Boy, when the claws come out among queer politicians they aim straight for the jugular. Following an interview in which Barney Frank blasted Log Cabin Republicans as “Uncle Toms,” the LCRs have taken out their weaves, flicked off their nails and are ready to throw down.
At the Democratic National Convention, Frank spoke with the Huffington Post and he had a few choice words for the Log Cabinites:
“Frankly I’ve been appalled to see the Log Cabin club, in the face of this worse and worse record on public policy by Republicans on our issues,” Frank said. “Mr. Cooper [LCR executive director R. Clarke Cooper] said, ‘Well at least they’re not saying bad things about us.’ That’s just extraordinary. Again, 30 years ago when we were emerging from the vice of prejudice, I understood that. But no, we shouldn’t be accepting a kind of second class citizenship, [and saying], ‘You can treat us badly as long you don’t yell at us.’
“They’re accepted on [the GOP’s] terms,” he continued. “They’re willing to be accepted with no rights — no right to marry, no right to serve in the military, no right to be protected against hate crimes, no right to be protected in employment. I’ll be honest: For 20 years now I’ve heard how the Log Cabins are going to make Republicans better, but they’ve only gotten worse. I now understand why they call themselves Log Cabin: their role model is Uncle Tom.”
That’s basically the political equivalent of a drive-by bitch-slapping. Well, Cooper wasn’t going to take that lying down so he put on his reading glasses and attempted to tear Frank a new one in a press release defending LCR’s record on “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell,” the Employee Non-Discrimination Act and marriage equality:
“As far as Log Cabin Republicans are concerned, it’s a badge of honor to be attacked by a partisan hack like Barney Frank. We understand that Barney has earned his protected place within the Democrat Party by being their attack dog on gay rights issues, demonizing Republicans and undermining efforts at bipartisanship that would actually improve LGBT Americans lives. We expect this kind of bile from Barney, especially when it plays into the Obama campaign’s efforts to divide, distract and deceive the American people.
“Frank calls us ‘Uncle Toms’ and pretends that Log Cabin hasn’t been on the front lines of the fight for equality. The truth is, by speaking conservative to conservative about gay rights, Log Cabin Republicans are doing some of the hardest work in the movement, work that liberals like Barney are unwilling to do and couldn’t do if they tried.”
Cooper points out that the recall of “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell” was facilitated by Republican Senator Susan Collins, that Democrats held up the passing of ENDA by “dismissing the support of conservatives like Congressman Paul Ryan,” and that Log Cabin was responsible for getting Congresswoman Ileana Ros-Lehtinen to be the first Republican to sign on to the repeal of DOMA, thus helping to pass gay marriage in New York’s GOP-led state senate.
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Cooper then finishes off his diatribe with a warm and fuzzy conclusion about inclusiveness:
“It has not been the Republican National Committee trying to silence Log Cabin – our voice is indeed welcome within our party, and while we may not win every debate, we are secure in our place at the table. Gay liberals like Barney, however, are trying to silence us, calling us names and ganging up like schoolyard bullies. It doesn’t matter. While Barney bashes his fellow LGBT Americans, we’ll continue our work building a stronger, more inclusive GOP – and someday soon, we’ll win, because inclusion always wins.”
Meanwhile, no one’s going to win from all of this petty name-calling bull since it does nothing to help either party or the LGBT community. If Frank and Cooper — and Democrats and Republicans in general — spent half as much time trying to work together rather than throwing shade at each other, maybe this country could actually pull its act together. So till that hypothetical day, if you kids can’t say anything nice…put it in a press release.
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orcanyc
Frank is right LCR’s should be ashamed of themselves.
tdx3fan
I think Cooper honestly believes what he is saying. The shit that goes through that man’s head must be very, very scary.
tdx3fan
Funny how LRC conveniently omits the fact that the Republicans that voted for gay rights (the few times they actually did) were from very progressive areas and were put into office by middle of the road voters that also believed in gay rights. Its also astounding how they omit the part where they have personally been responsible for the exit from office of some very pro-gay politicians.
Cam
A few facts about Log Cabin and gay rights.
They endorsed the OPPONENT of Rep Patrick Murphy, the Congressman who INTRODUCED the DADT repeal. Additionally, they cheered when he was defeated. Even if they liked his opponent better for other reasons, cheering the defeat of the Iraq War Vet who introduced the bill that allowed LGBT’s to openly serve in the military is disgusting.
Clark Cooper claims to be a combat vet when he was actually an aid stationed in the safe zone in Iraq. Technically the military will class him as a combat vet because Iraq is a comabat area and he happened to draw a paycheck while he was there, but he has never been in a combat situation.
