Bill Clinton warned a close friend in 2000 that Hillary’s New York Senate run could suffer because she was not “comfortable around gay people who were kind of acting out, or pushing her to the limit,” and that she had a “general discomfort” around gay rights issues.
That close friend, as it happens, was author and historian Taylor Branch, who conducted dozens of late-night interviews with Bill from the early ’90s to 2000 to write a book chronicling the Clinton White House.
The president kept all the sole audio recordings of those interviews, but Branch took notes and recounted audio notes into a tape recorder after each interview session concluded.
According to one of those audio clips from June 10, 1999 obtained by the Free Beacon, Branch was in the middle of an interview with President Clinton when Bill stepped out of the room to take a phone call from Hillary.
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When he came back into the room, he was distracted by his wife’s stance on gay rights.
“[Bill] came in and he said, ‘You know I’ve had much more contact in my life with gay people than Hillary has,’” Branch says in the audio recording. “He said, ‘I think she’s really a little put off by some of this stuff.’”
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Then, according to Branch, the president reflected on having signed the Defense of Marriage Act in 1996, allowing states to pass same-sex marriage bans, telling his friend, “I thought it was right at the time, and I’m not sure that it is.”
“[Bill] said, ‘Generally I support the gay agenda right down the line,’” said Branch. “He said this was hard for me, and I’m sure there are still a few things that are hard for me to swallow.”
Then Clinton reportedly told Branch that, “Hillary, emotionally speaking, still finds the issue harder to swallow than I do. And that it could be difficult for her in New York politics, how far she’ll be asked to go.”
Related: Hillary Gets Angry When Pressed About Her Evolution On Marriage Equality
Branch concluded that Clinton was “essentially I think saying that Hillary had kind of a conservative religious temperament, and was not likely to be comfortable around gay people who were kind of acting out, or pushing her to the limit. She did have general discomfort.”
Hillary’s evolution on gay rights has been a touchy subject for the 2016 Democratic front-runner, and this recording adds to speculation that she may have felt the need to come out in favor of marriage equality for political reasons — a point which ruffled her feathers when Terry Gross pressed her about it on Fresh Air last June.
“I think you’re trying to say I used to be opposed and now I’m in favor and I did it for political reasons, and that’s just flat wrong,” Clinton told Gross, annoyance in her voice.
By contrast, fellow Democratic hopeful Bernie Sanders has a well-documented track record standing up for gay rights for decades.
Related: 32 Years Before Marriage Equality, Bernie Sanders Fought For Gay Rights
Yet Clinton has developed a passionate and vocal support base among gay men, something George Chauncey Jr., a professor of history and American studies at Yale and author of Gay New York: Gender, Urban Culture and the Making of the Gay Male World, attributes in no small part to “that resonance of the long-suffering woman with older gay men,” pointing to Judy Garland as a reference point.
For others, it comes down to practical electability — if Hillary has a better shot at keeping a Republican out of the White House than Sanders, her perhaps-calculated tardiness to the gay rights table might be overlooked for fear of a Bush or — God forbid — a Trump (or worse!) setting up shop in the Oval.
H/t: FreeBeacon, DailyBeast
aliengod
Of course she doesn’t like gay men. I don’t think she likes men in general. Thankfully, I don’t think she has a chance of becoming President. I’d gladly vote for “God forbid” Trump any day over Hillary. She’s a criminal and more suited for prison than the Presidency.
Captain Obvious
@aliengod: I don’t think voting for the devil to stop Satan is how you save yourself.
M J Martinez Crogan
A lot of things change in 15 phucking years …wake the phuck up! Don’t think for a minute we should vote Rethuglicanism…
Cam
@aliengod:
Oh sorry I didn’t realize it was time for the sad remnant of the Log Cabiners to come in here and try to pretend that all Dems are evil and Any Republican is better.
Let’s see, every single republican running for President is opposed to LGBT rights. Every single republican running for president except 2 has said that they support a Constitutional Amendment to strip away LGBT rights, and of those two, one of them attacked gay rights laws while they were governor so ……
But yeah, keep on coming in here and trying to pretend that isn’t the case.
Steve McSheffrey
A close friend wouldn’t have repeated it…
Guy068
Sadly, Trump has the best stance of all Republican candidates on gay issues…
aliengod
@Captain Obvious: LOL
@Cam: I’m far from a “Log Cabiner”. I never said that Dems were evil, only that Hillary is a criminal. I’m pro-choice, pro LGB protections and equality so I don’t think I’d qualify as a Log Cabiner. Trump is also. He’s probably not really a Republican but knew he had no chance running as an independent. I don’t really think he has much chance of winning either. I just feel like he’d be a much better choice than Hillary.
@Guy068: Why is that sad? I think it’s great when anyone has a positive stance on gay issues.
David Jarrett
In 15 years, may people I personally know have made a 180 degree turn and now strongly support gay rights — particularly as many of their friends have come out as gay. So, in 15 years, the majority of the USA citizens have switched in favor of gays.
Vegas Tearoom
Who the fuck cares if Hillary won’t win RuPaul Presents America’s Next Fag Hag? She is a politician and an administrator. The LGBT protections and her endorsement of LGBTs at the Department of State were HISTORYMAKING!. This is nonsense!
GG
One of the best speeches I have ever heard, by anyone, anywhere, on human rights:
Video:
http://www.thewire.com/global/2011/12/watch-hillary-clintons-speech-declaring-gay-rights-are-human-rights/45842/
Transcript:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/12/06/hillary-clinton-gay-rights-speech-geneva_n_1132392.html?ref=mostpopular
And that was nearly four years ago.
Curty
Look who’s talking. The ass who signed dadt and doma and sent gay rights back for almost 2 decades. Thanks to Obama and scotus both of his discriminatory laws are history. Bill has some nerve, really? To all of the men and women discharged from armed forces and couples who couldn’t have federal benefits for being gay, kiss our ass Bill.
AxelDC
So, 16 years ago, when 2/3 of Americans opposed gay marriage, Clinton was not sure if she supported gay marriage.
How is that remotely relevant to 2016? 1/3 of Americans, or nearly 100 million of us, including Barack Obama, have changed our minds on gay marriage.
I didn’t support gay marriage in 1997, but now I have a husband. If you do not allow people to evolve and grow, then you should just elect marble statues instead of human beings.
She is damned more Progressive on gay rights than any Republican running in 2016.
AxelDC
@Curty: Obama did not support gay marriage in 2008.
Curty
I don’t think Trump is a homophobe. Cruz, huckabee and the rest are of the gop field are religious nut jobs who loath glbt people and rights.
Curty
@AxelDC: Obama didn’t enact dadt and doma. He got rid of them! No comparison between clinton and Obama on gay rights ok? Got pride month, openly gay cabinet members again he repealed dadt, stop defending clintons doma. Bill has no reason to talk about gay rights or people. He sent it back. Now after he leaves office he acts like he is so sorry. F you. You should have stood your ground when it mattered.
Paul Ditz
Hillary’s just not that into us, folks.
Curty
@AxelDC: Ok a gay man he didn’t support gay marriage says it all. No wonder you are a clinton apologist. Aome Some of us want to be treat equally under the law.
Rich Walczak
Who cares? Obama was against gay marriage before he became president and looked what happened while he is in office. Peoples views can change as they grow. Not to mention she has publicly come out in favor of gay rights. Let it go people I’m sure your views were a lot different 15 years ago.
VivaViejo
@Curty:
What do you call someone opposed to gay marriage; a friend of the community?
Trump’s Bad Deal for Equality
http://www.glaad.org/trump
Don’t like the source? Google “Trump against gay marriage” and find a source you approve of
Maude
@aliengod:
Aliengod….Pay no attention to Cam. He is always deciding who or what someone is because that someone said or did something that Cam doesn’t like.
