
@Alan down in Florida:
Alan/Joey (Guerra – is that you)? I’ve never heard of Trick Trick. Stop e-mailing me. I work with very pro-gay artists (Gwen Stefani, Sheryl Crow, The Pussycat Dolls, Lady Gaga, Enrique Iglesias)…and I wouldn’t stand for this if I worked with him. Wrong record company/wrong dude.
Leave me alone…stop e-mailing me…
Do a little fact-checking too next time
MARTIT
Actually Trick Trick is not on Interscope. He was on Universal/Motown..not Interscope. This current release is on Koch Records. You should contact Koch Records instead..not Interscope. I think they are based out of Westchester or Long Island somewhere.
Rob
“Baboon” and “Gorilla”, pigmentally challenged? You really are no better than him.
technicolornina
@tallskin: Thanks for having the balls to post this. (I mean that in a good way.) Seriously, send that to the company and ask them if they would keep an artist on the label who said things such as what are in your revision, because I think they should be held accountable.
Charles J. Mueller
@5Tallskin: In my day, the expression used to be, “It ain’t what you say, it’s how you say it.
In today’s world, it’s more like, “It ain’t what you say, it’s whose saying it. lol
Tony
FUCK YALL
DETROIT ALL DAY
TRICK TRICK 4 PRES BITCHES
jessica
I’ve never listened to his shit, and I never will now.
I hope some gay Detroit boys find him and rape his ass.