Who might this memo be aimed at? Maybe Dennis Dugan, the director of “gay marriage is a punchline” I Now Pronounce You Chuck & Larry. Or David Wain, the normally gay-friendly director of “fag jokes are funny” Role Models? But certainly not Bruno‘s Sacha Baron Cohen, right? The Times movie critics A.O. Scott and Manohla Dargis write these faux open-letters to Tinseltown:
To: Straight filmmakers
From: M.D.
Enough with the gay slurs, the gay baiting, imitating, limp-wristing, so-not-funny lisping — in other words, enough with the hating. Yeah, some gay men are hilarious (Oscar Wilde). But people are funny, their identities are not. Try this simple test: Every time you feel the need to mock or denigrate gay men or lesbians, replace that joke with an equally vicious dig about African-Americans or Jews. Doesn’t sound so funny anymore, does it?
Alexander
Makes a good point, although, Oscar Wilde? Really? The countless gay entertainers today and he reaches all the way back to Wilde? I mean, he’s a great wit, but you could have easily said Neil Patrick Harris.
John Santos
But don’t you know that if we want to be trated as equal, we have to be ridiculed? We have to put up with anti-gay slurs; and we have to laugh when we’re presented as pedos; and we have to chuckle when we’re presented as limp wristed het chasers. Hollywood can’t laugh at nigers, hebes, chinks, or fat ugly women anymore, so we must now bare the brunt of their white, straight, male rage.
AlwaysGay
I agree with everything in the letter except the Oscar Wilde part. Oscar Wilde was a brave man.
J
“Oscar Wilde was a brave man.”
Amen.
Alec
Part of the brilliance of Dave Chappelle was his refusal to adopt the uber PC attitudes we’ve promoted on race (and gender and sexual orientation, to a lesser degree). Margaret Cho utilizes Asian stereotypes, as does Sarah Silverman with Jewish stereotypes.
Sometimes they cross the line, but the fact that they teeter on the edge is what makes audiences so receptive to them.
Jake
Oh boo hoo! Don’t be such a drama queen… I love being gay and I love most gay people, but far too many of us take ourselves far too seriously. Homos have been funny forever. We are much more than funny, but is it so bad that we are funny too?
Karloff
@Alexander: I think Wilde was more out than Harris, and funnier.
badlydrawnbear
I just watched role models this weekend and laughed my ass off. I don’t remember a lot of gay joke, mostly I remember how bitter and empty these two straight guys were and laughing at it the whole time.
Although I do remember several child molestation jokes.
The Gay Numbers
Alec
a) I wish people would retire the term PC. It is the term bigots use to justify saying what they want to say without being criticized for saying it. It’s completely meaningless. Call PC what is is: criticism. You say what you want. Others say what they want. That seems fair. If people don’t like the social pressure of being criticized, then perhaps they do not like the whole democracy thing, and should set up a system in which they are not criticized.
b) That being said, the difference between a Chappelle and Cho, and what we are discussing here is vast. In the case of the two commedians, they are mining our bias to make fun of them and us. The same with Cohen with movies like Borat. If you had read the piece, there’s nothing wrong with mining commedy from social mores. There is, however, something uncreative about pointing to gays, and saying, “Look he’s gay. Isn’t the fact he’s gay funny.” Or, the one I like is where they do not even do that much, they just has some straight guy, and he’s uncomfortable with a suggestion that there maybe some sort of attraction to men, “ewww.” That’s not particularly creative. Maybe you think so. Maybe you are boring. I don’t know. But the idea that this is PC (read criticism) because of the speech missing the point. It’s not about the speech. It’s about the lack of anything interesting being said.