For some unknown but lunatic reason, Cam decided I was someone else, and wouldn’t let go of the thought, because he decided that some other person posted similar posts, which in fact were very much like many of the other poster as well.
BTW, I don’t like Hillary either, and for the same reason…She’s a liar and a crook…and if she’s the candidate, I’ll just stay home.
Giancarlo85
@aliengod: The massive bullshit artist is back at it. In full force.
http://thinkprogress.org/lgbt/2011/12/06/383003/sec-clinton-to-un-gay-rights-are-human-rights-and-human-rights-are-gay-rights/
” “Like being a woman, like being a racial religious tribal or ethnic minority, being LGBT does not make you less human. And that is why gay rights are Human Rights and Human Rights are gay rights.” – Hillary Clinton (Dec 2011)
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Doesn’t sound like she’s too uncomfortable now does it?
She got more comfortable with gay people sooner than Biden or Obama did.
You gay republicans disgust me to the core. You’d vote for someone who has no real ideas and espouses dangerous bullshit. Someone who advocates xenophobia and bigotry… yes, go ahead and vote for Trump. Self serving douche.
@aliengod: Except you’re none of those things. You’re not pro-choice. You’re not pro-LGBT. You know want to know why? Your voting choices indicate that. Hillary isn’t a criminal. You want a real criminal? Look at the people who you are supporting, hypocrite.
@Maude: Yet these right wing know-it-alls can’t really name why she is a liar and a crook. Yes, stay the fuck home. We’d be better off that way instead of you guys voting republican (which was your intention all along anyways). You’d probably vote for Ben Carson over Hillary.
Giancarlo85
@Curty: You don’t think he is a homophobe? You think wrong.
Trump is not just a homophobe, but he’s bad news for this entire nation. Every one of his empty policy “suggestions” would be incredibly destructive to this nation. When someone supports Donald Trump, you have to question their sanity.
These gay repuggers on here thrive on old comments made 15 or 20 years ago. They love it when a democrat was associated with them, at a time nearly 70% of the country was against same sex marriage and republicans wanted us jailed (for sodomy). I can’t help but think about how stupidly naive some are.
They criticize democrats endlessly and hound Hillary non-stop… yet are fully willing to support the republican party which has offered nothing but pain and misery earlier in the 21st century. We are still dealing with the repercussions of this nation making the biggest mistake of the century. And now we have some people screaming about Trump… Bush had a big mouth too when he was running for office. We would have been better off with Gore and everyone knows it.
Michael Jarboe
15 years ago my mom was vehemently against anything gay, including my husband. Today she’d knock the block off anyone who is even remotely homophobic and loves my husband as much as she does me. (Well, almost as much.)
Much of America has made a quantum leap in the past 15 years. If you’re going to discuss marriage, you should also discuss her immediate changes at the State Department for gay employees. Years before Obama took a stand.
Curty
@Giancarlo85: I wouldn’t vote for Trump. That doesn’t mean Bill clinton should be critical Of Anyone On gay rights! He signed anti gay laws. Thousands loss jobs in military and couldn’t be recognized under federal law for there marriages because of him. So Bill Clinton has no reason slamming anyone on gag issues. He had his chance and he turned his back on the glbt community. Now all of a sudden he and others want to give him a pass and rewrite history. Hell no! You get a pass when you get in office and do things. Obama has done this things for our community. He didn’t keep dadt, he didn’t support doma. He prohibited discrimination for federal contractors.
Patrick Laney
It is because she is a lesbian and we know she is one… Come out and move on already!
Bisexual-Transwoman
Hilary can claim all she wants now that she’s for LGBT rights but she’s really not.
Giancarlo85
@Bisexual-Transwoman: I have to disagree with you on that one. She clearly is and was in support for years before Biden or Obama.
@Curty: I’m not even talking about Bill Clinton. But he was President in a time where he was left with little choice. Even members of his own party were against LGBT rights.
Stefano Gant
what’s the point here? we love Hillary and her administration will the most progressive one our history after president Obama paved the road.
Simon Greenham
I always thought she was a lesbian to be honest..
Alistair Wiseman
HILLARY FOR PRISON 2016
Curty
@Giancarlo85: That’s not true. If she was before they were why didn’t she say so? Obama has been publicly supporting gay rights since 1996 when he was a local delegate in Chicago…
Giancarlo85
@Curty: That is true. Obama has not been. He even said he was against same sex marriage. He was quiet for most of his administration, while Hillary was making speeches to the world at the UN in 2011. This was before Obama or Biden ever said a thing. You are NOT honest about anything.
You didn’t even address my other point about this country being against gay people in the 1990s.
@Alistair Wiseman: REPUBLICANS FOR PRISON 2016. Sned the WHOLE fucking party to prison.
Giancarlo85
Oh by the way, Obama would have been quiet if it wasn’t for Biden. Biden is the one seriously pushing, but even he did it after Hillary made several groundbreaking speeches to the world.
You anti-Hillary types are ridiculous. You don’t even have any proof for anything you say.
Brian
Hillary has never done anything for gay people’s rights. She is good at marketing herself with glossy ads but she’s not someone who actually does anything.
Giancarlo85
@Brian: Here we go again… another Log Cabin Closet Queen. For one, what have republicans done? Asides from hurt us? And why do you vote for them?
jar
@AxelDC: Let’s not try to rewrite history. Hillary was opposed to gay marriage up until 2013. All of the arguments about “people change” are unavailing when you consider her 2004 speech spouting the “sanctity of marriage” and between “one man and one woman.” She went full rightwing on this issue, even holding up her own marriage as evidence of the sanctity of marriage. That’s right- Hillary believes her imperfect marriage was entitled to constitutional protection, but not our relationships.
Bernie Sanders, on the other hand, has been a longtme ally of the cause. He stood with us when it was unpopular and could have negative effects on his political career. But he didn’t back down. He stood up for what is right. And for those of you who weren’t around in those days, allies in the straight community were few and far between. Most politicians were too cowardly to stand with us, Hillary included. Hillary’s good for speechifying, but not so good on action. She changed her view on same sex marriage after the issue was essentially a fait accompli.
jar
@Curty: Obama did not get rid of either DADT or DOMA. The courts did. Educate yourself.
Giancarlo85
@jar: Oh it’s the Sanders drone. First off, Hillary was making supportive speeches in 2011. And was in favor before 2013. Before Obama even came out in support of it. She is not full right wing. Sanders has handled several issues quite badly… including the “black lives matter” protesters. He shows how weak he is as a leader. He won’t make it in the White House or Congress.
jar
@Curty: For all of his flaws, Bill Clinton was the first president to acknowledge the gay and lesbian community publicly. He also tried (poorly) to integrate the military in his first year in office and expended a significant amount of political capital doing so. Ultimately, he gave up on us with DOMA, which was his attempt to take the issue away from republicans. Of course, that didn’t work and fanned the flames as they became more aggressive at the state level, thanks to closet case Ken Mehlman.
Giancarlo85
Oh and hasn’t Sanders only talked? What exactly has he done for our community? He’s a Congressman. Not a Governor. If I wanted to use your distorted logic, jar… I’d be pushing Jerry Brown who has done a hell lot more.
jar
@Stefano Gant: If you want a progressive administration, the only choice is Bernie Sanders. Hillary is a neoliberal who will continue the party’s catering to wall street and moneyed interests.
jar
@Giancarlo85: Prove it- prove that Hillary was for gay marriage before 2013. Hillary is good for giving speeches, even if she contradicts herself. Extending partner benefits to employees at state- her coworkers- is a helluva lot different than supporting same sex marriage, which she opposed. Her 2004 speech touting the sanctity of marriage was rightwing. I suggest you watch it. It’s funny that you attack others for not being progressive enough while you’re running interference for a neoliberal.
