Woe is the homophobe in the Air Force these days.
Earlier this week, Todd Starnes at Fox News reported that several Evangelical Christian airmen at Lackland Air Force Base in San Antonio, Texas have been facing “severe threats” for publicly expressing their opposition to gay marriage.
“There is an atmosphere of intimidation at Lackland Air Force Base,” Steve Branson, the pastor of Village Parkway Baptist Church in San Antonio told Fox News. “Gay commanders and officers are pushing their agenda on the airmen. There is a culture of fear in the military and it’s gone to a new level with the issue of homosexuality.”
A “culture of fear”? Like, a phobia? Like, homophobia?
How about we take this to the next level?
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“The religious persecution is happening,” Branson exclaimed. “It’s getting bigger every day. Gay and lesbian airmen can talk about their lifestyle.”
Branson claims at least 80 airmen attended a private, standing-room only meeting held at his church, where airmen voiced their concerns about religious hostilities at the Air Force base.
“Guys who are good men are afraid to do anything because it will hurt them, cost them their career,” Branson lamented.
Generally speaking, when a person chooses to make inflammatory or offensive comments in the workplace, it can result in disciplinary action. Just ask Paula Deen. We’re not sure why Branson or his gaggle of 80 airmen are so shocked by this.
Retired Gen. Jerry Boykin also weighed in on the conversation, telling Fox News he was not surprised to hear about the “assault on religious liberty” within the Armed Forces, saying: “There is an orchestrated attack on Christians in the military and at this stage the Air Force is the worst.”
Master Sgt. Phillip Monk has been made the poster child for Branson and others. They claim he has been unfairly punished for his religious convictions earlier this year after disagreeing with a superior, who they’ve been careful to point out “was a lesbian”, about his personal views on gay marriage.
“The senior master sergeant was relieved of his duties after he refused her order to disclose his personal opinion about gay marriage,” Starnes reports.
Conflicting reports indicate that Monk was not relieved of his duties, but reassigned. And it wasn’t because he refused to disclose his personal opinion or disagreed with his superior’s views on gay marriage. It was because he was broadcasting his personal views to new trainees, which his superior asked him not to do.
After being reassigned, Monk wasted no time hitting the media circuit and sharing his tale of woe.
Branson called Monk a “casualty of the war” against Evangelical Christians in the Armed Forces. He then went on to say: “The consensus at our meeting was that if things don’t change, good men will be leaving the military. It will be a tragedy for our country and our military.”
Yes, what on Earth will we do with fewer homophobic wingnuts in our Armed Forces?
In true Fox News fashion, Starnes concluded his article with a warning to readers about President Obama, who is, of course, entirely to blame for all of this unrest:
“The persecution of Master Sgt. Monk and the countless unnamed individuals at Lackland Air Force Base should serve as a warning to all Americans,” writes Starnes. “If the Obama administration’s Pentagon can take away their religious liberty – they can take away ours.”
BJ McFrisky
Yeah, we get it. Fox News is an evil empirical overlord. Christians are murderous savages who fantasize of killing us all. Blah, blah, and yawn.
MK Ultra
@BJ McFrisky: Well, Christians in the Military seem to be the most psychotic and sadistic of all.
They are the ones that use rape, torture, and murder as advanced forms of coercion on men, women, and even children in other countries and give the whole Military a bad name.
So if that’s what you got from the article I completely agree.
2eo
Good, I’m all for attacking religious beliefs and pushing them out of positions where they murder us. They can not be trusted to act fairly and adhere to the rule of law, homosexuality is natural.
Religion is a chosen poison perpetuated by the fundamentally stupid.
avesraggiana
Oh, poor baby.. Look at the good, upstanding, Christian heterosexuals being bullied by those wicked, evil and ungodly homosexuals. No one should have to put up with such un-Christian behaviour.
EdgarCarpenter
This is so sad – militant Christians can’t impose their views about homosexuals on other people any more. What’s next, an end to witch burning?
BJ McFrisky
@MK Ultra: Not to mention all of the gay men & women who’ll die or be imprisoned by Islamic nations in just the next week, just because they happen to be gay. Funny how you have a similar POV as al Queada terrorists when it comes to homosexuals, but use the U.S. military as a convenient patsy.