Alec
@The Gay Numbers:
a) I think the term PC has some merit; maybe you don’t. This isn’t about becoming upset that someone is criticized for using an epithet, or criticisms of people for being disrespectful. If you want to see an example of what I’m talking about, visit http://www.jasmyncannick.com, or read “The Politics of Reality” by Marilyn Frye. Or better yet, the controversy that erupted over the New Yorker cover featuring Barack and Michelle Obama doing a fist jab last summer. Do you think the reactions to that cover were fair or overblown? I’d go with the latter.
b) That’s what they say they’re doing when the heat is turned up, but I’m not sure I really buy that excuse. Certainly that’s what Cohen was doing when he had an audience in AZ screeching “through the Jew down the well.” Is that what Cho is doing when she uses her mother’s accent? I’m not so certain.
No, I don’t find that stuff very funny. And I think that humor that relies on stereotypes is always risky. A lot of people blasted Chuck and Larry, but there’s an argument to be made that it was doing precisely what you state is acceptable: mining the prejudices of the audience. That it wasn’t well received is a bit besides the point; such ventures are inherently risky and only the best can pull them off.
And I’m not saying that it is always PC to criticize it (I think Borat can be criticized on some other grounds, but probably not that one). So I don’t really understand your point there.
fem in the city
@Alec: Sarah Silverman is pretty brilliant but I have to say it’s pretty exhausting listening to Margaret Cho bitch and moan about how racist this country this is. Let her go to Korea and bitch and moan about what a racist and woman hating country Korea is, because I’ve had my fill of her.
The Lesbian Mafia
Why don’t all of the high class and “smart” people of Hollywood make endless videos on Youtube about Prop 8 the way they did b4 the election? There was new video every week. We haven’t heard a single word from the gay loving arteests on Prop 8, DOMA or DADT.
Guess they’re too busy. Hollywood sure does love a good recession. They get busy making new shitty movies and new shitty CD’s for everyone to buy because that’s all people can afford to do during a recession is watch shitty teevee, listen to crap music and go the movies.
strumpetwindsock
@The Gay Numbers:
@Alec:
I think the term “P.C.” doesn’t have any functional meaning anymore. It’s like calling someone a “radical” or a “fascist”.
I know it’s used when you want to accuse someone of refusing to think outside of the box of conservative leftist dogma, but there are enough arguments in which each side tries to paint the other with that brush.
Once you have both sides calling each other P.C. it has ceased to have any meaning other than a putdown (and a lazy one at that).
Remember George Orwell’s maxim about never using a term that is in common usage unless it is absolutely necessary? “P.C.” is a perfect example – a lazy, nebulous substitute for actually thinking enough to put what you really mean into words.
strumpetwindsock
@strumpetwindsock:
Actually, “P.C.” was starting to get stale 25 years ago. Maybe this is a retro trend.
Cam
Hollywood ridicules EVERYBODY. Please don’t tell me that any movie by the Wayans brothers doesn’t make African American’s the punchline, half the movies out there make men out to be idiots, sluts, rapists, or baffoons. Women are portraryed as ball busters, whores, bimbos etc…. hollywood is pretty much an equal opportunity offender.
What this author is saying reminds me of when the movie “The Color Purple” came out. African American groups were protesting because not all the characters in the movie were “Nice”. They ignored the fact that it was a movie with an all minority cast, with a phenominal breakout performance by Whoopie Goldberg, the fact that a minorty cast movie made lots of money etc…
Asking to not be made fun of by hollywood is the same as asking to be ignored completely.
TANK
@The Lesbian Mafia:
Translation: hollywood=liberal excess and liberal=bad. Welcome to substance!
The term PC has been completely sapped of effectiveness. It is unsalvageable at this point, and is primarily used as an epithet to discredit all cases of perceived prejudice (some legitimate) by labeling the person making the charge overly sensitive, dense and unable to the comic nuance, thought gestappo, and/or humorless (whether that’s true or not is beside the point). It has been undermined and is irrelevant.
As to this, it’s a reflection of where hollywood’s at. If these movies have a market, they get made. Chuck and larry was a critical failure and unwatchable, but it made back its budget and then some. It wasn’t a huge success, though, which indicates a tipping point validating, say A.O. Scott’s (why does he have a job as a critic of anything?) open ended demand. But yeah, the vast majority of comedies depicting gays by mainstream hollywood have been uncreative and bigoted.