1EqualityUSA
Clinton is tough enough to play these dark masses in Washington. We don’t need another lovable guy that will get bowled over by the GOP.
Giancarlo85
@jar: Oh I did fucking prove it in the link I posted including extending her support for full rights for gay people even in the US. You just haven’t proved a damn thing. You are nothing more than a drone. You are similar to the Ron Paul supporters. It wouldn’t surprise me if you supported Ron Paul in 2008. Seems like some just jump ship.
I suggest you watch the speech I posted in 2011. Please. You don’t know shit.
Giancarlo85
@jar: And it’s funny you DEMAND proof yet provide none of your own and can’t link to this speech. While I posted a speech from 2011. I already destroyed your argument in the past. Useless drone. I like Sanders, but some of his supporters are idiots.
jar
@Giancarlo85: In the 1970’s Sanders called for full gay rights as part of his platform for office. Sanders also held the first gay pride parade in Burlington in 1984- that was before some major cities even did so. He also opposed both DADT and DOMA. He has consistently spoken out for our full rights for years (since speeches are so important to you). This may be an alien concept to you, but it’s helpful to educate yourself before making assertions; to do otherwise only makes you look foolish.
Giancarlo85
@jar: Sanders hasn’t done anything for us in real substance, policy wise. He has done nothing. Using your own logic against you. You are an uneducated ass-hat. If I wanted to push someone, it would be Jerry Brown but he’s not running for office. So I’m going with the best candidate out there. And it’s not the one you advocate.
You’re a dumb uneducated fool who can’t look at the links I posted in this article.
Giancarlo85
http://thinkprogress.org/lgbt/2011/12/06/383003/sec-clinton-to-un-gay-rights-are-human-rights-and-human-rights-are-gay-rights/
” “Like being a woman, like being a racial religious tribal or ethnic minority, being LGBT does not make you less human. And that is why gay rights are Human Rights and Human Rights are gay rights.” – Hillary Clinton (Dec 2011)
This is for peanut brain.
jar
@Giancarlo85: I am familiar with that speech. She does not say she supports marriage equality there. So, no, you haven’t proven your point. Aside from a speech given to the UN and extending benefits to state employees, what has she actually done to progress gay rights in this or any other country. What did she do as senator? Squat. Furthermore, you used the plural, not singular. So show me more than one speech in which she supported marriage equality. You haven’t presented a singular example yet.
Your need to resort to personal attack just exposes your intellectual deficiencies.
Giancarlo85
@jar: You’re a bore. You haven’t actually watched the speech. Listen to it other than closing of your little ears from the facts. It might help you. What has Sanders done? Nothing. You haven’t presented shit to support your own thoughts, so you demand proof? You are the one with serious intellectual defects (LOL!). You need to get off your high horse. You demand proof, yet haven’t ever presented one single piece of evidence for your anti-Hillary tirades.
You probably were a Ron Paul supporter in 2008. Funny how you don’t deny that. You sound just as batshit crazy like some of those people.
jar
@Giancarlo85: Oh, little boy, I will only waste a bit more of my time on you, as you clearly are impervious to reason. I provided you with evidence. Nothing to say on that, eh? You clearly were not sentient during the 70’s or 80’s because you display a complete lack of understanding of those times. Sanders’s political plank was quite meaningful in those times. You want to forgive Hillary’s vocal opposition to our rights, but want to denigrate someone who was one of the very few who was willing to stand up for and with us.
As for her speech, I didn’t think it was necessary to post it because you should be aware of it if you claim to know Hillary’s record. Again, your deficiencies are obvious. Here’s a link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6I1-r1YgK9I
I wish you could have had the excellent education (to the doctoral level) that I have had. You wouldn’t embarrass yourself as you do. I would suggest starting with a logic class. It would help you immensely.
jar
@Giancarlo85: You are now dismissed.
Giancarlo85
@jar: Oh wow. He cited a video from 2004. I cited one from 2011. Big whoop. This guy doesn’t have a clue what he’s talking about. He’s the little boy. I’ve already smashed your argument in the past. I know more about Hillary’s record. Last time I got it in with you, you vanished because you knew you had nothing.
WHere is your evidence? And please don’t give me a youtube video.
You do not have a doctoral level education. Please stop lying to us. Your argument is a fucking mess. Where are your links?
Giancarlo85
@jar: Nope. Idiot. I am not dismissed. You are DISMISSED. You never debunked the video I posted, where she clearly did support equality. You are smoked!
Giancarlo85
LOL. And now he’s touting his “excellent education”. I am laughing my ass off. They apparently didn’t teach him how to make an argument. I asked for actual links (and youtube is NOT a source). His “excellent education” didn’t afford him the ability to make coherent political decisions. He never denied by Ron Paul claim. So I am 100% correct in this regard.
Usually those who boast about their superior education don’t have any.
Curty
@Giancarlo85: You are delusional. What has the Clintons done for gay people. We already know what Obama has done. A lot! You defend Hilary when she has nothing to show. A speech. Whop dee do! Obama repealed dadt, stop defending doma, came out for same sex marriage, has pride week, openly gay employeess. You are a clinton fan. Great but your made up record is loony and delusional.
Curty
@jar: Giancarlo85 is a complete nut job who is beyond capable of reason or logic even when facts are laid out in front of him. He is like a ted cruz a defense for everything, beyond reasoning. Clinton’s have done nothing for the glbt and Hilary is just pandering right now for votes…his defense that the 90’s was a different era is just laughable and sad. Congressman Lewis and Senator sanders have been for gay rights openly for years. Hilary finally in 2013 said she supported marriage equality. I think Hilary is disingenuous… but I would vote for her over any republican in office.
Giancarlo85
@Curty: I have posted the facts. And all you come back at me is with…. nothing.
First off, Biden is the one that pushed policy. Not Obama. I’ve already posted my evidence.
I didn’t post a “made up record”. You’re an idiot and you can’t think clearly. I even like Obama quite a bit (and voted for him twice), but you’re full of shit!
Giancarlo85
@Curty: How am I a nutjob? You are a unhinged idiot who doesn’t back himself up. I like Obama, but come on man… you don’t know anything about Hillary. Hillary isn’t pandering. You can’t prove it. OBama was against gay marriage in the past (this is proven fact). I accept his support now. Hillary stated her support in 2011, not 2013. Stop being delusional.
Giancarlo85
@Curty: By the way, all politicians pander for votes. That’s how they win elections. Even Obama.
jar
@Curty: I figured that out. The irony is that all of his bloviating is being done on an article in which Bill Clinton himself expressd Hillary’s discomfort with gay people as late as 2000.
Giancarlo85
@jar: Yet she voiced support to the world for full equality in 2011. Before Obama and Biden.
I’m still laughing at that excellent education comment. Hilarious. Where did you get your doctorate from? DeVry?
Giancarlo85
“Discomcort” LOL. The democratic party wasn’t comfortable supporting us as a whole until 2012. They were even against same sex marriage.
Curty
@jar: He’s unhinged and very delusional and has nothing but a speech she made but she has no actions yet. Obama does. Obama ended DADT, Obama wanted DOMA repealed in 1996. Scotus repealed doma in 2013. Obama has appointed more gay people in his administration than all combined presidents. Obama has denounced gay coversion therapy. Obama has executive orders for no glbt discrimination for federal contractors. Geneder neutral bathrooms… the list goes on and on. Bill Clinton gave us DADT, DOMA. Hilary a speech. Yet, this clown defends Clinton when she or her husband have nothing to show for it. Obama has been long for gay rights well before Hilary. And its only because of votes. She is disingenuous. MARCH 2013 she made an announcement she was for same sex marriage almost a year after Obama did. And not until after she left her post as SOS.