Cite for me any similar slaughter done in the name of Christianity vs. those committed by radical Islam, I’m happy to listen. I’m talking physical violence here, not theoretic animosity. I might have been asleep the day when crazy, religiously-fueled wacky Christians flew jets into skyscrapers, but I’m happy to be enlightened by you if they did.
Dakotahgeo
It just warms my heart to see the shoe on the other foot for once. Let’s clear up one misconception: The evangelicals are NOT Christian! They are simply charter members of the present-day American christian Taliban… and there is no cure for that. Just ignore them and pray for them! They’ll die off sooner or later, preferably the sooner!
jwrappaport
Religious liberty doesn’t mean you get to peddle your Bronze-Age superstitions to humiliate your fellow airmen. Religious liberty doesn’t mean you get to preach hatred and contempt for people whose lives you know nothing about. Religious liberty doesn’t mean you get to destroy people’s lives and rob them of their dignity so that you can feel better about yourself.
These people disgust me viscerally, and they are an embarrassment to any uniform. I am glad that they feel alienated and persecuted.
jwrappaport
@Dakotahgeo: Pray for them? Surely not. You’re welcome to, but I wish them nothing but strife and failure. As the Hitch said, “You can pray for my enemies. You can pray for theocratic fascists. I won’t. I want to destroy them.”
Also, you make a bold statement. Who are you to arbitrate the question of who is and is not a Christian? I would hazard a guess and say they would level the same charge against you, i.e., that you are not a Christian.
MK Ultra
@BJ McFrisky: Umm, dude, the story is about Christian soldiers in the US military saying that if they can’t harass, attack, and intimidate their fellow gay soldiers who are putting their lives on the line for their country, then they no longer care about defending the US.
mlbumiller
Do not know what the hell they are teaching in boot camp anymore, but when I went through in ’86
1. you don’t talk politics or bad mouth in public those appointed above your or the Commander in Chief.
2. Keep your religious views to yourself. You are now part of the state you are to keep the church and state separate.
3. If you feel a need to bad mouth a minority group, keep it to yourself, you wear the uniform to give all people of the USA their constitutional rights and to uphold all federal law. If you do not like a minority tuff shit, suck it up or get out the military. The military is run by the Dept of Defense, not a Pope, Deacon, Priest, Minister, Guru, etc. Out of uniform expound your view in your home or place of worship, in uniform your “religious” guide is the Uniform Code of Military Justice, Military Instructions and the Orders given to you.
murphy0071
@mlbumiller: Very well put. Why are these particular “Evangelical” airmen even still in the service. They have no right to put forth their uninformed and ignorant viewpoint regarding those of other sexual orientations which are natural to them, their biochemistry, biology, personality, and appropriate attractions to those of the same sex. The problem is these airmen think that the Bible is a science guide. They are being disruptive of good order and discipline and should be dishonorably discharged or given psychiatric discharges if they are truly homophobic which is counter productive to good order and discipline. Since they want to broadcast their views outside their religious group, they have breached the sacred divide between State and Church and have been unfaithful to their allegiance to the Constitution of the United States of America.
Dakotahgeo
@jwrappaport: (Yawwwwwwwwnnnn). Machts nicht.
NSB2244
I hope that just as many of these homophobes are kicked out as many gay men and women were kicked out simply for being gay.
tdgaustin
ugh..whine, whine…such “real” men.
Dakotahgeo
@mlbumiller: @murphy0071: You are BOTH precisely on point. I could not have said it better. Kudos to you both!
Nraged79
Oh, the memories of my Air Force days. People that share his view is why I was kicked out under DADT. Hopefully, one day, my LGBT military brothers and sisters can serve without discrimination perpetrated by religious bigots.
EricNYCity
And I suppose the Ku Klux Klan are being persecuted for not being allowed to promote their views! … awww those poor Christians!
jwrappaport
@Dakotahgeo: Ach, du bist meshugganah.
Dakotahgeo
@jwrappaport: lolol… Vielen dank! (with a twist of Yiddish!).
Cam
@BJ McFrisky:
And RIGHT ON SCHEDULE BJ is here to automatically take the side of whomever is attacking gays.
