@strumpetwindsock: Whatever. I plainly said in the post you referred to that “(i)f anyone in California wants to smash some windows and burn some cars today…I encourage them to do so.” I don’t see where you get the idea that it isn’t something I would do myself.
I also said this: “If we inject a little fear into their equation, then they reconsider victimizing us in the future.”
Their equation paints us as ineffectual, pacifist doormats who will not stand up for ourselves and bring the fight to our enemies. If we introduce a tinge of fear into their world-views, it changes the rules of the game and gives us the advantage.
I also said this: “The pacifist approach, though it may work given enough time, is ineffectual in the short-term, if not outright damaging.”
I never said the pacifist approach doesn’t work, only that it takes a long time to work. It is, indeed, ineffectual in the short-term, because it is based entirely on waiting patiently for rights to be given, rather than taking direct action and demanding the equality we deserve right now. Pacifism works a lot better when people see what the alternative is. It’s us radicals that get things done because of our “extremism.”
Why, you may ask? Here’s the answer. Radicals are seen as dangerous, destructive, and a little (or a lot) crazy. We shake things up, cause a ruckus, and light a fire, and our enemies quake a little. That’s when you pacifist mainstreamers step in and “save the day.” The enemy is so relieved to hear someone speaking “rationally” that they are more inclined to listen to the message being delivered. But that fear…that’s a healthy motivator for them, always in the back of their minds. They deal with people like you to get people like me to sit down and shut up. That’s the way it is. If being seen as irrational will result in equality for myself and my people, then I’m more than willing to be the bad guy for either side. That is true heroism, not marching down a police-cordoned street, chanting pithy slogans and waving placards and begging, please, pretty please, treat us like human beings.
“But speaking generally it pisses me off that people are ridiculing and getting angry at those who have done the non-violent work that has gotten us this far.”
And, speaking generally, it pisses me off that people are ridiculing and getting angry at those of us who have done the work of keeping the roots of the movement alive. Stonewall was a riot, not a group hug. Let’s not forget that.
“Did violence or the threat of it gain victories in the states where marriage equality is recognized?”
Of course not, because it was not necessary. We’re talking about some generally liberal places. Come to Ohio and see what peaceful protest gets you: a pat on the head, maybe a tiny blurb buried on page ten of the paper, and a whole lot of nothing.
“Did it have anything to do with the ground gained so far in the fight in California?”
It also had nothing to do with the ground lost in California. That’s all on you guys.
“Whether you boys are just talking out your asses, or whether some fool is going to take you seriously and actually commit some horrible act, the only thing you are going to accomplish is to fuck things up for all of us and undo the work that has already been done.”
Horrible is relative. Every hero is someone else’s villain. Show me where a little property destruction and/or light violence has undone our work for equality. It hasn’t. At all. and it never will, because in the end, it is necessary, just as pacifism is. You can’t have a one-pronged fork and expect to hold onto anything for very long. California proves that.