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David Geffen’s 20-Year-Old Ex-Boy Toy Athlete Is Stalking Him

Screen shot 2014-12-29 at 10.25.19 AMMusic magnate David Geffen is dealing with some serious relationship drama, guys.

According to new court documents obtained by TMZ , he’s being stalked by his ex-boyfriend.

20-year-old Jamie Kuntz has been accused of stalking the 71-year-old for the past several months. His behavior has included following, harassing and making a “credible threat” against Geffen sometime between September and November.

In October, Kuntz was arrested for violating the terms of a restraining order. He now faces felony and misdemeanor charges and is expected to appear in court later this week.

Kuntz and Geffen first hooked up when Kuntz was 18. In 2012, the teenager was kicked off his college football team after being spotted making out with the then 69-year-old billionaire in a press box. He told teammates Geffen was his grandfather. (The school maintains that he wasn’t removed from the team for being gay, but because he lied about the kiss.)

According to Kuntz’s lawyer David Wohl, his client and Geffen enjoyed a physical relationship, but when Kuntz caught feelings and it wasn’t reciprocated, Geffen filed for restraining order. Wohl insists Kuntz is not a stalker. He’s just misunderstood.

Geffen is worth an estimated $6 billion.

The moral of this story? We’ll let Countless Luann sing it for you:

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108 Comments

  • PRINCE OF SNARKNESS aka DIVKID

    That young guy earned every penny and deserves at least half that $6 billion.

  • TrueWords

    David you are NOT dating an 18 year old you are subsidizing his life with your money and status…NEVER FORGET THAT!!!

  • 1898

    Maybe don’t get involved with someone who is barely out of high school…?

  • Aromaeus

    I don’t know how to feel about any of this.

  • Stache99

    Ah how romantic. If you love someone, set them free. If they come back they’re yours; if they don’t they never were.

    I want to be David dammit. I mean how many 70 year olds still get 18 yo’s stalking them and all for love.

  • Tookietookie123

    As someone younger than Jamie Kuntz, it has and always will disgust me to think that there are people out there who’ll use their money to get people that are extremely young people to sleep with them. To me it’s reminescent of pedophilia, and I’m aware of how rampant it is in Hollywood. There are too many pretentious, elitist perverts with power nowadays, and it’s a shame that people like Geffen represent our community. People as old as Geffen should know better than to manipulate someone with money in order to get sex then dump then like a bag of trash, especially if they’re barely getting a grasp on life as an 18 year old.

  • shanfrina

    … Having first met David when interviewing him for “Billboard Magazine” in L.A. (’79), surprised he’d do this. He was very discreet-&-professional, but was going to “Come Out” in my article. Unfortunately, the article was pulled by my then Publisher.

  • Tookietookie123

    @Stache99: “Parents are so quick to ignore their children when they feel like there’s a ghost in the house.” Probably billionaires who manipulate teenagers into having sex with them in exchange for an extravagant life style that they’ll just rip away once they get bored……?

  • PRINCE OF SNARKNESS aka DIVKID

    How was the Geffen connection hushed up? This was a biggish sports scandal and even got a mention on SNL (IIRC). Christ the media is supine in the face of billionaires. Very troubling.

  • blackberry finn

    If Geffen has been “operating” this way, using his name to bed ’em young, then leave ’em quick, for a long time, then he deserves the bad PR (tho not the stalking, of course). If it’s something he normally wouldn’t do, then he should get a break. The problem was their lack of discretion, i.e., allowing themselves to be seen kissing in public. Otherwise, all Geffen had to do was buy the kid a nice piece of diamond jewelry when he broke it off. Diamonds are a toy’s best friend.

  • Stache99

    @Tookietookie123: I understand your point to a degree. 18 years old is way to young IMO. Plus, it just looks ridiculous. However, these boys know exactly what their getting into. No one’s manipulating anyone.

  • Stache99

    @blackberry finn: You mean a car. That’s a boys best friend. Buy the kid a new Camero. Hell he could just pull out his change for that.

  • onthemark

    Some whores just don’t know when to leave!