Giancarlo85
@Curty: Oh… how sweet. And original. He’s now using my words. Obama was against same sex marriage and was mute on DOMA in 2007/8. He was even against same sex marriage. It was Biden that gave him a push in the right direction. Nobody is talking about Bill Clinton. How about coming up with an original argument and not the crap you keep repeating?
No, Hillary voiced her support in December 2011. But you cannot see that.
Giancarlo85
Unoriginal, ignorant and refuses to back himself up. What else is new? Who is real nutjob? He won’t even give Biden a bit of support. Biden is our biggest ally in this White House.
Curty
@Giancarlo85: A speech but what has she done? -crickets nothing.
Curty
@Giancarlo85: The only thing Clinton has done for GLBT community is late to the party. Maybe that will change if she is elected. Biden has not been our biggest ally. Obama has you delusional, unhigned knucklehead. You aren’t privy to facts are you?
Giancarlo85
@Curty: Again, your refusal to even give Biden support for pushing Obama in the right direction shows how ignorant you are. You think Obama did all of that? You think wrong. You want to know why we were successful in recent history? It has to do with the LEGAL SYSTEM. The JUDICIAL BRANCH OF GOVERNMENT. THE SUPREME COURT.
Giancarlo85
@Curty: You just don’t have a clue! I posted a video of her in 2011 voicing her support for LGBT equality world-wide. You are just too fucking stupid to realize that. You even refuse to give Biden the support. Biden was the one who was more supportive than Obama. And stop using “unhinged” after I described you as that. What facts have you posted? Your own stupid rants?
Dominic Borgia
Go Joe!
Chuck Cardillo
I guess that’s because she’s a lesbian.
Gerald GeeLocke Panuthos
Says some dude… Oh please
Curty
@Giancarlo85: I posted facts you moron… you are so unhinged and suffering from some delusional malady you can’t read or comprehend anything. I posted facts about Obama’s record and hers. Biden came out before Obama on gay marriage. But obama never voted for DOMA Biden did in 1996. Obama opposed doma in Illinois in 1996. Obama stopped defending doma in 2011. Again facts Obama repealed DADT, doma repealed by scotus. Hilary supported doma and dadt before it was repealed. Clinton has made one speech ordered by Obama because he was he BOSS then. She got orders to say, “gay rights are human rights” then she finally supported marriage equality in 2013. Like dude… you make it seem she is some gay icon or pioneer in gay rights. OBAMA is. You just don’t like Obama… you give him no credit when he has done positive things for the glbt and hilary has done zero. Nothing for the glbt community. One speech. Ordered by her Boss. Obama. You make up something else. You keep rambling on and on making no sense. Her own husband who signed anti laws even says she has an issue with gays in this article. Lol yet you keep creating and defending her for a 2011 speech? Logic and facts to you are like pissing without the urine smell…
Curty
@Giancarlo85: I got it figured out. You have a problem with Obama. Is it because he’s half african, don’t like his tax policies or are you log cabin republican? You discredit Obama’s leadership and actions as President on glbt issues. I just reread some of your wacky, ranting comments and the common theme was give Obama no credit and all to Biden and create a false pro glbt career for Clinton. I see it now. Its Obama you have a problem with.
Jarodd Washington
I don’t know why we would hurt her when we are supporting her to win
Arcamenel
Bernie Sanders didn’t need 15 years and general public support for gay rights and marriage equality to be supportive…just saying.
Giancarlo85
@Curty: What have you posted, you hapless idiot? You have posted NOTHING. All you do is repeat words I said to you and you post a bunch of garbage. Where are your links? You know how we managed to win all these battles? THE COURTS. JUDGES. Not the democratic party and NOT Obama. Obama’s DOJ may have wrote a supportive judgment, but it was ultimately up to the US Supreme Court. The US Supreme Court even decided the validity of ACA (Obamacare) and upheld it. Again that was their call. Not his call.
I like Obama, Biden and Hillary. I just know the facts which you don’t know shit about. And no, she supported equality in 2011. She didn’t get “orders” to say that. She made that speech independently, because she was known not to take orders from the White House. Again, more shit you just made up off the top of your head.
Seriously, where do you get this garbage from? You haven’t presented a single link to back up anything you have said. Obama was opposed to same sex marriage in 2007/8.
“Like dude… you make it seem she is some gay icon or pioneer in gay rights. OBAMA is. ”
No he’s not. He’s not a pioneer, anymore than Hillary is. It is the US Supreme Court (at least the liberal justices) that are. Justices like Kennedy, Sotomayor and Kagan. Obama is a neutralist on this issue and he was only pushed by Biden opening his mouth.
” Nothing for the glbt community. One speech. Ordered by her Boss. Obama. You make up something else.
You’re a big rambling idiot. You don’t have the slightest shred of proof to back up any of this. Show me the proof that she was ordered to give that speech. She was her own boss.
“Lol yet you keep creating and defending her for a 2011 speech? Logic and facts to you are like pissing without the urine smell…”
You’re a naive moron who knows NOTHING about politics. I just figured you out. You swing and miss all the time. You then repeat what others say. When someone asks you for evidence you get all hissy.
@Curty: You mindless fucking moron! I’ve supported Obama and defended him countless times! But I KNOW THE TRUTH, and I know he’s been quite mute on LGBT issues and that it was Biden who pushed him in the direction. It was Biden who made supportive statements of same sex marriage. And it was a legal battle that won us those rights. I give credit to Justices like Kagan, Sotomayor, Kennedy… for giving us victories.
You want rambling? Look at the garbage you write!
You now have the fucking audacity to accuse me of being a log cabin republican? Are you some kind of brainless idiot? I am one of the BIGGEST leftists on this site. I gave Obama an average rating as President, because I feel he’s too compromising with republicans. He allowed the Frank-Dodd financial regulations to get gutted by republicans. HE didn’t draw a hard enough line. Other than that, he’s been a decent President.
I never said anything about not giving Obama any credit. But Biden was the one who made the supportive statements before he did. And it was the Supreme Court of this country that gave us the lionshare of legal victories.
You are a wonky, naive kid who knows nothing about what is going on in this country. Do us all a favor, and stay away. You’ll do more damage to the democrats than you can imagine.
Giancarlo85
@Curty: Oh and if I supported Biden so much, you clueless asshat, wouldn’t I be supporting him to win the nomination and not Hillary?
You see half of the shit you write doesn’t even make any sense. You just spout off because you have a big fucking ego and no mind.
youarekiddingme
I think we need to remember how DADT actually evolved. Clinton’s intention was to allow gays/lesbians to serve openly in the military. There were even studies done to support his position that morale, unit cohesion, etc., wouldn’t be affected. Clinton ran on this promise. Unfortunately once in Washington the reality of Congress and the Joint Chiefs of Staff struck him head-on with opposition. The DADT legislation was a last-ditch effort to try to allow gays/lesbians to serve (even though they had to remain in the closet). The resulting “head-hunting” that ensued resulted in way too many discharges by something that should have been positive.
DOMA was passed with sufficient votes in the house and senate to make it “veto-proof.” Since there was no way for Clinton to stop the legislation, and to prevent a possible legal battle that may have resulted in a Constitutional Amendment, he reluctantly signed the legislation. Clinton was not a supporter of same-sex marriage at that time (1996), but many in the LGBTQ community were still not on board with it either.
