“Overall, I wish people would understand that sexuality and gender are highly complex and influenced greatly by social forces,” Tony Silva (pictured), a sociology doctoral student at University of Oregon tells Queerty.
Related: More and more straight guys are giving up “bro jobs” and engaging in “dude sex”
Silva’s recent study, Bud-Sex: Constructing Normative Masculinity Among Rural Straight Men That Have Sex With Men, has been blowing up the Internet. In it, he spoke with 19 different men living in rural, predominately white areas who identify as straight but who hook up with other men on occasion.
“There is quite a bit of research about sexuality and masculinity in urban areas,” Silva, who identifies as queer and has both an MA and MS in sociology, explains. “Rural sexualities and masculinities are fairly understudied. For this reason I was interested in examining those areas.”
Related: “Bro-Jobs” Author Talks Straight Man-On-Man Sex And “Repressed Homosexual Desire”
We chatted with Silva about his study, the things he learned, and the response it has been getting. Here’s what he had to say…
OK, just so everyone is on the same page here, what is “bud sex” and who coined the phrase?
I came up with the term “bud-sex” to describe the participants’ experiences. Bud-sex reflects the ways in which participants interpret their sexual practices (e.g., “helpin’ a buddy out” or acting on “urges”), their preferred male sexual partners (almost always masculine, and often white and straight or secretly bisexual), and the sexual encounters in which they engaged (secretive and non-romantic).
How exactly is bud sex different from gay sex or an anonymous gay hookup?
First, it’s important to keep in mind that interpretations are central to sexual identities. Sexual identities like straight, gay/lesbian, bisexual, queer, pansexual, and others refer to a complex matrix of attractions, sexual practices, and interpretations of each. Men like these participants use unconventional interpretations to bolster their identification as straight. Thus, while “bud-sex” and anonymous gay hookups may appear similar, the people involved interpret them in completely different ways. For gay and bisexual men, their sex with men reinforces their gay or bisexual identity. For straight men, the ways in which they have sex with men—and how they interpret it—reinforce their straightness. Similar sexual practices carry different meanings across contexts and populations.
For the study, you spoke with 19 different guys from five different states who you found almost entirely on Craigslist. How did you verify their identities, and was it difficult to get them to speak with you?
17 I recruited from Craigslist, and two I recruited from Grindr. Recruitment was a major challenge, and it continues to be as I expand this for my dissertation. Men in this population are highly secretive, and even those who want to talk may not have the privacy and free time to do so.
Although there is a hypothetical possibility participants in interviews could lie, that doesn’t often happen in interviews. Dedicating an hour to an hour-and-a-half to talk about something like this is generally something people will do only if they really want to share their experiences. Indeed, many participants said they were happy that they were able to discuss their experiences with someone (me), since they aren’t often able to do that. For many, I was the first person other than their male sexual partners they told about their sex with men.
I haven’t read the entire study, but from what I’ve glimpsed, it seems many of the men engaged primarily in mutual masturbation and/or oral sex with one another. Did any of them say they engaged in anal sex with other men? What were their thoughts on anal sex with men, in general?
Going into it I thought participants might associate being penetrated with femininity or gayness, and penetration with masculinity or straightness, when in fact most did not. These interpretations of penetration as unrelated to straightness or masculinity reaffirmed their own straightness and masculinity, regardless of what specifically they did. Eleven both penetrated others and were penetrated in oral and/or anal sex, often with the same person, while eight either mostly penetrated or were penetrated. Of those who had anal sex more than a handful of times, five were mostly tops, four mostly bottoms, and two versatile. None questioned their masculinity or straightness due to penetrating or being penetrated. It was how they interpreted sex that was key to identifying as straight and masculine, not whether they penetrated or were penetrated. Eight men rarely had anal sex, either because they did not enjoy it and preferred oral and/or mutual masturbation or because they didn’t have many opportunities to do so.
Did they explain what led them to seek out sex with other men to begin with?
12 of 19 men experienced unintentional changes to their sexual attractions, years or decades after marriage. Further, 7 of 19 said they began having sex with men at least in part because sex became painful, uncomfortable, or undesirable for their wives, and 2 did so because they experienced erectile dysfunction, which limited their ability to penetrate sexual partners.