  • Curtispsf

    Wealth for sex relationships will always be about power; who really has it at any given moment in time? While most will look down on the older richer man as being a predator, it’s also true that the younger man’s conduct towards his “daddy” is predatory in nature; trading youth for money. Ultimately, money and power will trump youth and beauty, but isn’t it possible that Kuntz developed “feelings” not for Geffen, but “Geffen’s money” just as Geffen may not have cared about Kuntz as a person and wanted only his physical beauty and sex.

    I’ve always been kind of creeped out by the sugar daddy/ boy toy relationships because it feels to me that neither party really cares about “who” that person really is, just what that individual has to offer, money or youth? I’m throwing this idea out for balance. My tendency is to side with the younger person as “the victim”, but I can see how older guys who want only a casual relationship could end up being stalked. And that NEVER ends well for either side.

    We’ll never know the motivation of Kuntz or Geffen but it’s very easy to quickly sympathize with “discarded youth” and wag our boney fingers at the (rich) “dirty old man”. The jury is still out on this one.

  • Queertyreader2

    I know 69 year old men forget that 20 years old have the BRAIN of a 20 year old. Shame on Mr Geffen for taking advantage of this “CHILD”. Funny how fleeting the interest in the fine nice tight athlete’s body is Mr. Geffen. This should be a waring to ALL the old geezers both straight and gay….YOU CAN’T HAVE A RELATIONSHIP WITH GIANTS BOOBS and HARD PECS, ah but you geezer’s know that, it is the young men who should learn this lesson that say no to the RICH GEEZERS

  • PRINCE OF SNARKNESS aka DIVKID

    okay I was confused. Reports I’ve read made it sound like Geffen was the same “BF” he got caught kissing in 2012. I guess this guy might indeed have a preference for the older (billionaire) gentlemen. Seriously tho, if he does have an old guy fetish, that’s fair enough isn’t it?

  • Curtispsf

    @Stache99: What? A Camero? Kid should hold out for a Lexus, Mercedes, BMW or a TESLA! If Geffen offered a Camero, Kuntz would no doubt respond with “You’re trying to buy me off with a car? What do you think I am, a whore?” To which Geffen would respond: “We know what you are. We’re just arguing about the price” TA DA!

  • lykeitiz

    @PRINCE OF SNARKNESS aka DIVKID: Yeah….let’s back up a minute! I thought it was just me until I read your post. I thought I remembered this.

    This story WAS reported by several mainstream sources a couple years ago when it happened. I just Googled it to remind myself, & it was covered by ABC, ESPN, USA Today, and many others. NOWHERE was it mentioned that the 69 year old (at the time) boyfriend was David F-in Geffin!

    The media isn’t just corporate owned, they are one giant corporation.

  • lykeitiz

    @PRINCE OF SNARKNESS aka DIVKID: This article by Queerty states that Geffin was indeed that same boyfriend.

    This is the 5th paragraph:

    Kuntz and Geffen first hooked up when Kuntz was 18. In 2012, the teenager was kicked off his college football team after being spotted making out with the then 69-year-old billionaire in a press box. He told teammates Geffen was his grandfather. (The school maintains that he wasn’t removed from the team for being gay, but because he lied about the kiss.)

  • skcord

    How are we just finding out that David Geffen was the old man from this story? Talk about burying the lead…

    • Stache99

      @skcord: Not to get too conspiratorial but David has a connection to the Whitehouse. Wouldn’t take much for his manager to just make some phone calls to get his name out of the story.

  • PRINCE OF SNARKNESS aka DIVKID

    @lykeitiz: LOL i don’t ever read the Queerty scribble when theres a link instead.

    But surely its too crazy for a famous MEDIA billionaire to act like that in public with a nobody school kid. and then for the media to ignore it …WTF. it defies logic. surely?

  • PRINCE OF SNARKNESS aka DIVKID

    Cant be the same guy. No. Just can’t o _O

  • MarionPaige

    back in the day, while temping in New York City (when Geffen was then in NYC), I would run into so many guys bragging about having David Geffen’s phone number. It just became a joke, like, how many young White Guys in New York City at the time DIDN’T have Geffen’s phone number. And, how could Geffen or anyone else possibly have kept track of all of these guys? Geffen wasn’t out at the time.

    With names like Joey Stefano and David Forrest linked to Geffen, you wonder how “a certain family friendly director” would associate with the guy.