As some of these bigoted, old politicians rot and die I believe more opportunity will avail itself for change. I know NONE of the current republican candidates gives a flying fuck about us. Thank goodness there’s still time before the election to sort through all the bullshit.
Alex Rothwell
Really at one point maybe she felt that but she has changed and so what, really.
Curty
@Giancarlo85: You’re a raving lunatic… loony tune… beyond reason… I made my case you haven’t and its here for everyone to see how delusional and illogical you are. You’re an old clown and tries to get into a back and forth argument when someone challenges your flawed responses. They you go rambling on and on to feed your weak ego. Sad. Anyway I made my case and you didn’t. Hilary has done NOTHING for glbt people. Obama has done a lot. Its all laid out before you idiot but you ignore it because if your small little mind no one can be critical of your QUEEN Hilary. I get you know. You name one speech see made in 2011. I laid out facts that Obama administration has done and you ignore that and keep going back to on speech from 4 years ago. LOL. You’re make a good Ted Cruz you know that… you are a delusional little sucker… name one piece of legislation Hilary has sponsored or voted for to advance flbt rights? Oh a speech don’t count…
Curty
@Giancarlo85: Biden isn’t running you delusional moronic toad… you are so lost you are voting for someone not in the race. Idiot! Seek help dude or whatever you are… with your distorted view on history I’m sure you didn’t do well in school. I can see you arguing with history test and anything you make up facts for and flunking big time. Lol. You’re so lost…
martinbakman
Discomfort Bill?
Like knowing that the whole country and all around the world knows you let a young girl play with your doodle in the Oval office?
Loyd Hawkins
This meme is silly. Why are we discussing Clinton’s views on an issue from 16 years ago when she has clearly evolved on the issue and now stands side by side with the LGBT community calling for full equality?
Giancarlo85
@Curty: Oh wow. How old are you? 12? You really struggle. You haven’t laid out anything. Your argument is completely unsupported and has no real evidence to it. You are a brainless moron who doesn’t know how to make a case. You remind me more of Bobby Jindal. A clueless ass who thinks his own words are evidence. Never at any point in time have you posted any evidence. I have posted facts. Again, most of our progress has been won in the Court room.
@Curty: What a moron. Do you even follow the news? He hasn’t announced it officially but he basically is. And voting for someone who is not in the race? Lay off the fucking crystal method. Hillary is running. Do you use drugs? You sound pretty unstable. You tool, I finished undergraduate and graduate school. You didn’t even finish high school.
GayEGO
Remember, Bill Clinton voted for DOMA and DADT, back in the 1990s and the year 2000 was fifteen years ago. People have and are learning to support us so I am more concerned about the current 2015 thinking of politicians. So far, it is the GOPs, not the Democrats that I am concerned about.
GayEGO
@martinbakman: Hahahahahaha! Too funny!
Giancarlo85
*crystal meth.
I think we have found a tweaker. This guy needs some serious help. He has major delusions.
Curty
@Giancarlo85: You’re an idiot. You obviously need to go back to school and your failure to post anything hilary has done for the glbt besides a late as speech is evident you or her don’t have a leg to stand on. I won this debate. I presented facts that anyone with any knowledge knows and can research themselves. You had to create a narrative Hilary is pro glbt when in the past she wasn’t and is only doing it now for votes. You’re issue is Obama and Obama has advocated and actually signed and repealed laws affecting glbt citizens. You sit on queerty all day just to argue with people who challenge your narrow pea brain thinking. Pathetic. You’re a loser. Get a job.
Curty
@GayEGO: Yeah Bill sent the gay rights movement back almost 20 years. Thank goodness Obama and courts reverse his discriminatory policies. Screw Bill for that. He was a coward then.
Giancarlo85
@Curty: And yet again he fails to provide any proof. He made some audacious claims like “Hillary Clinton was ordered by the White House to give that speech” and other ridiculous ignorance. He just can’t see the reality. He “didn’t win the debate”. Of course, since he’s on drugs he’ll think that. It’s called being delusional.
I’m still waiting for those facts. You sound like a religious fundamentalist. I stated the facts about Hillary is pro-LGBT and has been since 2011. I have no issue with Obama. I know for a fact though the massive majority of our progress has been won by lawyers and in the Court room. Lambda Legal and other groups might need the credit for that one. Also the Liberal Justices on the Supreme Court, who even saved Obama on ACA.
You seem to be on here more than me. You are the one without a job or a mind. You’re the real loser. You’re commenting in just about every single article, whereas I don’t have the time to do that. You are ridiculous and you haven’t researched anything. You are a liar, a snob and a hypocrite. And usually the one saying “go get a job” doesn’t have one. You’re just some loser who lives with his parents and has to sneak out at night so you can get fucked. We get it already.
@Curty: Oh wow, peanut brain actually gave the Courts credit. First off, the majority of our victories have been in the court room.
Giancarlo85
@Curty: Oh wait I get it… his words are proof. This dumb kid is more stupid than I thought. He sounds exactly like Mike Huckabee and Bobby Jindal. His words are “gold”. How demented and sick.
Ladbrook
It’s true that people have evolved on LGBT issues over the years, so if Hillary is claiming that she fully supports us (SS marriage, adoption rights, ENDA, etc) then I am willing to believe her until she votes otherwise. Ditto for her husband, and others who voted to treat us as 2nd class citizen throughout the 90’s and the 00’s. I forgive them all.
With that in mind, I’ll vote for Biden or Sanders if they win the party’s nomination, but I will not vote for Hillary. Period. She’s a criminal, and she should be in prison. That’s it… period.
Curty
@Ladbrook: true. I Will vote for her if she is nominee. I hope if she gets elected she does right by us and continue the Obama legacy on glbt equality.
Curty
@Giancarlo85: If your lady is nominee I will vote for her. I hope she does right by the glbt community and this isn’t just a ploy for more votes.
Curty
@Giancarlo85: You’re a raving, nonsensical, delusional idiot. You got slammed by my facts and have nothing to show forth but a speech hahahaha. OBAMA repealed doma. Clinton supported it. Obama stop defending doma well before the court repealed it. Clinton supported it. Obama executive order to end discrimination on federal contractors. Obama more openly gay appointees and ambassadors than any President combine. Hilary has her work cut for her if she is to make good for the glbt community. One speech ain’t going to cut it. My lunch break over. Back to work unlike you. Sitting in ya mom basement waiting on your stamps and welfare check.
Giancarlo85
@Curty: Again, your words are proof for everything and you backed yourself simply by posting… must be pretty sad living in such a fanatical delusional word. You sound like ISIL and Mike Huckabee all rolled into one.
@Curty: Obama did not repeal DOMA. That was the Supreme Court that did it. Heck, Obama even had to get help from the Surpeme Court to maintain ACA. Whether or not Obama stopped defending DOMA is immaterial. It was up to the Supreme Court, and we need to thank the liberal judges (who you refuse to even mention by name). You are nothing more than a naive moron who has no clue about politics or history. You’re a raving idiot. You don’t work. You have never worked in your life.
Hillary didn’t support DOMA in the last decade.
Your lunch break? From what? Jacking off to porn? What a fucking loser. Now he’s insulting food stamps and welfare… what else is new. He really is a republican.
Giancarlo85
@Curty: By the way, I work part time, but I probably make more than you ever would because of my high hourly pay. I don’t need food stamps or welfare. However, your insults towards people on food stamps and welfare is well noted… you’re nothing more than a fucking republican plant. Go somewhere else and stop doing damage.
Curty
@Giancarlo85: Your endless rambling post suggest you are so nutty, delusional and probably a loner. Part time work? Who hired you. DOMA was an error I meant DADT. Your part time work is probably trying to hack computers and scam the system you are trying to live off. Welfare and stamps, piblic housing and free loading of your mommy and daddy. I’m not a Republican. I’m independent and obviously pro glbt.
