A petition posted on Charge.org is asking major LGBT organizations and media outlets — including Lambda Legal, GLAAD, and Human Rights Campaign — to sever ties with trans people and issues, reading in part:
We are a group of gay/bisexual men and women who have come to the conclusion that the transgender community needs to be disassociated from the larger LGB community; in essence, we ask that organizations… stop representing the transgender community as we feel their ideology is not only completely different from that promoted by the LGB community (LGB is about sexual orientation, trans is about gender identity), but is ultimately regressive and actually hostile to the goals of women and gay men.
The petition, passionately lacking in human empathy, then breaks down the skewed reasoning in a series of lengthy bullet points: namely, the “vilification and harassment of women and gay/lesbian individuals who openly express disagreement with the trans ideology;” “The infringement of the rights of individuals, particularly women, to performance normal everyday activities in traditional safe spaces based on sex;” “the appropriation and re-writing of gay and lesbian history and culture, most notably attempting to re-cast the majority gay white men [sic] who participated in the Stonewall riots as transgender; and “persuading parents and health professionals to diagnose children as young as four as transgender.”
Several groups have responded to the petition, which as of this writing has 1,380 supporters.
GLAAD responded, in part:
“GLAAD stands firmly with the transgender community and unequivocally rejects the outrageous and destructive idea that the ‘T’ be removed from LGBT,” said GLAAD president Sarah Kate Ellis in a statement. “For decades, transgender people have worked alongside lesbian, gay, and bisexual people to advance equality for everyone, often leading the way in the movement for full equality and acceptance. Many trans people are also lesbian, gay, and bisexual — they are an inextricable and invaluable part of the LGB community. At a time when anti-LGBT activists continue to attack the basic rights and protections essential to all of our lives, we must stand together, rather than succumb to the ruin of divisiveness.”
Human Rights Campaign president Chad Griffin had this to say:
“This is unequivocally wrong. The hate that killed Matthew Shepard killed Zella Ziona. The bullies at school aren’t just harassing the gay kids, they’re harassing the transgender kids. The parents who could provide loving homes for the 400,000 children in foster care aren’t only lesbian parents, or gay parents, they’re bisexual parents and transgender parents. This idea that we are somehow separate and apart is patently untrue. We are one movement, stronger in our unity. We are one community, period. And theHuman Rights Campaign will not be done working until equality reaches every single one of us.”
In response, a new Change.org petition titled “We stand with trans people – Reject ‘Drop the T” has been posted online:
“We, the undersigned, urge the organisations petitioned by ‘Drop the T’ to disregard their call to disassociate themselves from promoting the issues of trans people alongside the rest of the LGBTQ+ community.
We find the petition by ‘Drop the T’ to be insulting, inaccurate and transphobic and we want to make it clear that this narrow group of people do not speak for the LGBTQ+ community as a whole.”
The petition currently has 2,293 signatures. You can sign it here.
Grant Mealey
Good….I don’t understand why someone dosent want it there??
Bailey Bednar
trans don’t fall under LGB which is sexual identity. They should not be included under the umbrella. Get your own fucking tent.
Andrew Button
Except trans are as hated etc as LGB plus fought for equality plus trans are also LGB etc so there’s no rational or nature reason to reject people for short-term stupidity
Brian
I have to agree with removing the T. It has nothing to do with homosexuality. Transgender people are running away from homosexuality. I would classify transgender people under “fetish” or “personality issues”.
I’m not saying that transgender people shouldn’t be treated politely. Of course they should be.
I also would remove the L. Lesbians are women. Women have never had it as bad as the men when it comes to being victims of homophobic attacks. Many anti-homosexuals laws were designed against men, not women. Women got away with the double standard – we should not be rewarding them for that.
Victor Barry
Trans is something different from LGB. I don’t understand it. While I think T will slow us down, I’m not too upset they are part of the movement.
Troy Geary
Well how self-righteous of them…sort off like those good Christians.
Glücklich
Shitstorm of historical proportions forecast for this post. Not since hurricanes Sandy Duncan & Dennis has a shitstorm of such magnitude been predicted.
Ken Spragg
I understand the impetus– being trans *is* a different ‘thing’ from being gay or lesbian or bi. The experience of being a cis gay man and the experience of being a trans man– who could be gay or straight– are not interchangeable. Hell, even being a cis gay man is qualitatively different from being a cis lesbian woman because of male privilege that doesn’t automatically go away merely by virtue of being gay.
And it seems like every “GLBTQ(…)” group I’ve ever belonged to has inevitably run up against the trans members, who are typically in the minority, feeling like the gay/lesbian/bi members are focusing so much on gay/lesbian/bi issues that trans issues are under-served– or, put another way, “this democracy is too geared toward what the majority wants.” At least once now, a bunch of the trans folk have ‘seceded’ to form their own group to cater to their concerns. Were they somehow wrong to do so?
On the other hand, it’s a natural ‘alliance’– anti-gay bigots are typically also anti-trans bigots, and there’s strength in numbers. Gay/bi men and lesbian/bi women seem to stay confederated mostly in the interests of socially legitimizing same-sex relationships, or more broadly, legitimizing alternatives to sexist, cis straight male hegemony (because anti-gay bigotry is often rooted in misogyny, so feminists are a natural ‘co-constituency’ too). But the thing is, it can’t be a “shotgun wedding.” And you can’t *make* the ‘family’ stay together if factions within it want a divorce.
So if a significant majority of “T”s as a group consensually wanted to break away from “GLB”s because their issues are different from my issues? I’d wish them well and good luck, and hope that we could collaborate as allies on mutual interests in the future. But, how does it follow then that if a significant majority of “GLB”s as a group consensually wanted to break away from “T”s because our issues are different from their issues, people should lose their minds?
If it’s bullying, it’s wrong. If it’s a break-up, those can be sad, but they are not always, necessarily, unquestionably “bad.”
SeeingAll
I’m for dropping the T, too. I’ll put up with it if the “powers that be” want to keep it, I guess, and I’m all for the rights of transgender folks, but I still don’t get why gays, lesbians, and trans folks should be lumped together so specifically. (And, yes, the trans activists defacing Segal’s statues has a lot to do with my seeing the issue more clearly).
Louie Mars
I wondered how long that would take, and I agree- I don’t want to be lumped together with trans people. Also, I don’t want to be lumped together with lesbians.
meghanada
So Ts are signing a petition for the LGBs to keep subsidizing the T. So inspiring!!!
Giancarlo85
Those who want to remove a certain part of our community simply because they don’t like them, should remove themselves from our community. We have no place for their hypocrisy. I don’t care if you don’t want to be “lumped” together with trans people.
@Brian: And yet more misogynist bullshit. Women were not allowed to vote in this country and men were. And women have been the subject of hate crimes and corrective rape if they were deemed to be or perceived to be lesbian. This happens in a great deal of countries.
Hypocrisy of the greatest form. You demand rights for yourself, yet are quick to deny it to others. You are no better than the Christian right.
Kieran
Why don’t they add an “H” for the hermaphrodite community while they’re at it?
John Malin
I’ve thought of the Rainbow Flag as being a sign of inclusiveness, for all who simply want to be themselves. Guess some people think it’s not and want it to be like The Westboro Baptists and exclude everybody else in the world. I hereby declare myself “The Church of What’s Happening Now” and want nothing to do with a bunch of hate mongers! Wondeer if I have tax free status? Hmmm?
Giancarlo85
@Kieran: They should add another “H”… for hypocrites. It’ll be reserved for people like you and Brian.
Actually… hypocrites have no place in our community.
Baba Booey Fafa Fooey
@Giancarlo85: you are so right.
SeeingAll
@Kieran: That’s sort of the point. Is every single other non-traditional non-majority sexuality supposed to be under the same umbrella as GLB ?
Giancarlo85
@SeeingAll: Trans is NOT a sexuality. It is about gender identity.
SeeingNothing… is still SeeingNothing.
SeeingAll
@Giancarlo85: I guess there are a lot of diffent opinions on the subject.
ingyaom
Trans people can be gay or straight (or bi). If they’re gay (or bi), then they’re covered by GLB, if not, they’re out of the club.
Kieran
@Giancarlo85: Exactly right. It is NOT the same at all. Gay refers to sexual orientation and Transgender refers to gender identity. So why do we have supposedly “gay rights” groups fighting desperately to make gay and transgender synonymous in the eyes of the public? All it does is create confusion and misunderstanding of what being gay means? Should gays and lesbians support transgender people and their rights? Yes, absolutely we should. We should be allies. But trying to make us one and the same is counter productive.
Robert Klingerman
Ken, Ken, Ken, I and pretty much everyone else knows that you mean well!!! Relax hon, we get it! Peace!