What has the response to your study been like?
The people who have reached out to me so far have expressed positive sentiments about the research. I did not expect media coverage at all, let alone from several websites! It’s very surprising but exciting. I’m thrilled with the coverage this research has received, since I think this is an important topic for people to consider and discuss.
How do you respond to critics who say that none of this is true, these men aren’t really straight, they’re gay or bisexual and they’re simply living in the closet?
These men genuinely identify as straight or some variation thereof. They are not “fooling” themselves. Regarding straight men that have sex with men, it is important to differentiate between two populations: (1) those who identify as gay or bisexual but tell other people that they are straight, and who are thus “closeted,” and (2) those who identify as straight and perceive their sexual identity in ways that run counter to what people think of as straightness. Men like my participants are in the second population. Interpretations are key to sexual identification. Certainly, they have been affected by social forces that encourage identification as straight (including widespread heteronormativity and bi/homophobia) and influence the ways they interpret their sexuality. Participants’ interpretations of their sexual practices and other aspects of their lives cement their straight identity. We cannot say an individual’s identity is inaccurate—that is their identity. We are all affected by social forces, and what identity we adopt reflects a complex combination of personal agency and social forces that influence our interpretations and choices.
Josh447
Bud sex, or str8 w benefits, sounds similar. Regarding sexual desire changing I would suspect the gay advocacy of gay marriage and coming out from under the carpet has had effect on str8 guys with new desires surfacing, that they may never had entertained prior. That would be an interesting study unto itself.
Baba Booey Fafa Fooey
They claim that “sexuality is ‘complex'” yet they continue referring to these guys as “straight”. The obsession that gay men have for straight men and the lengths they go to to sexualize them is just bizarre. If it’s not straight men, it’s Islam. Beyond weird. Strange.
Baba Booey Fafa Fooey
And, even though these men “identify” as straight, nobody needs them to identify as “straight” more than gay men and this sociologist in order to maintain their hard on. Anything else, gay or bi is a no-go. They become flacid real quick.
Paco
@Baba Booey Fafa Fooey: “Straight” is the only valid label that keeps their fantasies hard and it’s the only label they will never give up.
Josh447
Str8 guy gay seduced, always sexy. The play on words can be very arousing for many. Fun challenges. I guess one would have to be in their shoes when a married str8 guy who has occasional sex with a bud still says he’s straight. Could be the lack of romantic love connection that defines the boundary to saying he’s bi or gay.
PRINCE OF SNARKNESS aka DIVKID
I’d happily finance a luxury leather-bound edition ornamented with gold tassels and Swarovski crystals (but not in a gay way) just to see Baba Booey lose his shit. Hysteric comedy gold.
jimmy_green
@Baba Booey Fafa Fooey: Odd how these “radical” queer theorists are blind to how they contribute to privileging heterosexuality by this insistence that all identities are completely subjective. When this leads to absurd or objectively false results, such as “straight” men clinging to a socially privileged status that is incongruous with their self-reported long term sexual behavior, they then rely on the tortured mental gymnastics that the men use to make sense of the cognitive dissonance. I laughed out loud when this grad student insisted that these guys aren’t in the closet or his breazy dismissal of internalized homophobia in order to make a distinction between this “new” phenomenon he thinks he has discovered (and given a cute catchy new name -“dude sex”) and the same secretive man sex that closeted men have engaged in for centuries. Why he expects these men to be honest with him or even more likely THEMSELVES is beyond me…
Paco
“Overall, I wish people would understand that sexuality and gender are highly complex and influenced greatly by social forces,”
And yet many gay men identify as gay despite being greatly influenced by the same social forces trying to force heterosexuality upon them since birth and in many cases with shame and violence. From what I have read from Queerty about this paper, suggests that Mr Silva set the stage and created the outcome he wanted for it without bothering to scratch the surface on why these men self-identify as straight while enjoying homosexual sex and what made them straight compared to completely heterosexual men. Not very scientific.