Bisexual-Transwoman
@Simon Greenham: She is one.
youarekiddingme
The whole DOMA debate under Clinton is a moot point since Congress OVERWHELMINGLY passed the legislation (85–14 in the Senate and a vote of 342–67 in the House). Clinton’s veto would have meant NOTHING. Congress had the votes to override his veto. Congress could have (if they were so inclined) gone for a Constitutional Amendment making the definition of marriage between a man and a woman (they had the votes for that as well).
Clinton fucked up for sure, but he was the first President to speak out for LGBT rights and actually ran on the platform of allowing gays in the military (I know, DADT was a miserable failure–another compromise brought on by republican controlled congress).
The Tower of Power
I’m primarily an economic voter and I would take Hillary’s economic vision over the GOPs any day.
Since 1947, there have been 11 official recessions, totaling 49 recessionary quarters. Of those 49 quarters, just eight occurred under Democratic presidents, compared to 41 under Republicans. So, over the past 65 years, quarters in recession were about five times more common under a Republican president than under a Democratic president.
http://www.princeton.edu/~mwatson/papers/Presidents_Blinder_Watson_July2014.pdf
youarekiddingme
@The Tower of Power: Don’t present facts to Alistair…he’ll give you some op-ed piece or a magazine article that refutes your actual Princeton University study…
The Tower of Power
@youarekiddingme: I identify as a gay man and LGBT-rights are important to me, but my primary focus is on economic matters when it comes to voting, and there is research proving the economy grows more during Democratic presidencies.
Could it be that relaxing business regulations and lowering taxes primarily for wealthy people doesn’t lead to increased economic prosperity in underprivileged communities? Impoverished towns with high crime levels and lower education levels are not usually targets of economic investment by wealthy people, so the government-funded investments pushed by Democrats would spur economic growth in those places and help the economy overall.
The Tower of Power
@GayEGO: I came of age in the 1990s and I remember the Bill Clinton presidency very well. I believe 20 years later that Bill Clinton will be the best president of my lifetime. Although he did sign DOMA, it certainly would have passed Congress even if he vetoed it. In fact, if I were president I would have signed it because opposing it could have cost him reelection, and he would have been replaced with a Republican administration that was far more hateful towards LGBTs.
In the early-mid 1990s, gays and lesbians were a frequent political scapegoat, and being seen as too close to the community would have been career suicide.
I think Ellen Degeneres coming out in 1997 very much opened the door for LGBTs and I noticed a big cultural shift after that in which being gay was not seen as so scandalous as it had been earlier in the decade. In fact, I came out in 1998 and by then I didn’t experience much hostility.
youarekiddingme
@The Tower of Power: Completely agree. The republican idea of lowering taxes for the wealthy to stimulate the economic growth of the poor/middle class, makes no sense! Give the tax breaks directly to the people who need them.
You are so right. Big business is never interested in investing in impoverished areas. The turnarounds in small towns across America have been from small (mom and pop) businesses and people who actually care about their neighborhoods. The pharmaceutical companies, technology, R & D, etc., are not giving a second look to areas that are economically suffering…yet they are examples of industries who are receiving the biggest tax breaks from the government. It’s typical republican thinking though. Give breaks to the wealthy/big business and they will (of course–ha, ha) create more jobs in their businesses (they wouldn’t, for instance, give themselves raises or anything…nah).
The Tower of Power
@youarekiddingme: No, most wealthy people do not want to invest their money in areas with high levels of violence and drug dealing. It’s risky for them.
I live on a farm in a small town of about 6000 people. Probably 80% of the economic activity here centers around locally-owned business. There are a handful of large agricultural companies and one manufacturing plant here, but most of the economy here is based on small business, not wealthy companies.
youarekiddingme
@The Tower of Power: Wow…somebody finally understands the whole DOMA predicament. Clinton had no choice. Better political decision to sign it than veto it. Congress had the votes to override veto anyway. It probably did save his reelection.
Giancarlo85
@The Tower of Power: I strongly value jobs too. After all having a job is important in paying bills and rent. Republican presidents have only given us social and economic misery. I am a multifacted voter who cares about the environment, economy, equality and a variety of other issues. You make some strong points. Keep up the good work.
@Curty: For someone who hates republicans so much you use their same attacks, calling them freeloaders and shit. No moron, I do work in the sun everyday… Its labor intensive yet high paying work. And some office work too. But mainly my job is working outside.
The Tower of Power
@The Tower of Power: I think supporting DOMA and supporting welfare reform were two political necessities Clinton needed to do to be reelected. He had failed to reform the healthcare system, and the Republicans could have pointed to him as a leader with no achievements, despite the growing economy.
Bill Clinton was also far more popular amongst women voters than Bob Dole was, and that was the main demographic factor behind his election.
Giancarlo85
@Curty: You make a lot of errors in your posts. You don’t seem to have a strong grasp of facts. Your rhetoric screams of republican. I’m sorry that not everybody has a trust fund like you. You don’t work. You live off your trust fund. I work for a living. You sit on your pedestal attacking welfare and food stamps. Do you realize the massive majority of people on welfare and food stamps get them to pay for food for their family and that many of these same people also work many hours each week?
Your nasty vicious attacks on welfare is something a republican would do. Like Rush Limbaugh or Bill O’Reilly. You are definitely a REPUBLICAN. You should recognize that and be proud of the fact that you’re a self righteous greedy fool who has never worked a day in your life.
Giancarlo85
@The Tower of Power: “Bill Clinton was also far more popular amongst women voters than Bob Dole was, and that was the main demographic factor behind his election.”
That’s a fact I think Al Gore forgot in his election bid. It’s a shame. This nation would have been far better off with Al Gore as President. Well he was elected rightfully, and Bush was appointed. What a shame. I think the Supreme Court recognizes their own mistake.
Obama was elected and re-elected because of a mass majority of women voters. George Carlin was right… women tend to fuck things up less than men when it comes to voting choices. McCain and Romney would have been disasters.
Curty
@Giancarlo85: Me and my partner are business owners and work very hard. We are fortunate. You don’t work and seem to need mental health help with your rambling, delusional and fairytale creations of political history. You seem to have a hard knuckle hard. You support Hilary great… but to create a false narrative of her lack of pro glbt record is just insanity. She made a speech in 2011 and was finally endorsed same sex marriage in 2013. Obama, Biden been supported gay rights. Look at Obama’s record compared to your queen Hilary. Not even close. Get a Job Carlo. You attack anyone and everyone who has an opposing view to yours. You’re a cry baby too. Nothing is wrong with food stamps and welfare but I encourage you to work and stop free loading from the government and your parents. Now, me and my man are going out… carlo get a life. You attacked me and didn’t like when I presented my facts to your loony tune fairy tale creations of this ultra gay supportive Hilary and Bill Clinton. Please go read a book and stop the denial. Denial isn’t good. But truthful when its time to present facts.
Curty
@jar: The courts repealed DOMA but Obama directed AG to stop defending the discriminatory law back in 2011. Obama repealed DADT in December 2010. Educate yourself.
Curty
@The Tower of Power: Bill Clinton apologist. Bill denied loving couples rights for almost two decades that republicans defended for years. He signed dadt that kicked out thousands of capable gay men and women to work in our military. Whatever reason why he did it, it was cowardly and wrong. Thankful Obama came in office defending gay rights and made changes and got things through along with the public and courts. Clinton is no ally of gay community. He was an enemy and at the time bragged about his strong opposition to glbt rights. Fuck Bill.
The Tower of Power
@Curty: @Curty: “You go to war with the army you have, not the army you want.”