Log cabin has tried to hide the anti-gay activities of the GOP, not open the GOP up, but cover for them. They claimed in the last presidential election that John McCain was NOT opposed to gays adopting because he did not vote for an AZ state bill to outlaw gays from adopting………….They left out the part that since McCain isn’t in the AZ STATE house he COULDN’T vote on that bill, they also left out the fact that McCain appeared in TWO commercials supporting the bill. Log Cabin is full of people with govt. experience, they would not make a mistake about that. They knew exactly that they were lying to hide the anti-gay policies so they could trick gays into voting for a party that hates them.
10 or so years ago, the FORMER Log Cabin head, Patrick Guarino refused to endorse Bush. He said that Log Cabin supports the republican ideals but could not endorse a candidate that was running an anti-gay campaign. Clark Cooper has been taken to task multiple times for endorsing anti-gay candidates over candidates that are friendly to gays.
Lastly, Clark Cooper went on TV to attack Obama for coming out in favor of gay marriage.
Log Cabin has become an anti-gay group.
tdx3fan
@Cam: An anti-gay group led by a self-hating homosexual. That does not seem all that different then all the other anti-gay groups.
Cam
@tdx3fan:
tdx, you and I dissagree on here on other things, but I completely agree with you on this! You nailed it!
BJ McFrisky
So, according to the Liberal Mafia, gay Republicans are an oxymoron. As are black Republicans. And female Republicans. And hispanic Republicans, and Native American Republicans, and Jewish Republicans, and Asian Republicans, etc etc. But if that’s the case, then why isn’t the Republican party comprised solely of heterosexual white men? What’s with all of those black and brown and feminine faces at the RNC? The answer is, contrary to what your circles of progressive friends have told you, because Republicans are NOT anti-gay, -black, -female, -hispanic, -native American, -Jewish, -Asian, etc etc. (For a good dose of rabid anti-Semitism, check out the Democratic convention where they booed the inclusion of “Jerusalem” to their own platform a couple days ago). What you perceive as treason to your cause is only that: perception, not reality. Log Cabin has successfully presented us to others who would normally have refused an introduction—why do you see that as an anti-gay group? Why do you believe this group is hurting us?
sejhammer
Paul Ryan said he would only support ENDA if they removed the trans language!
Cam
@BJ McFrisky:
A typical long comment from a Log Cabiner with the sole intention of deflecting from the topic. Complete with the victimology of the right wing. “Booo Hooo, you don’t agree with us we are victims and you are racists.
BJ, you said….”
Log Cabin has successfully presented us to others who would normally have refused an introduction—why do you see that as an anti-gay group? Why do you believe this group is hurting us?” Funny, just two posts up I already gave you a list. I guess you were hoping that nobody would notice.
Log Cabin attacked Obama for coming out in favor of gay marriage.
Log Cabin lied about McCain supporting gay adoption when he had appeared in ads against it.
Log Cabin supported a non gay friendly candidate over the candidate who introduced the DADT repeal.
Log Cabin has attacked the President for Signing the DADT repeal.
Gee, they’ve attacked anything gay rights related that has been done by our govt. in the last four years. THAT is how they are hurting us. But you already knew that and were jsut hoping to deflect the conversation.
Cam
@BJ McFrisky:
A typical long comment from a Log Cabiner with the sole intention of deflecting from the topic. Complete with the victimology of the right wing. “Booo Hooo, you don’t agree with us we are victims and you are rac ists.
BJ, you said….”
Log Cabin has successfully presented us to others who would normally have refused an introduction—why do you see that as an anti-gay group? Why do you believe this group is hurting us?”
Funny, just three posts up I already gave you a list. I guess you were hoping that nobody would notice.
Log Cabin attacked Obama for coming out in favor of gay marriage.
Log Cabin lied about McCain supporting gay adoption when he had appeared in ads against it.
Log Cabin supported a non gay friendly candidate over the candidate who introduced the DADT repeal.
Log Cabin has attacked the President for Signing the DADT repeal.
Gee, they’ve attacked anything gay rights related that has been done by our govt. in the last four years. THAT is how they are hurting us. But you already knew that and were jsut hoping to deflect the conversation.