Your issues are so deep you must have been potty trained at gunpoint.
Did you ever ask yourself why your initial knee jerk reaction is ALWAYS to take the side of whoever is against gays? Perhaps you should.
dsharpark
@2eo:
2eo: “Religion is a chosen poison perpetuated by the fundamentally stupid.”
Baby, you can’t think that way. Remember most of these people are in the religion their in simply because they were born into a family that practiced that religion (if they had been born in the middle east, they’d be Muslims… and if they had been born in Antarctica, they’d be penguins). You shouldn’t hate someone because of the situation they were born into. In the 80’s, many were still coming to terms with inter-racial marriage; it’s just a matter of time, patience and perseverance. No reason to resort to hating them. They know not what they do.
2eo
People have rights, faith isn’t a right, it isn’t even a legitimate thing. Ergo it is invalid. Humans count.
Harley
@BJ McFrisky: Christians may not have flown planes into buildings but they surely dragged thousands, if not millions, into dungeons for a thousand years and tortured and murdered anyone not Christian. I would have rather died on a plane quickly than to be put on a rack, drawn and quartered, tortured then murdered in “the god Lords name.”
2eo
@Harley: They did the holocaust, which in retrospect is a little bit worse. Also genocide in Rwanda and old Yugoslavia, Congo and Zimbabwe.
Cam
Also, if you guys all notice, the right wing sympathizers have accomplished their mission.
We are off topic. Nobody is pointing out how the Christians in the military are crying that they are not being allowed to be bigots. That, they are saying not being able to attack others makes them a victim.
BJ McFrisky
@Cam: So very wrong of you. I’ve never been against gays (Jesus H, I AM one), I’m just a proponent for common sense. You tend to view the world through a prism of victimhood, and therefore see only your own weaknesses against a world of bullies. How come whenever someone calls us names, they’re bigots, but when you do the same, it’s suddenly righteous?
@Harley: You bring up iniquities committed by Christians a thousand years ago as a reasonable retort? Hey, that’s a great argument! I guess that means you also prejudge anyone with German ancestry, or Russian, or Italian, or anywhere else that atrocities were committed . . . thousands of years ago. Sorry, but I live in the present, and Christians don’t threaten to kill me because I don’t follow their religion—Muslims do. Yet you find Christianity more threatening. How progressive of you.
Dakotahgeo
@BJ McFrisky: You are spot on the mark on both comments! You said it better than I’ve read in a long time. I quit entertaining the comments of most gay people because they/we are, at times, just as guilty as the opposite side of the coin when posting. If I am a victim, I probably, in some way, shape, or form, asked for it. I am no longer a victim!! And that is really what pisses the conservative right wing naysayers and over-the-top left wingers off. They no longer have a target!
MK Ultra
@Dakotahgeo: “If I am a victim, I probably, in some way, shape, or form, asked for it”
Wow, that says it all, really….
2eo
@MK Ultra: I was shouted down and attacked for pointing out he was a paedophile baptist, his own words prove it.
He said exactly the same in the child suicide thread 3 days ago.
Cam
@BJ McFrisky: said….
“@Cam: So very wrong of you. I’ve never been against gays (Jesus H, I AM one), I’m just a proponent for common sense. You tend to view the world through a prism of victimhood, and therefore see only your own weaknesses against a world of bullies. How come whenever someone calls us names, they’re bigots, but when you do the same, it’s suddenly righteous?”
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Nice try there BJ, but what you did NOT do in your comment is explain first why you were defending the folks this post was about and secondly why your initial response on any posting here is automatically to take the side of the folks attacking gays.
If you do not automatically support gays, then without any qualifications please, by all means let us know in a straightforward manner how you feel about the folks in the military mentioned here complaining about not being allowed to discriminate against gays.
You claim you don’t automatically take the side of folks who hate gays? Fine, here is your chance to explain your thoughts on the group mentioned in this posting.
Let’s hear it.
Cam
Correction to last post, if you do not automatically support ANTI-gay folks.
Dakotahgeo
@MK Ultra: Not quite, but thank you!
Dakotahgeo
@2eo: LOLOL… 1) No longer Baptist; 2) Never have been, am not now, never will be… a pedophile! You lose… twice, Bigot!