That means you have to make best with the situation you are in, and the law would have passed even without his support.
Giancarlo85
@Curty: You are NOT in any business. You are at home most of the day and you are probably 17 or 18. You were fortunate enough to have a trust fund. Not everyone is afforded that. Your nasty attacks on people who use food stamps and welfare is well noted. Keep in mind the majority of people who use food stamps and welfare are REQUIRED to work as a precondition in getting assistance. I don’t get it because I don’t want to and I make far too much.
I’m not creating a false narrative. Everything I have said is 100% factual. What is OBama’s record? Again changing some State Department rule to include same sex couples is a minor change. THE community won many of its battles in the Court Room (thanks to legal groups like Lambda Legal). Why do you refuse to give Lambda legal and others credit? Do you hate them too?
I have a job, so shut it with that stupid tired attack. You’re on here more than me. And if you’re in your own business… I find that inconsistent. You said you were on your lunch break… meaning you don’t own a business and probably work for one.
“You’re a cry baby too. ”
Look in the mirror. You got utterly smashed in this debate, and you are still whining about it. And then you attack me for supposedly taking government assistance (which I have never done as I have no need to do so). I also have no financial support from my family because I never asked for any. I worked throughout college to pay my own loans. I work now too.
” I encourage you to work and stop free loading from the government and your parents.”
Same old nasty republican attack. First off, who is free loading? If you think I am, I ask you to prove it. I pay all my bills with my own hard earned money. I already told you what I do (I check the integrity of utility lines).
” You attacked me and didn’t like when I presented my facts to your loony tune fairy tale creations of this ultra gay supportive Hilary and Bill Clinton. ”
You have never once presented ANY FACTS or EVIDENCE to back any of your claims.
” Please go read a book and stop the denial. Denial isn’t good. But truthful when its time to present facts.”
Your entire life is around denial and stupidity.
You don’t have a “man” and you don’t have a business. You only have your hand, and a part time pizza delivery job (you should thank your parents for giving you a car).
@Curty: That doesn’t mean anything. You are uneducated.
@Curty: The stupid kid keeps attacking and attacking anyone who defends Bill Clinton. For one, DADT was a compromise and he had little choice when nearly all republicans and many democrats were against gay people at the time. You are a fool who knows nothing about history. Fuck you.
Giancarlo85
The little man is going out… to get his butt pummeled as usual. He doesn’t have a man and certainly doesn’t have a business. He’s just a loser who picks fights with everyone. He calls everyone a Bill Clinton apologist. Apparently this moron lived under a rock in the 1990s.
youarekiddingme
@Curty: Whatever reason he did it? Read history man! It was a compromise because of the majority held republican congress. You tell me exactly how YOU would handle a republican controlled congress if you were president. Exactly what tactic would you use to defeat DOMA when they already had their 2/3 majority vote to override his veto. He was the first president to even speak of LGBT rights, much less try to do anything about them.
He “bragged” about his strong opposition to glbt rights…Where do you get that from?
Please, The Tower of Power didn’t call you anything, so don’t resort to the name-calling that you admonish Giancarlo with either…
Giancarlo85
@youarekiddingme: Curty is about as bad as BJ McFrisky and Alistair… he makes everything up. He couldn’t provide a source about Hillary being ordered to give the speech in 2011 to the UN by Obama, and he can’t provide a source about his claim on Bill Clinton.
Careful though… he’ll call you a free loader. Typical republican attack.
youarekiddingme
@Giancarlo85: Not worried about being called a free loader. I have plenty of proof quite to the contrary.
Giancarlo85
@The Tower of Power: True. The law would have passed because just about all republicans supported it and quite a few democrats did too. That’s a veto proof majority.
youarekiddingme
@Giancarlo85: God, that’s what I said about 45 posts ago in my first statement!! My exact quote was “veto proof”. I did notice that there were no arguments with me on that statement…whatsoever.
Giancarlo85
@youarekiddingme: But it’s all Bill’s fault.
Curty
@Giancarlo85: More ranting and raving and stupid arguments that make no sense and don’t have any facts. But anyway keep arguing with yourself and your made up facts. Typical nutty lonely, dysfunctional loser on the web all day to troll others when they face facts or statements are questioned. Look at other post on you here. Its always same thing. You attack someone, they attack back and you go on and on and on… you need to get help seriously dude. For the record I do have a business with my partner. I’m not 17 or 18… I pay a house payment, car bill, insurance…food, bills… etc something you know nothing about. Bye loser… now keep on ranting and raving and calling names and talk to yourself like you do all day in ya mom and dads basement… and yes it is Bill’s fault. He could have took a stand and he didn’t. He failed. DADT, DOMA… which was defended by his wife Hilary for years. Obama has been against DADT, DOMA and discrimination against glbts a lot longer than The Clinton’s. Bernie sanders has supported gay rights since 1970’s he has done a lot more for the glbt community than Hilary. She has NO pro glbt record. Obama does and sanders. Biden voted yes for DOMA. Sanders voted NO. That’s leadership. Goodbye carlo. Hope this fed your twisted appetite for online arguments for the last two days… next time don’t attack me on another post… you will lose and get handed to. Bye loser…
Curty
Clinton approved his opposition to glbts in 15 states doing reelection. Do your research. Most Christian conservative stations on radio. Guys, you have google. Use it.@youarekiddingme:
Giancarlo85
@Curty: Again he’s yapping away repeating the same old nonsense. He has never supported his statements. He talks like a teenager. I think he was born in 1995 or 1996. I’m not no here all day. You’re the one who has never backed up any of your statements. You are pathetic. A terrible little kid who has nothing in his life.
And he keeps saying “bye, bye, bye, bye” yet he keeps posting. He’s always posting the same old nonsense. You don’t pay for a house. You live with your parents. Bill could have took a stand? No he couldn’t. You want to know why? It’s called a VETO PROOF MAJORITY. Quite a few democrats and almost all republicans were in favor of DOMA. You’re a loser who made up everything. You get your ideas of votes wrong.
“Hope this fed your twisted appetite for online arguments for the last two days… next time don’t attack me on another post… you will lose and get handed to. ”
You didn’t handle anyone. You screwed up. You even have some facts about who voted for what wrong.
@Curty: Yet you’re an idiot who posts ZERO proof for anything.
Giancarlo85
” and yes it is Bill’s fault. He could have took a stand and he didn’t. He failed. DADT, DOMA… which was defended by his wife Hilary for years.”
This is a total lie. And no it wasn’t defended by Hillary. You’re a FUCKING LIAR. YOU LIE ABOUT EVERYTHING AND YOU HAVE NO PROOF FOR ANYTHING. You’re an inept impotent liar.
Giancarlo85
Keep asking this runt for evidence… and never provides any.
This runt must be into S&M. Getting beaten to a pulp in debates every single time.
youarekiddingme
@Curty: Your sentence makes NO SENSE! Did you mean to say, “Clinton PROVED…” vs approved?
I don’t know how to respond to your next two statements: “Do your research. Most Christian conservative stations on radio.”
Do my research on what? Most Christian conservative station on radio and….what about them? Trying to make a point here?
You didn’t answer my earlier post either. What would you have done if you were President and you were faced with a 2/3 vote of Congress to override your veto on DOMA Legislation? How would you “fight” that? You mentioned that in one of your earlier posts. Please explain how you would fight that situation if you were President because I know a little about how the checks and balance of government works and the President has NO POWER in that situation whatsoever. The 2/3 majority was designed that way to prevent tyranny.
Curty
@Giancarlo85: Have conversations to himself again. His life is dedicated to being the loudest commentator on queerty, how pathetic! Lol… keep talking to yourself psycho.
