Comedian Lil Duval is under fire after saying he’d kill a woman if he found out she was trans after they’d had sex.
Yeah, it’s really that gross.
While sitting in on The Breakfast Club radio show last week, Lil Duval (real name Ronald Powell), was (very stupidly) asked how he’d react if he discovered he’d unknowingly slept with a trans woman.
“This might sound messed up and I don’t care: she dying,” he said.
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“I can’t deal with that,” he quickly doubled down. “No, you manipulated me to believe in this thing. My mind, I’m gay now.”
The hosts of the show, including Charlamagne tha God, tried to steer him back to port, telling him, “That’s a hate crime, you can’t do that.”
But Duval repeated himself one more time: “I didn’t say I was gonna kill transgenders. I said, if one did that to me, and they didn’t tell me, I’mma be so mad I’d probably kill them.”
On their own, the comments are upsetting. Considering the tragic reality that trans women are frequent victims of domestic abuse and murder, they’re downright dangerous.
Laverne Cox posted this response:
After taking several deep breaths I just got teary thinking about all my sisters experiencing violence, beaten, raped, murdered and some https://t.co/QyNXp11ysL
— Laverne Cox (@Lavernecox) July 30, 2017
Meanwhile, Duval has dug his heels in, proving just what kind of man he is:
"Lil duval they waiting on you to apologize"
Me: pic.twitter.com/sngO39icOV
— lil duval (@lilduval) July 31, 2017
You can find his comments below, at the 6:57 mark:
Xzamilloh
In a lot of communities, it is a badge of honor to walk around with aggressive ignorance to things you don’t understand. One thing is, I absolutely agree with Charlamagne The God when he says that transgenders need to be upfront about their identity. But, most of us who are black know that the BGT is not well regarded in some black communities… the Ls seems to have an easier time. Don’t ask me why it is like that, but living has shown me that such is the reality in a lot of places.
Curtispsf
There’s a great deal of truth in what you posted. I think (straight) society has an easier time with the “L”s because they get to fantasize about what it would be like to be in a 3 way with two women. It’s also about power; straight men recoil at the thought of being on the receptive end of anal sex because it’s a threat to their “manhood”.
JonBon
Curtispsf – Or we simply don’t like anal sex.
Aromaeus
What about that military officer who killed a transwoman despite knowing BEFORE they had sex that she was trans? You don’t seem to grasp that disclosing that kind of information could get them killed anyway. Also because there aren’t a lot of workplace protections for the LGBT community, particularly trans people, many end up doing sex work to get by.
Xzamilloh
@Aromaeus What about that one case? What does that have to do with anything I said, especially with no context provided on your part? I stand by my opinion that trans individuals should inform their potential partners that they are trans… the only instances where it should be irrelevant is casual sex hookups where both parties assume the risks and responsibilities of hooking up with someone they don’t really know.
Kieran
This is no joke. There was a terrible case a couple years ago in Maplewood NJ where an African-American trans woman was shot in the head by a black male after they had sex and he found out she was born male. A jury let the killer got off Scot free.
From what I’ve seen, the slogan should be: “Black Trans Lives Matter”.
Aromaeus
If you knew anything about Black Lives Matter you would know that it was started by Queer Black women so it’s inclusive of Trans women of color who are the most likely to brutalized and murdered.
Aaron
If it’s just a hook up and the transwoman is post op, I don’t see how it’s anybody’s business that she might have had other parts at one time. If dating with intent for long term, I can see the issue regarding children or health issues in the future, etc.
I doubt this transphobe does any more than hook up, I’m guessing his treatment of women in general is equally disgusting.