As another poster pointed out – If sexuality is so complex, why do these men try to still identify as straight? Straight being the basic default. Privilege perhaps?
jimmy_green
@Josh447: Yea I am sure gay marriage has triggered a surge in newly discovered same sex urges in otherwise completely hetero men and driven them to random online cruising because they have been triggered by wholesome gay and lesbian couples getting hitched on TV. The religious right was correct – gay marriage is going to break up happy straight marriages when hubbie suddenly leaves wifey for some hot dude sex…But I thought the premise of this study is that these men aren’t bi/gay and they actually hate anything that resembles out gay men that they view are too faggy for dudes like them! Maybe they ran across some hot Sean Cody totally hetero gay for pay porn and that triggered their thirst for sex with other hot straight dudes. But Sean Cody is marketed to other out gay men who seem to share this fantasy of totally straight acting men who definitely aren’t gay having hot masculine sex – it is almost like the men in this “study” are just echoing the gay porn themes that many self-loathing gay men indulge in! But the grad student assured us that these men are completely different that gay/ bi men, either out or in the closet, because they told him so and they must be believed!
jimmy_green
@Paco: Silva seems oblivious that most of the “straight” men on craigslist are just gay men posing in hopes of landing a “real” straight – some of these trolls are so invested in the charade that it wouldn’t shock me at all if they signed up for his study and spent a few hours answering his questions just to feed their fantasies. This guy probably believes the same reddit posts of “straight” men telling similar tales that Queerty loves to use to mine for idiotic blog posts to feed Queerty’s own straight obsession.
Tydeezy
Why is this only for white people because black guy cant have sex with a guy and be straight….i done with all of this….
ajgregor
@jimmy_green: Right on the damn nose my friend!!! Your comment slayed! Love it!
Mo Bro
For those in whom logic isn’t a strong suit:
Straight men who have sex with other men aren’t straight.
Stop obsessing over make-believe labels.
Baba Booey Fafa Fooey
@jimmy_green: Exactly.
Paco
@jimmy_green: Agreed. The “real” straight men on Craigslist are hooking up with the women that are no longer satisfied with their husbands in the bedroom and want some NSA fun.
The only thing I see here is an attempt to change the definition of straight to include the men who secretly have sex with other men, because gay or bisexual comes with the cost of losing privilege in a society where heterosexuality is the valued and celebrated norm.
They can rename or redecorate the closet, but it is still the closet. And straight still means heterosexual.
Hussain-TheCanadian
@PRINCE OF SNARKNESS aka DIVKID: LOOOOOOOL I almost fell out of my chair LMAO!
Baba Booey Fafa Fooey
@Paco: That is exactly what they are doing. They attempting to redefine the closet. I agree with that and everything else in your post. Cheers!
Brian
Words like “gay”, “straight” etc are terms of identity politics. My experience is that it is gay-identifying guys who use them the most. I remember being in a bar once and hearing a gay-identifying gay utter “gay” and “straight” about a hundred times through the course of the night. It was torture.
This obsession with identity politics stems partly from a desire to extract information from men for sexual reasons. Unlike the breeder scene, where it is obvious that men are men and women are women, the signals within a group of men are not so obvious – not even in a “gay bar” – to a man who is hoping to pick up a man. Concepts like “gay” and “straight” are used to filter and select those men who might be available for sex.
As for this dude sex “phenomenon”, it is nothing new. It has always existed. A thousand years ago, men were having dude sex. A million years ago, men were having dude sex. Just because somebody comes up with a nifty expression like “dude sex”, it doesn’t mean it’s suddenly been invented.
Heywood Jablowme
“I recruited from Craigslist, and two I recruited from Grindr”
Yeah, I’ve “recruited” from both of those places. (Slurp!)
Kangol
I’m going to sum up Tony Silva in a sentence: He’s a guy interested in white rural DL guys so he created an academic study to get closer to a few of them. There. No interview needed.
ChuckF
I applaud Tony Silva for exploring this phenomenon. I’m not surprised that men who consider themselves to be straight have sex with men and not feel they are gay. Silva went to great length to discuss the importance of label that we use for ourselves and for others. This is sound scientific work and we learned something. I look forward to what Mr.Silva discovers as he completes his thesis.
Jack Meoff
This guy is funny, he thinks he has discovered something new and profound.