Giancarlo85
@Kieran: Blah blah blah blah… they are still part of our community and deserve equal rights and respect. They aer PART of our community. This doesn’t create any confusion at all, except for conservative republican brownnosers like yourself.
bob5678
Not surprised at all. I was actually wondering when this would happen…the gay “rights” movement has become the ultimate form of degeneracy. The gay “rights” movement has always been composed of cis white people who feel “victimized” because they can’t marry their “boyfriend twin” or buy a cake like their straight white cis counterparts. Cis white gays are unable to empathize qith other marginalized groups because they lack real discriminatory experiences. Not only that, cis white gay people love to perpetuate the systems of heteronormativity and white privilege in our society because they benefit immensely from them. This is why cis white gay acceptance went through the roof in the last 10 years because cis white gays sold the idea that they are just like like straight white relatives. Increased visibility of *trans and minority gays hurts that idea.
Giancarlo85
@bob5678: Right. Many of those white gay biological males (I don’t use the term CIS) can’t even understand the plight of LGBT people of ethnic and racial minorities I must add.
judysdad
I have known a number of trans people, as my partner was an electrologist for over a decade. Not a ONE of them was “part of our community”. Are some of you nuts? The overwhelmingly majority of trans individuals do NOT consider themselves gay and, in fact, do not usually want anything to do with us.
Giancarlo85
@judysdad: Ah yes… more personal samples. Look everybody? Somebody brought up “some people they know”. It’s fact isn’t it? PERSONAL SAMPLES ARE YOUR OWN DAMN OPINIONS.
Rangel Sanchez
Alb Sotel. Want to share your two cents. :p
SeeingAll
@Giancarlo85: They deserve equal rights and respect, of course, but why do you say the T are part of “our” (gay) community ? Moreso than…Jews or Gypsies or Hermaphrodites or Polygamists or…?
Giancarlo85
I propose we add another “H” for hypocrites. Because there are plenty on here! Next thing we know these same tools want some gay men excluded because they are too feminine.
SeeingAll
@bob5678: Not for me. I’ve announced and expounded on the homosexuality of black guys from George Washington Carver to Little Richard (just as another part of my reminding people how many notables were/are gay), and I still see no connection between homos and trans folk.
SeeingAll
@Giancarlo85: Gay men being feminine is a whole other subject. Personally, I see no reason to exclude Liberace, Quentin Crisp, Charles Nelson Riley, Edward Everett Horton….etc. They were still males and still wanted other males.
Giancarlo85
SeeingNothing has dirt in his eyes. He should go see an eye doctor for that. SeeingAbsolutelyNOTHING misses the point once again.
SeeingAll
@Giancarlo85: Then what’s the point I’m missing ?
Giancarlo85
http://thinkprogress.org/lgbt/2015/11/09/3720478/change-petition-transphobia-wedge/ – This whole petition is a FRAUD. If any of you believed it as genuine, you’re being incredibly naive. This article DEBUNKS all the lies certain gay men are peddling. Funny how those certain gay men are usually conservative themselves and repeat the same lies as the right wing.
This whole petition is a set-up and some of you fell right for it!
Masc Pride
The Q is rather unnecessary too. L, G and B are all sexual orientations, trans is not. Aside from that, most trans people consider themselves completely hetero versions of their desired gender. Basically trans people have about as much of a place in the gay community as heteros.
Giancarlo85
@Masc Pride: ERRR Wrong. Quite a few trans people are gay, lesbian or bi themselves. You’re statement is utterly ridiculous and shows how ignorant you are.
Giancarlo85
@Giancarlo85: *Your
SeeingAll
@Giancarlo85: I’d be willing to accept the T if anyone could give me a legitimate reason why I should. But so far nobody (including you) has given me one. Or any good arguments for the other side. So…what am I missing ?
Giancarlo85
SeeingNothing is not someone that can be reasoned or negotiated with. This troll would just chew you out and ignore anything you post. I posted a valid link with multiple solid arguments, and as expected the troll will not read them. Ever.
SeeingAll
@Giancarlo85: Give me just one of the arguments.
SeeingAll
@Giancarlo85: And stop with the insults. You’re negating yourself.
Giancarlo85
NOBODY has EVER given me a valid reason as to why trans people should be excluded.
And the only one negating himself here is the troll that refuses to read the link I provided with extensive argument as to why trans people should be included. I’m not copying and pasting anything.
CWM85
Trans people have been part of gay culture and communities for decades. I don’t see the point in removing the T now… although it is a separate thing from being LGB. The only thing that confuses me with trans is the identification of being “straight” especially if you still your gender you were at birth unless you transition all the way…
SeeingAll
@Giancarlo85: I’ll give you a good reason why they should be excluded. They’re not gay and lesbian.
Kieran
Here’s the only on-line poll I could find relating to the question:
Should the “T” in “LGBT” be dropped?
DataLounge poll:
Current results:
Should the “T” in “LGBT” be dropped?
Yes
72.0%
No
28.0%
Giancarlo85
Trans people can be gay, bi and lesbian.
inbama
@Kieran:
Intersex people are actually sensible.
They too often ACTUALLY ARE assigned male and female SEX at birth through surgery and without their consent.
SeeingAll
@Giancarlo85: Sure….a percentage can. But a percentage of anyone can. So why don’t we take LGBT and add J (for Jews), G (for Gypsies) and U for Untouchables from India ?
Giancarlo85
@Kieran: Oh yes. Because online polls are so incredibly “accurate” and SCIENTIFIC.
*yawn*
And I wonder who votes in those? ANYONE.
@SeeingAll: Another stupid strawman argument.
SeeingAll
@Giancarlo85: At least I give SOME argument.
Giancarlo85
Still no real reason as to why trans people should be excluded. Just more of the same blabbering and hatred. We’re not going anywhere.
SeeingAll
@Giancarlo85: They should be excluded because they’re NOT gay or lesbian.
Giancarlo85
NOT A GOOD ENOUGH REASON AND NOT A VALID REASON EITHER. FAIL! SeeingNothing has too much dirt in his eyes.
Giancarlo85
By the way, quite a few trans people are not straight. So your point has been totally debunked.
SeeingAll
@Giancarlo85: Okay, then if you think anyone whosoever should be included along with Gays, Lesbians, and Bisexuals, we’ll make it GLBTQPJGUPTVSSASEALKH (the last letter stands for Hmong, because they’ve suffered and I bet some of them are gay).
Giancarlo85
Now he’s just acting like an emotional train wreck… what a hysterical troll.
bob5678
@SeeingAll: this is what’s wrong with cis gay white men. Why can’t everyone fight for the equal rights of others? Why are your rights prioritized over the rights of others? Why does there need to be some sort of connection between marginalized groups in order for those groups to support each other? Your privilege is showing.
alphacentauri
I’m not surprised this is happening. I know transwomen and transmen who think that transpeople and trans issues should be completely separate from LGB issues/LGB people.
Tobi
You can support the World Wildlife Fund as well as Battersea Dogs Home but just because they’re both concerned with animals doesn’t make their goals one and the same thing. I really, really wish lesbians and gays would get back to campaigning for homosexual equality and not sit by and allow important legislation to get derailed by such superfluous and irrelevant nonsense as transgender restrooms. If anyone here has engaged with the trans community as I have done, you soon realise that many are not even our supporters let alone our friends. It’s not hard to believe we’re just viewed as a necessary evil, piggy-backing on our higher profile and larger numbers. I do support trans equality and rights and will continue to do so, but it’s a completely different issue to that which I’ve fought and am still fighting for, homosexual equality.
Ummmm Yeah
They hold us back and they are nearly all homophobic. Just because no one else likes them that doesn’t mean they have to be our burden. They are not a sexual orientation. They are self mutilators that that kept us from getting job and housing protection and cost us Houston. They bring nothing to the table. They openly hate gay men in particular. And they are stealing rights from real women. That takes us from fighting to equal rights to being an aggressor and that is a losing position for us.
Brian
Trans-identifying people have personality issues. They are imagining things – ie that they can become the opposite sex to that which they were born.
Imagination is fine but, when there are no boundaries, it becomes delusion.
1EqualityUSA
Brian, Lesbians won your rights in court, you tool.
JessPH
Unless they identify as gay, lesbian or bisexual then the T should definitely be dropped from the gay rights movement.
While homosexuals are working hard to break gender stereotypes, transgender people are merely perpetuating them. They are insisting that their feelings and behavior are not “appropriate” for the gender they are assigned at birth so they need to transition to the gender “appropriate” for their feelings & behavior.
We need to also address the issue of children being diagnosed as having “gender dysphoria” and being allowed to already mess with their bodies by taking hormones. This is simply outright wrong. They might only be confusing same sex attraction with gender dysphoria. Parents should be responsible enough to leave the choice of transitioning to their children once they turned adults and mature enough to know who they really are.
And that’s why I SIGNED THE PETITION.
Cam
So Queery posts things like this, giving the appearance that they care about Trans rights.
And yet the Reform Jewish Congregation of America pUT out a completely Trans inclusive statement and rules that covers the majority of all Jews in the country and yet nothing. Weird because Queerty seems to have no trouble running articles on one crazy ultra Orthodox rabbi whi doesn’t like gays. Strange that you would continue to ignore one of the largest religious denominations in the nation going Trans inclusive.