2eo
Today I’ve learned that being against child abuse and christian bullying and genocide makes me a bigot.
Dakotahgeo
@Cam: Contrary to popular belief, this thread and commenters owe you… nothing!!! Commenters such as you and 2eo will always be called on the carpet when you post silly innuendos and false accusations. People on the internet aren’t as stupid and ignorant as you would like to believe. BJ McFrisky owes you… nothing!
BJ McFrisky
@Dakotahgeo: Well said.
@Cam: It’s pretty simple, Cam. I don’t “automatically support gays” on every issue simply because I share the same sexuality, just like I don’t “automatically support” all white people simply because I share the same skin tone, nor do I “automatically support” all males simply because we have the same equipment. There’s an article on Queerty today about the worst gays of all time, so allow me to ask: Do you “automatically support” all of them just because they’re gay? Your argument for “automatically supporting gays” just bombed big-time.
(in answer to your demand that I explain myself, well, I’ve done that too many times for you and you just keep asking the same question over and over, but: I’ll always defend the armed forces, especially on a subject as pressing as hurting someone’s feelings with words)
Cam
@BJ McFrisky:
BJ, no, I didn’t ask you why you didn’t “Automatically Support Gays” what I asked is why you do the exact opposite and always post something to either attack gays, or support the anti-gay folks being talked about.
What I ALSO notice is that you ignored the OTHER question I asked completely. Which was, please tell us how you feel about these anti-gay folks in the military claiming they are victims because they aren’t allowed to discriminate.
Interesting that you keep avoiding answering that isn’t it? Especially of course, after you have done your utmost on this post to take attention away from the fact that they are the central fact of this article.
So again, how do you feel about them? Or will you just ignore that question AGAIN because it upsets you to say anything against the anti-gay bigots this article is about?
2eo
At least the right wingers are exposing their idiocy for the world to see.
Dako
BJ McFrisky
Dxley
Fagburn
Sad they’re still allowed to troll forums used by actual gay people.
Dakotahgeo
@2eo: Well, that’s kinda what happens in a free country… freedom of speech. My dear partner will be happy to know we’re not actual gay people, LOLOL. And your partner is?? A fire hydrant lover, maybe? 😉
BJ McFrisky
@2eo: It’s true. You’re right. Your intellectual superiority humbles me. I’m not worthy of your attention. I’ll go away. Forever. Promise. Starting now. However, if someone else adopts my name and posts opinions similar to mine, hey, I can’t very well help that, can I, old chap?
ps – Your insistence that anyone who disagrees with you on this site must be a right-wing hetero impostor exposes your ignorance of human behavior.
@Cam: Bigots are bad, bad people who should have their toes broken and bubble-gum stuck in their pubes. Happy now?
sirald66
My gaydar is going off on Monk. Repress and burn in Ikea Hell, as god intended, Sgt.
TrekBear
Lackland AFB? Why am I not surprised! There was a sex scandal there a couple of years back between commanding officers and their juniors.
I was there last year to attend my Dad who had surgery. There are at least four major churches on base and religious literature is everywhere.
2eo
@TrekBear: Yep, much like in the UK there is a direct correlation between the concentration of religious practitioners and r@pes and suicides on military bases.
Chris Vogel
In 1948, when President Truman ordered that the US armed forces be integrated, there was a lot of hostility, that is, adamant racism including violence, from white personnel, especially those from the South, Oklahoma and Texas. They insisted, of course–as Christians always do–that this was fully justified by the Bible. Now, it’s gays, but the attitudes are the same. Religious conservatives always believe that they are entitled to do and say whatever they want. Modern secular governments do not permit their traditional responses to difference (torture and mass murder), so whining is what is left.
Lawerence
Things like this always remind me of the cartoon where demonic repugnant lying delusional greedy selfish arrogant irrational soulless zombie Rethuglican sheeple are nailing a gay man to a cross, the caption. Stop squirming! Your oppressing our “religious freedom”! How these subhuman frauds can say they are of Jesus Christ is truly disturbing! They’re so far from the message of Christ, it’s truly, truly frightening!