Low Country Boy
@Jack Meoff: Thank you! His “research” is tired.
ChrisK
“there is a hypothetical possibility participants in interviews could lie, that doesn’t often happen in interviews”
Please. These fucks lie to themselves and you expect them to be honest with you?
Donston
It’s amazing how dedicated this this site is to promoting debauchery and people who don’t actually identify as gay. This site seems to do nothing but promote sex and self-hate (it used to be a porn site, right? I guess I shouldn’t be surprised).
Please, Brian, it’s time to let it go. Your obessession with straight identifying men is lame and makes you look like your full of self hate. “Identify politics” is just nonsense that closet cases, narcsistic gay men who can’t deal with only having sex and relationships with men, straight men who enjoy getting sexual attention from gay men and in particular straight obessessed gay men have started pushes. First you say these men are actually bi. Now you say they’re “experimenting”. You have no real perspective besides “I want all straight men to identify as bi” crap.
Identifying who you actually are and finding a way to be comfortable with who you actually are still gigantic psychological steps that you seem to have no respect for. As I mentioned before, anyone can have sex with anyone. Actually recongizing your homosexuality, deciding to live a life that reflects that and coming out are still huge steps in people’s lives, and your focus on trying to erraticate that is frankly disrespectful and helps no one. Get over your lame straight obsessession already.
Yes, this is “straight guy sex” is no new phenomenom. People need to understand that psychology often plays as big or bigger of a role in sexual behavior and identify as actual sexual orientation. There’s a reason why so many of these dudes are abandoning the “bi-sexual” label and going for “fluid”, “queer” and “straight men who enjoy gay sex”. It’s because almost none of these men have genuine, inherent attraction to both men and women.
This is why I pays no attention to the “agenda” of men who identify as something other than homo but admit to enjoying gay sex/relationships. They’re almost always inherently gay men who can’t stand the idea of being seen as “gay”, can’t stand the idea of committing to men and can’t stand the idea of giving up women romantically and sexually because it’s too much of a blow to their egos. They delude themselves into thinking they’re not a homo because they eat pvssy, have girlfriends, actual masculine, force themselves to masterbate to lesbian porn and force themselves to not develop romantic feelings for men. It’s all just silly, pathetic mind games. Then there are the straight and gay men who simply like to sexually dominate different genders and/or be sexually dominated by different genders to boost their hungry egos and/or nymphomania. Only self-hating, straight obsessed gay men would continue to give any weight to this nonsense.
Donston
And I agree that for the most part this “bi-guy”, fluid, queer, “straight men who enjoy gay sex” pushing is just an evolution of staying closeted. Mostly inherently gay men who want the right to engage their homosexuality without having to deal with the messiness of being “branded gay” or living the “gay lifestyle” or not getting ego boosting sexual attention from women, and of course it’s gay and straight head cases/egomaniacs who want the right to fvck everyone. The fact that so many gay sites are pushing this mess is quite sickening and harmful. I guess this being such a masculine and hetero centric society would lead to so many gay men still having a straight-identifying men obessession and so many gay men not being able to live a life that’s reflective of who they actually are. But it’s stuff like this “exposé” that makes you realize how little progress has truly been made as far as self-acceptance and mental health in homosexuals.
Donston
I hate to post again, but now that I’ve thoroughly read what this Tony dude wrote: lordy, he’s another delusional, pathetic homo. It’s amazing how easy these straight-obsessed gay sluts convince themselves that all these guys they hook up with are inherently hetero because they say so and don’t want to kiss them. So many of us need help. It’s amazing how we’ve gotten past the point of wanting acceptance and wanting people to embrace who they are to simply wanting sex with “straight men” and willing to make ourselves look like desperate fools to indulge this fantasy.
Heywood Jablowme
@Donston: Tony Silva could have just gone to what I assume is his ancestors’ homeland, Portugal, where practically all “straight” men are like that!
SumSay
Has anyone actually read the study in its entirety or is everyone just making assumptions based on the interview?
Caterina_Susan
You have sex with guys, but it’s okay you’re straight. My dad has a friend names Steve who makes out with one guys every time he’s drunk and we discussed it during lunch and he said: “I think Steve has bisexual tendencies.”