The Gay Numbers
Alec
a) I know who Jasmyn Cannick. I also know she has no power and is not very important. Whatever she writes is what she writes. I do not agree with it, but it’s her criticism of whatever she’s criticizing. Saying PC is actually designed to shut down discussions rather than encourage them. “Oh, you are being PC” means “Oh you are criticizing me.” It says “oh, I feel social pressure.” Tough.
I just find the term incredibly lazy. It requires no work to label something p.c. It requires work to explain one’s arguments, if there are any, for saying “ewww gays”is creative. Ultimately, the problem with it, however, is as the article describes- its boring. The article is not being P.C. so even your use of the term in context is wrong. There is nothing PC about saying something is boring.
b) I don’t really care what you buy. So, the rest of your statement becomes irrelevant. I am going to trust the creative person about their intent versus the audience member saying I don’t believe their intent.
And my point is you threw out PC in the middle of a discussion where the article was basically saying that Hollywood is boring. I mean- the list of things they find uninteresting out of Hollywood includes several things. One of my pet peeves is when people throw out rightwing terms to make them normal parts of our language without thinking about what it means. PC = don’t criticize me.
fem in the city
@Cam:
Gays and women are the only targets left that Hollywood trash is allowed to belittle in such a way. Women getting the worse end of the stick, as it is perfectly ok to call a woman a Bitch on national television in the middle of the day, as if it were any common word.
When Dave Chappelle and the Wayan’s brothers do it about their own it’s very different. Unless you are part of the community, sorry, it just doesn’t fly.
Let white people parody black people and see how quickly the NAACP, Jessie Jackson and Sharpton get up in your face.
The Gay Numbers
Cam:
The point of the article is not about ridicule, but about whether its interesting or not. I think many of you did not read the article, but instead mouthing off lazily from your idealogical baggage.
TANK
jasmyn cannick? LOL! Automatic fail. she’s worse than andrea dworkin…only she’s not insane, but rather dim…she’s glad prop h8 was passed, apparently and anyone who critcizes her is a racist.
strumpetwindsock
@Cam:
I agree with you about the ridicule, and about the overrreaction.
What would be really nice is to have gay characters who were simply portrayed as normal people. More often as not, gay characters are two-dimentional and defined by their sexuality – for comedic effect, local colour, or a “gay” plotline.
I’m not calling for a moratorium on satire (and the letter writer may just be making a rhetorical point as well). But it would be nice to see characters (would it be too much to ask for headliners) in mysteries, action movies, or science fiction who just happen to be gay with no big deal attached to it.
I know it happens on occasion – just not enough.
TANK
@The Gay Numbers:
Totally debatable, especially when you apply the “simple test” mentioned.
The Gay Numbers
Tank
What’s totally debatable? Real question because I do not know to wha tyou are referring.
strumpetwindsock
@fem in the city:
FYI, Margaret Cho was born in the United States, and I’m sure she’s one of your citizens.
Is there some reason why you think she should go to Korea? …because I’m not sure what you’re getting at.
TANK
That the point of the article is about lgbt ridicule; specifically, about how unacceptable homophobic attitudes underpinning these comedies are. Not that it’s just boring and uncreative (which it is), but that it’s actually wrong because it’s discriminatory.
The Gay Numbers
Stumpet
Fem maybe getting at the fact that Fem does not think of Cho as American because Cho is ethinically Korean. Fem may not intend to do that, but it is a common habit amongst white Americans. My friend (she’s Vietnamese ethinically speaking) visited the mid-West. She was in a small town. At one point after having this great conversation with this guy, he said her English was very good, and asked her what American family adopted her. True story.
mention
anything good, should offend somebody.
Cass
This headline is inflammatory and not at all what was meant by the either the Dargis piece or the write-up that you guys gave it. Unwad your panties, Hauslib.
strumpetwindsock
@The Gay Numbers:
Thanks.
Yeah, I know. I was just playing dumb because it would have nice to have her explain exactly what she meant and come right out and say she was being a racist.