ChrisK
Ha. I would never intentionally listen to a clown with a name like this but I checked out some of his crap. Dropping it “dick” off showing girls loving his big egg plant and show me what that mouth can do while holding a big zuccini. Yeah, if you’re 12 you might find it funny.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w2n4xxzdUG8&list=PLVqEEq46KjRMlLl0KOOxDKVnPlkTqLFn3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BzLt7T6bCww&index=2&list=PLVqEEq46KjRMlLl0KOOxDKVnPlkTqLFn3
ChrisK
..or in his words….”Wat Dat Mouf Do ft”. Lol
JonBon
Hook up or no hook up, if I am sleeping with you, I have a right to know whether you are a transwoman. I’m not comfortable sleeping with a transwoman, others are. To hide the fact that you’re a transwoman is actually a form of rape given that the conditions of sex would not have been met had that piece of information been revealed.
scotshot
jonbon
Is actually a form of rape. That’s probably the least intelligent statement on the web today, and one of the worst excuses for violence.
If you’re uncomfortable with trans women, stay out of those bars and don’t go to street corners where they work to pick them up.
It’s like every other situation where a guy does what he wants do do and gets nervous about being outed. I think the subtitle here should be “On the Downlow.”
Jaws1780
Um, JonBon. The ENTIRE point is that they. Are. Women. They are not “playing” women. WHY would that bother you? Because you’re afraid that would make you “gay”? Because you’d be attracted to one and it’s “their fault” that you were?
WindsorOntario
Do these people EVER smile? Why do they always have an expression like someone just farted in their face?
Attitudes like his is why HIV has spread through the AA community the way it has: it’s ignorance and ‘if nobody saw it, it didn’t happen’. Never mind all the things that he may or may not do that contradicts everything he says as part of his schtick. This is also the same attitude that gives these men a licence to have 20 babies with 20 different women and never pay a penny in child support.
He, and others with the same attitude need to grow up. If you want to stay 13 forever than make sure you get a vasectomy so this cycle of poverty-unwanted babies-welfare-SSI/Disability for life someday ends.
grethomory
I’m AA and I totally get what you are saying…the word “gay” is like such a negative thing in the AA community. You are right in the aspect that there are so many “downlow” brothers that HIV is running rampant still.
What used to piss me off when I was a teenager was going to church….when the pastor would say something horrible and mean about gays…and the choir director is the biggest queen since Elizabeth took the throne. What I get mad about is “why take your ass to a church that is going to talk to you in this way?” That’s something I will never understand!
Now, I do believe that a transperson even post-op needs to let the person they are potentially seeing to let them know. To me, if you don’t tell them, then you have already started off with a lie. The same that goes for people who are HIV positive. There’s not a thing wrong with saying you are positive. I know many people who are…and not just gay people.
pisces-boi
Another white person using a story like this to criticize the BLACK community. We both know that you can really care less about the problem of blacks.
money718
The white liberal Democrats need blacks to be dependent on government, so your words mean nothing.
jonasalden
@PiscesBoi: Are you straight or gay? Here’s why I ask. You jumped to race first, even though Lil’ duval is Black and would kill a trans person who didn’t tell him. Furthermore, you sound as if those of us who are gay in the AA community need to band together with the greater community in the name of solidarity, despite the fact that homophobia runs rampant. I DON’T THINK SO. Yes, the general (read: White) community has its fair share of often unapologetic racism too (No Blacks, no femmes, blah blah blah). But how is it in my best interest to strike a deal with the Black Straight community against “Whitie” with the promise of acceptance-or at least safety from violence-in the unspecified future? No thanks. I’ll just sit here in the center. It’s safer. And by the way, I abhor the trickery he’d kill someone for. It’s just that I wouldn’t add to the body count in the name of salvaging my manhood.
scotshot
money718Thanks for the daily reinforcement of a tired meme that’s been used by Trump Trolls for ages.
Conservatives use that line a lot until it’s revealed that many of them don’t pay taxes.
Talk about something for nothing.
Xzamilloh
@jonasalden
You bettah say that!!! This is what identity politics does to us. Where is the lie in what WindsorofOntario said? But instead of attacking the message, this idiot attacks his skin color as if he can’t speak on uncomfortable realities in a lot of our communities. Some of these straight black people look at us as freaks and wouldn’t think twice of throwing us under the bus, while some of these liberal whites look at us as pet projects to look down on and treat us like “tardies for the parties” (R word you can’t say). In the middle away from both assclown groups is the best position.
pisces-boi
@jonasalden @Xzamilloh What the hell are you talking about?