  • lykeitiz

    @PRINCE OF SNARKNESS aka DIVKID: LOL….Yes, true. “Consider the source” indeed.

    Maybe it was Clint Eastwood.

  • MarionPaige

    David Geffen has connections to The White House? THIS is a joke on so many levels, in that I’m pretty sure that Geffen supported Obama because he (Geffen) hated The Clintons. And look what Obama did when he was elected. He appointed Hilary Secretary of State. Rumors are that The Clintons have Obama’s support for Hilary for President.

    So, yeah, Geffen has A CONNECTION to The White House, one that doesn’t do shit for him

    • Stache99

      @MarionPaige: Oh I see. Maybe Obama felt guilty and said what the hell then. Give him that and were even.

  • polarisfashion

    The more I read this article, the less sympathy I have for Kuntz. He is a gold digger that got kicked to the curb. If he has a restraining order against him, he needs to respect it and move on with his life. They aren’t married or divorced so he has no claim to make for anything. My advice to Mr. Geffen is to stop sleeping with anyone who only cares about his money. Age shouldn’t matter but I think the gold digging aspect just screams out loudly here and Geffen should have known better! I guess I have no sympathy for either of these guys.

  • Billy Budd

    He should have paid the boy more. 6 billion is more than enough to share.

  • Billy Budd

    If I had 6 billion, I would give $100,000 gifts to every 18 yo that I fucked. Or else, I would try to find meaningful relationships with 30+ YOs.

  • MarionPaige

    I guess though that Geffen does manage to be less of a fucking joke than Calvin Klein. As far as I know, Geffen didn’t run out on court and grab any basketball players

  • scotshot

    @Tookietookie123: An 18 year old can sign contracts, get married, go to war and kill people, and be executed as an adult if they commit heinous crimes. They are adults.

    To state two adults having sex is reminiscent of pedophilia is totally off the mark. It’s interesting when a gays have sex with someone they’re labeled a pervert, whereas a hetero doing the same thing is called a stud.

    Your comment is full of talking points used by christians in their diatribes against gays. It’s time for you to go hang with your Troll buddies.

    PS – You’re obviously older than the under 20 years old which you claim, now that’s pervy.

  • Mack

    @Billy Budd: I would run out of money too fast.

  • skcord

    @MarionPaige: Basketball players??? Ms Klein only dates white guys… I’ve heard stories of him having waiters and bartenders switched to accommodate those tastes… @Stache99: That pisses me off. I always wondered why the old man from that story was never identified, now we know!

    • scotshot

      @jason smeds: A simple Google will supply you with all the info you need.

  • jason smeds

    What has David Geffen ever done for the gay community? Very little as far as I’m concerned. He might have done some things but I’m not aware of them.

    Some might perceive this behavior by Kuntz as a form of karma against a mega-rich Nancy.

  • MrEguy

    David Geffen has given MILLIONS over the years to gay organizations.

  • MarionPaige

    I think Geffen has a foundation or two devoted to gay health issues.

    I can’t prove it, but I suspect that 99.9% of the shit that makes its way into Gay Media is directly or indirectly linked to Geffen. Like, all of the negative shit about Hilary Clinton in gay media (and the media in general) is, in my opinion, directly linked to Geffen. And, of course, all of that negative shit about BITTER Jennifer Holiday clearly had a Geffen link. Towleroad seems to dislike the same people Geffen hates.

  • dhmonarch89

    nothing worse than a creepy ole perv trolling after teenagers….anyone over 30 should see a teenager as a child!

    • scotshot

      @MarionPaige: Trolling again, I see.

  • spiffy

    When we didn’t know who the older guy was, people were calling this kid a hero for coming out, etc. Now that we know the older guy was Geffen, all of a sudden Kuntz is victim?? If the story didn’t involve a billionaire, would people still feel differently?

    (And let’s not forget, back in 2012 when the story first broke, Kuntz claimed he was the aggressor and pursued the older man.)

    I’m not going to defend Geffen’s penchant for (much) younger men; but everyone deserves love and eros, even at older ages — I’m not so cynical yet to believe that someone in their twilight years can only resort to money and power in order to obtain a young, attractive mate.

  • Sansacro

    @Tookietookie123: So don’t date any granddaddies. Otherwise, guy is of age, and people are attracted to all sorts of things. Get a grip.