The Gay Numbers
Tank:
I maybe projecting what I know from other things the writers have written in the past. I know that they have not had a problem with a movie like Borat, for example, off top my head. Therefore, I can not think the writer’s point was that she had a problem with discrimination. She may have added this additional point about discrimination, but since the list goes on to discuss a lot of other things, that seemed like it was not the main thrust. I saw the bigotry angle through- “Okay, guys we get it, you are straight, you don’t like dick, but relaly- your bias against gays is showing here because you are not even being creative.” It’s the kind of thing that is important here when the write references how a joke is or is not funny if you replaced it with black. Not that no jokes about blacks are not funny. But that it has to show creativity. The source of the humor is “we don’t like gays” That begins and ends the joke. The point is that if every joke about black people was the same, then it’s boring. Jus tlike in Borat when he talks bout Jews saying “will t hey term in to bugs in the middle of the night, and steal my money” is not just about Jews. There is a deeper joke going on. I think that’s what she was getting at. But I could be wrong.
TANK
I was just playing dumb
Soooo convincing!
The Gay Numbers
Strumpet
I do not assume they are racist. But I do think it comes from ignorance.
strumpetwindsock
@TANK:
I wasn’t actually intending to fool anyone… just trying to get her to explain her slur.
strumpetwindsock
@The Gay Numbers:
I can give her the benefit of the doubt and assume she thought Cho might be an immigrant, but the fact is most people would not have made that assumption about a white person.
Sorry… racist IMO. Before you make that kind of accusation you check your facts.
And the notion that because she is criticizing her country she should leave? Even if she were an immigrant would that mean she should STFU about it or go home? The U.S. is a country of immigrants.
Sorry for the tangent, and if you disagree with me fine, but that’s my take on it.
TANK
I don’t think it was intended as a slur, or that it really was a slur. I think he was complaining about how tired cho’s act is…yes, some routines are tired…with regard to cho complaining about the racism in the states. Further, as the argument went, if cho thinks it’s so bad in her native united states, that if she were to go somewhere else (like korea…the place of her ethnic heritage that a lot of her routine is based)…she’d have a lot more to complain about, making her complaints about the racism here seem petty and myopic…
I didn’t say it was a good argument…but I do think that was what was meant. ANd I don’t think it’s racist or a slur.
TANK
@The Gay Numbers:
Well, if you’re referring to the chasing of the jew in borat…hold on…yeah, okay–then I think that this reviewer wouldn’t have a problem with that because she interpreted that or may believe that it was to criticize antisemitism as primitive and idiotic. I don’t think this person views homophobia portrayed in movies in the same way, because it’s not meant to satirize homophobes as primitive and idiotic, but to elicit laughter by being homophobic…even if it’s a little critical of rabid homophobia while encouraging the subtler “ewww, gay!” kind.
strumpetwindsock
@TANK:
Following that logic I guess it’s gonna get pretty quiet in here soon.
If you don’t like the fundies, the overly-flamboyant or the Obama administration there’s actualy no reason to complain about it.
Let’s check everyone’s last names, charter a bunch of planes and send everyone off to where they came from 100 years ago or so… see how they like complaining over there.
TANK
@strumpetwindsock:
No. read carefully, because I’m only going to repeat this once… Have you ever had someone tell you that you don’t know what bad is when you complain about something you don’t like? Let’s say I was at my grandmother’s house when I was a kid, and I didn’t want to finish what she served (she used to feed me superhuman portions and expected me to eat it all). She’d say “in china, they don’t complain about having too much to eat because they’re starving. Now finish your [fourth] dessert.” to which I said, “then send them this, because I’m done!” What this person meant is that one has no right nor reason to complain because others have it so much worse… It’s not a good argument…but it’s not racist or a slur, either.