Wake up People! These soulless zombie sheeple, in America, they are Rethuglican and they can never be trusted. They’ll smile in your face and stab you in the back.
Jerry12
Anyone who will believe that a “MAN” rose up into the sky, without wearing a jet pack, until he disipeared, will believe any nonsense thrown at him. Religion is the oppiet of the feeble minded and very, very, stupid.
andy_d
@BJ McFrisky: “Cite for me any similar slaughter done in the name of Christianity . . .” Russians due to the Eastern Orthodox Church’s stance against GLBTQ that is currently occuring . . .
avesraggiana
No single nationality or religion has ever had a monopoly on inflicting unspeakable cruelty on their fellow human beings. Europeans, Africans, Asians, Arabs, Christians, Muslims, Jews, Hindus and Buddhists, to name but a very few, all have been guilty of violence and even genocide against all those who are not as they are, or against those who do not believe as they do.
Dakotahgeo
@Jerry12: opiate… OPIATE! Do you have Spellcheck? That’s the program that underlines your spelling errors in red. (Now you know.).
fredhotman
Oh ! Oh ! Oh ! Wow is me the shoe is on the other foot & it hurts.
What hypocrites how “manly “& Christian it must be to persecute other.
Shame your education does not teach behaviour except to parroty as a parrot.
Aaron
COME ON GUYS, don’t be mean! I totes feel bad for these straight, white male, conservative, Christians who are like totes being persecuted for openly reaffirming their cultural dominance and casting judgement on minorities such as the gays. Like, for reals guys.
Seriously, it’s not like they’re perversely using the Bible as a crutch to validate their personal discomfort and fear of male homosexuality.
CeciliaRooney
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Cam
@BJ McFrisky:
No BJ, actually I asked you to comment directly on the people that this article was written about. You have tried to dodge commenting on them multiple times.
The fact that you cannot even directly comment on the folks in the military using their Christianity as an excuse to hate gays shows without doubt your agenda.
So not only do you automatically jump to defend anybody who is attacking gays, you can’t even bring yourself to directly comment on the Christian bigots that this article was written about.
drulandian
@BJ McFrisky: Well, let’s look at the Crusades. They were started by the Christians. The Great Inquisition was done by Christians. During the Holocaust Christians killed Jews, Gays, Twins, non-Aryans, etc. Christians prevent Gays from having marital rights in the United States when it is not Christian-only institution. Christians setback the education and tolerance in the United States as a whole causing children to be bullied and commit suicide. It is a historical fact that more people have died in the name of Christianity then any other religion.
One thing you forget in this article is that we have Separation of Church and State. The Military is a State run organization. Church is a luxury given to those Airmen. In the Military, the rules come first. Not religion or their beliefs.
BJ McFrisky
@drulandian: Newsflash: We’re living in the 21st century. Citing the crusades is so desperate an example that I’m actually giggling. But I do agree that religion has no business affecting one’s workplace. Unfortunately, the laws tend to cherry-pick that issue, as Muslim women are allowed to wear their religious garb wherever they’re employed, but anything promoting Christianity or Judaism is a violation of church/state.
@Cam: I stated that bigotry is bad. I meant it. What more do you want? I guess bullying is just the way you roll when you can’t get an answer that appeases you. I’m told that It Gets Better, but whoever said that apparently never encountered the fiendish bully Cam, because you’re just relentless in your attacks when you don’t get your way.
jwrappaport
Did someone mention The Inquisition?
Hey, Torquemada, whaddaya say?
I just got back from the auto-da-fé
Auto-da-fé, what’s an auto-da-fé?
It’s what you oughtn’t to do but you do anyway
Cam
@BJ McFrisky: said…
“@Cam: I stated that bigotry is bad. I meant it. What more do you want? I guess bullying is just the way you roll when you can’t get an answer that appeases you. I’m told that It Gets Better, but whoever said that apparently never encountered the fiendish bully Cam, because you’re just relentless in your attacks when you don’t get your way.”
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And once again, this is now the 3rd or 4th time I have asked you to SPECIFICALLY state your feelings about the actual people mentioned in this article. You came on here immediately and were defending them. When I pressed to to say anything about them specifically you got very vague and said “Bigotry is bad”. I have asked you multiple times to state your opinion on the Anti-Gay Christians mentioned in this article and you have dodged it again and again.