Full story here: http://www.queerty.com/barney-frank-v-log-cabin-republicans-20120907/#ixzz25ojSCJAB
LubbockGayMale
Way to go Barney! We shall miss you in the Congress.
tdx3fan
@BJ McFrisky: Not an oxymoron, just so filled with self-hate that it is no wonder they feel the need to take it out on everyone other than themselves.
black Republicans
-voting for the party of the KKK, voting for the party that wants to destroy Affirmative Action, voting for the party that believes that every black man must not have earned his role, voting for the party that wants to keep the status quot…
female Republicans
-voting for the party that wants to control what you do with your body, voting for the party that wants to deny you access to contraceptives EVEN if you NEED them to treat various conditions, voting for the party that held a conference about your reproductive rights and banned you from the table
hispanic Republicans
–voting for the party that wants to shut down the borders and deport your friends and family members, voting for the party that wants to stop your children from obtaining higher education even though they were born in this country, voting for the party that believes ethnocentric inequalities are good because someone needs to push the mop
Native American Republicans
-voting for the party that champions Christianity and this nation being built on Christian principles…you know the same Christian principles that your ancestors were forced to adopt to or else were run through with a sword…if they did adopt them you just had their heads crushed with a mallot
Jewish Republicans
-voting for the party that does not recognize your religion and champions Christianity, voting for the party that still blames you for killing Jesus, voting for the party that wants to see apartheid come to your people’s homeland just so they can further some religious nutcase agenda
Asian Republicans
-voting for the party that is willing ship any jobs you could be doing to China where they exploit the labor of your people while paying them nothing and treating them like slaves
Not an oxymoron, just full of self-hatred. I had a conversation with one woman once who could not name a single bad thing she ever did, but she still said how evil she was and how she must repent and beg for forgiveness…for what, she could not say!
But if that’s the case, then why isn’t the Republican party comprised solely of heterosexual white men?
-the vast majority of it is, the next largest group is white women who honestly believe that their husbands are their masters and they must obey them, even Michelle Bachman, who for all of her faults is still a very accomplished woman believes that Marcus should control her life because Jesus commanded it.
contrary to what your circles of progressive friends have told you, because Republicans are NOT anti-gay, -black, -female, -hispanic, -native American, -Jewish, -Asian, etc etc.
-You got us here. I mean, why would you ever get an idea like that when it just becomes more and more obvious every day that Republicans want to make laws to destroy minorities. Why would you ever get the idea that they are against the minorities they are trying to destroy.
(For a good dose of rabid anti-Semitism, check out the Democratic convention where they booed the inclusion of “Jerusalem” to their own platform a couple days ago).
-Which has NOTHING to do with antisemitism and everything to do with most Democrats wanting to avoid apartheid in Jerusalem simply because its led by Christian zealots.
Log Cabin has successfully presented us to others who would normally have refused an introduction—why do you see that as an anti-gay group? Why do you believe this group is hurting us?
-Perhaps because they are throwing us under the bus. They are not representing us in a positive light, they are not fighting for our rights. They have done nothing to help us. The only semi-achievement they can claim is that they filed a legal case against DADT after there was already three or so already filed and after Obama said that DADT was coming down. They were covering their own asses.
Why are you so blind that you can not clearly see the truth? How have you become so deluded by your own greed (you MIGHT benefit financially under the Republican party) that you are willing to deny the human rights of most of humanity in this country just to get a few more dollars in your pocket?
Ken
I have a relative who is delusional and hard to deal with. I asked a mental-health expert about it, and he said it’s the same problem they have with people in the psychiatric ward; how to talk with them without getting tangled up in their delusion. The technique is to let it go over your head. The paranoid person says, “The CIA has put an implant in my brain to monitor my actions,” and you respond, “That must be very hard for you.”
Let’s apply the expert’s advice to Republicans. If a Republican says, “We don’t hate gay people, we just want to love all their rights away.” We say, “You must feel very misunderstood.” When a Log Cabin Republican says, “The Log Cabin has advanced the gay community,” you just say, “How nice of you. I’m sure we’ll all be grateful,” and go about your business. Hey, who knows? They might be accidentally succeed. Meanwhile, it’s pointless to get into a battle of wits with someone who is only half equipped.
It’s unlikely that Romney will win, but Washington airports have to be prepared anyway. If he’s president, Air Force One will land in a spiral, because it won’t have a left wing.
Ken
I have a relative who is delusional and hard to deal with. I asked a mental-health expert about it, and he said it’s the same problem they have with people in the psychiatric ward; how to talk with them without getting tangled up in their delusion. The technique is to let it go over your head. The paranoid person says, “The CIA has put an implant in my brain to monitor my actions,” and you respond, “That must be very hard for you.”
Let’s apply the expert’s advice to Republicans. If a Republican says, “We don’t hate gay people, we just want to love all their rights away.” We say, “You must feel very misunderstood.” When a Log Cabin Republican says, “The Log Cabin has advanced the gay community,” you just say, “How nice of you. I’m sure we’ll all be grateful,” and go about your business. Hey, who knows? They might accidentally succeed. Meanwhile, it’s pointless to get into a battle of wits with someone who is only half equipped.