The Gay Numbers
Tank
I gave a quick example off top my head. That’s not the only one. I am not going to go back and forth with you on this. It’s baed on recollection of the writer. There are other examples, but I am not going to put work into convincing you of my position since you can easily find out more about what the writer has reviewed in the past. It’s interesting that people mention both Cho and Chappelle, and yet, in each case, they both use more than “oh look I am Asian or Black.” they talk about very specific circumstances. For example, Cho’s mother owning a porn shop is not exactly a stereotype one would expect of Asians. We can go on and on with this. I think I understand what the writers were getting at since they mentiond multiple other examples of a failure to be creative that are not based on being gay. Thus, in context, I am going to choose to understand what they mean rather than speculate deeper. Good luck.
strumpetwindsock
@TANK:
It’s still a lame way for people who support the status quo to tell critics they don’t belong here (especially if they DO belong here).
And I’m sure white people get told to go away to Korea all the time.
fem in the city
@strumpetwindsock: Who said that whiney Margaret Cho wasn’t born in the US? Did you? Because we certainly didn’t. She is Korean. Let he go there and complain how racist THEY are. Because some Americans are pretty tired of being called RAAAACIST! RAAAACIST! RAAAAAACIST!
fem in the city
@The Gay Numbers: LMAO!!!!!!!!! It’s so funny how you can see my race over the intranet.
HAHAHAHHAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!
Wow that’s really stupid.
#FAIL
John Santos
@Cam:
Hollywood ridicules EVERYBODY. Please don’t tell me that any movie by the Wayans brothers doesn’t make African American’s the punchline, half the movies out there make men out to be idiots, sluts, rapists, or baffoons. Women are portraryed as ball busters, whores, bimbos etc…. hollywood is pretty much an equal opportunity offender.
The difference, Cam, is the Wayans brothers are black men making fun of black men. Straight characters who are made out to be idiots, are played by straight actors; ball busting women are played by women.
Rarely are the gay characters, who are nothing but stereotypes, played by actors who are gay. Chuck And Larry was a completely straight production–straight writers, director, producers, and actors.
Do you see the difference, Cam. They are making fun of themselves and their own peer group. And then they make fun of us–a group they are not a part of.
fem in the city
@strumpetwindsock: What I am saying is, if you are going to come to this country have some appreciation for the fact that you got rich calling everyone here a RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACCCCCCISSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSTTTTTTT!
At least be fair and go to where your immigrant parents left to come and give you a better life and go and criticize them too.
Some Americans are pretty tired of being called RRRRRRRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACCCCCCCCCISSSSSSSSSSSSSSTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT!!!!!
John Santos
@fem in the city:
Exactly!
When Paul Rudd did his, “You know how I know you’re gay?” bullshit, that was coming from a het using gay panic to get laughs. The day I hear Paul Rudd saying, “You know how I know you’re a Jew/black/Asian?” I’ll let it slide.
Alexis
I understand why people would find “I Now Pronounce You Chuck and Larry” to be abominable, but “Role Models” is supposed to be politically incorrect. Did I like the usage of gay slurs? No, but Jane Lynch is so funny that I’m able to ignore this aspect. Let’s be honest, there are far more offensive films than this like “Braveheart” with the effeminate prince and the moment his lover is thrown off the tower, even though that never happened in real life.
AlwaysGay
I can’t stand Cho. She uses derogatory words for gay people and women but never for Koreans. She is obviously an endorser of patriarchy/ heterosexual male hegemony.
strumpetwindsock
@fem in the city:
Well I can see why you might get tired of it because I’m calling you a racist again right now.
You have no call to tell anyone to go anywhere. Even if she was a landed immigrant or a refugee it would be none of your damn business. But the fact is she is just as much an American as you are; who suddenly made you the one who decided what Americans do and do not want?
I don’t think you’d start telling some white guy named Jones to go back to Wales.
Cam
@fem in the city: you said
“No. 18 · fem in the city
@Cam:
Gays and women are the only targets left that Hollywood trash is allowed to belittle in such a way. Women getting the worse end of the stick, as it is perfectly ok to call a woman a Bitch on national television in the middle of the day, as if it were any common word.