Oh, and nice try claiming you are being “Bullied” for being asked your opinion. But playing the victim is apparently much easier for you than actually making any kind of statement against the anti-gay Christians in this article. They will be so happy to know that you are so supportive of them.
Dakotahgeo
@BJ McFrisky: Thank you. With all the technology we have today I was actually wondering if drulandian had teleported from the 13th Century up to the 21st, lol. Pay him no mind… he has the right to live where he is most comfortable.
As to the other commenters… if they asked questions and answered them based on the educational background shown, they would fail any history class in which they enrolled.
There also are gays who bully other gays when they don’t answer as they think they should, or refuse to give up when they’ve lost the argument. Such is life in the gay community!
BJ McFrisky
@Cam: Let’s face it, Cam, any answer I provide will be met with automatic derision from you. So even though it’s pointless, I’ll state my position yet again:
Bullying is bad. It’s baaaaaaad. Bad-bad-bad-bad-bad.
But as a habitual perpetrator of such actions yourself, I’m guessing you already knew that.
2eo
@Dakotahgeo: And there are those that think children abused by christians “had it coming” as you have said in at least 5 threads about the subject.
Only 1 type of person thinks that.
Liam Sauer-Wooden
@BJ McFrisky: Glad you finally get it. Now, if only the rest of the deniers would face facts and admit how evil they have been to anyone they even remotely dislike.
Liam Sauer-Wooden
@EdgarCarpenter: Plus an end to wife-beating as well as child-abuse.
DarkZephyr
@BJ McFrisky: Really BJ? NO comments about the Christians who want to bash gays? See, this is why I think you are a BIG FAKE. You say “bullying is bad”, “bigotry is bad” but you have not stated if you thank that the Christians mentioned in this article are actually bigots or if they should be taken to task for their bigotry. When questioned directly, you make generic comments over and over so that you can appear not to be dodging Cam’s question, but it still remains obvious that you are. You NEVER EVER EVER seem defend gays. You only ever seem to defend their attackers and you always seem to deride gay people. Why do you even come to Queerty.com? You clearly can’t stand other gay people (if you ARE actually gay) other than your supposed boyfriend that you have been with since 1997 (so you claim).
I can still remember your comments on the now removed “bay gays in history” article. You were outraged that one of the men called a “bad gay” was on the list merely for “disagreeing” with gay marriage. It seems that to you, actively funding legislation that keeps LGBT people from full equality is merely “disagreeing” with them. The only gays I ever see you defend are Anti-Gay gays.
Tookietookie123
You feel discriminated against? That sounds familiar, oh yes, you guys did the same to us(don’t ask, don’t tell) and told us to shut up or we’d be kicked out of the military. Nice of you to understand how it feels to take a stroll in our fabulous shoes.
Cam
@BJ McFrisky: said…
@Cam: Let’s face it, Cam, any answer I provide will be met with automatic derision from you. So even though it’s pointless, I’ll state my position yet again:
Bullying is bad. It’s baaaaaaad. Bad-bad-bad-bad-bad.
But as a habitual perpetrator of such actions yourself, I’m guessing you already knew that.
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And here you have the typical dodge tactic of the right wingers, self hating gays, etc….
BJ, I pointed out to you that you have SPECIFICALLY avoided saying anything about the people mentioned in this post. You first tried to change the subject, then you have now multiple times posted a vague posting mockingly saying that bigotry is bad.
Interesting how when I have now several times specifically asked you to tell us your feelings on the Christians saying that they are victims because they are not being allowed to discriminate, you have avoided commenting specifically on them…more than once.
The only logically conclusion to be drawn from this is that you do not want to say anything about them because you agree with them.
Oh, and the last tactic of the right wing, pretending that anybody asking them to explain their comments is a bully. But you know, nice try.
Again, BJ, this article is about Christians in the military claiming that they are victims because they cannot discriminate against gays. In detail, how do you feel about the Christians making this claim, and about their claim.
If you just try to make a vague comment on Bigotry again, you will in no uncertain terms expose the fact that you support these folks and will never say one thing against them.