As for the petition, not sure I get the point, DADT is gone, marriage is won, so we’very all had a setback with the Houston thing. Get over it. If the nut jobs hate transforms it’s because they’very lost most of the fight against LGB’s I have NO trouble with the large groups continuing to go after those bigots until every single one of those hateful d*cks is stuck living in a completely inclusive world.
Now if only the Trans activists would spend half the time going after those bigots that they spend attacking gays ir trying to erase lesbians from history we might get some more things done.
meghanada
I signed the petition, too. And it’s not lost on me those opposing it can only appeal to moral agitation – to denouncing it as ‘transphobic’, ‘awful’ – instead of engaging it in an intellectual level.
1EqualityUSA
“Just as the terrorists seek to divide humanity in hate, so we have to unify it around an idea. And that idea is liberty.” (Tony Blair)
Do not let the Tedious Right divide our efforts, as we will be more easily defeated. Leave nobody behind on the battlefield. We are all seen as one amorphic lump of sin by the haters, they see no difference between us. The trans community helped during the AIDS crisis, a time when we had so few friends. Now that we are making progress, let us include all under the umbrella, so that we are not ashamed of ourselves, 20 years from now, for being so selfish.
Cam
@bob5678:
And proving my point here is ANOTHER rac-ist, anti-gay post from somebody Trans who is once again spending all of their time attacking LGB’s and ZERO time fighting against any of the right wing bigots out there.
Hi Bob, rather than doing the right wing’s job for them, why not join with the rest if the community and do some work? Just a thought.
1EqualityUSA
So what? NOM had people sign their petition. Haters cling together like lumps of platelets. Can we make such a thing public? I would like to have a list of the names. It should be made public, so that we can see who signed it.
Tobi
@1EqualityUSA: “The trans community helped during the AIDS crisis…” What a load of twaddle, or is this yet another attempt to transwash history?!
Giancarlo85
@Ummmm Yeah: These are more lies being peddled by hypocrites. I love all the hypocritical arguments. Most trans people support the community. Do not be fooled by a few.
There are still no logical arguments here. Houston was lost because of depressingly bad turnout, and still would have been lost even if trans people were not part of it.
The whole thing about bathrooms… A religious right lie that some here have bought into. I love seeing some gay men act like hypocrites and act like they only matter.
Brian is the worst. He even wants to exclude lesbians, even though lesbians won us the most legal cases for equality. You really can’t fix stupid. Some of you should be ashamed of yourselves. You are an embarrassment to this community signing this fake setup of a petition.
1EqualityUSA
Good article, Giancarlo 85. Of course, the Tedious Right is attempting to divide us.
1EqualityUSA
Tobi, I lived through it. I saw the fund raisers, the bathing and feeding they did.
Paul Matwiow
Some interesting points. Why can’t we consider and continue the dialogue around these points and co-exist rather than take a “I’m right, you’re wrong” approach, That’s what’s wrong with this country – division and intolerance. Sad
MrKnowItAll
I have enormous respect for the transgender community. I will continue to be an ally and to stand up for injustices against them.
However, We are two completely separate groups with different agendas. A division makes sense to allow the individual group better focus toward their specific goals.
Giancarlo85
@MrKnowItAll: Started off well, but fell apart. Division works so well doesn’t it?
Kenneth L. Kish
Thank you to the cross dresser Mr Jenner
Tobi
@1EqualityUSA: I was on the front line for over a decade, in London, Paris, New York and San Francisco. I never saw, met or heard of a transexual helping out, fund raising, bathing or feeding those affected, apart from one in the UK, the marvellous Julia Grant. I and anyone who was actually there know exactly who we owe the biggest debt to, our lesbian sisters, who despite being unaffected themselves, shouldered a burden that often gay men avoided. In fact, the “T” word was reserved for transvestites back then, transexuals were referred to by the community as “sex changes”. Transexuals were a rarity then, and they don’t make up a significant percentage of the population now. They didn’t riot at Stonewall and they certainly weren’t leading the charge to confront the AIDS crisis. If they weren’t piggy backing on the gay community, they’d be invisible apart from the occasional media darling, such as April Ashley, Caroline Cossey, Julia Grant, Caitlin Jenner, etc. etc.
Ummmm Yeah
@Giancarlo85: If you let “the few” speak for you and push them on us by taking over gay websites and posting non-stop articles about them, then you are just as bad as they are.
1EqualityUSA
I saw it with my own twitching eyes, Tobi. You can’t really believe that our community should exclude “T” can you? It’s the easier path, but it isn’t the noble one. LGBT are inextricably entwined and we will always be. We are certainly strong enough to handle a Texas-sized setback. It is the Tedious Right chipping away at our block. Divide and conquer. Let’s just disagree on this and be done. You will not be moved from your exclusive mindset, no more than Maggie Gallagher will ever be moved to accept LGBT. What is it about humans that we need to exclude, “the other?” We are all one and we will overcome laws designed to oppress us. I will leave nobody behind on this hate-filled battlefield. Have compassion and give, even without the hope of getting in return, because it’s the right thing to do. Stop the hate.
Kye
@SeeingAll: I get that there’s some tension in keeping the letters together (being both a B and T). However, I am for keeping them together, for the following reasons: 1) both groups have been discriminated against for their gender expression which doesn’t follow the gender norms that society gives us 2)We all face limitations on where we can travel if we don’t want to end up in a country where we are illegal (if we have that kind of cash) because we’re “abominations” 3) We all get the “are you born this way?” question, as if that would all of a sudden make us acceptable (on the bi side, even if we are, that still doesn’t help us, because people figure we can choose which “team” to bat for) 4) Trans face queer issues because even if we transition to straight, those that don’t accept our trans think of us as being in gay relationships 5) Our partners, regardless of gender identity get questions about their sexual orientation 6)The GLB faces issues accessing bathrooms, particularly butch women 7)Participating in sports is an issue for us all, which while with the T has a few additional issues, at the recreational level of sports a lot of it is because we’re apparently all raging perverts in the change room 8)Drag is a big part of both communities; it’s an art form we created together 9) We have a history together, and have formed larger queer communities together, even if within them we get into territorial matches about who belongs in what bar or bathhouse. 10) We offend cis, straight mainstream society’s sensibilities so much more effectively together.
That doesn’t mean on certain issues we will all overlap, or that all of us will want to be in community all of the time. Some transpeople don’t want to be with the LGB, and some transpeople don’t want to be with the trans community. Just as some LGB people want nothing to do with the larger LGB community.
And in regards to your earlier comment about the defacing of the Segal statues, I personally think their actions were out of line, offensive, counterproductive…(the language I would like to use would probably have my comment blocked).
Bob LaBlah
@Giancarlo85: remember this? Performances like this don’t help YOUR situation. Neither does being a cis one minute and denying it the next.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_kA6gqXhT_8
BJ McFrisky
Drop the T.
And the B.
And for fuck’s sake, what the hell is a Q anyway?
I even discourage people from lumping me in with LGB, since the term “gay” automatically implies I’m a pride-marching far-left activist who wants to shove my sex life in other peoples’ faces—so I certainly don’t want people thinking I need to dress like a woman to feel complete.
Dan Levin
Why do we exclude straight people from LGBTQIA+?
It’s w group of people who really have nothing in common. Why not just include everyone?
aliengod
Thanks for the info Queerty. I had no idea this petition existed, but I gladly signed it. Drop the T! It has nothing to do with LGB.
SeeingAll
@bob5678: Can’t you read ? I just said I’ll fight or the rights of others. I’ll go along with changing it to GLBTQPJGUPTVSSASEALKH.
SeeingAll
@1EqualityUSA: Who cares if the religious Right sees us as the same as Transgenders? You think I let them decide who I’m one-and-the-same with ?
SeeingAll
@Kye: Thank you. I still disagree on linking GLB with T (unless that T is bi or gay or L), but I’m totally supportive of any T.s equality or pursuit of happiness.
Jeff Phillips
it seems to me that the trans community is trying to distance themsleves from the LGB group, we don’t need to push them out
Masc Pride
Yes, there are transgenders that identify as bisexual, gay or lesbian; no one is denying that. Those people would still be LGB without the T thrown on, yet another reason to let it go. There are also LGB Jews, blacks, Latinos, little people, etc., etc., etc. but we don’t add on extra letters to represent those groups. Lots of people struggle because of discrimination in this country, but that doesn’t automatically make them part of the gay community.
Trans is a separate issue. It’s its own battle. It is a different community that has little to do with sexual identity. A lot of LGB people don’t understand what it means to be trans and don’t identify with the trans experience at all.
Dietrich Delaçroix
What’s life without the T?
Tobi
@Ummmm Yeah: If you let “the few” speak for you… Exactly! This is what happened back in the 1970’s, a few activists in the catbird seats insisted on letting NAMBLA and PIE join the party. I’d never met a single gay or lesbian who wanted anything to do with them, most of us were extremely vocal in our opposition and even refused to march if they were represented. However, the damage was done and because of “the few”, the word gay became synonymous with child abuser in many people’s minds, and sadly in some quarters, still is.