It’s unlikely that Romney will win, but Washington airports have to be prepared anyway. If he’s president, Air Force One will land in a spiral, because it won’t have a left wing.
BJ McFrisky
@Cam: I like how you try to deflect my point by accusing me of deflecting from the topic. In actuality, I don’t care for LCR or their platform (I’m more of a GOProuder), I just find it funny that you and yours get so worked up about it. Whatever happened to the liberal meme of “Live and let live”?
Cam
@tdx3fan:
Well said! Also, you said ”
The only semi-achievement they can claim is that they filed a legal case against DADT after there was already three or so already filed and after Obama said that DADT was coming down. They were covering their own asses”
Don’t forget also, that the lawsuit was filed by a FORMER head of Log Cabin YEARS ago. PAtrick Guarino, he was also the Log Cabin head who refused to endorse Bush. He had some integrity. Trust me, if Cooper had been in charge then they would have NEVER filed the suit.
Cam
@BJ McFrisky: said…
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@Cam: I like how you try to deflect my point by accusing me of deflecting from the topic. In actuality, I don’t care for LCR or their platform (I’m more of a GOProuder), I just find it funny that you and yours get so worked up about it. Whatever happened to the liberal meme of “Live and let live”?”
_______________
Another attempt to deflect. I completely answered your comment, I pointed out EXACTLY how this group is harming us. You couldn’t disagree so you again try to post a deflection. As for GOProud. Funny, they claim to be a gay group yet the majority of their board is hetrosexual.
But if you would like to come back and try to dispute any of the points that the rest of us have made, feel free. IF you can’t do that please don’t think that your attempts to misdirect the conversation aren’t obvious as hell.
Cam
@Ken:
Pure asesomeness in your post. lol
BJ McFrisky
@tdx3fan: Holy paranoia, TDX3FAN, you’ve officially gone over the edge with your excruciatingly long rant. I didn’t finish it because I was concerned that your toxicity would rub off on me (it’s apparently catching in these parts), but from what I did read, all you’re doing is parroting liberal talking points. You might as well be on Obama’s reelection team for all of your originality.
Ken
@BJ McFrisky:
There are murderers, thieves, and rapists in our society, and we do indeed have a “live and let live” policy toward them, but for public safety, we let them live in prisons. Republicans are far less dangerous, but “live and let live” applies to them as well. We let them live, but for our own well-being, only outside political office.
After all, if Republicans say we have all the rights of citizenship, except for most of them, then barring them from political office is peanuts compared to what they want to do to us.
Ken
The Republicans support an amendment to the constitution that bans gay marriage. Imagine the amendment passes. After that, the secretary of state visits the leader of a repressive dictatorship, and criticizes him on human rights. Mind you, every dictator thinks his country is free and that his citizens love him.
The dictator, even though he agrees with the amendment, will say, “All my citizens are the same before the law, but you represent the only country in the world whose constitution specifies two classes of citizens with different rights. YOU want to teach ME about equality under the law?”
What can the secretary of state say? The dictator has a point.
BJ McFrisky
@Ken: You sound like an intelligent guy, Ken, but we have to agree to disagree. There’s a mindset here on Queerty that positions Republicans as being, quite literally, evil and murderous, which is absurd. My personal experience is that my fellow conservatives (and Libertarians) are much more compassionate toward my being gay than my liberal friends are toward my being conservative. That, to me, speaks volumes.
the other Greg
@BJ McFrisky: Why are they “compassionate” toward you for being gay? Sounds like they (and maybe you) regard being gay as some sort of pathetic disability.
the other Greg
@BJ McFrisky: And after they’re done being condescending, I mean “compassionate” toward you for being gay, they go and vote against your rights? (Well, maybe not Libertarians and their 1/2 of 1% of the vote.) So who cares how polite they are at a purely personal level?
Neo
@the other Greg: He has a disability already being a middle class republican, BJ is a paid troller based in the Carolina’s.
Patsy Stoned
The Log Cabin crew has done nothing to make Republicans less anti-gay – the party has only become more anti-gay under the watch of the Cabinettes. Frank is completely right on that point. So Log Cabin was happy to be invited to the “grown-up” table during the crafting of the GOP platform, and they were completely ineffective in toning down any of the harsh anti-gay rhetoric and tone of the platform. This (along with Cam’s excellent examples) was completely ignored by the GOProud Marys and Cabinette quislings who run around on gay blogs trying to talk up empty suit flip flopping Romney and lying Ryan.
R Cooper Quisling has as much integrity as his head has hair.
Cam
@BJ McFrisky:
I notice that you don’t respond to any of the specific facts people have pointed out. Merely just jab or deflect.