Dakotahgeo
@BJ McFrisky: Smack on the target, BJ. Cam and 2eo are shining examples of people to stay away from.
@2eo: “Only 1 type of person thinks that.” And after all is said and done, that person is…2eo! Really, 2eo, are you really as mentally challenged as you try to make yourself out to be?? You’ve succeeded beautifully, for a junior high school student. Try and learn something from other people in life. It’s worth a shot!
@Liam Sauer-Wooden: BJ McFrisky is one of the more educated people on this blog, certainly one of the few who are posting. I feel ashamed that I even have to respond to 2eo and Cam, but we do have to pity the less fortunate in life!
BJ McFrisky
@DarkZephyr:
Hey Zeph, I want to know where you found the article “Bay Gays in History.” Is it about the SF Bay Area? The Chesapeake? Green Bay? Tampa? Are gays there different from non-bay gays?
Seriously, if you’re going to spend so much time typing, maybe take an extra 20 seconds to proofread your comment. You’re beginning to sound like a Queerty reporter, misspellings and all. And your observation of me is way off base, but then again, I have yet to meet a liberal who doesn’t believe they have a monopoly on all minorities (women, blacks, Latinos, gays), and are dumbstruck when one of us dares to think for himself.
On a lighter note, the American Heritage dictionary defines “zephyr” as “something that is airy, insubstantial, and passing.”
How appropriate.
BJ McFrisky
@Dakotahgeo: Thank you for the compliment.
DarkZephyr
@BJ McFrisky: If my observations are so “way off base” then why do you prove otherwise by resorting to ad hominem instead of directly addressing my concerns? And why do you YET AGAIN refuse to address Cam’s question directly? And this is the second time you have called me a “liberal”. What makes you think that I am a “liberal”? Because I actuall care about fellow gay people? Because I think bigotry against gay people is wrong, EVEN if coming from Christians because I don’t think they should get a free pass to be bigots? Or is it JUST because I am gay? What have I said here that has indicated to you that I am a “liberal”? Do tell.
BJ McFrisky
@DarkZephyr: Well, the answer is simple, Zeph. I don’t think only about myself and “my kind.” My concerns lie within every aspect of civilization. For me to defend all things gay would be stupid, since I’m an individual and not a minion, nor am I a demographic for politicians to exploit. And frankly, I don’t agree with the gay community on all issues. Does that make me evil? OK. Does it make me a “bad gay”? OK again. My goal in life certainly isn’t to be a hero amongst all peoples homosexual; my goal is to be a decent man.
In answer to your (as usual, hysterical) question, I identify you as liberal because your liberalness is as blatant as your insistence that I’m not a gay man. If you’re not an Obama-loving, welfare-happy liberal, then I woke up on a different planet today.
Dakotahgeo
@BJ McFrisky: heh heh heh… thanks. The only thing I think of when I hear the word, “zephyr” is the Amtrak’s Burlington Zephyr, via Chicago to Fremont, CA. I never thought of it being a train to nowhere, lolol. Thanks for the “word history lesson! Kudos.
Dakotahgeo
@Dakotahgeo: “word history”
DarkZephyr
@BJ McFrisky: lol You already made it clear in your previous post to me that you think its “obvious” that I am a liberal, so you are stating NOTHING new to me whatsoever. I asked you WHAT I HAVE SAID to indicate that I am a liberal and you have chosen not to answer that question for whatever reason. Reminds me of your dealings with Cam in this thread.
And where did you get that stuff about me thinking you should “be a hero” to all gay people and that you should ONLY think about gay people? You call me hysterical, but you jump to nonsensical extremes. I am not saying you should automatically side with all gay people in all things and agree with everything they say and think of nobody BUT gay people. I am just mystified as to why you *always* seem to defend anti-gay people and *never* seem to defend a gay person unless they are an anti-gay gay person. That is not the same as saying you should agree with every gay person that ever lived. I agree that we should care about everyone, but despite what you said about your concerns lying “within every aspect of civilization” it seems like LGBT people are the one aspect of civilization that you DON’T care about at *all* unless you call seemingly hating most gay people a form of caring.