AndYouWillDeal
The trans activists have been bullying the LGB claiming we are “privileged”, and trying to police our language. That goes against what has made our community so great: Thinking outside the box, pushing the boundary, etc. They want to bully us into politic correctness. I say we strike first and kick them out.
CWM85
I feel Trans people should not be discriminated against. I don’t understand why they feel the way they do and deserve kindness and respect if they give it too… I know a few trans people and have asked them to explain how they feel and they have told me. Now their identity is different than sexual orientation. Its about gender not what you like sexually, romantically. I don’t mainstream groups like HRC, Noh8, Glaad will drop the T anytime soon.
alphacentauri
@BJ McFrisky: Bisexual people should be with lesbian and gay people, as we are all not heterosexual and fight for the same rights.
CWM85
Giancarlo in another spat because someone has a different opinion. This nut job, ass clown is really a raving tyrant. Stop picking fights Gian… get another hobby…
Saint Law
Masc Prude, BJ McFisky, Brian/Jason/Brinley/Jim/Micheal, Alien Tard – it’s Queerty’s tragic roll-call of twunts.
If these closets had their way there’d be no L.B.T.Q or G.
Saint Law
@Tobi: And to the list add the fecal ‘Tobi’ who has actually managed to equate trans men and women with paedophiles!
ButtStuff
FFS, just ban Giancarlo85 already.
Avery Alvarez
Well, one thing that’s true is that there are MANY schisms in the LGBT community, not just between the LGB’s and the T. You see them played out on here or any GBLT sight in the comment sections everyday.
The main problem is everyone wants to talk and nobody wants to listen. Everybody wants to blame their problems on some other section of LGBT. Everyone wants to play the victim, whether it be between masculine and femmes, black and white gays, liberal and conservative, trans and cis, etc…
ONce again, I don’t see a solution because no wants wants to listen, they just want to blame others while playing the victim themselves.
Avery Alvarez
@AndYouWillDeal: I used to believe in the concept of “privilege”, but having seen it used and abused so many times by people just wanting to say “I’m a wittle wictim and you owe me money, self-esteem, a good job, a handsome boyfriend, a mansions, a new car, and my own solar system because I’m a wittle wictim and you’re not” just fcking disgusted me. “Privilege” is like “sin” now. Just a word ideologues throw around to control others and shut down dialogue.
Giancarlo85
@ButtStuff: JUST BAN YOURSELF. Nobody wants you here.
@Bob LaBlah: Ah yes. The fraud is posting a fake video I never said was me and I never posted. This liar shouldn’t quit his day job… oh wait… he hasn’t been employed in decades. I think it’s more his repulsive personality.
Giancarlo85
@CWM85: You’re a raving lunatic who has no rhyme or reason to any of his posts. I’ve tried dealing with you in a civilized manner, explaining to you how the political system works in America… and you keep repeating the same thing like a diseased mind. Have fun spouting off more lies about me.
ButtStuff
@Giancarlo85: Dude, you’re like if Donald Trump and Eric Cartman had a baby. A gigantic screaming man sized baby.
Tobi
@Saint Law: Hahaha. I have to laugh. I was just pointing out that we’ve allowed ourselves to be hijacked yet again.
We’ve lost important employment and housing law to the wholly irrelevant and superfluous demand for transtoilets and now have to suffer the perception that’s what us gays and lesbians are all about… transtoilets. I actually don’t give a toss about transtoilets, do you?!
I’m afraid that Lambda, HRC, GLAAD et al haven’t spoken for me in many a year, and I can only hope the outcome of all this nonsense will be the eventual rebirth of the Campaign for Homosexual Equality.
JimboinLA
Gender dismorphia has nothing to do with homosexuality. Hating your penis and wanting to have an operation to invert it is not anything I can relate to as a gay man and I do resent being lumped in with people who have that disorder. While I have sympathy for them I do not think we are similar in a any way. I’m glad someone is standing up to the PC bullsh*t and calling it like it is. If you want to dress like a woman that’s fine but the second you start thinking about inverting your penis and trying to pretend you have a vagina you’ve completely lost me.
Giancarlo85
@ButtStuff: You’re the love child of Ben Carson and Mike Huckabee… don’t see any of us complaining about it.
@JimboinLA: I’m sorry, but you’re full of shit (so much for the PC bullshit). It isn’t always about “hating” your penis. You coudln’t get anymore infantile.
JimboinLA
@Giancarlo85: I didn’t say it was ‘always’ about hating your penis. But it definitely sometimes is. Watch Felicity Huffman’s amazing performance in Transamerica. Bree tells her therapist that her penis ‘disgusts’ her. Sorry. I just can’t relate to that. I love my penis. And calling me infantile is pretty infantile. You seem to be in some sort of denial about the nature of gender dysmorphia.
Bob LaBlah
@Giancarlo85: Jackass, had you looked you would have noticed that it wasn’t that same video of you beating up that poor, innocent fast food coworker of yours just because she told you she had no more money to buy you drinks. You violent, drunken skank. Your butt stinks and THIS video PROVES you have no shame nor respect. You are also lying about your age. There is no way in hell it only took thirty years to look like that. And the original name was battle at the Arena, but you went back and changed it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L1wZqI7zyag
SeeingAll
@Bob LaBlah: Is one of those the person I’ve been arguing with ???
Bob LaBlah
@SeeingAll:” Is one of those the person I’ve been arguing with ???”
IT SURE IS, Sherlock! That there sho’ nuff is that skanky ol’ whore trying to pass herself off as a thirty year old “something or other” (cis-tis-dis-anything damn thing but what she is, an old frustrated, broke, SRO illegal immigrant drunk) over here on queerty but look at her/IT in real life. Isn’t she scary? And can’t you too read that neon sign in the middle of her forehead blaring ” I just STINK?”
She is BEATING that poor kid (whose only mistake was running out of money to pay for drinks for her freeloading ass) and throwing the child around like a rag doll. I mean her ass is COMPLETELY out of control. I mean that ugly ass queen has NO shame what-so-ever. And now she is trying to deny she is in the video and she didnt post it before claiming how bad she is. Isn’t it disgusting?
Yes, that’s her in the top vid. The poor child she is fighting with did manage to tear the old whores dress off of her but couldn’t fight off “miss G’s” posse once they arrived. Notice them pouncing on the poor kid once that old queen ran out of breath due to alcohol intoxication? As you can probably already guess, I don’t like her. I never did after she posted this and bragged about it as though it is something to be proud of.
Yes, that is what you and others ARE arguing with here on Queerty. She gets drunk and goes on other sites as well, that’s how I caught this posting but had a hard time remember which site it was on. But anyway, I found it and it is her. It’s the one at the top with the torn, off-the-rack-of-Target purple, low-life El-Gato-Negro-at-closing-time type bar dress. Thats the type of bar where those low-life mexicans get drunk and ANYTHING starts to look good to them, and in steps “girl” to fill the void. Isn’t it just disgusting? Look at her ass hanging all out.
CWM85
Giancarlo still fighting other posters for having an different opinion. What an ass. I schooled him on politics, laid out facts and he is too delusional to get it. You are just the biggest troll on this site. You are here all day picking fights. Probably an illegal immigrant at that…
CWM85
I’ve seen pics of giancarlo another user posted pics of him… average looking guy.. I think he has some much angst in him because he is such an insufferable little loony rat… Gian stop the attacks on me and others. Tired of you coming after me. Get a life.
tricky ricky
@Giancarlo85: they have sex changes to become straight for the most part. they don’t have sex changes to become lesbians and gays except in rare occasions.
Giancarlo85
@Bob LaBlah: Care to show us what posts where I posted that?
Oh that’s right… you’re just an impotent lying liar who takes out your shortcoming onto others people. You’re a sick demented homophobic freak.
@CWM85: You didn’t school anyone. It’s apparently you need to go back to school. Youre an idiot when it comes to politics. I guess that works in your political party (the republican party). Go back to Newsmax or whatever shitbag website you came from.
@CWM85: How am I average looking? What pics? One small one on some site that was cropped? You’re probably incredibly mediocre and have nothing going on in your life. Pathetic little boy.
Giancarlo85
@CWM85: Post some of your pics. Please we’re all waiting. You act as if you’re god’s gift to the world (if there was a god lol). Usually those who attack the looks of others, look like crap (take a look at Bob McBigMac).
tricky ricky
I agree with the petitioners. trans should never have been included in the first place. there are also trans who agree and who actually suggested it first a couple of months ago.
aliengod
@Bob LaBlah: Wow! I saw the picture and Giancarlo85 looks just like the mental midget I’d pictured her to be. Come on Queerty, it’s time to ban this crazy, hateful ass. Why do you keep allowing this unemployed, bigoted, name calling troll to stay on this site? Stop it already. It’s time you allow the adults to have real discussion without the juvenile name calling and personal attacks that’s all she offers. I’m sure her response will be to parrot exactly what’s been said. Lame!