  • jason smeds

    There’s nothing wrong with a good relationship with a mature man. When I was in my 20’s, I had a relationship with a man in his 50’s. He taught me the facts of life.

    He was terrific in bed as he distilled years of experience into our sessions. So there.

  • dhmonarch89

    yes- 18 is legal- but it is FAR from grown up! Anyone looking back from the other side of 30 should know/realize that! Age differences are fine as long as both people are grown ups….men aren’t really grown ups until 25-30, at least from what I’ve seen, I definitely wasn’t.

  • Sansacro

    @dhmonarch89: I think the guy who lives under the bridge has lots of opinions too! Good luck with yours.

  • MarionPaige

    why would a 70 year old man who can afford a private security firm go public with a homosexual relationship he had with an 18 year od boy by getting a restraining order? Think California and palimony.

  • NoCagada

    @Tookietookie123: What you are stating has NOTHING to do with pedophilia. Look up the definition. An 18 year old not only doesn’t qualify as pedophilia material, but at 18 is a LEGAL adult.

  • Desert Boy

    I don’t know how it works in other states but here in California, stalking is a very serious crime. Geffin’s former toyboy could wind up in state prison.

  • NoCagada

    @Stache99: Oh, brother…

  • NoCagada

    @dhmonarch89: Some “men” NEVER grow up…so, if it isn’t 18, at what age DO you approve?

  • NoCagada

    @jason smeds: You really need to find some reality if you need to ask that.

  • Lance Mullholland

    “I was just making out with my GRANDFATHER???” * pukes on floor *

  • wpewen

    There’s a real fine line in these relationships. They’ve been around forever in the entertainment community, and accepted (Bogart & Bacall)is a straight one that wasn’t for the money. In the men’s gay community it’s always accepted, and as long as it isn’t predatory, generally quite healthy. This case does not look good. A repeated pattern by somebody older like this is bad. I see the young guy as being victimized-sure, he’s got problems, but Geffen is the one who has control. He knows better.

  • SteveDenver

    I want to hear the hook-up story: did Geffen have him delivered through an agency, was he passed around elite gay circles, or did the kid deliver a pizza tiding a skateboard?

  • stanhope

    Oh for goodness’s sakes….Geffen should just give this kid $100,000 and a Vette and call it a day. He’d hardly miss the money since it is likely the cost of one of the better bottles of wine in his cellar. Can you imagine what it took for an 18 year old kid to get a hard on for a 70 year old hole? LOL make that $200,000.

  • stanhope

    @SteveDenver: good ole dave is working the playgrounds LOL

  • Brendan

    Sorry but I would never trust a gay guy with the last name Kuntz.

  • SportGuy

    Wow, this is ridiculous, both of them are gross.

  • Captain Obvious

    Another creeper being creepy. You’re mad the baby is crying because you took away his bottle? Stop playing in the playpen and get with a MAN who’s at least 30. Jesus…

  • Chris

    Varsace used to pick up young men, daily, when he lived in that Miami Beach mansion of his. But then, he was killed by a boy toy who’d outlived his youthfulness and been disposed-of by someone else who lived across the country, if I recall. These sorts of things have a way of blowing up.

  • money718

    @stanhope: LMAO. These older dudes need to step it up.

  • skcord

    I have a little money and own my own business… but I still have to work! I can’t lie, if a moderately handsome older billionaire like Geffen came along and wanted to take me away from all this, I would consider it… all relationships have give-and-take, it’s called a partnership for a reason.

  • Doughosier

    God, even if I’m rich enough, I hope I’m not chasing after 18 year olds when I’m 70!

  • woodin

    How about an post episode dedicated to Geffen’s exploits on American Horror Story: Freak Show. Grossssssss

  • dhmonarch89

    I wish people could read- I CLEARLY state the age I’m talking about.

  • jockjack5

    @stanhope:

    Good point(s)… all.

    And funny!

    Geffen is a troll-extraordinaire and very, very creepy.

  • Cobalt Blue

    Let’s call a spade a spade: David Geffen is a disgusting old faggot and all the young men involved with him ( Jeremy Singall, Jamie Kuntz, etc… ) are prostitutes. This is a good example of how money can pervert the nature of the human being. GROSS !