Thank you for proving our point.
BJ McFrisky
@Neo: There you go again with your paranoid fantasies, that I’m a “troller” paid by the Right to harrass you, and—here’s the wacky part—you keep insisting I live in the Carolinas. You speak as though you’re thoroughly knowledgable in these statements, when in fact you’re wrong—actually, “wrong” isn’t the proper word . . . I think “lying” is more appropriate. Opinions, whatever they may be, are fine, but you’re just an angry liar who wants to project your weaknesses onto others.
@Cam: Had anyone posited an argument that was worthy of debate, I would have responded; as it is, you militant types are just full of anger and resentment and offer nothing to further the discussion but name-calling and “facts” that are purely made out of whole cloth. That’s why I won’t get dragged into a discussion with anyone who fabricates their own truths. Would you?
Dumdum
You girls are so cute with all of your labels and political claptrap.Conservative,liberal,Democrat,Republican.GOPlease!Patsy Stoned? Love that name girrl!!!BJ McFrisky? how lame is that!? What other labels do you keep in your closet?Armani? Target? TJ Max? WALMART? I am guessing The Mens Warehouse. Suits ties lots of tacky khaki and button down shirts.Liberals cruelty free pullover cotton shirts drawstring pants and Birkenstock.Well since everything is made in China now that rules out cruelty free.I normally try to avoid the politics cause I was there when Harvey Milk was murdered by a conservative homophobic ass.And though I have only lived on this planet for 52 years and lived in the Gay subculture for 39 of those years. Let me say this. Politicians are filthy,lying dirty bastards.They talk and talk and talk and say absolutely nothing.Given the opportunity we Queers would be marched off to concentration camps and the Gay Republicans would be there to hold open the oven doors and then follow us right in.I am not a liberal cause I do not want to give rapists murderers or pedophiles a slap on the wrist and a warm hug.However I would like it if my partner of 23 years was allowed to visit me if I lay dieing in a hospital or perhaps qualify for medical coverage as a spouse.We are not a couple of pampered Queers with disposable income in fact our garbage disposal broke and we cannot afford to fix the damned thing.Historically Politicians have made all kinds of promises and so far it is three steps forward then two steps back.One must choose the lesser evil in this instance it is Obama.Politicians LIE that is what they do!Or they are vague like flip flop Romney or Nazi Ryan.Can you smell that? That is the smell of desperation people!!!
John Doe
The vast majority of these posts show how divisive many Americans are to the core. Worse, it shows how many people REFUSE to look for even small ways to compromise with others, work with others OR have at least a half ounce of respect for others that they disagree with. Instead of treating others as humans, the automatically response is to simply attack like vicious snakes. These attackers simply throw stones and have no idea how to accomplish anything when faced with a person in front of them who believes differently. These people never left the playground. Childishness and immaturity running amuck.
tdx3fan
@BJ McFrisky: You mean the truth. I can’t be surprised you did not finish reading it. You “conservatives” always have a problem reading truth and facts. That explains a lot, really.
tdx3fan
@BJ McFrisky: Really!?! When is the last time that a gay person wanted to pass a constitutional amendment that kept you from marrying a conservative or create a law that kept you from serving in the military because you were conservative. When is the last time that a gay person wanted to fire you from your job because you were conservative? You really believe that conservatives treat you better while you are gay then gays treat you while you are conservative. Then answer all of these questions.
We do not find conservatives evil. We just do not understand why they want to deny us our basic human rights, and we fail even more to understand why one of our own supports their attempts to do just that.
Aidan8
To all the GOP-apologists and Log Cabiners…. read and re-read and re-read the Republican Party Platform. Then read each state Republican party platform. Then, explain how it is you can apologize for, let alone, join such a party. Being LGBT and conservative is one thing. Being LGBT and a Republican Party member is indefensible. (And for anyone who wants to reply to this, please include specific references to the GOP Platform and why you agree)
BJ McFrisky
@tdx3fan: See, here’s where your assumptions can get you in trouble. You keep affiliating me with the Republican party, when I’m not a Republican. So I cannot, and will not, defend their platform on all social issues. Do I vote Republican? You bet I do. Why? DADT doesn’t affect me, I’ll never get married, and I’m self-employed. Those are the simple answers to your questions. Also, people on the Right don’t antagonize me for being gay; people on the Left? It’s non-stop, the harassment I receive for voting conservative. For the simplest example of incontrovertible evidence of this, take a glance at a few of the responses my other comments get.
ronsfo
Gay republican, sort of like:
fighting for peace, and fucking for chastity.