Giancarlo85
@aliengod: Why don’t you post some pics of yourself, alienturd? It’s time to ban Alienturd (his alias CWM85), BJ McFrisky and anyone who espouses any form of conservative viewpoints. It’s time to have this site cleaned and having only progressive viewpoints. There are right wing websites for these trolls to infest. And before someone starts crying about freedom of speech…
There isn’t any on a private website.
Time to kick out these childish trolls like alienturd and others. They detract from the original progressive message of this website. This website was supposed to be for progressives like myself to discuss real issues. The only thing these little pricks can talk about is some pic they never seen.
Unemployed? That’s rich. I have a better job than you, and you’ll never get promoted at the clothing store you’re working at.
Giancarlo85
@Bob LaBlah: Are you on drugs? Oh no wait.. you’re senile and you’re rambling. You’re incoherent. You’re out control … swinging wildly like you are on drugs. You’re a crazy lunatic. Your entire rant makes absolutely no sense.
Giancarlo85
Bob sounds like one of those murderous street preachers that would be willing to stab you to get them to believe their shit. Bob you need some serious help. You’re unhinged and I think you’re perhaps a danger to yourself. I strongly urge Queerty to call the local authorities in Bob’s area. The state has a right to take control of someone who is insane and a danger to themselves. His paranoia and delusions are preventing a clear view of reality.
1EqualityUSA
“He knelt among the shadows and felt his isolation bitterly. They were savages it was true; but they were human.”
–William Golding, Lord of the Flies
SeeingAll
@1EqualityUSA: Truman Capote said that book was a total joke. Totally stolen from A High Wind in Jamaica.
SeeingAll
I know he’s raving, hates whites, and is paranoid, but I don’t know if that’s him in the video. I never know who is really telling the truth on here. Interesting video, though, whoever they are. Shows how vicious those drag types are with each other.
Giancarlo85
@SeeingAll: that is Bob making stuff up. Surely, you can’t be this naive?
RobvR
After more than 24 hours my reaction is still awaiting moderation…. Never mind, I don’t care anymore. My reaction wasn’t rude or insulting unlike many others I’ve read here. Guess that coming with a “blablabla” as a reaction is appropriate on this site. Good luck to you all and many I’ll be back in a month.
CWM85
Giancarlo is a complete turd who attacks people all day on here. He/she should be banned… I’ve seen ya pic with your goody uneven haircut and that sly smile. You are not a very nice person. The anger and hate you have comes from inside your pitiful existence. You are a bully on here and nuts. We are tired of it. Go away…
animaux
Drop the T. For all the reasons mentioned in the petition and more.
They are the ones who started the separation, by attacking us, attacking women (straight and lesbian) and gay men who are not attracted to oposite sex. They don’t want anything to do with us, apart from sharing our money. They already have exclusively trans organisations. Why are we not allowed to have our own too?
CWM85
Giancarlo says ban all that don’t share his extreme progressive views. Goes back to whatI said. This lunatic has a problem with different points of views. Amendment number 1. Free speech. He is a tyrant that needs to be banned. Unacceptable craziness from this tool whi thinks owns this site.
CWM85
I don’t know why T is part of LGB either… but if they drop it will come off bad for us LGB folks…
animaux
Gay inc. doesn’t want you to know about this petition, it wants to shame you into not even thinking about signing it.
animaux
@CWM85: Enough is enough. A message has to be sent. If they went out of their way to force Google to remove the link to the petition from the search results, it means that there are sinister powers behind the suppression. Such as the big pharma and private medical industry.
Giancarlo85
@RobvR: Um, it could be just one word that site automatic censor doesn’t like. They never get around to approving comments.
@CWM85: Look in the mirror. You’re on here at all hours of the day far more than I am. You comment basically under every article. You came with such force, but most people ignore you. The only reason I respond to you is because I feel pity. Most people gave up on replying to you, and I really think I should do the same thing. My haircut isn’t “uneven”. Stop trying to judge… you’re a pathetic thing who is bullying me every chance you have.
That’s called being a hypocrite.
@CWM85: Yes absolutely. You should be banned and so should any other right winger. Period. This site is NOT covered under the US Constitution. “NO shoes, NO service”. You’re the real lunatic. This is a PRIVATE WEBSITE NOT COVERED UNDER THE US CONSTITUTION.
You’ve constantly called me for being banned, but I call you to be banned. You’re a nobody who posts everywhere nad you are the one who thinks he’s some admninistrator. Grow up and go back to whatever c*h*a*t*room you came from.
Giancarlo85
CWM said I was lazy, live off welfare, and want everything for free. If his posting habits on here were any indication, he’s the one without a job. I wonder who pays for his internet access. He’s probably stealing it from the neighbor’s or living at his parents.
His rhetoric is similar to a Ben Carson or Donald Trump supporter. He then posted a total outright lie about him being independent. He’s a right winger. Right wingers should not be allowed to post on here. This is a private website. A PRIVATE WEBSITE is not covered under the Constitution. If you were in my home, I could tell you to get out if you started spouting off right wing political BS.
@animaux: Big old conspiracy isn’t it? Trans people are part of this community whether you like it or not, and it has nothing to do with big pharma. You know what we need to remove from our community? Hypocrites. That’ll be a tough one.
Bob LaBlah
@SeeingAll: Rest assured, its her. And IT knows it too, hence the embarrassment. As the saying goes “be careful before you hit the “video post” button on youtube because you and your antics will live forever”. Its ok and really doesn’t make any difference because anyone with a brain already knew she was as nutty as a fruit cake.
@Giancarlo85: ” Unemployed? That’s rich. I have a better job than you, and you’ll never get promoted at the clothing store you’re working at.”
Your the only queen I know whom EVERYONE can picture you looking like you STINK while vacuuming a floor, whether or not in heels. YOU stink and look just like you do too.
SeeingAll
Well…..anyway, drop the T. I’ll support the rights of the T, but….(or at least exchange it for LP, Little People. I still can’t relate, but….it might be an interesting change).
Giancarlo85
@Bob LaBlah: Prove it is me. Prove it. Provide some proof where I ever posted that video or said it was me. You are a compulsive liar.
You can’t help but be such a big liar. I think it is a mental condition.
You made the claim. Now it’s time to back it up.
Bob LaBlah
@Giancarlo85: Dummy, rather than CONTINUE going on and on about it not being you (and it IS) how does this sound; post an updated picture of you (and try to find one where you look passably decent or just had a different colored ol’ cheap, whorish-looking dress torn off of you) and see if ANYONE is stupid enough to believe it.
You need your ass whipped for doing that to that poor child and you know it. It is embarrassment and embarrassment alone that forces the guilt out of you and makes you feel obligated to continuously deny what we can all see is the obvious, that being you are nothing but an ugly, OLD drunken-ass whore who preys on young, misguided children. I bet that poor child had siblings who only got refried beans that week with no cut up hotdogs thrown in for meat thanks to money being WASTED buying your old drunk, ungrateful ass drinks.
Oh, you WHORE. You just make me SICK when I look at what and how you are treating that poor child. Listen, don’t get your ass fired from cleaning those white folks nasty, filthy toilets by LYING and keep on saying every other minute that aint you in that video. Keep on and I WILL email it to the Arena folks and let them see you for just what you are. It wouldn’t shock me at all to read in their reply to that email that you were banned from there LONGGGG ago.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L1wZqI7zyag
SeeingAll
@Giancarlo85: I’m not taking sides, but why DID you kick that poor queen ?
Giancarlo85
@Bob LaBlah: Proof?
Or are you just going to spout off another six paragraphs of utter nonsensical bullshit?
YOu’re the one that makes me sick. Somebody like you shouldn’t even be allowed to use the internet. You should be hospitalized in a mental institution.
Masc Pride
Oh. My. God. That video is repulsive on sooooo many levels. I always said he wasn’t all there mentally but never pictured him being quite that uncivilized.
@SeeingAll: Isn’t it so interesting how someone who incessantly accuses of others of internalized homophobia is at a PRIDE event (of all places) physically attacking another gay person just like a homophobe? That was a gay bashing in that video. That was real hatred.
Giancarlo85
That video isn’t me. That is a lie. Some have already seen my picture, and it’s quite obvious the person in the video is not me. I do not condone such behavior and I think assault is a serious crime. Anyone who engages in assault should be prosecuted to the maximum extent of the law (and I would only excuse self defense if proven). That was just assault.
Keep on slandering me. It might catch up with you later, Bob. Either show some proof, or stop posting. It’s obvious you aren’t getting the message.
Period.
If anyone disputes me on this fact, you are lying and engaging in slander.
Giancarlo85
@Masc Pride: You happen to be one of the most mentally imbalanced, hateful people on here and your constant vicious attacks on feminine gay men almost borderline on violent. You’re just like the guy in the video but you probably wear a wifebeater and ugly basketball shorts.