When Dave Chappelle and the Wayan’s brothers do it about their own it’s very different. Unless you are part of the community, sorry, it just doesn’t fly.
Let white people parody black people and see how quickly the NAACP, Jessie Jackson and Sharpton get up in your face.”
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Your point would work…again, except for the fact that everybody comes off as a buffon in hollywood. Just look at some recent hits. forgetting Sara Marshall, Obsessed, right there you have two movies that make men out to be either clueless, or buffoonish idiots. you have women made out to be psycho stalkers or ball breakers. Do you really think that all Australians act like Croccodile dundee? Gay rights are moving foreward faster than they have in decades, due in no small part to the fact that people now aren’t hiding the fact that we exist. Better to be part of the problem in hollywood than never to be shown at all. As for Sharpton and Jackson…go as any African American’s if they think that those two have been good for the black community. I think you will get an earfull.
AlwaysGay
John Stantos is 100% right.
Cam
@The Gay Numbers: you said “No. 19 · The Gay Numbers
Cam:
The point of the article is not about ridicule, but about whether its interesting or not. I think many of you did not read the article, but instead mouthing off lazily from your idealogical baggage.”
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Actually you misread the article. Perhaps if you reread these parts of the letter “Enough with the gay slurs, the gay baiting, imitating, limp-wristing, so-not-funny lisping — in other words, enough with the hating.” or “Every time you feel the need to mock or denigrate gay men or lesbians, replace that joke with an equally vicious dig about African-Americans or Jews. Doesn’t sound so funny anymore, does it?”
Perhaps in your eagerness to dive into the discussion or in your eagerness to try to sound intelligent you didn’t take enough time to read the article yourself.
rick
i thought dennis dugan was gay. as for the chuck and larry movie, my bf is a firefighter and gay and he loved it.
rick
dave chappell is the funniest man on the planet.
TANK
@rick:
No, lisa lampanelli is the funniest man on the planet.
The Gay Numbers
Cam
The problem is that you and others are literalist, and I am not coming to these writers today or in the fog of an idealogical view point. I have seen them give great reviews to movies that are offensive to some, liberal or conservative. That’s now this is about. But because you are literalist, and, frankly, because of that reason, a waste of my time, you don’t get it. They aren’t saying “no offensive humor.” They are saying “no to things where the joke is to say the word gay.” The entire joke is “he’s gay.” I wonder about the life experience of some of you.
Fem In the City
@Cam: Your point would work only … it’s not equal positioning when they make the poor poor men you speak of, look like fools. Straight white men do not have a life long history of oppresson.
Fem In the City
@John Santos: Exactly! Until then all the straight-defenders can go paint themselves in blackface.
Fem In the City
@strumpetwindsock: RAAACISTTT!!!! RAAAAAAACCCCIIIIIISSSSSSSSSSSSSTTTTTT! RAAAAAACIIISSSST! Obots should know better. He cured racism, remember, ya RAAAAAAACISTTTTT!!!
Fem In the City
@AlwaysGay: Cho got rich calling herself “queer” when all she is, is another Het who married a dude and sleeps aroudn with women on the side.
FEM IN THE CITY
I am completely crazy
No one likes me
I can’t get laid
And I have no friends
PLEASE THINK IM SMART! PLEASE!!!!
strumpetwindsock
@FEM IN THE CITY:
Okay…. I don’t know who is pulling this shit (faking this person’s name) but it’s ignorant and fucked up.
The same thing got done to me a week or so (strangely enough, the fake registration was having a converation with TANK).
So I cannot say for sure who is doing it this time, but it is a dangerous breach of trust. I hope the owners of the site take the responsibility to deal with this and bust whomever is doing this.
TANK
@strumpetwindsock:
This is a total fucking lie. This old queen has been repeating this lie for almost two weeks now. I never pretended to be this..this ass to insult myself and then insult myself again. Christ. Get a fucking clue.
strumpetwindsock
ADMINISTRATORS:
Are you going to clear this ignorant shit up?
How are people supposed to have any sense of safety or security when shit like this is going on?