1. I don’t do the community bs.
2.I wasn’t suggesting that black gays should choose one community over the other, or to hate whites.
3.My response to this comment is based on the fact that people feel the need to take a situation like this and used it to criticize black people when this has nothing to do with race. If he has an issue with what was said then that understandable, but he didn’t have to bring race into this. There are men from all races who feel this way, not just blacks. And are you suggesting I stand with the LGBT community over the black community?
crowebobby
Could Miss Thing possibly look any gayer?!
niles
So “looking gay” is something negative according to you.
James
What a creep. I see his career going nowhere, except in the republican party.
JaredMacBride
He’s an attention ho. And he finally got some.
Ummmm Yeah
He said if he was molested by someone pretending to be a woman he would react badly. We’ll we’ve seen it happen over and over and over and over again already. So they need to stop deceiving straight men and expecting anything different. He never said he was going to go out and attack someone randomly. Stop treating it like that.
scotshot
If he takes his organ and shoves it down another’s throat, I’d like to see how that can be classified as being molested, raped or scammed. above the waist a hole is a hole is a hole.
RevJames
Totally GAY! What a resting Fag face he got!
RevJames
This guy looks totally gay! What a resting fag face he got!
Curtispsf
Dude looks like he just swallowed a load of foul tasting cum. He needs a breath mint…or two. /|\
Megera
On the one hand, kind of shitty of him, definatly. On the other hand – someone didn’t tell ME they were trans before we got down to business, i’d at least punch em.
Well, okay, no i wouldn’t. because i actually couldn’t care less. If i want to have sex with someone enough to actually do it, who cares? But i might be pissy about it. No sexual surprises! (Unless its that thing you do with … …nevermind)
Celtic
Be careful what you wish for, little black boy bitch. There are lots of people who would not hesitate to kill a black dude simply for the thrill of it. You should be incarcerated in an institution surrounded by a group of bad ass white bikers.
pisces-boi
What does this have with race? They’re plenty of men in all races that feels the same as this jackass does.
Kangol
Are you advocating racist murder? Seriously???
pisces-boi
What does this have to do with race? They’re plenty of men in all races that feels the same as this jackass does.
OzJosh
Oh, come on… we all know that it’s douches like this would-be comic who are the very ones who make a bee-line for the obvious trans-woman at the end of the bar. And you know which trans women I mean – six-foot something, with a definite hint of a five-o-clock shadow and a prominent adam’s apple. Mr Douche will screw them in the car park behind the bar, and the next morning claim they were drunk beyond comprehension and had no idea at all… just like the last time.
MommieDammit
This punk. Me. Louisville Slugger. Locked room. 5 minutes… Problem solved. You’re welcome.
junk4sts
So long as he can have one too…
Prax07
He’s just another savage, and some black folks wonder why whites can’t stand them. They talk like thugs, act like thugs, portray themselves as thugs, so we view them as the trash they are.
pisces-boi
What does this have with race? They’re plenty of men in all races that feels the same as this jackass does.
Kangol
What about monstrous white people, like the savage occupying the presidency, who just banned the trans people serving in our military? Or the savage who shot 9 people in a CHURCH in South Carolina? Or the savage who pushed anti-gay laws across the US to get elected in 2000 and 2004? Should everyone who isn’t white hate white people? You know, think before you utter rac!st BS like this!
scotshot
Just another savage?
Tell me what’s civilized about white men going out to look for ANY minority to beat up. I’m a white guy and I’ve been assaulted by your friends several times all in the name of fun.