  • gandalf74

    @Stache99: Amen to that, everyone is acting like this guy didnt know he was fooling around with a one of the richest men in the US, I love how everyone says he was tricked and all that , bullshit anyone with a laptop or phone can find out who David is and what his net worth is, so if this kid was blowing gramps, and there is nothing wrong with that, He knew perfectly well what the hell he was doing. Nobody ever wants to take responsibility for anything. Its never the young guy, its the perv who took advantage. Give me a fucking break with that bullshit..That guy knew what he was getting into

  • martinbakman

    Some guys just want to be with a man they can call daddy…….or granddaddy.

  • martinbakman

    @Tookietookie123: Old men getting cozy with an 18 year old seems creepy and possibly predatory, but honestly, a pedophile loves children that have not yet reached puberty. I don’t fully understand why the word pedophile is continually misused, other than for dramatic impact.

  • JimboinLA

    I was never into older guys but I had a friend who was a serious daddy’s boy since he was like fifteen. I could never understand it but it is a real thing. This kid sounds like that type of person. And Geffen is the ultimate Daddy. A multi billionaire Daddy. Power is an aphrodisiac. This poor kid had Daddy issues. And Geffen is a mogul with no time for that. If I had six billion I’d probably do the same. David Geffen can have whoever he wants. This kid looks a little crazy. I’ll bet he is good in bed and has an amazing body. And he is physically a grown man not a child so stop with the pedo nonsense. Geffen was a huge supporter of Aid causes. In a documentary he mentions the three hundred and twenty rolodex cards held together with a rubber band that he keeps in his desk that he can’t throw away. All dead from Aids. Including Michael Bennett. David Geffen is amazing. This kid is crazy.

  • asby

    I just want to know how a 69 year old billionaire from LA meets an 18 year old kid from North Dakota? Does Geffen spend a lot of time in the Dakotas on craigslist or grindr?

  • tradskinhead808

    So Geffen gives money to AIDS organizations and that makes him amazing? Well so have I, so where’s my fucking medal?

    And yes, Geffen has done many things for the gay community, the first thing was screwing Cher in the 70’s, but that still doesn’t give him a free license to pick up and dispose of people like candy wrappers just because he’s worth $6 billion dollars.

    Remember that what we’re hearing is Geffen’s side of the story, now that he wants it to be heard. Now that he wants to play the victim. This is the man that made it possible to keep his name out of the story for quite a while until now that it doesn’t serve his purpose, so if anything, this story should be speaking volumes on the shady character Geffen is rather than canonizing him some kind of gay saint.

  • Sluggo2007

    That’s why I never mess around with Kuntz. This guy is aptly named.

  • TrueWords

    Dear Mr. Geffen:

    You were NOT dating an 18 year old you were subsidizing his life with your money and status…NEVER FORGET THAT…so next time be sure to visit the ATM before and/or after each encounter to make it a clearer transaction…

    Please no one address me with the notion that theirs was a constructive, mature “relationship”…I am not wearing Depends and I will literally piss my pants laughing…

  • darian

    This kind of shit gets funnier everytime I hear about it.

  • Maude

    That photo of Kuntz makes him appear to be a dwarf.
    (not that there’s anything wrong with that) lol

  • Maude

    Many rich straight older men have “Trophy” wives and girlfriends,
    Why not “Trophy” husbands, and or boyfriends for rich older gay men?
    Why Not?!!

    I’m not rich, but if I were, I’d have a whole stable full of ‘trophies’!
    You Betcha!!

  • oldbrit

    Good. David Geffen is an evil asshole.

  • Cam

    So he got the kid kicked off his college team, messed up his college, and then dumped him? Sorry but Geffen was too much of a chicken shit to come out until he was collecting Social Security, then he has no problem with swooping in, shaking up this kids life, and then leaving.

    I don’t really have any sympathy for the guy, when you behave like and date a child you cannot be surprised that they don'[t take disappointment like an adult.

    My guess is, that the restraining order was given more because Geffen had an expensive law firm demanding it and less because there was anything relevant going on.

  • scotshot

    @Doughosier: If you have 6 billion dollars you certainly aren’t the one doing the chasing.

  • scotshot

    @Cam: Geffen came out in the early eighties which was a pretty brave thing to do considering public sentiment at that time.