You clearly do not see all of my posts on this blog if you think that I am “liberal”. I often defend Christians and Christianity (just not bigots who happen to be Christian), I am very much pro-life and not ashamed or afraid to admit it, I like Pope Fracis, and while I am grateful to the recent strides that Obama has helped make for LGBT people I am by no means his biggest fan. I didn’t even vote for him (or Romney, my conscience wouldn’t allow me to vote for either of them). And I have my own job, I have NEVER been on welfare, so you can think what you want about me, but YOU are as way off base about me as you think that I am about you. The difference between us is that I would LOVE for you to show me that I am wrong. That you actually do care when gay people are crapped on by homophobic bigots. That has yet to be seen and I frankly doubt that I will EVER see it. The other difference between us is that when *I* say that I care about every aspect of civilization, I actually mean it. From the unborn on up. And that actually INCLUDES my fellow LGBT people.
And as for Dakotahgeo and his little enjoyment of your ridicule of my online alias, I find that very interesting since he and I have agreed with one another in other threads in the past concerning Christianity and how Christians are often treated around here. It seems like you have succeeded in being a “big hero” to at least one gay dude. Good for you, BJ.
Dakotahgeo
@DarkZephyr: I need to make one thing abundantly clear: I agree with those people whose comments I agree with. I may not always agree with one certain person but what is really turning me off (as a gay Christian liberal) is all of the back and forth arguing about nothing in particular, ESPECIALLY when we are miles from being on topic!! I really wonder if some of these arrogant British jokers are actually plants from Queerty in order to start or stir the smoldering pot. I really expected better from commenters on a serious subject, but maybe next time. My support and respect to those who come through intelligently and cooperatively, and not aggressively and belligerent.
Dakotahgeo
@DarkZephyr: I am so sorry, ZEPHYR! There was no intent to belittle your online pseudonym! I merely pointed out, being an Amtrak addict, that Zephyr has more meanings than just your name! Geeezzz… inhale, exhale, repeat… and live longer! Unnnnnnngh!!!
BJ McFrisky
@DarkZephyr:
Again: your comment is too long and rambling to merit my time. Keep it short and to-the-point and we can have a rational discussion.
BJM
DarkZephyr
@BJ McFrisky: Coward.
Dakotahgeo
@DarkZephyr: Zeph! Normal, intelligent people have moved on!! (Hint…HINT!!!) We don’t care about you knuckle draggers! (Yes… NOW you are being belittled… no more hints!).
DarkZephyr
@Dakotahgeo: Yes Toadie, I am a “Knuckle Dragger” because I actually care about people and you are superior because you lick BJ’s backside while he hates on gay people. Ya got me.
So if you are moving on, then do it already. I think you are lagging behind your Master.
Dakotahgeo
@DarkZephyr: You’re not a very fart smelle…errr, smart feller, are you?! Intelligent people have moved on to more salient topics. They’re just not staying watch you make a fool of yourself. (Dag nabbit!! He took the bait again! Hook, line, and sinker!). You fail again!
BJ McFrisky
@DarkZephyr: You’ve—yet again—grossly misinterpreted my words. I’ve never hated on gay people, I simply don’t agree with them on all topics. The notion is as ludicrous as straight people insisting they all must have the same mindset.
Cam
And once again, BJ has refused to specifically state how he feels about these Christians claiming that not being able to discriminate against gays makes them victims.
hmmm, interesting how he won’t even comment on them directly isn’t it?
Interesting also, how he keeps claiming that people asking him to clarify his opinion or who disagrees with him is a bully and makes him a victim.
Who does that sound like? Why,,,,,, it sounds EXACTLY like the folks that the origional posting was written about doesn’t it?!
Dakotahgeo
@Cam: Yes, and we have a perfect example of a bully in you, a mentally challenged bully.. but a bully just the same. Thank you for your shining example.
pauleky
BJ McFrisky has consistently refused to answer Cam’s question. In doing so, he has answered it. Dakotahgeo is either BJ himself or a total sycophant. Pathetic and hilarious at the same time.
Dakotahgeo
@pauleky: — Sorry to disappoint, but you are waaaay behind this blog… 8 days worth, 12 for Cam, so we must bid your prattling adieu once again. Time to move on to greener pastures. 😉