Duh.
brent
@tdx3fan: If he’s openly gay how can he be self-hating?
brent
@Aidan8: I don’t care about platforms. I find them a waste of time, no politican follows them once elected. If youbelieve platforms then you would have to believe the democrats hate god and israel. But its all nonsense. In 2004 campaigh Dick Cheney said he diagreed with the platform you talked about.
brent
@Patsy Stoned: Patsy, i would like to suggest you look at young republicans who are more open minded. An example would be the late Andrew Breibart. Another question could be what have gay liberals done to make the black and hispanic communities less homophobic. I have never heard Barney Frank address that question.
Aidan8
@brent: The delegates of your party (GOP) come together from all over the country and debate and create the party platform. It is an aspirational document…. what a given party hopes to achieve. So it does matter. And yes, you may disagree with a given section of a platform. Nonetheless, the GOP platform is explicitly anti-gay and implicitly misogynist. You can’t get around that.
brent
@Aidan8: One big thing stood out for me in you’re comment. You said it’s misogynist. If that is true then why did they nominate a female to be on their last ticket? I would bet politicans of both parties have little idea of what is in them. And if we do take them seriously can you defend everything in the democratic platform? I’m sure you know the democrats had a hard time with their platform last week.
Aidan8
@brent: Brent, I don’t necessarily agree with everything in the Democratic Party platform. In fact, I’m not a Democrat. But one thing I know for sure…. the GOP platform is specifically anti-gay and the Democratic platform is not.
FStratford
@brent:
openly gay can be self-hating
the only thing that an openly gay guy can not be is closeted.
get a dictionary!
FStratford
@BJ McFrisky:
you may not be a Republican but you vote for Republicans who are homophobes. A real conservative would never want big government on social issues like gay marriage. (See how libertarians slammed Rand Paul for simply hinting that he might be okay with DOMA? Those are the real conservatives.)
the other Greg
@BJ McFrisky: “Do I vote Republican? You bet I do. Why? DADT doesn’t affect me, I’ll never get married, and I’m self-employed.”
I can guess why you’ll never get married. Ha ha. (And no taxes on the rent boys?) … Naw, I understand, you’re like the libertarians on Reason.com who would like “government to get out of the marriage business.” Theoretical b.s. that’ll never happen, from bitterly divorced middle-aged guys. Well, not everyone is a bitterly divorced middle-aged, self-employed guy. Some gay people like the idea of love. So sue us. … Oh right, you vote for people who DO sue us.
DADT: Actually you could look at DADT differently and with some pride. To their credit – and I kind of hate to admit it! – Log Cabin kept the lawsuit going for many years when it looked like a lost cause. Obama jumped on the bandwagon when it finally looked to be popular. (But I realize you self-identify more with GOProud, who’ve never accomplished anything at all.)
Self-employed? A cute euphemism, but pot dealers don’t pay taxes anyway! … Seriously, I’m a bit sympathetic on this one – although you don’t sound like one of those “small business owners” who would be hiring anyone else (if the economy were better), which we were told by the RNC is the greatest thing about small business owners – but surely you realize, Shirley, that not everyone is self-employed, or has an interest in doing that. Most of us have jobs that we don’t want to get fired from for being gay – as is still legal in 30 or so states, thanks to the Republicans. A far more important issue than marriage.
Dumdum
You girls are still missing the point.The issues here are equal rights.People of color have them,self employed drug dealers have them.Equality for all and reproductive freedom for women.This back and forth b#@*h fight between you girls is pointless and counter productive.Politicians should be judged on what they do NOT what they say.Platforms!!! I quit wearing those back in the 1970s.What a joke!!! It makes me sad that you girls believe your partisan bull and cling to it like a starfish on a rock.
BJ McFrisky
@the other Greg: So let’s look at your points a little more carefully here . . .
1 – You accuse me of paying for rent boys, since obviously I’m too horrible a human being to be in a relationship. (FYI I had to look up “rent boy” to see what one was). I’ve been in a monogamous relationship for over 15 years, so no rent boys here.
2 – You suggest I’m a drug dealer. I run a sole proprietorship, which I heavily pay taxes on to the Feds and to the great failing state of California (but hey, who doesn’t like to take a hit off a joint now and then?).
3 – You suggest that Libertarian/conservatives like to sue? Have you ever met a tort attorney? They’re the biggest liberals out there. Remember the lawyer who claimed a dry cleaner owed him $5 million for a lost pair of pants? D.C.’s biggest liberal. Also, I once worked in the courts system, and trust me: 90% of trial lawyers are Democrats.