TANK
@strumpetwindsock:
LULZ!
strumpetwindsock
@TANK:
LULZ?
Sorry to ruin your fun, but I am not in the least upset.
Like I said, as far as I am concerned you are determined to act like an ignorant troll and there’s not much I can do about it.
Doing this once I can pass off as stupid idiocy, but at this point I think the administrators need to do something about this because impersonating other posters is way out of line.
strumpetwindsock
@TANK:
But you can do me a little favour by flagging my comment to admin (I can’t flag myself). That way I can be sure they will read it.
If you think I’m to blame I’m sure you won’t have a problem with that.
TANK
Yes, you’re very upset and crotchety, strumpet. It’s a riot, too. No, I won’t do you a “favour,” and flag your comment. You’re turning into quite the drama queen yourself. NExt you’ll be calling that hate speech like that FAS baby, closet loving lackey of yours, anderson cooper is my future husband. This is what happens when you confuse your identity for internetz comments…LULZ!
Alec
@The Gay Numbers: @strumpetwindsock:
Fine, if “uber PC” is lazy and ineffectual, how about humorless, overly sensitive reactionaries with an inarticulable, meandering sense of false consciousness?
I’ll use that from now on.
Jurassic-She-Male
Yeah, fuck you hollywood!
TANK
As for myself I don’t realy care about anything. I prefer to live my life in the dark of night in the parks …. I don’t care about being cast into the bowels of a society. Who cares? I have no self esttem, I’m overwheight and I’m actually pretty dumb in many ways. I deserve everything that happens to me. If they kick the shit out of me, whatever I deserve it and I think every other fag does too because we’re dirty.
Ok I gotta go pop the whiteheads off my ass now.
strumpetwindsock
either I have off from work this week or I’m on welfare sitting home all day reading queerty …. thanks Obama … I hope he’ll buy me gas and groceries next week ….
The Gay Numbers:
I’m up late, drunk on Obama rum. Tomorrow I’m going to have a love hangover …
I pull my pud to President Jimmy Obama Carter Winfrey Bush erry night … damn that tranny ME-chelle is so lucky that she gets to strap it on and slam that hunk of dreamy man-prez …. If there’s a cure I don’t want it!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=faS8mQbjYmQ
rick
@TANK: damn. she is funny. dirty but funny.
strumpetwindsock
@Alec:
I’m not saying that attitude doesn’t exist; it certainly does. Just do your homework and make some intelligent criticism instead of using lazy, overused catchphrases.
@strumpetwindsock:
And great, now someone has hacked my account… because I didn’t make this post.
Cam
@The Gay Numbers:: You said
“No. 55 · The Gay Numbers
Cam
The problem is that you and others are literalist, and I am not coming to these writers today or in the fog of an idealogical view point. I have seen them give great reviews to movies that are offensive to some, liberal or conservative. That’s now this is about. But because you are literalist, and, frankly, because of that reason, a waste of my time, you don’t get it. They aren’t saying “no offensive humor.” They are saying “no to things where the joke is to say the word gay.” The entire joke is “he’s gay.” I wonder about the life experience of some of you.
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that is the oldest pass off in the book. you can try to say “No, I’m not stupid…you just don’t understand me” all you want, but the fact of the matter is, you didn’t get the point of the article. Trying to pretend that the rest of the people in the world just don’t get satire and that explains your point is ridiculous and frankly a bit sad.
John from England(used to be just John but there are other John's)
@strumpetwindsock:
It’s administration doh! They are having fun with ya’ll…
strumpetwindsock
@John from England(used to be just John but there are other John’s):
It’s an ignorant and invasive grade school prank, in my opinion, and I don’t think anyone should treat it lightly.
I might be laughing, except that this place can be a fucking snake pit where people have no qualms about jumping on each others’ words and ideas.
I’ve had to defend myself several times by challenging people to quote me, not just spout lies. I’m kind of hooped if someone can actually post as me, don’t you think?
But I’ve written admin about it again. I’ll see what kind of response I get.