I strongly urge Queerty bans Bob and Mask Pride. These two are incredibly violent and condone violent behavior.
Giancarlo85
@Bob LaBlah: Oh and one other thing, NEVER THREATEN ME AGAIN. Do not force me to pursue legal means. I am someone who has never once laid a hand on anyone else and my record is clean.
This is the one and only warning I will give.
CWM85
Giancarlo get a job and stop picking argument with several people. You do this every post I read. Why does no one like you? Why are you so angry and constantly attack people. You are just a nasty queen and is that you on the video? I thought you were black… then you said you were trans. Then you said you were genderqueer whatever the hell that is… it seems you are just confused as to what you are. I personally think from all of the vile post you need serious mental health help and banned from here. Btw stop attacking me. Stop it. You are warned too.
Giancarlo85
@CWM85: Why don’t you?
BTW, it is Veteran’s day. HOLIDAY 🙂
You are the one that is incredibly angry. One can look at the way you attacked me.
I just SAID I am not that person in the video. You horrible human being. I don’t need to define who I am, certainly not to someone as nasty and misguided as you. You are the one that needs to be banned immediately.
CWM85
Happy veterans day. My Dad served and my uncle. Thanks all for service. Now back to you Giancarlo. You know what I’m done for now lol. You stop attacking me and I will to you… just stop attacking people simply because don’t they see things ya way. Wtf are you 12, that immature? You are lucky you have not been blacklisted by now…
Masc Pride
@CWM85: I thought he was black too, just by the way he brings race into everything and frequently trashes gay white men (even though he’s on this site using an Italian screen name). He seems a bit “lower income” too. But I kind of believe Bob here because he’s included a lot of detail and that video shows the same demeanor that animal exhibits on this site all the time.
SeeingAll
@Masc Pride: Not black. I think he’s mestizo. Which means he has SOME white in him. Not sure. But I just wonder about that horrible kick to the face he(or his friend )did to that poor little queen. (Maybe he learned that rough stuff in Colombia).
Masc Pride
@SeeingAll: Oh yeah, he’s much different than I pictured. I pictured him more like that guy that exposed Kerry Rhodes years ago.
That was quite a merciless beating. That gay/trans person wasn’t even fighting back or posing any kind of physical threat. There was no reason for him to be so violent. And all at a pride event. We’ve all seen him constantly contradict himself, but this just takes it to a new level. This is better than an anti-gay politician getting caught on Grindr. lol
Bob LaBlah
@Giancarlo85: “Oh and one other thing, NEVER THREATEN ME AGAIN. Do not force me to pursue legal means. I am someone who has never once laid a hand on anyone else and my record is clean.
This is the one and only warning I will give.”
You stupid little gutter rat if your ass were as bad as YOU obvious think it is you would have already contacted your attorney who would have contacted me by now. I swear I don’t understand to save YOUR life why they let your pathetic ass continue to comment on this site. You hijacked every articled on Catie Mae Jenner only to turn around and denounce “it” once you figured out HE was a fraud and now you THREATEN me in plain public view of all readers who read your rant? You are not even worth my reporting you to immigration, but keep on with your shit bitch and I will reconsider. Imagine being deported just because you didnt know there is such a thing as “shut your goddamn mouth up”. What a disgusting little useless whore you are.
Giancarlo85
@CWM85: Fine. I will agree to disagree and no longer attack you. This is a day to honor the people who served this country. Blacklisted? Please. You ask me to not attack you, and you go ahead attack me? I’ll end this more maturely and say have a great day.
@Masc Pride: Giancarlo isn’t an “Italian screenname”. It’s a name that is also used in South America. I’ve already gone through this with you. Oh and that’s nice you like trashing people with less money. I take it you don’t like people who haven’t had the same inheritance and easy life you have had?
I have never physically attacked anyone. It’s funny how you are trying to ignore me yet are addressing me. You are an incredibly violent person yourself, mask pride. You really hate most gay men who are out.
@Bob LaBlah: And the venom continues. Keep digging yourself into the gutter.
Either produce the proof, or get out dirtbag.
I am a US Citizen. And you could be the subject of legal action if this continues.
Giancarlo85
@Bob LaBlah: If you want violent, look at the TONE of this post he made. This man really wants to hurt me. Give me a reason I shouldn’t go to the authorities right now and report this disgusting violent thug.
GET OUT AND GET OFF HERE, BOB. Nobody wants you on here! You are disgusting!
You disgust me to the core. You run contradictory to everyone the community stands for.
You unstable insane fool. Nobody wants you on here. So shut your own fucking mouth, you useless no good prick. What good have you ever served this country?
Giancarlo85
And you want hijacking? Look at you… you just post these nasty violent and predatory remarks to me. You want to hurt me badly. I get it. I threaten your entire existence simply I post here. May you rot in your own filth.
I didn’t hijack shit. I didn’t even commit in half of Jenner’s article. She is meaningless to me.
CWM85
Gian you said you off? I didn’t know taco bell was closed today?
CWM85
That wasn’t an attack but I can picture you working for 6.50 and hour at taco bell for about 4 hours a day, 3 days a week.
Giancarlo85
@CWM85: I said I would end this respectfully, and you still insult? First off, I don’t work in fast food… but that’s nice you don’t think highly of people who do. Unlike yourself, they work hard.
Enough is enough!
Bob LaBlah
@Giancarlo85: She WASN’T meaningless back then, you lying ass queen, and you know it. Now turn that damn phone off and go back inside and help the cook.
Giancarlo85
@CWM85: Yep. It’s an attack. And nobody works for $6.50 an hour in the state of California (at least not legally).
I work for more like $16-17…
Keep attacking my background even though you say you’re not.
Giancarlo85
@Bob LaBlah: I don’t have anymore time nor do I have the desire to respond to a criminal degenerate like yourself. Have a nice day!
Bob LaBlah
@Giancarlo85: Before you flush yourself down the toilet tell us what it is you do for a living “this time”, “once again” or how ever you choose to see it so that we can ALL see you lie again. Go ahead. I DARE YOU to post the truth.
Giancarlo85
@Bob LaBlah: Dare me all you want. You are nothing more than a threatening hateful degenerate who probably was a Klan member at one point. You are full of lies. Everything you post is incoherent.
As I said, keep it up… bob. I really don’t have the energy to continue this BS.
CWM85
You can’t possibly make 16, 17 and hour. Welfare is not that much even in ultra liberal California. Oh your parents make that much. Gotcha.
Giancarlo85
@CWM85: I thought we were doing with the attacks? While I don’t work fulltime, I do typically work 30-35 hours a week for $16-$17. I’m trasferring to full time shortly. And no, it’s not welfare. That’s actually not common in this state. Now in your state of Kentucky, half of the state is on welfare. That’s a totally different story.
Wages are way higher in California than in republican states.
Giancarlo85
@Giancarlo85: *we were done with the attacks.
End the attacks. This is getting tiring.
Bob LaBlah
@Giancarlo85: “As I said, keep it up… bob. I really don’t have the energy to continue this BS.”
Since it is painfully obvious you are older than thirty (that video proves it) I can keep going because it is NOT child abuse, regardless of you childlike mentality. You have sense enough to refresh the page, offer NO proof of employment nor picture of that NOT being you. You seem to have backed off from your “legal” threat no surprisingly because you know damn well EVERYTHING you have said here and on other sites WILL come under scrutiny.
And lastly, you have NO MONEY to spare for retainer fees. With exception to the one in your head other lawyers will not take cases like these (outright bullshit in both reason and the person involved in its initiation) unless they get paid a fee, and in your case it MUST be paid up front. Even the legal aid clinic will always be out to lunch when a low life, partially eaten burrito like you calls back being too stupid they are not returning your calls.
Bitch, a house located in the most crack infested neighborhoods of Southeast Los Angeles, Compton, Watts or even East Los Angeles rents for no less than $1700 per month. And I am talking about the ones who security gates and bars have been stolen or are hanging off the side of the house. That lie you posted in regards to how much that cleaning agency you are lucky to get a once every two months call from is not enough to allow for a lease to be drawn up. And everyone knows that after that beating of that poor kid you can not be relied upon ( for safety reasons for all who live there) to behave yourself in a humanly manner to have roommates. Hence, the SRO.
You are a pathetic, smelly panty wearing whore and you know it.
Giancarlo85
*yawn*
I have a roommate. This is getting very boring.
He’s still spewing out endless flows of vomit. And who says I’m renting a house? He hasn’t ever lived in LA, so he knows nothing about it. But the endless flow of vomit continues… diarrhea from the mouth is a serious disease.
Giancarlo85
And now this loon wants me to post pictures and proof of employment on here.
What else should I post? My credit card number with expiration date and my social security number too? What do you think I am? As stupid as you?
This clown thinks it costs $1,700 to live in Watts or East LA. Stupidity comes in various forms.
No, the threat of legal action is not backed away from. I suggest you cease and desist immediately.