4 – You claim firing gay people is legal in 30 states, which is a roundabout way of saying that 20 states have specific non-discriminatory laws on the books. I’m all for non-discriminatory laws, as long as the subtext isn’t explicitly or implied to be against heterosexual white men (as most of these laws are, since they don’t address hate crimes unless they’re perpetrated by offenders who are heterosexual, or white, or male).
5 – DADT is done, it’s over. It passed. It’s no longer an issue. Why do you insist on still making it one? And unless you or a close loved one was gay and in the military, it didn’t affect you either. In all likelihood, it affected about 3% of the gay population, and yet it’s been the #1 gripe coming from us for the past 20 years.
6 – You called me Shirley, which would have been cute when we were in elementary school, but come on, seriously.
And lastly, a queston: What will be your cause when marriage is made available to all? What will make you mad? What will send you into the streets demanding justice? Because, let’s face it, when the gay community—like most liberal factions—isn’t miserably angry about something, then they’re just not happy. I have many friends who are living examples of this.
To wrap it all up: I’m a happy guy in a happy place in my life who just wishes the government would do LESS to intrude on me. That’s why I votes the way I votes.
brent
@FStratford: Well if you vote democrat then means you are helping to advance the interest of blacks and hispanics who vote for anti-gay measures. How is that different?
the other Greg
@BJ McFrisky: 🙂
Jeez, apparently you’re one of those guys who needs a smiley face 🙂 appended every time someone kids you!
1 – kidding. I don’t care much about marriage (though I do care some), and I’ve commented often here that ENDA (for instance) is much more important, and the gay “c*cktail party activists” focus way too much on marriage marriage marriage. (And guess what – nobody has EVER disagreed with me about that here on Queerty! Those bourgeois a-holes over at the Advocate b1tched at me all the time about that.) My bf & I have never even knowingly met a married gay person, and we’re in New England. The subject rarely comes up in real life. … But, if you’re in a monogamous relationship, why DON’T you want to get married? It makes the most sense for those with money. That’s why poor straight people don’t bother with it much nowadays, even when they have kids.
2 – kidding. Clear from context. Read it again, I even said I was a bit sympathetic on the tax issue. But not sympathetic enough to vote for rabidly anti-gay lunatics, as you so tirelessly urge us all to do.
3 – Refers specifically to lawsuits filed by conservatives vs. same-sex marriage. Not a reference to the entire legal system!
4 – ??? – I didn’t even mention hate crimes. What the f does employment law have to do with hate crimes?
5 – (a) Most Republicans in Congress voted against DADT repeal, and a great many Republicans have vowed to reinstate it. Romney and Ryan have sounded pretty grim about the subject also. (Someone may chime in to say that Rmoney has explicitly promised to reinstate it?) It’s nice of you to assume that DADT is a dead issue, but it’s only a dead issue if the Republicans don’t get the senate & presidency.
5 – (b) “And unless you or a close loved one was gay and in the military, it didn’t affect you either.” Yep, I’m a gay veteran, and have written about it here before. Nice of you to assume I’m a unicorn or Bigfoot or something.
6 – Reference to the movie ‘Airplane” (a comedy, so you probably have never seen it).
“And lastly, a queston: What will be your cause when marriage is made available to all?” ENDA, and I guess that’d be about it for my gay concerns (domestically).
You really never sound all that happy, dude. By your own admission, in real life you’re always starting arguments with those darn libs – who have no “compassion” for your being conservative! – and you always seem pretty mad here.
Dumdum
@BJ McFrisky: What a colossal douche! Liberal blah blah,gay blah blah I am embarrassed that you claim to be Gay.Happy??? On what planet would YOU be considered happy?If it were not for angry liberals African Americans would still be at the back of the bus.Women would not have the vote.No cities would host Gay Pride.Was Martin Luther King murdered by an angry liberal? J.F.K.? Harvey Milk? As long as people like you exist,then anger is totally justified.I have been with the same man for 23 years and I would marry him in a New York minute if I could.If it were not for angry liberals,sodomy would still be a felony in all 50 states. If it were not for angry liberals YOUR neighbor could have you and your fictional boy-friend thrown in jail or locked up in a mental institution.And I am not convinced that you do not actually belong in one.
BJ McFrisky
@Dumdum: You stated “anger is totally justified.” No, it’s not. That’s why they have anger management, so people don’t get angry. It may inspire you to see OWS chucking rocks through store windows, but to the rest of us it’s pure anarchy perpetrated by the world’s biggest losers.