The biggest thing in America today is the man wearing orange makeup with bleached blond teased hair. in my neighborhood gay bar it’s be “Here comes Auntie Donnie again, hope she keeps her little hands off me today.”
skilos
He looks like a little queen. So really have no room to talk.
pisces-boi
White people look for any reason to say hateful shit about others, but then get mad when the hate speech is turn on them. NEWS FLASH a lot of men from ALL races feel the same way as this jack ass.
Keith
That’s not very funny. I hope he gets pushed into a new career very very soon – like city water & sewage.
Dymension
Um, couldn’t he just say “look, I’m not interested in pursuing anything further with you”?
Aromaeus
I’m more pissed off at The Breakfast Club for having this fool on there after having Janet Mock. Charlemagne for the most part seems to be open to learning and understanding other communities but it does come off as tone deaf to have a transwoman come on one day and share her experiences including the adversity’s they face trying to survive, then turn around and have an unapologetic transphobe on your show and even indulge his bigotry.
oddchild1
Look at all the concern trolls who call trans people “Freaks”, “mentally ill”, and not part of the gay community, the same people that say “we need to drop the T from LGBT” on every story that talks about trans people suddenly defending them when they can use it as an excuse to attack black people.
junk4sts
Comedian’s are notorious for saying crap like this, but their comments are generally extreme versions of what many people are thinking. That’s the thing about comedy, it takes our attitudes, amps them up and throws them back in our faces. Saying racist things about him based upon his non-racist statement just gives him more material for future statements.
Ignore the extreme nature of his statement and look at the point, people don’t like to fooled and lied to when it comes to sex, that’s the main takeaway from his statement. More subtly he’s saying that as far as he’s concerned a trans woman is still a genetic man, and he’s not interested in sex with a man no matter how that man appears. You my not like his stance, but he has every right to feel this way, and in the USA he even has the right to say it.
People who are live outside the mainstream, always seem to think and behave like their needs are more important than more mainstream people, that mainstream people should just roll over and adopt their different and sometimes extreme attitudes. Truth is, those outside the mainstream are no more important, relevant, or special than the mainstream crowd, and if the mainstream still can’t get over it’s racist and misogynistic beliefs, why do gay and trans people feel like they deserve any more from the mainstream?
Yelling at people and telling them to “respect us” or “accept us” or even “Leave Us Alone” hasn’t worked for Women or African Americans for over 200 years, so gay and especially trans people need to understand how slowly change happens, and also understand that sometimes personal safety depends on good judgment and a little restraint.
inbama
Murder is NEVER acceptable.
NEVER.
Jaws1780
A) If his comments are “extreme” why do we have to “ignore” them?
B) This keeps being mentioned, but HOW are trans women “tricking” men? They’re NOT wearing a disguise. Is it that they’re FORCING men to be attracted to them?
C) Why do people who bring up their misappropriation of the 1st Amendment always suggest that other people shouldn’t use THEIR “free speech” to respond?
D) “Since bigotry happens against one group, it should be apllied liberally against ALL groups.” Is that REALLY what you want to say there? Truly? (And are we still pretending that people only reside in one sharply delineated group, despite the trans activist listed here giving info to the contrary? Which also explains why the vile comments of the 4th-rate Chris Tucker are taken seriously.)
Jack Meoff
His comments are over the top and inappropriate because murder is never OK but in reality how often would this situation ever come up because to be quite honest there are not that many trans women around that you can’t tell are trans just by looking at them. There are plenty of guys around who pretend like they don’t know they are hitting on a trans woman but there are not very many truly unreadable trans women around. I think a lot of the fault in this situation lies with the stupid person conducting the interview for asking the question in the first place.
BriBri
As soon as the snatch doesn’t auto lubricate should be a big red flag.
Doug
This has nothing to do with race, I’ve heard similar comments from a lot of straight men. Being deceived by a trans woman would definitely piss me off, but punching or killing puts it into a whole different realm. I also think a lot of trans women think some of these guys are already onto them and they’ll look the other way about being 95% female and only 5% male.
pisces-boi
@jonasalden @Xzamilloh What the hell are you talking about?