I am 30, and the video proves absolutely nothing. The video is something from your little imagination. It’s all a figment of your imagination. You are a mentally deranged ex-con. We all know it.
Giancarlo85
By the way, some have seen my photo on here and that debunks this stupid video and stupid fantasy you have. Now… go… run along. You’ve been totally embarrassed here.
CWM85
Gianacarlo is full of lies and delusions. All you’ve said is full of lies. He is an illegal immigrant, who lives off welfare… and a town of illegal immigrants. I have seen pics of you… you looked black. You have stated you are black.. you have stated what work you do. No proof of work. Just a bunch of lies from you and attacks at other’s you envy on thisnsite…
Giancarlo85
@CWM85: Well to hell with you then, you are a useless republican slut who sucks dick in local gloryholes and lives off your daddy’s inheritance money. I’ve offered to end this nicely with you, but you persist with the stupid lies. You and Bob are nothing more than parasites and you offer nothing to this country. I am a US Citizen. You, however, are a nobody.
Why do I have to provide “proof of work”? Why don’t you? Oh and that doesn’t include being a stupid fucking republican who does nothing all day but infest websites. Get a life. You’re on here every day of the week. You don’t have a job.
Bob LaBlah
“What else should I post? My credit card number with expiration date and my social security number too? What do you think I am? As stupid as you?his clown thinks it costs $1,700 to live in
Watts or East LA. Stupidity comes in various forms.”
You have to be LEGAL to qualify for section 8, so how would you know? I am not shocked you didnt list how much it does cost. Answer me this; while standing in a face to face situation like this (such as while inside the Arena before you got banned from there) how many times have you been punched in the face by the “Rebecca of Sunnybrook Farm” types who TOO had finally heard enough of your slobbering, ol’ falling-down-just-pissy-ass drunk rhetoric?
“You are a mentally deranged ex-con.”
Thank you for the incentive to keep on replying. Give me more so I can make my case in front of Judge Pepe over on CourtTV (Latin). We’ll see who sues who for slander and win. If I can remember that vid guess what ELSE is going to come up. Cis-gender your ass.
Giancarlo85
Oh and if you’re looking to reply, fine. I am done with this shit. You two are nothing more than useless zombies. You repeat the same thing over and over again and replying to you is more futile than trying to scrub old diarrhea off the bathroom floor from an IHOP (which I’m sure you two have experience doing).
Continue being useless. That’s all you’ve been for this country. You don’t contribute a damn thing, while the rest of us pay taxes and work for a living.
Giancarlo85
@Bob LaBlah: *yawn*
And the endless flow of diarrhea from the mouth continues. More lies about a city he doesn’t know shit about. This stupid criminal can’t even vote. Ex-cons can’t vote.
Giancarlo85
And what is with this “CIS-GENDER” nonsense. CIS MALES ARE BIOLOGICAL MALES. Can anyone explain that to this unstable convicted felon?
*face palm*
This is an embarrassing.
Bob LaBlah
@Giancarlo85: It’s also time for an update for those just joining:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L1wZqI7zyag
CWM85
For the record I live in Maryland. The highest median economical state in the country. You live in the culturally ignorant and poorly educated area of California.
Bob LaBlah
@Giancarlo85: “replying to you is more futile than trying to scrub old diarrhea off the bathroom floor from an IHOP”
Lord, is the evidence that I was right just MOUNTING.
Giancarlo85
@CWM85: No you don’t.
And even if you did, Baltimore is one of the most dangerous, impoverished cities in the country right now.
Baltimore… http://www.attn.com/stories/1541/baltimore-poverty-facts
Yeah… no thanks. California is better off and more powerful than Maryland.
Giancarlo85
@Bob LaBlah: Evidence that you’re embarrassing?
http://dailygabblog.files.wordpress.com/2014/02/c71dc-47-stupid-you-are-yoda-meme.jpg
CWM85
Giancarlo go get checked out at the std clinic… you have barebacked too much… glory holes sound more like you since no one would be caught dead with your queen, limp… dirty ass… all you want is hand outs. No one you want sanders and hilarity so much… you just want more free stuff! You are an illegal…
Giancarlo85
http://s2.quickmeme.com/img/70/70442e8bb546c8e4350b22ba88818a16339f4fae2f9ad6a17cde7a2ba5775806.jpg – This is how I feel about this whole interaction.
I don’t even know why I entertain this garbage.
@CWM85: I’ve never barebacked at all. Nice try though. You are so embarrassing. And no, I don’t ask for free stuff. Free stuff flows into your state of Kentucky though. Your Congressmen love free federal hand-outs.
Giancarlo85
@CWM85: And if you were so well off, why are you on here at all hours of the day commenting?
Anyways, I’m off. Have fun replying amongst yourselves. Remember the tissues for the circle jerk session.
I’ll have to pass. I don’t want herpes.
CWM85
You do bareback. And let all of them johns have their way with you. My tax dollars are paying for that not just your cardboard box you live in… and stamps, check…phone… what more do you want. You good at attacking why won’t you become blogger or something and post your negative, nasty vile shit there…
CWM85
You know they pump your stomach every night after you hit the streets Giancarlo…
SeeingAll
@Giancarlo85: And don’t get mad at me. I’m not even taking sides. I have a right to my opinion…that you stomping that little queen when she was down was over the line. That’s all.
Bob LaBlah
@CMW85……..some thing is looking suspicious about his latest posts. No misspelled words nor punctuation. From some one we all know is an illiterate dummy that looks too suspicious. I don’t think that is him and those might be virus loaded links being posted.
There is another commenter on here on Queerty who for some reason gets noticeably absent when these “back and forth” situations begin with this little fool. He seems to get offend when this little shit gets put in his place. I noticed it months ago when things started heating up and he was obviously getting lost in what to say next. All of a sudden his comments start getting crystal clear, as though some one else starts claiming to be him.
Click on those links at your own peril is what I am cautioning you and others about.
Masc Pride
Wow, that thing is still getting owned left and right. Video links, welfare, Taco Bell, $16/hr? Ouch! lol
Masc Pride
@Bob LaBlah: I was thinking the same thing about possible viruses. He’s clearly getting frustrated, and we know he’s vindictive. We’ve already seen he’s not above kicking a defenseless drag queen in the head, so who knows far he’ll go.
Bob LaBlah
@SeeingAll: @Masc Pride….doesn’t that face remind you of a present day scene right out of the movie “Apocalypto” ? And look at her legs and the sores all over them.
Bob LaBlah
@Masc Pride……I sure wish we knew each other and lived in the same town. I am on my way to happy hour and would have loved to have met you there to have a few laughs about whose “link” we’ve noticed, compared, and gets awarded the most “Full of Shit” prize.
As you can see from the silence, I was right, wasn’t I?
CWM85
Carlo is a tyrant, a miserable looking and acting queen and the reason I started going in on him or her or it is because I was attacked for not being liberal enough and laying out facts that show democrats are losing and losing badly nationwide. Not in California but swing states and other states including in northeast. So he started his attacks and II fought back. I notice he is always attacking someone. Like we have a right to free speech. Wtf? So what if you don’t like what I said or how I said it, I have a right to comment like Carlo. And saying people who aren’t liberal should be banned here? Really? How fucking nuts and ridiculous? Wtf is this thing? Lol
Giancarlo85
@CWM85: I have a long history of saying no to bareback sex. Stop trying to misconstrue where I stand on things. It’s quite annoying.
Here is a deal… I’ll stop misstating where you stand on issues, if you do the same thing for me.
@CWM85: Except you never showed that. Sorry.
And there is NO freedom of speech on a private website. No shoes, no service (well it’s kinda the same thing). Yes, anyone who runs contrary to the progressive message of this site should be removed.
Giancarlo85
@SeeingAll: No. You really don’t have a right to your opinion. You posting here is a privilege. I believe anyone who is not left leaning or left wing should be removed. That runs contrary to our community, equality and opportunity.
I never assaulted anyone. My record is clean. But people believe Bob McBigMac, who is a dangerous ex-con with a shady history.
@Bob LaBlah: I normally don’t make any spelling or grammatical errors, but one can only look at your posts.
I am not on here to right (LOL INTENTIONAL!) an ENGLISH essay!
So I am wondering… how difficult is it finding work with your criminal history? It’s a serious question, Mister Blah.
Giancarlo85
Here is a challenge: Prove your claims about me. If you think I’m someone in a video, show some evidence backing up your assertion.
Your words don’t count.
I don’t have to disprove anything. Do I need to disprove the existence of flying unicorns? I didn’t think so. Prove your claims or stop making them.
I have never assaulted another person in my life. I have never engaged in risky or unprotected sex. I have a good paying job and I pay for an apartment (not a house). I pay my dues and my taxes as a United States citizen.
The truth is Bob made it all up and some are eating the bullshit like some at a cheap Chinese buffet. Bob made it all up. And if I made a post on this site posting that youtube video, please show it to us. Look it up. It’s not hard.
Masc Pride
@Bob LaBlah: Dude, you are “The Man” for exposing that nut. Thank you for sharing that link and confirming what many of us already suspected about that bitter bitch.