@the other Greg: You claim most all of your coments were just “kidding,” implying you really didn’t mean them. Well, if rent boys and drug dealers are fun and games to you, then you won’t mind that I “kid” you by . . . nah, I’m too decent a guy to say it. But I’m not an angry guy, I just enjoy coming on this site and voicing my opinion, mostly because 98% of the people posting comments here come across as brainwashed lemmings who simply parrot liberal talking points. You’ve just got to accept that homosexuality does not dictate that we all have a singular mindset regarding political issues.
brent
@LubbockGayMale: Yes i’m going to miss how Frank stood up to the black and hispanic communities when it came to their high level of hate crimes against gays and their opposition to gay marriage. And then he found time to call the republicans uncle tom’s. great guy
Dumdum
@BJ McFrisky: Really that’s the best you got? Anger management?I guess you were not there at the White Night Riots. I was, now that was a party! Tell that to the people in Africa who hunt down Gays and burn them alive and chop them to bits while they scream for mercy. Dude! You are such a tool.And a lemming as well,there are more than just one species.
BJ McFrisky
@Dumdum: And what, exactly, did the White Knight riots accomplish? Other than making us come across as immature and violent? Did it get Dan White a stiffer sentence? Did it change the laws? Did it bring anyone to our side of the issue? Did it win over hearts and minds? No, no, and no. Very odd that someone would brag about being part of a violent mob, let alone referring to it as a “party.” But I guess that’s liberal thinking for you.
And if you’re so committed to stopping violence against gays in Africa, do something about it other than just using it as a liberal slogan. Go over there. Send money to them. Start a campaign. (I suppose you could organize another riot, but again, nothing would be accomplished except drawing attention to how irrational your behavior is). Or, since it’s so much easier, you can just continue to sit back and whine about how we’re all victims of the oppressive heterosexual establishment. Democrats are so predictable. All they have to do is say, “I’m mad about [fill in the blank]” and it relieves them of all their liberal guilt. Never ceases to amaze me.
brent
@Patsy Stoned: The log cabin crew hasn’t done anything to make the republicans less gay. Since liberal gays have become active in the democratic party have they done anything to make hispanics or blacks less anti-gay?
the other Greg
@BJ McFrisky: Harvey Milk was a small business owner, he had a camera shop. By your reasoning he would have gone around urging gays in SF in the ’70s, hey we should support Reagan for president because he’ll bring lower taxes. Hey we shouldn’t get upset about the Briggs Amendment because (state sen.) Briggs is for lower taxes. I guess in your alternate universe, Harvey would have had some orange juice with Anita Bryant and discussed taxes.
Dumdum
@BJ McFrisky: I spent over a year in Africa with the Peace Corp digging wells, planting crops,and assisting health care professionals.I would have stayed longer but I became quite ill and had to come back to the States. I also took care of my Gay brothers who were dieing of AIDS when no one wanted to be in the same room with the filthy disgusting queers with ( What did they call it back then?)The Gay Disease,or G.R.I.D. How many shit covered sheets have YOU washed? How many people have died in your arms? You don’t know me.And I may be considered liberal because I have an open mind.Except when it comes to intolerant breeders and Gays like you.I have lived in the gay community for 37 years. I was kicked out by my CONSERVATIVE REPUBLICAN RELIGIOUS PARENTS at the age of 15 for being Gay.I lived on the streets in San Francisco selling my body to survive from 1975 till 1978 then I took my GED passed it and went on to receive a B.A. in anthropology and archaeology.I lived with the Australian Aborigines and ate fat juicy grubs.Just one of many adventures shared with indigenous peoples in various parts of the world.So you can kiss my so called liberal white ass.And I said I was there during the White Night riots not that I participated in them. I was with friends for the candle light march but we left when rocks started to fly and cops were bashing heads.Would you like to hear about when two weeks later I was dragged into an alley by San Francisco cops and beaten nearly to death by them. Or attacked by a gang of Black youths on the 19 Polk bus for being an AIDS infected faggot.Or that I now counsel L.G.B.T. teens here in Oklahoma to help them deal with being Gay in a hostile world.Or that I have lived with HIV since 1984.Been with the same man since 1989.What have you done sir? Aside from Bitch about the angry bleeding heart liberals who want even guys like you to have EQUAL RIGHTS under the law???
BJ McFrisky
@the other Greg: Not at all. Harvey Milk had a very strong agenda: gay rights, which were dubious back in the 70s. His platform wasn’t about taxes. Briggs was about firing gay teachers, not lowering taxes. Anita Bryant was all about silencing gays.
Me, I’m sick of the government taking my hard-earned money and handing it out to those whose chosen line of work is fleecing the taxpayer with welfare, bailouts, and handouts.
brent
@orcanyc: Ashamed of what for spending 6 years in court fighting DODT and having Obama oppose them. And then when the log cabins win there case Barney Frank gives all the credit to Obama for the work the log cabin’s did. It is Frank who should be ashamed.