  • erasure25

    Oh please. That boy knows exactly what’s he doing. What he forgot was looks are fleeting and whats new today is old tomorrow. Better grab some jewelry today because tomorrow you’re out on your ass.

  • demented

    @Maude: Well, trophy wives are wrong too.

    • Stache99

      @am: It is amazing how everyone kept Geffen’s name out of it. I mean that’s a much bigger story then some jock getting kicked off the team for a kiss. It’s the elephant in the room story.

  • am

    @Stache99: It is indeed, which is sad, since it makes his a cliche of a rich perverted pig.

  • am

    @Stache99: makes him a cliche.

  • CoachS

    @Maude: Oh good… I’m not the only one that was confused by that picture.

  • Cam

    @scotshot: said… ” Geffen came out in the early eighties which was a pretty brave thing to do considering public sentiment at that time.”
    ____________________-

    No, Geffen didn’t come out until the 90’s, after he was worth a fortune.

    • scotshot

      @Cam:

      I looked further and both the 80s and 90s were listed as when he came out. I’ll go with 1992 as the Times reported.

      Geffen already had a fortune in 1970 when he founded Asylum Records, it’s grown exponentially in the decades since.

  • Austrian

    Sorry, but Geffen is a predator. If he was 69 and wooing 18yr olds with his cash then he is just a perv plain and simple. C’mon at least try and find someone in their 30s that will fuck you and still be able to hold a conversation.

  • Pete

    Geffen’s certainly no GILF. If the kid had the intestinal fortitude to go through with the act, he should be set-up for life by the old chicken-hawk!

    I hope Kuntz has a good lawyer.

  • Pete

    @Cam: didn’t Geffen have an affair with Joni Mitchell (Free Man In Paris)?

  • am

    @Pete: Wasn’t he also married to Keanu Reeves?

  • wade.l

    It’s the same old story…man gets older and in his last years decides he wants a much younger trophy lover. Some of us approve and some of us don’t. However this did remind me of an old Bette Midler (Sophie Tucker) joke. Ernie said to Sophie….”Sophie, when I turn 80 I am going to get myself and 18 year old girlfriend”….Sophie replied “Ernie, when I turn 80 I will get myself an 18 year old boyfriend, and believe me Ernie, 18 goes into 80 a hell of a lot better than 80 goes into 18”

  • MarionPaige

    Maybe Geffen is smart and doesn’t want to end up like Dumbass Carlos Castro. Carlos Castro wasn’t even a billionaire and he was parading young hot teen model Renato Seabra around NYC as his boyfriend.

    Of course, the downside is that Castro ended up being stumped to death and castrated, and having Seabra “wear” his (Castro’s) testicles on his (Renato’s) wrists as “talismans”.

    There is a compilation of surveillance videos of Dumbass Carlos Castro with Seabra during their visit to New YOrk which shows Castro confidently strutting around like it was perfectly common for a 65 year old Queen to be calling a 20 year old his “boyfriend” (and like Castro’s head didn’t have a date with Renato’s foot).

  • MdMke

    Now I get why creepy Geffen never came out. He’s not gay – he’s a freaking pederast.
    What a creep.
    They say the met when he was 18 ! HA! How much you wanna be it was more like 16?

  • scotshot

    @MdMke:

    Geffen came out as gay over 20 years ago.

    You clearly don’t know the definition what a pederast. Google it.

    Geffen was in a relationship with another man 4 years ago.

  • Maude

    @demented:

    Wrong? Why? If They are consenting adults, why is it anybody’s business?

  • jmmartin

    My mother, who had issues with my sexual orientation, nevertheless had some wise observations about human desire. Although she was not addressing lgbtq people but str8s, she told me, “There’s no fool like an old fool.” For all his wealth, Geffen is foolish. Money can’t buy you love (a Beatles witticism, not my Mom’s).

  • Matt

    Geffen is Creepy!

  • topshelf

    Gosh, I can’t imagine why the kid is so tormented over this. His life has just been a total whirlwind for the past two years. An exciting life, yes. But hopefully he had been planning ahead and building a life of his own, and not assuming that this lifestyle would last forever. I have to assume that Geffen woke up and realized that there are many men his own age that would be much more fulfilling as a partner.

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