@CWM85: “Carlo is a tyrant, a miserable looking and acting queen…”
And now we have video proof of that! lol
Giancarlo85
Funny how MUSK pride pretends not to reply to me and is pretending to ignore me. What a psycho… delusions of grandeur. MASK Turd must be bitter about living in the closet every single day of his sad pathetic life.
The video isn’t proof shit.
Come on, PROVE IT. Show some proof. Bob’s big mouth isn’t proof…
Giancarlo85
It is hilarious how these nutcases will believe anything Bob posts. Even some stupid video that clearly isn’t me.
But then again, creationists exist. People don’t have much mental power and will believe whatever stupid shit they see.
CWM85
Gian you went to ya job at taco smell? Told you 4 hours a day, 3 times a week for 6.50. And you were gone for like 4 hours. I was right! How many burritos you make today girl?
Bob LaBlah
@Masc Pride……..your welcome, hon. And heres an update for those who haven’t seen it yet.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L1wZqI7zyag
Giancarlo85
@CWM85: How does it feel to not work for anything in your life? I don’t work 4 hours a day. More like 6-7 hours a day for $16-$17 an hour. And that is changing real soon… I basically tripled my income ($3,500-$4,000 a month) and will be a salaried employee (different company).
You’re a bad liar. Time to get off daddy’s inheritance.
Giancarlo85
Bob McBlah:
http://deadstate.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/deadstate-pat-robertson-.jpg
Damn… I just figured out that Pat Robertson posts on this site… Bob is Pat. Robertson – Bob… yikes. He thought he was being slick by using the short form of his last name.
That was slick. Unbelievable. I can’t believe that old man has nothing better to do. This is conclusive. This explains all the senile anti-immigrant homophobic rants.
SeeingAll
@Giancarlo85: Okay, I disagree with all that, but….Still if you’re from Colombia, what were you doing beating up that queen at the Mexico event ?? Did you stopover in Mexico on the way to the U.S. ? Or did you have to leave Mexico to avoid arrest ? Understandable if so, and I’m just curious..
SeeingAll
@Bob LaBlah: What do you think makes them fight in such a nasty way ? The hormones they pop gets them all….on edge or something ? (I guess it’s a lot of stuff combined).
Giancarlo85
@SeeingAll: I never beat anyone up as that isn’t me. That is a lie. That isn’t me in the video. End of story. What are you smoking that makes you so stupid? You might want to get a refund… it’s probably laced.
Stop believing Pat Robertson (Bob McBlah).
Giancarlo85
Oh and disagree all you want. Please disagree until you blow smoke out of your ass… you can disagree with the sky being blue and grass being green. You can disagree with the fact that you have a 2 inch dick. This doesn’t change reality.
Maybe you should be curious about why you’re so stupid.
I never assaulted anyone, nor is that me. So if you’re going to “disagree with me”, prove it or shut up.
This is a private website. You don’t have freedom of speech.
Bob LaBlah
@SeeingAll: That poor, innocent, defenseless and obvious friendless child could no longer buy that ol’ drunken whore any more drinks so Madame Drunk Ass decided to just start beating the child. The poor child tried breaking her fall as she fell back and grabbed hold of ol’ Stinky Panties very whorish looking dress and it ripped (not surprised there considering it came off of the rack at Targets). I tell you isn’t she one ugly, in and out of jail looking queen? Have you EVER pictured a queen who looks just as bad as you pictured she stinks?
Oh no? Well look again.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L1wZqI7zyag
Bob LaBlah
@SeeingAll: I am serious when I say this; please be careful clicking on ANY links he posts that don’t look mainstream. All bullshit aside I would not be surprised if he is leading you and others to sites that are loaded with viruses. Don’t think for one iota of a second he WOULDN’T do a thing like that. I bet he would.
If anyone has clicked on a suspicious link he posted clear your cookies and run your anti-virus software. You never know how valuable your computer/cellphone is until you ain’t got its use anymore at a time when you need it. Be warned and careful.
SeeingAll
@Giancarlo85: Well, I really doubt Bob LaBlah is really Pat Robertson. You were saying I was a member of ISIL forever, too.
AndYouWillDeal
How about we stop pretending we even like each other and watch out for our own asses? We all know gays and lesbians don’t get along, and nobody really takes bisexuals seriously, and T try to bully everybody who disagrees with their argument they can’t even seem to be able to decide on if theirs is a natural condition or a psychological illness.
1EqualityUSA
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After this cluster-fight, they may not even want to be part of our community. Run, Lola, run. I’m all for free speech, but this display was reprehensible. Who needs the Tedious Right to do us damage when we have ourselves?
Giancarlo85
The links I have posted aren’t viruses. The idiot has a big mouth and doesn’t know the meaning of proof.
Bob has failed miserably. Now I know he has nothing. Thanks for failing that challenge. I guess Bob takes inspiration from the republican party. He loves being a total failure. His whole life has been about failure and misery. His own family probably refuses to even talk to him.
Giancarlo85
When I ask for proof, that means providing actual evidence. Now I know you are full of shit, Pat/Bob. I guess you can’t help yourself. You are a total idiot who loves repeating himself like a broken record. We found ourselves a total failure at life. Decades of doing absolutely nothing and now he regrets losing all his youth. The old prune as expected doesn’t like me.
I guess I highlighted how awful and miserable his life really is.
ButtStuff
I can honestly say that this is the worst thing, I have ever seen on the Internet.
@Giancarlo85: You desperately need to take a long hard look at yourself. You need professional help, in a very real way.
Bob LaBlah
@Giancarlo85: “Now I know he has nothing”
Oh really?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L1wZqI7zyag
RobvR
@Giancarlo85: Sorry, I honestly coudn’t care less. Land of the free… as long long as you don’t utter your opnion the wrong way?! Considering the fact that there’s already another discussion in my home country each year during this time of year I prefer not following any opinionsite whatsoever. It’s just no good to my adrenaline level. I prefer to enter 2016 in a zen mode 😉 Even if I often don’t even agreed to you. But without opponents what’s left left to discuss? Enjoy!
CWM85
Giancarlo stfu already… just shut up…you have been humiliated enough, expose for the piece of nasty, queen trash you are… you slam free speech, want to ban things you don’t like said… you attack those who you don’t agree with. You’re just a brainwashed troll. You are no better than those anti gay religious fanatics that queerty post about everyday. You are just the opposite of their message. Same tactics, same goal. Fuck off…
Giancarlo85
@RobvR: Private website. No shoes, no service applies here. There shouldn’t be any idiots like CWM even allowed to post. He should be immediately banned. There is NO freedom of speech on a PRIVATE WEBSITE. The clownboy thinks this site is covered under the Constitution.
There is nothing here. Run along people. Bob is depraved and a lunatic. But go ahead… believe an convicted felon and con-artist.
@CWM85: YOU seriously fuck off and sew your fucking hands together to your dick. Better yet, go jerk off with super glue (remember American Pie?). I am so sick and tired of reading your stupid recycled garbage. Every other post says the same exact thing.
Private website. “Free speech” DOES NOT apply here.
CWM85
Giancarlo needs to be banned.. his hateful, raving, lunatic who acts like he’s a dictator On this site. Stop the madness. Stop the attacks. I’m stopping. Just don’t attack me no more. Please. I have a right to my opinion such as yours but it doesn’t mean I should be attacked. Goodbye!
Giancarlo85
Total snoozefest. CWM is now repeating what he said three days ago. He’s run out of material.
I’ve already offered to stop the attacks. But no, you MUST continue them. You refused my offer.
And no.. you don’t have a “right” to anything on here. You posting here is a privilege.
philatonian
This petition is crudely heartless, but personally I never understood why the T was still in LGBT. I understand the historical context of the community and why we banded together at one time. But plenty of transgender individuals, as well as LGB ones, have proven that we don’t share a wide enough range of political opinions to remain under one tent in 2015.
I don’t think that’s a callous assessment, just the opposite, in fact. And I think the vantage point of this petition expresses the wrong angle for why both sexual orientation and gender identity deserve their own unique platforms. If anything, this combination does a disservice to the transgender community in that they have taken a backseat to the more socially accepted LGBs.
Groups like GLAAD and the HRC can continue to support the transgender community even if they establish a proprietary platform, much the way many liberal lobby groups support each other. But I think the transgender community could be more successful by isolating their own unique causes, challenges, and fights from their own podium.
As a gay man, I’m obvious supportive of transgender rights, as I am ethnic and religious minorities. But like ethnic and religious minorities, I don’t share the same specific prejudices and discriminations and will never personally understand what a transgender person deals with the way I understand my fellow LGBs.
It’s possible for us to be an empathetic LGB community without leading the transgender fight for them by affixing a letter to the end of our acronym. There seems to be as much knee-jerk hatred for the trans community as there is blind support on this thread. Step back and look at it objectively. Why wouldn’t both communities want to put ourselves in the best position possible for both of our futures?