The Tower of Power
@Curty: Now now, name calling is a sign of losing an argument. It’s never necessary. It’s rule number one in law school.
The Tower of Power
@Curty: Do you like my Hillary music video??
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=adzkyretz6k
Giancarlo85
@The Tower of Power: Well I think this guy forgot a lot of rules when it comes to debating. He resorts to red herrings and completely unproveable arguments. He told me “Barack Obama ordered Hillary to give that pro-LGBT speech to the UN”. I asked him for proof and never got any.
@Curty: The only psycho here is you… with your delusions of a boyfriend. You only have your hand.
Curty
@Giancarlo85: I think you met yourself. You don’t have anyone but ya mom’s basement, which you sit in all day waiting for your stamps and welfare check. Your bitterness is because you are a failure in life and you direct your anger on here. Look at your other post on here. You’re miserable. You’re a delusional clown. Pathetic.
Curty
@The Tower of Power: You’re a woman? The video was ok.
Cam
This is all a red hearing. I couldn’t give a crap at this point except, who will do what now.
Now: Clinton pushed pro-gay rules changes at the State Dept. and says she supports gay marriage and would not of course try to repeal any gay rights laws.
Now: Every single GOP candidate says they oppose gay marriage, and nearly every single one says they support changing the U.S. constitution to directly attack LGBTs.
There is literally nothing to discuss with any regard to the GOP or Hillary. So Log Cabiners give it up.
The only possibility for discussion would be in the Dem Primary between Hillary and Sanders supporters.
Giancarlo85
@Curty: And now the little boy is repeating the same thing over again and now insulting people who take food stamps and welfare, once again.
I’ve already made it very clear. I don’t need food stamps or welfare. That is for families who can barely afford to pay skyrocketing rents.
How am I a failure at life? I have both a BA and MA Degree, and have a nice job. You’re the real failure in life. You don’t own a business. You don’t have a boyfriend. No guy would want to even fuck you.
Giancarlo85
@Curty: Wow. So it’s a surprise to you a female would come to this site? Man, you’re not only a republican… you’re a misogynist too.
Curty
@Giancarlo85: You don’t have no education. All of that is lies. And yes I fuck my boyfriend very well thank you very much. Now stfu and get your welfare check.
Curty
@Giancarlo85: What have you been smoking? What drugs are you on? Are you a woman and I never said anything about women at all. I happen to respect women very much and they have been very influential in my life, particularly my Mother and my dearly departed Grandma. Now you call me a misogynist… wtf? You are so fucked up and the head you know that…
youarekiddingme
@Curty: Here are a few quick questions…
Why didn’t you answer the one thing that I asked you twice? What would you have done if you were President and you were faced with a 2/3 vote of Congress to override your veto on DOMA Legislation? How would you “fight” that? Would you “veto” the bill (like pissin in the wind) and have your veto overridden anyway? Would you risk the possibility of Congress getting pissed off at you for your veto and then have them take a vote on a Constitutional Amendment (which they also had the votes to support)? What would you have done in that situation (remembering you have 20/20 hindsight)?
youarekiddingme
@Curty: Btw, telling someone “You don’t have NO education…”, vs You don’t have ANY education…doesn’t help your case against him. Proper grammar in this instance is helpful!
Curty
@youarekiddingme: Veto. He did it and enjoyed and was opposed to marriage equality and at the time had his campaign do ads that said he was against Glbt rights. He did nothing for glbt and signed and advocated for two federal discriminatory laws that set back gay rights for years, after he courted and lied to voters while Running for president. Its a shame when people defend discrimination based on race, gender, religion and sexual orientation like you do. I do not respect people like Bill Clinton who used his office to demean glbt people as second class citizens and that was what he and that congress did.
youarekiddingme
@Curty: The whole “welfare check” thing is really getting worn out. I have known many unfortunate people over my lifetime who have had to rely on a temporary “leg up” to help them during tough times in their lives. In the years before unionized labor (and now with the tide turning against unions), if you were injured on the job and couldn’t perform, you were simply “let go”. There were many others who could replace you. Without public assistance, many families would have starved to death.
Today, without public assistance, if you are injured while off the job (and have no supplemental insurance to cover your wages), the same thing can happen. You can be without your wages, lose your car, possibly your house, not be able to feed your family and so on. I would rather have my taxes go to public assistance (Welfare) than building $50 Billion tanks we don’t need or $500 hammers!
Remember, Trump’s Daddy made his Millions during the depression years while his company started going into the shitter. How? He took advantage of the new GOVERNMENT FHA Program! He took advantage of the government and made millions. We’re talking about people using the program to feed their families. Please don’t tell me about the fraud…I know about it. Every program has fraud, but the number of people that it helps outweigh the insignificant numbers who cheat the system. It’s no different than the criminal justice system. I’d rather see 1,000 guilty men get off free, than 1 innocent man be convicted! Our system is designed that way.
So please. Spare me the welfare insults. If you don’t like welfare…move to another country (communist perhaps)?
youarekiddingme
@Curty: You have no fucking idea what you’re talking about! You want to personally attack me by saying I defend descrimination…you sack of shit!! You know nothing about me or what I’ve done. While you sit at home, pick your nose, read about history and what others have done, I was actually there (along with others on this site).
While you are BEGINNING your career, I have had 2 successful careers. I served my country prior to Clinton serving as President and after and I have a unique perspective that YOU will never have. Until you GROW UP and GROW A PAIR, I would suggest that you voice your opinions and keep your personal attacks to yourself.
youarekiddingme
@Curty: Forgot to reply to the rest of your post. Veto and get it overridden…ok. Maybe even piss off Congress and have them start a Constitutional Amendment defining marriage as between a man and woman. Ok. I guess we won’t know the answer to that one.
I would love to see the “ads” that said he was againstl glbt rights. Never saw those. Could you provide me with those?
Giancarlo85
@Curty: You hate women. You showed that by your display of shock that a woman is on this site. I am not female. I’m androgynous and refuse to identify as any gender (though I was born male).
@Curty: You ain’t no genius. LOL!!!! Ain’t sounds just as bad as your statement!
You keep viciously attacking welfare. You are a republican. By the way, I have two degrees. Stop trying to undermine my education.
@Curty: Again little one, Clinton would have seen any veto easily overturned. Your lies about Bill Clinton are being repeated ad nauseam. Not at any point in time have you backed up any of your statements.
Giancarlo85
@youarekiddingme: “If you don’t like welfare…move to another country (communist perhaps)?”
I would actually suggest he moves to Spain… the country has been so successfully screwed over by the conservative government. Their unemployment rate remains stubbornly high, despite recent superficial growth.
Curty is pro-austerity… from what I’ve seen of his statements. Austerity has destroyed countries.
I have two degrees I worked my ass off getting. I have a good job. I speak for myself. I don’t need some wretched despicable person talking for me.
youarekiddingme
@Giancarlo85: The piece of shit has the balls to try to reprimand you about attacking his character and then the weasel turns around and does the same to me!! Fuckin hypocrite! I never said a negative, disparaging remark about him…until he attacked me. Now he deserves what he gets. Ten fold. Right-Wing, Conservative, Republican, Ted Cruz, Ball-Licking Scum Bag!
9000eliot
Right Wing trolls on a gay news site? How sad is THAT?
Giancarlo85
@youarekiddingme: He won’t even admit he’s a republican… yet the way he attacks food stamps and welfare shows he clearly is. He uses that to attack me, even though I have never taken food stamps and welfare. If some people need to so they can put food on the table for their families I respect that. Often people in this country can barely afford to pay for rent, so it’s a necessity. Anyways, curty is a horrible person with malicious intentions. Best to simply ignore him.