1. I don’t do the community bs.
2.My response to this comment is based on the fact that people feel the need to take a situation like this and used it to criticize black people when this has nothing to do with race. If he has an issue with what was said then that understandable, but he didn’t have to bring race into this. There are men from all races who feel this way, not just blacks. And are you suggesting I stand with the LGBT community over the black community?
Orgoglio Masch
It’s always hilarious when people take mildly controversial comments from comedians super seriously. However, there are a lot of trans people out there playing these types of games, and it’s a dangerous. Being honest up front is the best way for them to stay alive. And straight guys really need to consider making a c00ter check mandatory before getting BJs these days.
Jaws1780
Um…when Trump “joked” about cops performing police brutality against black people, no one was in a laughing matter then.
Also stop repeating tired ol trans myths, please. It’s of the same cloth as “gays are sexual predators who’ll molest every straight man aroundif they don’t gaurd dat ass.”
Jaws1780
I’m registered for this site simply because some of the replies excusing this POS are so fundamentally ignorant and misguided that they can”t be ignored without some kind of commentary.
First of all, a bunch of people already did the heavy lifting for a lot of the problems with peolle like Lil Dick (and the dumb “zoo crew” that egged him on), so read these first
https://www.allure.com/story/janet-mock-response-the-breakfast-club-trans-women
https://mobile.twitter.com/TheMrMilan/status/892028326679891968
The biggest problem with this is that the whole premise is a strawman that Lil Dick was stupid enough to answer, with OTHER starwmen build on top of that (based on people who get thier social constructs from The Jerry Springer show!) But the hand-wringint of people being “tricked” is an non-sequitar to get oeople off track, since what this is REALLY about is the ol “gay panic” defense (during the radio show the a-hole worried that the being “tricked” might make him “gay” because he follows the “toxic machismo playboook “by the letter) It’s not being “tricked” that’s the issue, it’s the idea of these insecure men WILLINGLY sleep with trans women (or just men and general) and ENJOY it that gets thier undies in a bunch.
As noted above another problem is a fundamental ignorance to what a transgender woman IS. Thinking of a person like Janet Mock as “a man” is missing the point by a mile.
About “disclousure”: how much of your personal history do YOU reveal when you start sleeping with someone? Would killing a Christian woman be justified if you found out she used to be Muslim? Or if you found out her breasts were fake after thinking the were real? The POINT is that you’re having a relationship with a woman. (Incidentally, who wants to bet that Lil Dick has “tricked” a few women into his bed himself? His transphobia is based on an insecure male ego and severe lack of respect after all.) Also, “why won’t the trans community be ‘honest’ among a society that makes hostile ‘jokes’ about them being murdered with sadistic glee? That’s such a freaking mystery.”
Jaws1780
Oh and most importantly NOTHING about this justifies murder! That idea that we need to have this EXPLAINED to people is just sad commentary of how our lack of common sense robs us of our humanity.
surreal33
While Mr Duval is an ASSHOLE! He is, however, shining a light on something extremely problematic men or women should DISCLOSE BEFORE SEX OCCURS if they are transgender, HIV positive, have herpes, or any other sexually transmitted disease. (Yes I understand there is vast difference between sexually transmitted disease and being transgender) If you choose to be deceitful so you can get laid?
Please don’t be surprised if you end up with a bullet in your ass!!!
Jaws1780
Sweetie that whole line of thought is but a distraction to take the focus off the main issue, that this unfunny a-hole thinks murder is amusingly acceptable simply because trans people are “gross.” Everything else brought up here is false comparisons, mere devil’s advocate hand-wringing to cover-up tired macho bullshit.
Just to point out how silly the comparisons ate, notice that all the women angry at, say, Charlie Sheen aren’t bragging about KILLING him? But then they won’t look all “tough” trying to put a bullet into someone’s ass…
Brian
Why was this even a question? They set him up for this mess. They wanted the conversation to be salacious. Trans people are not a threat, and the presumption was the problem. The hosts should apologize as well… that is, if any of them could do so genuinely.